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Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Jane (13th Nov 2014 - 15:55:25) With regards to a recent thread regarding yellow lines around The Avenue please see below the notification from Hampshire County Council regarding the public notice. Any objections or comments need to be made by the 5th December. Please note this post is not on behalf of the parish council but as I'm a resident living very close to The Avenue and believe this to be of huge public interest. Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue (PDF)

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Editor (13th Nov 2014 - 16:03:22) Traffic Order Proposals - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue Road Area at Liphook Highways – Permanent Traffic Order Notices from Hampshire County Council in East Hampshire area. (A) The following items will be added to Schedule 2, no waiting at any time: Avenue Close (i) both sides – between its junction with The Avenue and a point 10 metres south thereof. (ii) west side – between a point 165.5 metres south of its junction with The Avenue and a point 20 metres south and west of that point. Avenue Close (spur) - both sides – between its junction with Avenue Close and a point 10 metres east thereof. The Avenue (i) both sides – between its junction with Longmoor Road and a point 15 metres north thereof. (ii) west side – between its junction with Yeomans Lane and a point 20 metres south thereof (iii) north-west side – between its junction with Yeomans Lane and its junction with Lark Rise, an approximate distance of 40 metres. (iv) north side – between its junction with Lark Rise and a point 18 metres east thereof. (v) north side – between a point 98 metres east of its junction with Lark Rise and a point 24 metres east of that point. (vi) south side – between a point 20 metres west of its junction with Avenue Close and a point 15 metres east of that point. (vii) south side – between a point 127 metres west of its junction with Avenue Close and a point 24 metres west of that point. (viii) both sides – between its junction with B3004 Headley Road and a point 18 metres south-west thereof. (ix) between its junction with Avenue Close and a point 13 metres east thereof. (x) between its junction with Avenue Close and a point 10 metres west thereof. B3004 Headley Road (i) west side – between its junction with The Avenue and a point 33 metres north thereof. (ii) east side – between a point 125 metres north of its junction with Tower Road and a point 43 metres north of that point. Lark Rise (i) both sides – between its junction with The Avenue and appoint 10 metres north thereof. (ii) east side – between a point 18 metres south of its junction with Lark Rise spur and a point 34 metres north of that point. Lark Rise spur - both sides – between its junction with Lark Rise and a point 10 metres east thereof. Longmoor Road Lay-by (i) north side – between its western junction with Longmoor Road and a point 17 metres east thereof. (ii) north side – between its eastern junction with Longmoor Road and a point 10 metres west thereof. (iii) south side – for its entire length, an approximate distance of 55 metres. Yeomans Lane - both sides – between its junction with The Avenue and a point 15 metres west thereof. (B) The addition of schedule 12a – no waiting Monday to Friday 8.00am – 9.30am and 2.30pm – 4.00pm (both days inclusive) to be imposed on the following lengths of road: Avenue Close (i) west side – between a point 10 metres south of its junction with The Avenue and a point 38 metres south of that point. (ii) east side – between a point 10 metres south of its junction with The Avenue and a point 11 metres north of its junction with Avenue Close spur, an approximate distance of 62 metres. (iii) east side – between a point 8.5 metres south of Avenue Close spur and a point 74 metres south of that point. Avenue Close spur - north and west side – between a point 10 metres east of its junction with Avenue Close and its northern point of termination, an approximate distance of 70 metres. The Avenue (i) north side – between a point 18 metres east of its junction with Lark Rise and a point 35 metres east of that point. (ii) north side – between a point 122 metres east of its junction with Lark Rise and a point 117 metres east of that point. (iii) north side – between a point 18 metres west of its junction with B3004 Headley Road and a point 93 metres west of that point. Lark Rise - east side – between a point 10 metres north of its junction with The Avenue and a point 36 metres north of that point. (C) The following item will be added to schedule 21 – No stopping on school entrance marking Monday to Friday 8.00am – 5.00pm Avenue Close - west side – between a point 48 metres south of its junction with The Avenue and a point 43.5 metres south of that point FURTHER DETAILS : A copy of this notice, the proposed order, a map showing the location and effect of the proposal, a statement of reasons and relevant extracts from the order to be varied may be viewed at http://www3.hants.gov.uk/publicnotices or inspected during the usual office hours at the following places: (i) Liphook Library, London Road (Opening hours : Mondays 2 – 5; Wednesdays and Saturdays 9.30 – 1; Fridays 9.30 – 1 and 2 - 7 (ii) District Council Offices, Penns Place, Petersfield (Opening hours Mondays to Fridays 9 – 5) (iii) Hampshire County Council Headquarters, The Castle, Winchester, SO23 8UJ (Opening hours : Mondays to Thursdays 8.30 – 5.15; Fridays 8.30 – 4.45) OBJECTIONS : All objections and other representations in respect of this proposal must be sent in writing to the undersigned quoting reference:- A930/MB by 5 December 2014. All objections must state the grounds on which they are made. Persons wishing to make objections or other representations are advised that in the order-making process, objections or other representations may become publicly available and therefore the names and addresses of those persons making objections or other representations may also be made publicly available. TITLE : The order, if made, will be known as “The Hampshire (Various Roads, East Hampshire) (Parking Places and Prohibition of Stopping, Waiting, Loading / Unloading and Clearway) Consolidation Order 2012 (Variation No. 8) Order 2015”. STUART JARVIS, Director of Economy, Transport and Environment, The Castle, Winchester, SO23 8UD, email: public.notices@hants.gov.uk Contact 0845 603 5633

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Phil (13th Nov 2014 - 19:12:43) Wow - this will really affect the residents!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - wow (14th Nov 2014 - 10:05:11) Reads as though there will be parking for what (?) 5 residents in the whole of the avenue, avenue close, lark rise, etc at any one time and certainly no school drop off's allowed!! The restrictions are for 'at all times' not even just covering the school run issues so will ban plenty from stopping outside their own homes I think. Of course when you go to the Hampshire County Council Website there is no map to show the location or the reasons AS STATED on the ONDER/PUBLIC NOTICE - Tut tut!!! I searched high and low for that map yesterday - with no success !

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Jane Ives (14th Nov 2014 - 11:26:05) There was a map posted by the editor on the old thread regarding this. The thread can be found by putting 'yellow lines' in the search box above, or I suspect our helpful editor will post it again. However, I don't know if this map is up to date or whether there are any changes but I'm sure it'll help. See thread 'yellow lines around Liphook Jnr School'. I would urge residents to send their views on this proposal to the address posted at the end of the document. That map (on Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school) is out of date.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Michelle (14th Nov 2014 - 11:35:14) I have found the map, its within this attachment. waiting restrictions map

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Anon (14th Nov 2014 - 12:25:16) I will be taking photos of residents parking and sending them to the Council . The blame is always on the parents ! You should see the parking down the Avenue towards the Longmoor Road junction , parking on the junction , on pavements etc (residents ). Well with these restrictions that will soon stop so I'm afraid to say they've brought this on themselves . We have to send our children to school and on time , it's the law! and who was the muppet on Monday blocking off the layby down the Avenue, with bins ?! You caused traffic gridlock & have no legal right to block a public layby . Makes me so angry . Liphook will be brought to its knees twice a day now , hundreds of parents with nowhere to drop off & pick up . Ludicrous to put this in place without providing alternative arrangements. Not everyone lives within walking distance. And double yellows in a layby ?! It'll hit the fan mark my words .

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - wow (14th Nov 2014 - 12:26:42) I contacted HCC about the missing map... "I’ve sorry you were unable to view the documents on line this morning, this has been due to a technical problem with out [our] web site. I have attached a copy of the documents which were supposed to be linked and I will amend the web page accordingly." looks like they may be live now.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - tony (14th Nov 2014 - 12:33:12) Maybe the residents of Avenue Close and the Avenue who have been getting so upset with parents for parking near the school to pick up their kids need to ask themselves, is the cure worse than the disease? All parking is disappearing all of the time! I've always maintained that parking is inadequate at going home time. Parents are rushing to collect their kids only to find that all of the bays have been taken half an hour before they come out! Those who don't work seem to turn up early just to blag a spot, leaving the working mums and dad to run the gauntlet of the irate residents, one or two of whom seem to sit in their lounges every afternoon, ready to run out shouting 'get off my bit of road!' The only effective solution would be to knock down a few trees to put a car park on part of the playing fields, but again, locals don't want to lose the trees either! But if done properly, the trees could be replanted elsewhere and the surface could be environmentally friendly so as to double up as a sports area during school hours. Apart from that, with the town growing rapidly and all the on road parking set to disappear, just can't see it working, except for the council who are set to make a killing in tickets, it's the hard working parents who'll pay as ever.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Editor (14th Nov 2014 - 14:02:14) I've created a Google Map to represent this proposal. Not fully accurate but gives an easier to see overview. www.google.com/maps/...

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Janet A (14th Nov 2014 - 14:20:15) I think the only long-term solution would be to relocate the schools.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Simon (14th Nov 2014 - 14:39:22) Thanks for the map Ed, very useful. This is all going to make Tunbridge Crescent a bag of laughs from 8am every day.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Keith (14th Nov 2014 - 15:43:47) Last time I looked, all children and parents (aside from those who are disabled) were equipped with these things called legs. Miraculously if you move first one and then the other you can achieve forward movement in a motion commonly known as walking (or running if you are athletic enough). So if you can't park right next to the school, you park a little further away and walk. Oh and if it's raining, either get wet or invest in an umbrella. Yes I know some of you will say 'but I drop off/pick up my child on the way to/from work' - well done, you will just need to get you and your offspring up a few minutes earlier. No wonder obesity in children (and adults) is such a problem when parents demonstrate such an adversity to walking. When I was a child (some 40+ years ago), I had to walk over a mile to school and over a mile home again, and although sometimes, yes I'll admit, in bad weather it was uncomfortable, I don't recall it actually doing me any harm.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - grant (14th Nov 2014 - 15:46:55) The parking restrictions look perfectly reasonable to me, although double yellows at the Tower Road junction would be sensible? I live in The Avenue, but only occasionally a wanna be Haslemere House Wife (wives) obstructs my drive.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - S (14th Nov 2014 - 16:20:55) Some of us do have to drop our kids off to school on the way to work, it's a fact of life that not all of us can afford to be at home all day. I do park a little way out but what will happen now is that those that can't park close will also park further out! I also have the added hassle that I work from 9-3, so have very little time after dropping off and at the end of the day to actually find parking and so will probably have to cut short my working day and earn less! But hey, that's my problem! The most frustrating thing in all this, is that it is a minority of bad parkers who are spoiling it for everyone else. I am also concerned about how these restrictions will be policed? Are we now going to have to pay for a traffic warden to enforce the no parking, otherwise I can't see a few yellow lines solving anything!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - resident (14th Nov 2014 - 19:06:47) Just thought I would mention that just as the drivers dont want to be tarred with the same brush, nor do we residents! I am a resident of Avenue Close and have already written a very strong letter opposing these plans. I was aware when I bought my house that there would be times when traffic would be busy, and I accept that. I might add that I have never had my driveway blocked by any bad parking, although I am not saying that it never happens to other residents. I do not wish this little cul-de-sac to be given a yellow line make-over more suited to a busy highway, especially when, apart from two short periods of the day (term time only) it is an extremely peaceful residential Close. Furthermore I would like my visitors to be able to park outside my house and not a few streets away!. I have also mentioned in my letter of objection that I actually have sympathy for driving parents (at least for the ones who have to drive, rather than the lazy ones!!) and cannot see how this proposal will do anything more than simply move the problem into different streets.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Parent (14th Nov 2014 - 19:10:51) @Keith LOL! Now let's face facts. Driving is not exactly a pleasure these days, most folk who could walk to their destination would or already are doing so. Thus most sensible people driving to a school do so because there isn't another choice - for them. For instance, my wife is actually partially disabled, would you like to see her walk to the school? She'd love to be able. Hence your point is laughable and should be treated with derision. I'll wager you are an armchair commentator on this one.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Parent (14th Nov 2014 - 19:13:49) @Redient - you are indeed the voice of reason, and I suspect many parents agree with you that this is about consideration between all parties. Well said.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Keith (14th Nov 2014 - 20:05:10) @Parent While my post was a little tongue in cheek my main point wasn't. Of course in cases like your wife's she should be able to park near the school (and this of course would be easier if others were prevented from doing so) But my general point was 100% serious. I don't accept your premise that those who could walk do, the reality is that a good number of those who could walk don't. And for those who have to drive, I didn't say they couldn't - just they would need to park a little further away. Of course we could be more radical and say if teachers and staff were prevented from parking in car park it would create parking for those who really need it like your wife. As for being an armchair critic, well yes I guess that is true since I currently have no children attending the school in question, but contra to that, I don't drive and get everywhere I need to either on foot or by public transport (and I walk with a stick due to a partial disability) so I am aware that what I advocate is most definitely achievable.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Harry (14th Nov 2014 - 20:13:47) Can't believe what is about to happen in a country village, feels like we are living in the centre of London. These restrictions are the most ridiculous ideal I have heard. Does someone from the council live close to the school, Mmm-I suspect so as proposals of this nature take a long time to be imposed, this seems to be happening too quickly and not a normal council speed. Lets be honest here the traffic lasts for about 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening, has everyone got so impatient that they can't afford 1 hour delay a day to help get the children to school safely and on time. I am by the way a resident of Lark Rise.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Kay (14th Nov 2014 - 20:19:47) I wondered if anyone else has considered turning the grassed area alongside The Avenue into the pathway and the current pathway into a lay-by as one possible solution? This would allow the Avenue to stay free for two way traffic which in turn would free up the Headly road. Applying restrictions and yellow lines without first giving a solution for the parking issues that occur during school drop off/pick up is madness.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - George (14th Nov 2014 - 20:26:17) I am a parent also, and agree that sometimes, there are some inconsiderate drivers, that seem to be ignorant to the fact they park, in places that are not acceptable! I live in Bramshott, and although i would like to walk, i have small children, where the distance, is just too far for their little legs. I know of a 2 houses in Avenue close, that park their own cars in the parking spaces, that are provided for the school......If they choose to have a 2 or 3 car household, and park in the spaces provided for school, then i cannot see why they have the objection, to parents parking inconsiderately, because at least 3 to 4 spaces, are taken up by the residents.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - The Joy (14th Nov 2014 - 21:29:59) Cannot wait until everyone starts filling up Tunbridge Cresant & Tower Road, it's just going to shift the problem onto someone else's road. Frankly the parking is already getting silly trying to pull out onto the Headley Road from Tunbridge Cresant in the morning. Bravo.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - YvetteB (15th Nov 2014 - 03:43:39) The Catholic Church offers parking for Infants and junior schools and there is normally a lot of space. Use that why don't you?

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Sharron (15th Nov 2014 - 08:52:22) Just to advise that the Catholic Church parking is permit only and paid for annually because there is a limited amount of parking there. It won't be able to cope with everyone using it when the yellow lines are implemented.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Nic (15th Nov 2014 - 10:13:50) Perhaps a solution would be a drop and go system with staff or parent volunteers on duty moving people along or collecting kids from the cars and taking them inside.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Nanny (15th Nov 2014 - 11:45:23) At my grandson's school the parents adopted a voluntary one way system where they drove round to the school gate and dropped the children off then carried to exit at the other end of the road. It kept the traffic moving and allowed the children to be delivered safely. At collection time a similar process was followed. Admittedly some parents did park to drop off the younger children but as far as I recall did not cause any obstruction of the residents' driveways.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - S- (15th Nov 2014 - 17:13:11) I do keep wondering why the Governing Body of the school do not appear to be seeking a solution to this since it obviously affects a large number of the pupils and their families?

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Julie (16th Nov 2014 - 15:57:12) Some people do make me chuckle. The Infant and Junior schools have been there at least 40 years and school run traffic has always been happening there and is obviously getting moreso with multi car families so why on earth do people buy a house feet from a school then complain about the traffic!!!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Sharon (17th Nov 2014 - 21:00:18) All I can see are double yellows in areas where people aren't supposed to park anyway, according to the Highway Code ie within 15m of a junction. The little bit at the bend of the Avenue is good, because there is often a bottle neck there where people can't see oncoming traffic and come face to face with another car. Are the single yellows on both sides, or just one side? That makes perfect sense, if people are still parking on the opposite side - unless I have misunderstood that bit. Perhaps it will be parents of infant aged children that will be most affected - as they do have to walk into school to drop off and collect. Junior school children can be dropped at the gate at 8.45, as the playground is supervised from then. Pick up will be trickier though, that will need some thought. Maybe we need some crossing patrols in place to assist children crossing the road safely, so that they can walk to a pre-agreed meeting place. I think it will solve a lot of problems, but I don't think it will be as bad as everyone fears.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - grant (18th Nov 2014 - 09:29:23) Julie, You're missing the point, its not the traffic that's the problem! It's people occasionally blocking your drive access and parking next to junction's! that's the problem. People live near schools so they can walk their children to school, don't you think?

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - oldie (19th Nov 2014 - 00:57:40) All my kids went through Liphook infants/ junior and then onto Bohunt. We live about 4 miles from junior school, so delivering by car was essential. Picking up the same. What could we have done to not fall foul of the regulations as planned? And will the new regulations criminalise those conscientious parents who are in the same boat. Only asking!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - g r (19th Nov 2014 - 08:05:27) you may not like what i say but its a free country but some might make sense - there is an area on school land where they could build a car park to ease the congestion which is covered by brambles and birch trees When I attended the school 30+ years ago it was only locals that went now kids go from all around there so going to be more cars maybe a park and ride scheme or how about in building programme for liphook this is considered?? to sensible and less money for developer than houses the village is growing ( not always for the best) but we have to make the best of it. there was a compulsory purchase order made for bohunt land maybe they should do the same for other schools to make a car park how many cars each day bring in children 1 at a time car share? car park size required? the local council needs to make a stand , hampshire council need to sort this getting through the village in the morning is a joke, we get blocked in our drive by school buses! why not park in church centre and walk to school 10 mins have one if those walking buses?? bit more exercise for the kids - sorry but all parents need to think outside the box to sort this out ( can't take sides) everybody is rush rush rush me me me just step back take a look around and look at the congestion and chaos just think about the villagers who are affected not that you're late for work or your starbucks is getting cold or you're still doing your make up or having a shave while taking your kids to school!!' sounds familiar we all have a part to play in sorting this out and slanging matches online will not sort it there must be some give and take maybe making avenue one way? drop off point then walk to school? car share? park and ride? no one answer will be right for everyone just need to find middle ground

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Phil (20th Nov 2014 - 22:57:00) Ever done a school run in London? Yellow lines everywhere, and completely ignored as parents drop off - shouldn't take long in Liphook for the same thing to happen.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Jj (20th Nov 2014 - 23:53:16) Hi Phil, I am sure you have come across the mad parents that drop off their children with no awareness that other people drive! They have to drop them off through hell or high water!! And don't get me started on the women in the big massive trucks ploughing over anyone or thing just to get to highfield or brookham schools! Bloody scary!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Keith (21st Nov 2014 - 08:56:20) Well given that EHDC now collect and retain parking fines for street parking violations in this area, no doubt they will have one of their team on permanent station near the school and the fines will all help towards Ferris Cowper's goal of making EHDC the first council in the country not to depend on government grants - where there's a will there's a way - or should that be "We are all in it together"

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - tony (21st Nov 2014 - 20:50:48) Presumably the same people who are moaning at parents for driving their kids to school are being delayed getting their cars out in order to drive somewhere! So it's wrong to drop your kids at school and then drive to work, but it's OK to buy a house opposite a school and complain that it takes a bit longer to get your car out to drive. Is that the definition of hypocrisy? Although most of those complaining are retired anyway! Truth is, the schools are only chocker for about 20 minutes in the morning and another 20 in the afternoon, term time. Chances are you will have left for work before then and get back long after, unless your job is close enough to walk to of course....? As for the council, it's all about money, but they've not come up with any alternatives! That's just lazy and greedy. According to the government's own website they have a duty to consult and consider the implications before imposing restrictions and we have the right to appeal their decision. www.gov.uk/government/news/..... That would be interesting. If they get overzealous with enforcement, maybe anyone getting a ticket should get together and appeal the lot!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - another resident (22nd Nov 2014 - 09:36:31) When the proposals for the yellow lines dropped through the door I was not happy that all parking would be banned in the area. As usual it is a minority who mess things up for everyone. This thread has a lot of statements by people who are partially aware of what goes on and then spout off. Mornings are not as bad as the afternoons. It is rather chaotic in the morning but parents can drop and go. The real chaos occurs in the evenings. People are wrong when they say it is only bad for 20 mins in the afternoon. People start parking up from about 2:30. The pavements are parked on from that time, even if there are spaces opposite. It is not the parking on the pavement per se which is the problem, it is the parking which blocks the pavement which makes it impossible to walk up it which is. I work part time, so not out before the chaos and back after it, and often have to walk down the close between 2:30 and 3:30. I have to walk in the road, I should not have to do this. Those driving get irate at me for doing so, but there is no option. Luckily I am not disabled, need to push a pushchair, or hold a child's hand. Luckily we have not had anyone block our drive for a while, although it has happened. The other problem is the lack of thought when it is congested. I have had to drive in when people are leaving (unfortunate timing I know, but occasionally happens!) I come round the corner into the close and I am met by a parked car. Not a problem as such, but those coming up just keep pushing forward and don't leave a gap for cars to get down. So cars are backing up behind the ones trying to get into the close and effectively no one can move until someone does something. Oddly waiting for a few seconds would make the whole thing work more smoothly. This whole sorry mess could have been avoided by a little thought. I do feel sorry for those who have to drive and drop off (saying people are lazy and should walk is not really helpful) as there is insufficient room.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Andrew (22nd Nov 2014 - 10:03:05) The field opposite the Longmoor Road lay-by would make an ideal car park serving all three schools. Put a crossing on the Longmoor Road with two entrances and exits either side of the crossing which would reduce traffic over the crossing and a path at the rear into Bohunt.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Nick Hancock (23rd Nov 2014 - 12:33:25) I live in the Longmoor Road layby (and have also grappled with these issues in a past life as a governor of the Junior school). I was pretty surprised to read about them for the first time in the Herald - aren't affected residents supposed to be notified? Actually, since hard standing was created on the opposite side of Longmoor Road, the parking issue has not been too bad. Most parents are considerate and we have issues only with the occasional idiot who blocks our driveway. The other problem is parents waiting in the middle of the layby (not parked). That's already an offence I don't see the proposal making much difference to it. What concerns me is the use that is made of the layby by residents and their visitors, who can't always park on their own properties, and also Andy House's business. Even outside school hours, the layby is often full of cars. What is being proposed seems to be a permanent all-day restriction. The result will be that the parking which happens now will be concentrated in the small area not covered by the new restriction. Competition for those spaces will be aggressive and frustrating. And there will be more parking on those parts of Longmoor Road which are much less suitable, where people avoid parking at the moment. If a restriction is needed, it should be limited to school pick up and drop off times. That would address the issue that everyone is talking about. I'll be objecting to the proposal, even though I'm one of the residents that it's supposed to be helping. Incidentally, the proposed order refers to adding these areas to Schedule II of the parking order. The proposed order says that it will prohibit waiting at any time. But Sch II lists areas where waiting is prohibited only at limited times - it's Sch I which prohibits waiting at any time. So the draft order is wrong.

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Rob (23rd Nov 2014 - 18:31:59) Should Andy's House be using the hardstanding and the layby for the overflow of its vehicle repair business? Why doesn't it sublet its forecourt to some other business as it tends to use the lay by and hard standing every day? Shouldn't they be charged extra rates for using these facilities? If not why don't those parents looking for a parking space just park on their forecourt? Just a thought!

Re: Traffic Order Proposal - Waiting Restrictions in The Avenue - Nick Hancock (23rd Nov 2014 - 19:24:29) Because it's a public road and there are no parking restrictions (and as a friendly neighbour I have no problem with it). Whereas parents parking on the private forecourt would be trespassing.

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