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Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - tru (18th Jun 2014 - 22:29:18) I'm wondering if anyone can confirm if the rumours I've heard about yellow road lines being put on Avenue Close and surrounding roads by next September are true.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Donna (19th Jun 2014 - 07:25:15) Ohhhhhh I do hope so!! But doubt very much they will be enforced by parking wardens!! Having lived on avenue for many years, it's a daily battle to get in and out of my drive!! It's madness down there......... I'm all for the yellow lines!!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Jo (19th Jun 2014 - 07:42:16) Donna - If there are to be double yellow lines in The Avenue and Avenue Close residents will have no where for their visitors to park!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - concerned (19th Jun 2014 - 11:15:32) Yes, there are plans for yellow lines, all the local residents have had a plan. Double yellow around the Headley Rd corner and beyond the first house, then a single (with no parking etc between 8am and 9.30am and 3pm and 4.30pm) Single yellow on the other side right along the Avenue. Double yellow lines outside every house entrance instead of the white lines at present so even if you live there you cannot park outside your drive. Avenue Close, double yellows on the houses side and a single yellow on the non houses side. Should be interesting. On a previous blog re this, one person said that it would not affect her as she had a disabled badge!! so she could park where she liked.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - nic (19th Jun 2014 - 12:57:16) A blue badge holder is entitled to park on double yellow lines as long as it does not obstruct a junction, roundabout, emergency services access etc. If it's to park up to drop the children at school without the blue badge holder exiting the vehicle then again you would be misusing your badge. With regards to residents access, even if there is a dropped kerb outside the property without double yellow lines or a white h bar marking then anyone can park there as long as it doesn't obstruct the residents access to the highway. So if your drive is blocked upon return to your property then there's no legal right to access your drive. I only know this because access to my drive is continuously made difficult by neighbours parking outside my drive and I sought advice from authorities. I find it hard to understand why residents appear to disapprove of blue badge holders parking near to the school, quite legally ! Some parents attend school events and I for one have not attended a few of these because of the parking issue. Hopefully when these yellow lines are painted then there won't be an issue. You should try pushing yourself along in a wheelchair !

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Donna (19th Jun 2014 - 12:58:55) Surely, your visitors can park in the parking bays, they are not exclusively for the school use only??

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Sarah (19th Jun 2014 - 13:34:00) Hi Please can you just clarify where the lines will be along The Avenue. As someone who walks to school in the morning, I think that double yellow lines along the Headley Road end and Avenue Close is a great idea, since it is dangerous taking children to school and crossing between the badly parked cars. I do, however, very occasionally park on The Avenue in the afternoon generally down near the playing field end or in the non-marked areas between driveways on the playing field side. Will there be single lines along here? If so, I am curious as to where authorities think all the parents who need to park (hurtling to school from work etc) will park? What impact will there be on other roads. I'm not trying to stir up a debate, but this is a local school and there should be the ability to park near it if necessary (as long as people park considerately for residents).

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Donna (19th Jun 2014 - 13:54:03) Without this turning into a slanging match of he said she said, my family have lived in the avenue long before the school, In fact it was my grandmother and another resident, who gave up their land for the purpose of the school, along with some other houses and the road being built. With due respect, a lowered kerb does mean that I will need access to and from my property and common courtesy says not to block it. Some days are worse than others and some parents possibly need to address their parking/driving skills, but rest assured should I need to get out of my driveway in an emergency, for example an elderly relative is in need, I will have No hesitation in moving the car!!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Nic (19th Jun 2014 - 15:50:30) A lowered kerb without double yellow lines means in the eyes of the law, not to obstruct a residents exit onto the highway only. If there is no vehicle on that driveway anyone *can* park there. You would think common sense would prevail. Just because I have stated these facts doesn't mean I agree with them. I have issues with access to my driveway and there's nothing more infuriating than inconsiderate parking but little you can do about it. I hope these yellow lines resolve the parking issues for the residents but something does need to be done about the school parking. At the end of the day our children are required to attend school by law and it does seem that parents are looked upon as the bad party. Residents at the end of the Avenue (Longmoor road) would do everyone a favour if they didn't park on the immediate exit to Longmoor road. Very dangerous and have witnessed a few near misses.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - J (19th Jun 2014 - 16:12:46) I certainly agree that something needs to be done about the school parking and general access. Unfortunately the school parking provided is inadequate. Lots of cars twice a day all fighting for parking and maneuvering in limited spaces. It's recipe for disaster (and the odd parental scrap). Avenue Close presents additional issues as a cul-de-sac. I could agree that parking should be restricted, however traffic needs to be kept flowing. Could this be achieved by allowing traffic to drive in through the main school gate to a drop-off area (staff car park) and then exit by the second gate? Basically a roundabout-type system. Alternatively could the school put in a drive-through system at the bottom of the playing fields, currently rough ground? It just needs further thought before slapping down some yellow lines.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Editor (19th Jun 2014 - 17:30:43) The following link is to the Hampshire County Council drawing for the positioning of the yellow lines. Dwg TTE0531 001 Rev P1.pdf

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Nicola (19th Jun 2014 - 18:42:08) Provisions for designated school drop off pick up points should be in place before yellow lining . Where should parents drop their kids off ? This is not a solution at all. Haslemere?!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - tru (19th Jun 2014 - 19:56:30) Thank you for the confirmation. Unfortunately I feel who ever came up with this plan has not considered what this is going to do to the surrounding roads and traffic through the village. This is a bad accident waiting to happen. All this is doing is pushing the current problem further out into Tower Road, Tunbridge Crescent places like Bohunt school the Co-Op car park.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - c (19th Jun 2014 - 21:28:51) i am glad something is finally being done, thank you for the link to see where lines will be, tho i am unsure how much of a solution this will be as parents regularly already flout the rules/laws mounting kerbs and parking on junctions etc sometimes with no regards to people (inc children) on the pavement. Will these new restrictions be enforced?? i agree that no thought seems to have been given to where these cars will go, as some parents are unable to walk and yes they can park and stride but how will the surrounding and often over flowing roads cope?? i can see the rest of liphook becoming even more of a nightmare during the school run times. i wonder if the crossing guards will ever become a reality to at least help in the safety of our children, if everyone is going to be expected to park and stride.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Sharon (19th Jun 2014 - 22:57:52) This is interesting. I am one of those mums that has to drive, due to lack of footpaths and public transport. I do think that the plans have some merit. The bottleneck along the Headley Road end will be clear, so cars can drive in and drop, and out again. There would need to be a reception point for infant age children, so they are dropped into the care of someone, so the driver doesn\'t need to park up. The afternoon would be a different matter though. Junior children can be dropped from 8.45, so no need to park. The restrictions on the junctions need to be enforced - there are already rules in the Highway Code that people ignore, which I find bizarre, but perhaps a visual aid might help! I can work with this plan - just need to sort out where to park in the afternoon! I expect the people that turn up at 2.30 to park near the school will fill up what spaces there are, despite having the most time to park and stride! Ho-hum. I thought perhaps the rec car park.......

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Nicola (20th Jun 2014 - 13:03:32) Where are the school coaches going to park ? As the layby on Longmoor road is earmarked for double yellow lines, coaches won't be able to park there either .

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - em (20th Jun 2014 - 19:50:36) bring it on! i have to drive thru the avenue to get to work during school drop off time, the mad mum's are a nightmare, flinging doors open, parking on the corners, they have no consideration for others, and stare with rudenes at someone without a child trying to get thru their horrendous driving / parking scene. hurry up august and yellow lines!!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Sharon (20th Jun 2014 - 21:45:38) Perhaps some of the local residents could benefit even more - you could rent out your driveways! I'm sure a guaranteed spot is worth something to some people!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - jeffnaluk (21st Jun 2014 - 13:50:10) I live in Avenue Close and could have a space available for a school-parking parent for two days a week, this would be free for any parent who has particularly difficult childcare/journey/work problems. I offer this in a spirit of friendship between local residents and harassed parents at an important time in their childrens' lives.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Peter (21st Jun 2014 - 16:57:15) Double Yellow Lines are long overdue ,so that traffic can flow both ways without being blocked,this should have been done years ago! However you can not do this without making a car park at the Infant/Junior school that can accommodate all the parents cars that currently park on the Roadside .Using some of the playing field and wast ground,(currently unused!)as a car Park,where Parents can Buy an annual Parking badge for use during School Pick up and drop off times would be the answer.The School would benefit from using the fee to go towards School fund raising projects.Also the School could use a clamping company to remove vehicles that do not display their right to Park there and are there for subject to clamping(the School could also use these funds for School fundraising.Making life easier for parents,pedestrians,motorists and local residents would all be satisfied with this solution.Just an idea! half measures suggested will only make things harder.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Nicola (21st Jun 2014 - 20:58:03) Only courts , dvla/vospa and the police have the power to clamp now. Parking provisions should have been made before slapping down yellow lines around the entire circumference of both schools. Where are 700 parents supposed to drop their children off ? It'll hit the fan in September & there will be a lot of children late to school, not to mention traffic gridlock for everyone else including residents.. In the interim it would be feasible,in my opinion, to stagger start & finishing times. We are currently not allowed to drop our children into school early unless attending breakfast club. Maybe the lunch time dinner ladies could do playground duty from 8.15 , an extra 5 hours a week pay or how about a walking bus from the satellite car parks. The layby on Longmoor road was a perfect drop off point but that's going to be yellow lined which renders the new pick up point across the road useless & a waste of time. As the roads are going to be now free of parked cars , a reduction in speed limit should have gone hand in hand , free flowing fast traffic and school children trying to cross roads aren't going to mix without Another pedestrian crossing for a start. I'm sorry but the health and safety of our kids should come first here.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Miranda (22nd Jun 2014 - 14:06:05) What is the point of double yellow lines in the layby on Longmoor Road? I live there, and yes it does get clogged up at school times, but everyone seems to be considerate and the layby is off the highway. It's madness!! It's a fact of life that children need to be dropped off and picked up for all sorts of reasons.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - irene (22nd Jun 2014 - 20:17:49) I for one welcome yellow lines on sports day it was impossible to enter my drive and this was not the 1st time it has been blocked and no doubt will not be the last. it is so difficult to get in and out and I always have to plan trips and allow plenty of time because not only getting out of my drive is a problem but then trying to get onto the avenue and avoiding parked cars and mums and dads who just step of the pavement mainly because of cars parked on pavements, rear ends of cars sticking out so I say yellow lines are the best answer.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - nicola (23rd Jun 2014 - 08:06:11) The yellow lines in the layby along Longmoor Road are just going to push the numerous vehicles that currently park there belonging to Andy House garage , onto the drop off point opposite so there goes that space. Visitors of the residents won't be able to park in the layby anymore so that's well thought out . The yellow lines may stop a few thoughtless parents from blocking driveway access but once you have safely navigated out of your drive you will them be sat in traffic gridlock around Liphook at school times. Sports day is once a year . I think it is not unreasonable to have to forward plan your day once a year , there has to be give and take here . If you are prevented from accessing the highway from your drive then ring the appropriate authorities to remove the offending vehicle .

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Sarah (23rd Jun 2014 - 08:19:28) I am slightly confused as to why people who buy a house near 2 large adjacent schools are then surprised by the traffic/people that accompany those schools. If I bought near the schools I would expect disruption, just as I would expect lorry deliveries and traffic if I bought near a busy shop. I am also surprised by the non-school drivers who think the double yellow lines are a good idea so that they can rat-run more speedily down a road adjacent to two large schools (see earlier comment). These are two pleasant schools at the heart of the community. Parents (not ogres, just parents) have to get their children to school and on any given day there will be a proportion who have to drive to school at drop-off and pick-up. They aren't monsters for doing so.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - irene (23rd Jun 2014 - 20:11:21) although I live on headley road the entrance to my home is in avenue close when my mother in law 1st purchased her house there was no schools there I inherited the house and all the problems of getting in and out of my drive

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - A (27th Jun 2014 - 12:27:59) I agree its a great idea, longmoor road is very dangerous on the corner when coming up from griggs green direction you have to go on the wrong side, hows that safe !!! people should learn to park with more respect and common sense not on corners or blocking peoples drives, bet they were never taught to drive or park that way in the driving test!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - p (22nd Jul 2014 - 16:22:26) I guess lots off parents be late to pick up kids so teachers have to wait a bit longer as people work and leave in good time to get to school. if they have to find somewhere to park long way from school may not get to school for 3.15. Also the school needs to make sure all doors are open on time so parents can drop off kids and get to work on time as sometimes doors not open on time so parents are late for work or miss trains.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - w (22nd Jul 2014 - 17:42:59) Residents I bet when you was little your parents used to drive you to school and what if you did not have driveways and highways put in yellow line you be up in arms about it also. The council should stop building more homes in area has it cannot cop with it. school or council need to come up with better parking so parents can drop kids off safely as most parents need to drop and pick up kids quickly and get to work without having to walk 2 miles or more back to home. And go to work. As most mums and dads work part time if you have to walk to school it not worth working so maybe best go on doll and town will go down hill.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - local parent (22nd Jul 2014 - 21:39:07) I love this debate every time it raises it's head. If you buy your home near a school then it's reasonable to expect high volumes of traffic at school start and finish times along with parents and children. Why are you all so vitriolic and spiteful? Parents need to work too. so consequently need to drive. Parents who park illegally and dangerously should be penalised as I find cars parked on the pavement especially by the playing field exit on The Avenue very selfish but above all else dangerous for the children. In all the years I have been dropping off and collecting at the school I have never seen anyone parked across a driveway. If you find it such a concern then either park your car there yourself, sell your house to a parent who would like to live near the school or just get some community spirit and put up with it for a few minutes a day, If an outsider was reading the Talkback entries they would surely think what a selfish. narrow minded. spiteful community Liphook must be!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Anon parent (22nd Jul 2014 - 21:57:49) This evening we collected our child from School after a school trip. We parked in the parking spaces in Avenue Close, waiting for the coach to return. One resident shook their head at us for parking there (!?!) , and on the way out of the Close, another resident who was obviously exempt from adhering to the Highway Code , nearly hit us head on as he manoeuverd round 2 parked cars parked on HIS side of the road to get past., then muttered how he lives there. Frankly I'm sick of it. We are not criminals ! Still not to worry , Liphook will be complete gridlock come September !

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Resident of avenue Close (22nd Jul 2014 - 22:01:30) Nothing like a good old slanging match and I find the last comment will re ignite the debate Many years ago before the school was built, all that land was used for orchards and pigs that were to be sold at the co-op on Headly Road. There was a need for a school and together with another gentleman In the very end bungalow and my grandparents, the land was sold and between them the road was built, during this time the school and houses were built, now which came first they can't be sure, but it was around the same time. Feel free to come and view the plans and deeds if you wish!, You are always going to get the parent Vs resident debate, but please come and park in my drive and watch between 2pm-4pm, the madness down there beggars belief!! I'm all for the yellow lines, there will be restrictions in place and I'm sure the whole plan and location of the yellow lines has been debated at the council and deemed necessary.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Grant (22nd Jul 2014 - 22:10:53) Local parent? Its the minority of foul mouthed, ignorant parents who are the problem. When you pickup one child at a school several miles away and then drive back to park your car in your drive that you cannot access would be frustrating to anyone! Especially when your collecting a sibling from liphook jnrs. I work in the building industry and some if the mothers abusive language is disgusting, especially when they have children in the car. I have no problem at all living near the school, or the parking at pickup or drop off. I do have a problem with people who are ignorant, selfish and abusive! There is no ideal solution, just a little patience and consideration would suffice.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Shirl (23rd Jul 2014 - 19:12:17) In light of this would any resident around the school area allow me to use their driveway? I do live in Liphook but unable to walk due to work commitments. 10 mins each morning and afternoon, would be much appreciated. 07979894272 kind regards.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - local parent (23rd Jul 2014 - 20:14:51) so when you pick your child up from school do you park next to school? by putting yellow lines in you only putting problem somewhere else but at least every one be happy bring in yellow buses like USA PICK CHILD UP FROM END OFF ROADS. SORRY THEN BE TWO MANY BUSES. SO WHATS NEXT CHILDREN TO LOAD AT PLAY TIME BAN THEM FROM PLAYING

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Anon parent (23rd Jul 2014 - 20:46:47) I think even the very idea of residents renting out their driveways to school run parents is a mickey take! Makes you wonder what their motives were for the yellow lines ! Unbelievable ! How very contradictory !!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - local (23rd Jul 2014 - 21:18:01) have to tell taxman as extra income I bet they do not I think parents should ask for speed camera now I guess they will have more room to speed how about make speed limit 5mph?

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Local parent #1 (23rd Jul 2014 - 22:25:03) It doesn't matter what the land was! If it was sold then whomever owned it got paid. Most of Liphook didn't exist 40 years ago but progress has happened and will continue to do so. Don't live near the school if you don't like school traffic, foul mouthed ignorant drivers, parents and locals will be the same foul mouthed ignorant drivers no matter where you encounter them, they don't become courteous polite considerate people when they get onto Headley Rd! Yellow lines will be difficult to police as there are no resources to police properly. Unless we home tutor our children then I can't see the problem going away. Can I just ask all these irate residents where they or their children went to school? Was it under different circumstance? Was it different because they never lived near the school they attended so that would make you a NIMBY!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Grant (23rd Jul 2014 - 22:34:31) Locals, Brilliant, I'll rent my drive to at least 3 cars and run a spray tan and nail bar! 20% reduction for cash.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Diana (24th Jul 2014 - 10:49:37) Just out of interest where do the council suggest that parents park (because they have to park somewhere) safely. There must be a plan if they are putting in all those yellow lines. It goes back to the use of the bottom end of the field access from the avenue which has been suggested many times and for many years. Why not?

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Donna (24th Jul 2014 - 11:05:05) Further up the page, is the link to the plans

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Dave (24th Jul 2014 - 11:40:48) My parents didn't own a car, my father worked shifts and my mother was unable to walk. I walked 3 miles to and from school every day and was as fit as a butcher's dog - but of course the kids of today don't seem to know what their legs are for!.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Another local resident (24th Jul 2014 - 12:38:33) Looking at the plans, it would seem Lark Rise will take a lot of the parking. I am a little uneasy about a lot of the rhetoric about parents - there really needs to be provision to help people who need to get their children to school. Picking up on an idea from earlier in the thread, how about a 'walking bus' from the rec car park and another from Griggs Green, useful for Bohunt students too. Children from Griggs Green in particular have to cross a dangerous road on a blind corner and walk down an unlit path past woodland. I appreciate that in the 'old days' we all used to walk to school, but my walk was never that exposed and had a proper pedestrian crossing and elsewhere a lollipop lady (remember them!) . Some parents have no choice but to drive their children to school, please let's not demonise them.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - nik (24th Jul 2014 - 13:39:56) Due to the hard work & perseverance of a local resident, we had confirmation this week that the free Bohunt school bus service will cover Passfield . I believe details will be made available soon, you have to apply to the council for your child to use this service. It will be saving us £800 or so A year!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Chris (24th Jul 2014 - 22:22:26) I too used to walk a 4 mile round trip to school every day come rain, shine, snow etc but I wouldn't' let my two children of primary school age walk from Passfield to Liphook especially along Passfield straight, there isn't even a footpath. So where do you propose to let these parents park that live in the outlying areas of the parish? By the way Glen, put me down for a tan and nails, do I get free parking or a voucher for my next visit? :()

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Chris (24th Jul 2014 - 22:26:10) Sorry Grant, I didn't mean to call you glen, by the way, do you specialise in French Polish ? :()

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Janet A (24th Jul 2014 - 23:12:13) It would surely help if the overgrown footpath from Passfield to Hill House Hill could be properly maintained. 20 years ago my son used to walk home from Bohunt to Passfield. It's not far (only about 2 miles) and takes about 40 minutes max.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Chris (25th Jul 2014 - 00:14:38) We would like nothing more than to be able to walk from Passfield, although my children are too young to do this alone but they could do this trip once they were at Bohunt. They will never be allowed to cycle as the speeding traffic scares the hell of me for the young cyclists who do so currently. I don't foresee the footpath ever being reinstated, it just comes to a stop at the corner after hill house hill and then starts just after the old Passfield oak opposite the stores which seems pointless especially when the footpath at Standford has been rebuilt in previous years. Who is responsible, parish, EHDC or Hampshire council? A different thread maybe, but the speed camera team we see locally in Liphook who I think do a worthwhile job, volunteering etc, is this camera ever going to leave Liphook and benefit the wider parish? Passfield, Bramshott etc? Before anyone starts, it's just a simple question, not a criticism. If there is a procedure for requesting this facility could someone let me know. Thanks

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - tony (25th Jul 2014 - 00:50:44) I don't know, all these selfish parents rushing from work to pick their kids up from school, let's stick yellow lines up everywhere and make lots of money off them. Parents can afford it, after all it's dead cheap raising kids these days. I couldn't get off my driveway once at 3.15 to go and get my nails done, your children are such an inconvenience to me, when I bought this house opposite a school I had no idea that children would be turning up, in fact it would be so much quieter if they could just run these schools without children altogether. And while we're at it ban children from airplanes and restaurants, bah humbug. Seriously, we're working ourselves silly raising the next generation, please stop moaning at us, you'll be old and grey one day and will appreciate having a younger generation around to keep things going, that's all we're doing here. Just plan ahead and accept it, after all, you bought opposite a school cos it was a bit cheaper, didn't you, let's be honest. Well this was the reason!

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - DML (25th Jul 2014 - 01:44:24) Do other schools have this problem or is it peculiar to Liphook? My last child just left school this month so I don't have to worry any more but this whole thread is quite unsettling as everyone seems to be at each others throats. I can see both sides. But it does seem like there are certainly going to be some very stressed people come September. The school isn't going anywhere. The children still have to get there. And the residents can't all just get up and move. So surely now is the time for everyone to get together to work something out before the expected havoc starts in September. What about an open meeting somewhere with the council present as well to work towards a solution before everyones blood pressure goes even higher?

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Dawn Hoskins (25th Jul 2014 - 08:25:48) DML Having been a working Mum of numerous Children who have attended different schools, both in the UK and abroad, I can assure you that although most schools / local residents have a difficult period at around 8am and 3pm most days regarding traffic, Liphook is particularly bad due to the extraordinarily poor planning and layout. Other schools on narrow roads generally have a 'self-regulated' one-way system that involves all driving in at one end of one road, even if you have to go around the houses to start at the correct end. Grayshott is a prime example. It works well by peer-pressure alone and costs the village nothing to enforce. Liphook however have grounds that (despite having ample enough space to create a 'perimeter road' for a 'drive-through' style of drop off) - the planners thought that creating a dead-end access which would allow for two-way traffic only if there were ZERO parked cars - was a good idea. Not only is the dead-ended Avenue Close a narrow road, the preceding road is also narrow (despite there being a verge along one side wide enough to park a bus on)! This side of the road, in the planning wisdom at the time, was laid into a useless wide strip of grass - not wide enough for anything but being a bane for the groundsmen. If the pointless verge along The Avenue was used to make the road wider, then at least you could still have North/South lanes of moving traffic rather than the resulting foul-mouthed log-jams that ensue or (even more dangerous) cars driving on the pavement by the hedge). Alas, these things take not only mega-money from central government to fix, but also (and harder to achieve) consensus. We live in the age of 'the car' yet Highway consultants and town planners insist on promoting (city-based) practices to prohibit or reduce vehicular use. Anything seen as promoting or making car use easier is frowned upon. All well and good when you've got buses and trains to get around on - but that sort of thinking does not help us here in such a rural area which is so poorly served by public transport. The best result, in my opinion, would be to create a perimeter road (using the land which it already owns), to enable driving parents and carers to drop off their wards safely in School grounds before heading off to work. However, this is promoting car use so will never get the 'go-ahead'. OR.... CONTENTIOUS I KNOW have a bus service which runs at School opening time which can be used by youngsters (with their Mums) or using the 'bus mother' rotation system, whereby all the parents of children using the bus take it in turns so that there is always a responsible adult riding in the bus with the children. If the School bus is presented, from the start, as the only transport, then children and parents alike will soon get used to it. From experience - this does work. What we are left with is the worst of both. No incentive to use public transport; No creation of out of town parking areas; No perimeter road - and punitive measures which ultimately have to be financed by government anyway to punish those who dare to drive! I am not looking forward to September and am concerned at the cost of enforcement when we no longer have a police service based in Liphook (only empty rooms with 'Police' written above - which they no-doubt still pay to rent despite their absence).

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Resident of Avenue Close (31st Jul 2014 - 21:19:43) As a resident of Avenue Close AND a parent of a child who attends Liphook school, I actually think that the proposed yellow lines are ridiculous. Any resident who considers that this will help their situation have not thought this through at all. As many people have pointed out, yes there is an issue with parking at certain times of the day, and yes, this is to be expected given that there are so many parents wanting to drop off/pick up their children during a relatively short space of time. BUT... 1/ Parents who are inconsiderate enough to park across driveways or dangerously on corners etc. have a "just this once" mentality. Unless the yellow lines are strictly enforced, those parents will continue to park on a yellow line "just this once" or "only for a few minutes".. 2/ What happens outside of school hours? I'm thinking of residents (or their visitors) who want to park outside their homes at the weekend or late at night (or during the summer holidays or term/half term holidays) and can't do so because they have yellow lines plastered around the road? 3/ In a similar vein, what about when the school hosts "out of hours" events - some of the plans are for parking restrictions during certain hours of the day, but if a large number of parents want to park outside of those times, they will still do so and actually cause more problems. 4/ I appreciate that parked cars can cause issues for parents and children wanting to cross the roads- but if the roads are empty of parked cars, what is to stop peopledriving much faster and causing an accident that way? 5/ As already pointed out,if parents aren't going to park along the Avenue or Avenue Close, then they still need to park somewhere... isn't this just pushing the problem further out to affect more residents and parents alike??

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - JW (31st Jul 2014 - 22:43:31) I wonder if anyone has ever considered providing a park and ride, like they do in Guildford for shopping, so that parents could park on the edge of the village, with buses bringing the children to the car park or taking them in in the morning? Nice big area opposite the end of Station Road might suit. Doesn't help that Highways have routed traffic to Haslemere right through our village centre down narrow country lanes, instead of directing it to the Grayshott exit, just before the tunnel on the A3. A more direct and less populated route. When I was seven, I caught a bus to school, but if I missed it, had to walk a couple of miles, part of it across farmland by a country footpath. Didn't do me a lot of harm.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Nic (1st Aug 2014 - 17:35:44) I've often wondered why Avenue Close doesn't become a one-way system from Headley Road down to Longmoor Road during peak hours. And if there were a drop and go point at the field gate parents wouldn't need to park?

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - P (15th Aug 2014 - 17:42:51) yes I think one way system be better than yellow lines you can park on one side.and so you get flowing traffic down the avenue. and put yellow lines outside people drives problem done. if people do park in yellow lines then home owner can take reg number and report to school. and school have data base of cars then send letter to that person.

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Finchie (23rd Aug 2014 - 09:36:30) Just heard about this thread and had get on line to witness it. Wrong on so many levels. Confirmed. The world has gone mad. Common sense has departed. Sadly, some faceless, bureacratic, paper-pushing, bean-counting, child-less ignorant numpty, sat behind a desk, out of touch with any normal day-to-day life challenges and no dose of reality or inkling of practicality, actually thought this would be a good idea and approved it. I'm too proud of our local village and people to video the first day of school and post the ensuing chaos on YouTube for the rest of the world to witness for Liphook to become the laughing stock of the world. Always good to sit on the fence ... Happy Bank a Holiday Weekend, enjoy it as it'll be the last time you can get through Liphook at peak school times in under an hour (that's without the new developments) ... Cheers, Finchie

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Grant (23rd Aug 2014 - 13:27:44) I'm hoping it will deter the in laws from visiting. :-)

Re: Yellow road lines around Liphook Jnr school - Diane (24th Aug 2014 - 17:50:04) When are the yellow lines coming? Regarding the land at the bottom of the playing field,my friend who used to live near the school was told at a meeting with the school that it could not be used for parking or dropping off because it has a covenant on it which was imposed when the Council purchased it. Has any one else heard this one?

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