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600 houses consultation
- Eric Benson (5th Sep 2019 @ 17:15:33)

The formal consultation for ‘Large Sites’ by East Hampshire District Council has now opened, see
easthants.gov.uk/large-development-sites-consultation

There was a presentation in Alton yesterday and there will be further presentations in Alton, Whitehill/ Bordon and Horndean [but not Liphook] in the coming 6 weeks, apparently EHDC does not have the staff for any other meetings.

For Liphook what is proposed is the complete development of the land from Highfield Lane to Chiltley Lane then north to the railway and across Devil’s Lane to the Haslemere Road. 600 houses on a site much smaller than the Berg estate through which access will flow if it is not using an entry point in Highfield Lane or in the dip by Greensands. No suggestion yet as to how the road system is going to cope, Haslemere Road and Highfield Lane are both narrow and busy now…

600 houses or to put it another way say an extra 1200 new villagers, with say 1000 cars all on the fringes of the village and further away from services than ever.
How does Liphook intend to cope?

Yours
Eric B

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Phil (5th Sep 2019 @ 21:13:22)

Let's not panic.

EHDC have declared a climate emergency. Why commit an environment crime by permitting a new housing estate that is not viable without 1000 cars being needed (because without them residents are stranded in the middle of nowhere).

A recent report has concluded that even electric cars do not fix the environmental challenge. Future residential developments must reflect the crisis and be located near community transport hubs so cars are not required.

Councils are not filled with cretins, I am sure someone in authority has a glimmer of intelligence.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- liz (6th Sep 2019 @ 13:51:41)

Phil

You would think so - but they are building c4000 new houses at Bordon I believe, with no new public transport infrastructure.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- K (7th Sep 2019 @ 07:55:57)

I believe (hope) Phils comment is tongue in cheek.
EHDC declaring a "Climate Emergency" smacks a little to me of jumping on a band wagon and being seen to do the right thing.
EHDC have to plan for 1000s of new homes in their part of the District (not in the SDNPAs area) and aren't proposing any major upgrades in infrastructure.
The 600+ site proposed in Liphook is completely isolated from the centre of the village by the railway line with no new upgrades proposed for our overstretched road network and no new footpaths or cyclepaths to try an minimise the use of cars.
To suggest that the proposal would have any benefit to our existing community is laughable, the only groups to benefit will be the landowners and builders who will make millions and EHDC who will fulfill their government (all parties included) quotas.
I implore all residents of Liphook and it's surrounding hamlets to get involved and submit their comments (either for or against with supporting evidence where possible) via the EHDC website before the consultation ends in October.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Penny Williamson (7th Sep 2019 @ 10:12:24)

K, You say that the EHDC will benefit from building houses as it will fulfill their government quotas. I do not think the word "benefit" applies in this case because local councils do not have a choice and this applies across the country. Local councils are told by National Government the quota for houses that must be built in their area by a specific date. They then have to find suitable sites – a thankless task as no one wants houses built in their backyard.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- John (7th Sep 2019 @ 11:47:43)

K what I think you are saying is houses south of the railway line in Liphook are unsustainable. How do people manage then who already live south of the line? There are masses of houses there already. Gunns farm and the Berg estate and the wheatsheaf enclosure spring to mind. Is it not just an extension to exsisting estates?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Anon2 (7th Sep 2019 @ 12:21:05)

Perhaps you don’t realise that once a neighbour plan is in place Councils get £2500 from the developers for every house built. That’s why Liphook is trying to get the plan out fast!!

Re: 600 houses consultation
- K (7th Sep 2019 @ 16:00:24)

John. Yes I am saying more housing south of the railway line in Liphook is unsustainable.
All the existing housing you mention was built between around 70 to 45 years ago, it was relatively low density and at a time when car use was much less and planning rules much slacker.
With current building densities far more houses will be built in this one proposal than exist already in that part of our community. The proposal shows no improvements to walking, cycling and driving routes to facilities and will certainly have a massive negative impact on the village centre, due to even more congestion and it's resultant pollution, not forgetting that area is a conservation area and EHDC should be trying to do the opposite to what this proposal will achieve.
Therefore YES any more development on the south side of the railway line is unsustainable!

Penny. EHDC will be a benefactor from this proposal due to the reason you (and I) mentioned so I have no disagreement with you.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- James (7th Sep 2019 @ 16:54:25)

Anon2 - where do you get your figure from please?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Anon (7th Sep 2019 @ 18:46:09)

From the Parish Council.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- John (7th Sep 2019 @ 23:14:09)

600 houses could be seen as unsustainable anywhere though, except very close to the village centre and there is not a plot big enough in the conservation area. All the estates which were built in the 60s and 70s outside of the village centre with big driveways means that those driveways probably house 2 cars now instead of the one that they were intended to have, which in turn makes those estates themselves part of the unsustainability equation, adding more traffic to the roads in the same way a new estate would.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Ashley (8th Sep 2019 @ 11:02:11)

I read a number of weeks ago in the Petersfield Post, EHDC are not permitting new planning or construction. This is due to the fact that because of all the recent new builds going on, there are to many chemicals getting into the water sources. Just something I read, that's all

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Phil (8th Sep 2019 @ 12:21:52)

This proposal is an extinction event for the current Liphook and everyone needs to appreciate this. Whatever quality of life you have here, its going to degrade. This is not a minor proposal for a few extra houses, its is a massive extension that will affect everyone.

1. There are currently between 220 and 250 houses south of the railway. There are no shops or facilities of any kind. This 600 house proposal will result (at minimum) in a 200% increase in the housing in this area all of whom will be dependent on going north of the railway but with only one realistic way of doing so. (Devils lane is not a practical route for this volume of traffic).

Everyone from Chiltley, Station Road and onto the Sainsburys estate will be directly impacted by the traffic

We will be adding an estate 2-3 times the size of the Sainsbury estate but it will be in the middle of nowhere.

2. People living north of the railway will also be considerably affected. The reason for the phased release is to enable the people of Liphook to adjust to the daily queues and disruption to their lives.

This prposla will increase the population of Liphook by 15-20%. Liphook was until a few years ago a village, it cannot become a medium sized town without a serious infrastructure upgrade. Lipook will have about the same population as Haslemere but crammed into a smaller space and without the same facilities. Where is the local sports centre, proper medical centre etc. It will need a serious upgrade but nothing is proposed. Where is the town centre parking to accommodate all of this.

3. The nearest schools to this development are almost 1.5 miles away. Forget footpaths! What parent is going to make their 5 year old walk that distance in the morning. In time that will be at least another 200 cars queuing at 8.10am onto the mini roundabouts for 20 minutes to do the School drop off. Anyone wishing to leave Liphook for the A3 will also take this route.

To address this congestion they will ultimately have to demolish some of the properties and widen the roads at this choke point. The conservation area will be sacrificed.

4. If you are concerned about the empty shelves in Sainsburys then you should now panic, imagine queuing to park and then finding all the shelves empty because of the extra population

5. Because of the distance and probable age profile we will probably seen a 20-25% increase in parents having to drop their children off in their cars outside the local infant school another 10% at Bohunt.

It is by any measure one of the most unsustainable developments ever proposed and it will irreparably affect the lives of everyone in Liphook.

In summary - wake up people of Liphook, someone has just proposed to overwhelm you.


Re: 600 houses consultation
- Anon (8th Sep 2019 @ 12:28:36)

Is it time to reconsider a lessor amount on the land at Bohunt which may assist with the construction of a relief road? Just s thought but the writer is aware of the history, local passions and sensitivities. Let's not put essential housing and infrastructure for future generations ahead of our idealism and own selfless reasoning

A special protectied Status should be given, guaranteed and policed for the site immediately adjoining Bohunt Manor lake in order to protect the wildlife as per part of Lady Holmans bequeathment. This may bridge an impass with the SOS Bohunt supporters.

WWF Brian Cox and other local significant landowners, (you know who you are) stop ignoring your commercial usurpation of land gifted to you to protect, resulting in you receiving proceeds of. Crime and Tort !

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Anon (8th Sep 2019 @ 13:49:17)

Correction - let us not put idealism and selfishness, ahead of much needed infrastructure and future generations housing needs etc....

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Phil (8th Sep 2019 @ 13:52:31)

Hi Anon,

Can you get off this thread please. It's clear that you have a different agenda so do your own posts under a different thread.

A relief road at Bohunt has no bearing whatsoever on a development in Highfield lane and a thousand people trying to access or leave liphook who live there.

Accusing people of wrong doing does not assist.



Re: 600 houses consultation
- oldie (8th Sep 2019 @ 15:30:25)

It's a case of build it and they will come. There are not currently 1,800 people waiting for houses in Liphook (assuming 3 people per dwelling on average).

A quick read and a few of the proposals talk about 'potential improvements' (have we heard those words before?) like putting bus stops in the development (in case anybody ever decides to run a bus through there), having a couple of hectares for offices (is this really a good spot for commercial premises?) aspiring that Devils Lane could become a quiet lane for cyclists and walkers (I thought it already was), a new road linking Haslemere Road and Highfield Lane (was that our priority?), Midhurst Road could be upgraded for a cycle route (could be), that perhaps a footpath could link to the Sainsburys Estate through Manor Fields or the Berg Estate, or both, a site for travelers, 40% affordable houses (what is affordable and to whom?), a new school, a football pitch, a new play area for people of all ages (does that include oldies?), a mix of houses and blocks of flats, some lovely pictures of meadows and bandstands and things, another new fitting gateway for the National Park etc.

I'm not against a well planned residential site in principle, but knowing that we are designated a growth town by EHDC and they have a poor record of providing us with meaningful social amenities even with all the big developments we've already had (remember the Sainsburys Estate swimming pool anyone?), I must doubt if this 'biggest of the lot' new estate will result in enough new amenities that we already need, even just to keep up with the influx (ie the 2 doctors surgeries are already very busy), at least I wouldn't hold my breath too much.

Also one new estate may not be enough once EHDC gets going, the less of a village we become the easier it is for them to justify more estates. This large proposal should be a concern (one way or another) to everyone.

Finally, a quick calculation, 600 homes at say half a million each (average) = three hundred million pounds. I read once that with new builds about a third goes on cost of land (wow there's a profit to be had), a third on building costs and a third on developers profit, plus all the extra council tax revenue, if that's true, let's hope all that money buys us more than just a few bus stops and a painted cycle lane or two, time for a wish list.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- John (8th Sep 2019 @ 17:25:29)

There is no proven need for 600 houses anywhere, you are right Anon
the local Authority have been tempted by the developers contributions on offer. I had thought that the local plan for 100-120 houses on the Chicken
Farm site would be enough on top of Loseley Farm.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- K (9th Sep 2019 @ 07:34:31)

I agree with most of Phils observations, this proposal will affect everyone in the village.

I too have no problem with well designed new developments in the right place but this proposal, although appearing to be well designed, is in the wrong place and will have a major impact on all the existing infrastructure within the village.

Liphook has had around 500-600 new homes built/being built already in the last 5-7 years with no improvements in the village. If this proposal goes ahead then that would be another 600+ homes (note the + in the proposal, it's a large site so could be even 700 or 800?) with no improvements.

Why doesn't Liphook get any improvements with its new developments? Look at all the money being spent in Bordon, admittedly they are getting 1000s of homes but a new by-pass, school, sports centre, town centre. All the major roadworks at the Butts Bridge in Alton costing millions of pounds is being funded by development for around 400 homes. It seems Liphook has to just accept houses with nothing given back.

I say enough is enough and the time has come for us to say no unless our community gets its fair share of upgrades.

Please go to the EHDC events and complete the online consultation questionnaire and make your feelings known. If no one comments then the developer and EHDC will assume there's no issues and it will become part of the new Local Plan.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- oldie (9th Sep 2019 @ 10:08:15)

"The first phase of the new town centre will include up to 27 new shops and restaurants across 71,000 sq.ft, a 20,000 sq.ft supermarket, theatre space and a six-screen cinema, alongside a start-up business hub, 19,000 sq.ft of office space, an indoor market place, heritage centre and 178 new homes. Buildings will be set in new landscaped public spaces and gardens, plus a town centre square." whitehillbordon.com

(Don't forget swimming pool complex and bypass too, where the old branch line used to be)

K, Bordon may be getting over 2,000 new homes overall but they're getting a lot of bang for their money. By the time you count up all the new homes we've got in the same time frame (if this one get's the go ahead) it won't add up to much less, we've got nothing. Don't forget Bordon also built on army land, in doing so demolished many older homes and lost a lot of service personnel, so their net growth is actually a lot less than it sounds.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- John (9th Sep 2019 @ 10:40:32)

K there is really no " right" place in Liphook for these extra houses? But how much influence do we really have? There was a vocal opposition to Lowsley Farm?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Rob (9th Sep 2019 @ 13:46:39)

The Sustainable Alternative Natural Greenspace is a con, that land is very old woodland and is already part of the South Downs National Park.
The "possibility" of a satellite/primary school is presently just that, a possibility, the play areas seem rather small for such a large development. The possible bus route, is never going to happen.
The bridge over the railway line would imho need to be improved (rebuilt) as it has trouble coping with current levels of traffic to add an extra 1200 car journeys per day is asking for trouble. There does need to be something done about the square already, the sensible option would seem to me to be to put in a circulatory (one way) system and put a road through from the library, through the frankly tatty bit of land where the car park and skate park is to join it up. Leave the rec untouched. If this development were to go ahead then some other crossing of the railway for pedestrians linking to Sainsbury's estate might be a good idea too.
It seems a very large development considering how many extra houses we've had in the last few years with 126 at Silent Garden and 330 at Lowsley Farm, with another 600 that would take us over a thousand extra homes with no improvement in infrastructure. It's too much.
The schools won't cope, the roads wont cope, Sainsbury's already can't cope, SWR won't cope, it's crazy!

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Another resident (9th Sep 2019 @ 16:26:45)

This must have been in the pipeline for some time. It would be a travesty if this development were to be built. It is completely in the wrong place and would decimate the south east of Liphook.
This is not just 600 houses, there was talk of 900 at a meeting in the Millenium hall. The only sensible place is the Bohunt land and this was the two proposals at this meeting. It does beg the question as to why the SDNP and some councillors were SO against this . This land is perfect and not on anybody's doorstep and is closer to the village.
The amount of traffic that these homes would generate would be extortionate , no body in their right mind could condone this.
But money talks and the people who are proposing this have plenty. The saying I smell a rat comes to mind.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- RC (9th Sep 2019 @ 16:59:23)

I know, let's have a local referendum to decide this issue.
Oh no, wait a minute..........

Re: 600 houses consultation
- john (9th Sep 2019 @ 20:34:25)

Another resident do not play into the hands of developers. Do not build houses on one site but please pick another? The urgency for houses is not proven anywhere. The choice will not be ours to make, even if houses were allowed at Bohunt, the need for more on the Highfield site would soon arise. Look what happened at Lowsley, more are still thought to be needed, but are they? It is not Parish Councillors who decide on the policies of the National Park. If it were then other rural areas of the National Park would be crammed with housing estates surely!

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Phil (9th Sep 2019 @ 21:07:54)

So Liphook is to be the new Leigh Park, a sink estate for Hampshire but without infrastructure.

A failure to fight or unite with one common aim will leave Lipook as the place people live because they have been priced out of Bordon or Aldershot.

When a donkey craps at your feet you can't push it back!

If you don't fight now you can't change your mind later.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- liz (10th Sep 2019 @ 12:20:33)

Phil

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. Why should it be a sink estate anymore than a development elsewhere in Liphook?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Robin (10th Sep 2019 @ 19:53:17)

Whilst I would encourage as many people as possible to complete EHDC's questionnaire regarding this proposal, it is essential to follow their guidelines which can be found amongst the various documents on the website link. Personalised NIMBY rants sadly will be put in the bin without any consideration. Carefully structured responses to each area are far more likely to be read.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Yellow Bannanna Adrian (11th Sep 2019 @ 10:02:47)

Can I just correct some errors with some posters on this site, the comments about Bordon there are not 2,000 houses being built but over 4,500 and rising, basically any housing development will get approval and so much is already being built. The new school is just a replacement for Mill Chase which will be knocked down for housing. The so called by pass is just a road for the new estates, they haven't even started building the town centre and the theatre idea has already been dropped, the bus service has been improved with a 50% cut in services.
Bordon has been promised lots but little delivered.
That said your Liphook council needs to fight to keep developer contributions in the village, I heard a large chunk of the last lot went to Gosport for social housing, great help for Liphook.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- George (13th Sep 2019 @ 19:29:09)

The parish council's planning committee meet to discuss the proposal for 600 houses up Highfield Lane this coming Monday 16th. Please bombard them with your comments over the weekend

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (13th Sep 2019 @ 19:49:20)

What is wrong with the Bohunt Manor site? Being on the very edge of the South Downs National Park does not mean it can't be built on. Is it forbidden to build in national parks? I don't think so, it goes on in all of them. Interesting how only a very small part of Liphook ended up in it, I wonder who engineered that. Strange how the supporters of the park want this new development right on the other side of town, don't want any expansion in THEIR direction.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (13th Sep 2019 @ 23:22:55)

I didn't appreciate how big this development is until I saw the plans from the link Eric gave in his opening piece. It's not a new estate, it's a new town, it is HUGE. It is nearly as large an area as the current Berg estate and the O.S.U. site (Sainsburys) put together. These are green fields and lanes which really make Liphook, not a recently invented "gateway to a national park". Gateway? Just carry on down the A3.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- K (14th Sep 2019 @ 07:57:57)

Yes D this is a major development for our village.
A huge number of homes on the edge if our community right up to, and part of it is actually inside, the South Downs National Park. The two main access points are onto roads that are in the SDNP with no improvements to any roads, footpaths and infrastructure planned for the wider parts of our village, that will be affected dramatically.
If anyone feels strongly that this proposal, in its current form, should not be included in the East Hants Local Plan then please make your comments to EHDC via its online questionnaire. If you can also make BLPC aware at the meeting on Monday 16th then please attend.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (14th Sep 2019 @ 08:40:55)

The glossy information pack on this claims "There are no other suitable sites in Liphook due to the constraints of the South Downs National Park". Then redraw the boundary. If only a very small piece of Liphook is in this "park" should we be in it at all. Is Liphook actually in the South Downs? Near it yes, but are we actually in it?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Alan (14th Sep 2019 @ 09:02:12)

D - or alternatively build them somewhere else with better infrastructure - near Petersfield for instance.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Helen (14th Sep 2019 @ 09:04:56)

Hi K which roads are in the National Park? Highfield Lane is not it is the other side of it ? Do not fall into the trap of thinking we need these houses so they must be built on Bohunt instead?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Gilly (14th Sep 2019 @ 10:25:30)

Does anyone know where and when the planning committee meeting is on Monday, and if it is open to the public please?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Another Resident (14th Sep 2019 @ 10:42:04)

Having scrawled through the EHDC website I eventually found what I thought was the questionnaire. It appears it can only be opened by having word which I don't have. It is more of just put down in words what you think.

It seems to me that this is hidden well and for those that have no access to a computer will not even know what is happening under their nose.

I believe the council should be sending every household in Liphook this information.

Put back the Bohunt development on the tablet and put it to a vote. But no they wont do that as they know what the resounding outcome will be.

This is being put forward by stealth, no other word for it.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (14th Sep 2019 @ 10:51:59)

I think it will be in the parish council offices in the Midhurst road car park, they start around 7ish. I have emailed them asking but no answer yet.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Gilly (14th Sep 2019 @ 11:26:33)

Another Res - I am happy to print it off for you if helpful? You can fill it in online and send it by email tho

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Markie (14th Sep 2019 @ 12:49:25)

Re D,
Not in the national park,but on the boundary.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Another Resident (14th Sep 2019 @ 13:33:35)

Thanks Gilly I have managed to find it. I have copied and pasted some instructions. Not mine, but this helped me.
Hopefully it will help others to do it.

Here are details of two choices, either
via their online portal, or
by downloading and completing their questionnaire, and either emailing it to them or sending it via post.
Using the Online Portal is tough. Certainly not user friendly. You’ll see the “Register/Login” buttons at the top right hand corner. If you have used the system before, login using your email and password, otherwise you have to register first. Then click on “via our online portal”, and “Large Development Sites”. You are faced with a long contents list of subjects in blue type, three quarters of the way down is “Land South East of Liphook”. Click on that and it takes you to the right section. The thing that is not obvious is that to lodge a comment you have to click on the blue pen symbol next to the issue you want to comment on. A separate dialogue box opens up inviting you to Support, Object or Comment on that section.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Another Resident (14th Sep 2019 @ 16:01:38)

Well well,
If it is alright in Steep why not in Liphook, on the Bohunt land. We are told no developments in the park. Double standards I think.

Steep Village Hall open space – FOR SALE
I can’t believe it….. how?
Steep Parish Council and the Steep in Need Charity are imminently about to sell the open space next to the village hall to a fat cat developer. Part of the land was originally given to the community by Bedales in 1920 for the commemoration of the village boys and men who died in the First World War. The other part was given to the village for allotments.

The recently adopted South Downs National Park Local Plan has sanctioned the site for development following lengthy public consultation but requires that any development must have at least 20% public open space; none of the site has been generally accessible to the public since 1867 (at least).
SDNPA policy also states that any development must have a proportion of affordable homes.
Any specific proposals on this important site in the heart of Steep will, of course, be subject to local consultation.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- K (14th Sep 2019 @ 16:24:41)

Helen.
Looking at all the maps I can find the boundary of Hampshire and West Sussex runs along the western (Liphook) side of Highfield Lane and at the bottom of the hill the boundary goes straight across the land in front of you as the road bears right (that land is part of the development proposal). The boundary then goes across that land towards the railway bridge (where one of the access points is proposed).

As far as I'm aware the SDNP boundary follows the boundary of Hampshire and West Sussex at this point therefore both access points will put vehicles into the SDNP and one point (Haslemere Road) will actually be fully in the SDNP.

I don't believe that Liphook actually needs 600+ more homes (The area of East Hampshire that EHDC are responsible for planning does need to find them though) but if Liphook as a community does need 600+ more homes then any site within the village which is closer to facilities, schools, shops, A3 access, can provide benefits to the community, is sustainable and won't increase our already gridlocked peak time traffic congestion in the conservation area Square, would get my vote (no matter if it's within the SDNP or not).

This site is not the right site and we don't need 600+ more homes in Liphook.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Eric Benson (15th Sep 2019 @ 10:45:52)

Adding to the contributions from fellow Liphook villages it could be suggested that, the proposed new village on the chicken farm (where development has been turned down on appeal already) and fields in Highfield/Devils/Chiltley Lanes by adding a further 480 houses as a ‘bid’ is some sort of conspiracy – Add in now 600 houses, re-trench after the furore has died down and forgo 480 units to let 120 through on the chicken farm site as a ‘compromise’/sigh of relief?

Those who live on the south east side of the village are concerned, and rightly so, that 600 houses on the South eastern edge of the village would totally mess up in all sorts of ways the village atmosphere so far enjoyed. I will not go into all of those here but they include such things as major development away from the centre of the village and services, lack of infrastructure, effects on the local road system - Highfield Lane, Haslemere Road and the Midhurst Road are all narrow and certainly busy enough as it is.

Is it not now the time to get East Hampshire District Council and our elected representatives to bite the bullet and say to South Downs National Park that the inclusion of the lands around the Bohunt Manor area (probably only within the park because of WWF links from the past) was a mistake and they should be released from SDNP control and added to EHDC’s area of activity? Anyone looking at a map of Liphook for realise that SW quadrant (basically from The Links through to the Deers Hut) is a chunk missing out from the central village area. Indeed rather than doing a simple straight line from the Deers Hut to The Links a slightly less obvious but equally useful site could be produced by running from The Links up to the Eastern side of the Bohunt Manor driveway, basically the field with planning consent for a new GP doctors surgery, and then heading North and West from that point through to Griggs Green, with a relief road along the site’s SW edge linking Longmoor Road with the Portsmouth Road.

Eric B

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (15th Sep 2019 @ 12:31:36)

Hear hear, thankyou Eric for bringing this issue to our attention, I would never have known about it otherwise. Thanks.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Another Resident (15th Sep 2019 @ 13:44:00)

Eric. I could not agree with you more. I attended a meeting in Midhurst a few years ago where this land was debated. Some of our District councillors gave support to this development as did a doctor who thought the Health centre would be of great benefit to the village. On the planning portal members of the public were for this to be developed other than anywhere else.
All neighbourhood plan meetings that were held the people came to the same agreement but were shot down for even thinking it.
Unfortunately some parish councillors where vehemently against it, and the last meeting held the SDNP would not budge.
Yes googling Liphook it makes total sense to use these two fields. I think it is time people in Liphook wake up to the huge mistake that would be made if the 600 homes are built. We should not be ignored as we have been ever since the Bohunt development was put forward.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- George (15th Sep 2019 @ 15:57:42)

There are so many people in the village who know nothing about this proposal. The word really needs to be spread as quickly as possible.

It seems quite extraordinary that there is no public consultation in Liphook when all the other 'large sites' have them. This could result in very few adverse comments being received by EHDC with regard to the Liphook site.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- MJR (15th Sep 2019 @ 17:10:07)

I have been reminded about the public meeting held in Liphook when the proposal to build houses on the Bohunt Manor site was debated.

The overwhelming majority of Parish residents at the public meeting held in July 2013 objected to the proposal to build on the Bohunt Manor site; as can be viewed if you follow this link to the BBC South Today Report on the meeting BBC South Today excerpt 9th July 2013 PM previously posted on Talkback Bohunt Manor - curious (28th Aug 2014 @ 16:20:17)

BBC South Today excerpt 9th July 2013 AM - part 1

BBC South Today excerpt 9th July 2013 PM - part 2

There is no need to build 600 houses on the site to the south east of Liphook nor the Bohunt Manor site.

I recently visited the exhibition and noted that the Consortium claim that they had been in discussion with Bramshott & Liphook Neighbourhood Development Steering Group [NDP] about the Consortium’s proposals. I understand that no meetings have taken place although the Consortium did make presentations at the public forums. The implication that the NDP has had meetings with the Consortium is wholly incorrect.

Setting this aside I have the following additional observations:-

I assume that the proposal supersedes the EHDC preferred Chiltley Farm site which is in its self a poor site for development due to sustainability concerns as recognised by EHDC when they refused planning permission last year.

No Strategic Environment Assessment [SEA]has taken place for the Liphook site. This is surprising because I would assume that on the original call for sites this should have taken place.

Access to the A3 will only be possible via the restricted railway bridge adjacent to the station or by the Haslemere Road. This will cause major traffic congestion.

The construction of a primary school within the site is unlikely to progress without long term funding from HCC and will also cause traffic congestion at peak times.

The location of a potential SANG so far from the development is strange especially as this area is already open to the public via rights of way and permitted paths. I believe SANGs are supposed to be located nearer to the development sites for the ease of use for the residents.

The Consortium state that the cycle & pedestrian routes would be improved. The routes outside the proposed development site are already established and in use.

The walking distance to the railway station is 1200 metres not 800 metres as indicated on the Consortium’s site considerations document.

I concluded that the site at Liphook was wholly unsuitable for development because of infrastructure problems, sustainability issues, etc.

The infrastructure issues include the capacity of the existing sewage system which is already causing problems with flooding of raw sewage in various locations,

Most of the other 9 proposed sites outside the Parish are more suitable than 'South East of Liphook' with far better sustainability especially with closer links to the major road system.

I am also surprised that the residents of Liphook have to travel so far to visit the consultation events as there isn’t one arranged for Liphook. There will be many in our community who will be unable to attend for many reasons such as lack of public transport, disability, etc. together with a lack of publicity apart from on the internet. Maybe the Inspector will take a dim view of this omission?

I have forwarded my comments to EHDC.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Another Resident (15th Sep 2019 @ 18:36:43)

Whilst I agree with MJR on his post I would urge him to look at the planning application on the EHDC website
SDNP/14/06426/OUT
Many people commented on this proposal were in favour, as
the public are not stupid enough to think that we will not be made to accommodate land for new developments, we know the government have been pushing this, but we need to have them in the right areas. So far they have got it very wrong. The new development along the Longmoor road with that ridiculous roundabout. Not in walking distance to Sainsburys, or the station. Also more traffic passing Bohunt school, dangerous.
I suggest the District councillors start getting leaflets out to every household in Liphook.
To all those people who use Devils Lane and Chiltlee Lane please be aware what is going on


Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (15th Sep 2019 @ 19:00:15)

Forgive my ignorance but there are nine other proposals not far from us, is it a case of just one of these being chosen or are there ten proposals all together?11

Re: 600 houses consultation
- George (15th Sep 2019 @ 20:29:28)

Another Res. Do you think, perhaps, the district councillors are in favour and that's why they've done precisely nothing to tell us about it? Very worrying

Re: 600 houses consultation
- Gilly (16th Sep 2019 @ 11:07:42)

According to the parish council website, the planning sub-committee meet at 7.30pm today in the office in Midhurst Road. The large site proposal is towards the end of the evening's agenda.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- George (16th Sep 2019 @ 22:10:54)

Is anyone able to update us on what was said at this meeting please?

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (16th Sep 2019 @ 22:47:34)

Not much really, a member of the consortium was there putting his case (which to be fair he did well given the circumstances) but no definite opinion either way on the part of the council (I don't think anyway). When asked where else could six hundred homes go an attempt was made to silence me immediately by a member of the parish council when I said Bohunt Manor. Won't bother going again.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (16th Sep 2019 @ 23:42:28)

One thing that did stick in my mind was when a reference was made to the provision of surgeries in Liphook and a parish councillor made a comment to the effect of people don't use surgeries anymore. Having a relative with stage four cancer I can assure her they do.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- jaybee (17th Sep 2019 @ 08:53:23)

Thank you for your report on last nights fiasco, sorry Parish meeting.
I had studied the plans and the proposals, visited the exhibition and the sites and planned to attend this meeting but checking out the venue of the meeting THE HASKELL CENTRE I came to the conclusion that they were not wanting many of the public to attend so I didn't
When I did attend a meeting re. THE CHICKEN FARM site some time ago I came away with the feeling the councillors attitude was " If it doesn't affect me personally it can go ahead

Re: 600 houses consultation
- George (17th Sep 2019 @ 08:56:11)

Thanks for your report D. What a ludicrous comment that we don't use surgeries any more! Our councillors do seem strangely removed from reality.

There's clearly an agenda over the land at Bohunt Manor...

Re: 600 houses consultation
- k (17th Sep 2019 @ 11:46:41)

Looks to me likes it's going to be goodbye ( if not already ) Liphook village - hello Dysfunctional Liphook town with no community services, no infra- structure medical facilities, starving hundreds - no food at Sainsbury's & lots & lots of crime & anti social behavior - Liphook can't cope as it is let alone with more housing -oh & possibly even longer queues to escape the dreadful place.

Re: 600 houses consultation
- George (17th Sep 2019 @ 14:06:16)

Struggling to find the humour here K

Re: 600 houses consultation
- D (17th Sep 2019 @ 14:33:17)

Look at a map of Liphook and you'll see the land between the old A3 and Longmoor Road is largely untouched. It is farcical squeezing houses in anywhere possible when all this land is being kept sterile by the South Downs National Park. It wouldn't be so bad if this new proposal included things for the existing residents like a surgery and another supermarket (another forbidden topic it seems!) The only thing I can see on these plans for locals is a community orchard. So we get an apple each, whoopee!

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