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Annual Parish Meeting - Barry Hope (24th Mar 2008 - 20:59:04) Just in case you weren't all aware, Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council is holding its Annual Parish Meeting on Monday 31st March at the Millennium Hall at 7.30pm. It will be a good opportunity to hear just what the council have been spending your money on and how they intend to spend it this coming financial year. Regards to all Barry

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (25th Mar 2008 - 12:07:12) Hi Barry Are the public allowed to ask questions, or is this a 'sit down and be quiet' event? I would quite like to know who has been responsible for all the 'cock ups' in Passfield, even if it is ultimately down to Hampshire - I would like to know who was supposed to chase up / follow up on these things. Accountability is an important responsibility / liability.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Freddie Dawkins (25th Mar 2008 - 17:41:22) Dawn - You most certainly are able to ask questions. This is the ideal time for public questions. You'll have the full Council available, each Committee will be making reports and you can ask about everything that's happened and might be happening.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Barry Hope (25th Mar 2008 - 21:05:08) Hi Dawn Freddie got there before me. It is just the sort of opportunity you have to ask any questions you like. As you say, it's all about accountability, responsibility and liability. We all pay our council tax and therefore have a right to know what it is used for and how it is spent. As well as the Parish Councillors there will also be EHDC & HCC Councillors present at the meeting who will be giving reports on local isues and available to answer questions like those related to Passfield etc...

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - nikki (28th Mar 2008 - 16:55:20) Just bumping this up. Don't forget it's the Full Parish Meeting (6.30 pm) before the annual meet (7.30 pm), also in the Millenium Hall.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (7th Apr 2008 - 21:25:27) After arriving late at the meeting a number of issues did not get discussed as I would have hoped. For this reason I am posting them up here to invite further input and discussion on these points. My late arrival meant that I was unable to address a number of issues which I had specifically come to the meeting for. I would point out that I voiced this to the Chairman at the meeting and asked if I could address them at a later point, to which he said yes. However he did not permit this to happen. I felt aggrieved about this total lack of flexibility. It should not be the case that public meetings are set up so rigidly so as to disallow debate regarding valid issues. Such rigid adherence to procedure is the precise reason for such low attendance by the public as it does nothing but advertise that the system is archaic and will not yield to their needs. This promotes public indifference and only serves to keep numbers down and therefore stifle debate of issues which are important to residents of the Parish. This matter aside; I will now address the matters which are concerning myself and a number of other Passfield residents. Passfield Business Centre The only access to the Passfield Business Centre is down the very narrow residential street of Lynchborough Road. The Centre has co-existed with residents for many years, however it has recently been bought by PNH (Properties) Holdings Plc and they have created ‘Passfield Self Storage’. We are now constantly blighted by massive pantechnicans parked upon the pavements. This not only blocks access to our driveways but is also very dangerous situation as regards child safety. There has already been one ‘near miss’ when a lorry reversed into the path of a tricycle. The managers of the site have been approached but are unresponsive. Lynchborough Road is simply not wide enough for lorries of this size. A carriageway width of 5.5m is required to allow two pantechnicans to pass each other which means that when cars are parked the lorries cannot pass without mounting pavements. I seek confirmation that it is not legal for lorries to park up and block pavements and perhaps some council intervention with regard to the overall poor management of the users of the site. A further concern is the ‘word of mouth’ news that the newly constructed second entrance to the site is to be converted in to storage and housing for fairground families, fairground equipment and caravans. I do not know if such rumour is true and this was one of the issues I was most anxious to have public discussion about. I seek assurance that there is no foundation to these rumours as Lynchborough Road can ill afford the extra lorries that would be involved. Hollywater Road There have recently been a number of accidents and ‘near misses’ at the entrance/exit of Lynchborough Road. This is due to both the lack of visibility and the speed limit on Hollywater Road which remains an ‘out of limit’ speed designation. Looking left from Lynchborough Road, sight lines are reduced by the bend in the road. This results in cars pulling out onto Hollywater Road only to hear sudden squealing brakes from the vehicle not previously visible but due to excessive speed has to try hard to avoid collision. I have personally been the victim of such a collision. A similar danger arises for stationary vehicles sitting in Hollywater waiting to turn right into Lynchborough. They are not visible to cars travelling at high speed until after they have approached the bend. You are no doubt aware of published ‘overall stopping distances’. A car travelling at 60mph needs thinking distance and braking distance amounting to 240 feet in order to stop. That is over 70 meters and the line of sight is not that long!! Recently cars have spun off to avoid collision and a number of the road signs along the side of the road have been damaged as a result. Sadly, only ‘actual’ accidents are reported to the police and not ‘near misses’ so this dangerous situation is largely going unreported. I do not believe it is acceptable that such a highly used road such as Lynchborough Road should be accessed from a road upon which vehicles are travelling at excess of 60mph. The combination of limited visibility and maximum speed limit is a disaster waiting to happen and this road should be reduced to a 30 limit. I seek your assurances that this matter will be investigated and action taken before a serious injury occurs. B3004 The junction of Hollywater and the B3004 remains a problem. We are regularly overtaken by vehicles driving well in excess of 60 mph. This is the most dangerous section of the B3004, yet bizarrely, it has the highest speed limit? This is despite direct residential access from The Warrens, the TWO residential National Trust roads, the Passfield Store and houses along that road and the Hollywater Road. We were informed by Sam James that the definition of ‘Village’ does not incorporate Passfield and we are no longer in line for the ‘Village 30’ scheme. This pedantic rigid literal interpretation of the meaning of words does nothing to enhance the public view of local government and is a total disgrace. I seek specific information as to what is now happening to reduce speed at this black-spot and would fight for speed cameras. In addition the recent, well publicised, planning debacle surrounding the pavement along the B3004 does not give me confidence that all has been done to achieve safe pedestrian crossing over this road. I recall when Elsmore Construction was building ‘The Warrens’ that a Section106 Agreement was put in place for the provision of pedestrian refuge on B3004 and I request information regarding this and the exact reasons why this has not yet been put into place. I would particularly like to know which consents and permissions have been sought and any reasons given for their refusal. Paving I am very pleased that the paving is now underway from The Warrens to the corner of Hollywater Road. I would however like specific information as to why a perfectly good stretch of tarmac pavement has been dug up. We were led to believe that the money was to extend the path not dig up the existing one!!! I would like to know what proportion of the available funds was spent on this unnecessary exercise. I would also point out, from discussions with The National Trust, that over 20 years ago a similar scalpings pavement was laid all along the road right up to Hill House Hill where it met the Tarmac path there. This was for pedestrian safety reasons and was to be maintained at public expense rather than the national Trust. The promised maintenance never materialised and over two decades the grass has grown back through the scalpings, decimating the path. I suggest that just as it was a safety issue then - it is now. I believe that the money so unwisely spent on replacing this perfectly adequate tarmac pavement should be reimbursed and reallocated on extending the scalping path to allow safe walking and cycling into Liphook. Dawn Hoskins

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Katy C (8th Apr 2008 - 07:54:10) Dawn I was also at the meeting and in particular was interested in what had happened to developer's contributions (the money builders pay to the council to improve local facilities as a sweetner for building many new houses). I was advised the details were on the EHDC website. Unfortunately I could not find them on there but did e-mail EHDC direct. They sent me back the following details which you may find interesting: ehdc_developers_contributions.pdf thanks Katy

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Chris Taylor (8th Apr 2008 - 18:39:30) I can't believe that Passfield will not benefit from the village "30" scheme! Was an explanation given as to what made some beaurocrat decide that lives and safety are worth less than the cost of a few sign-posts? I thought that Passfield was a village and therefore no less deserving of consideration than the others that are in line for traffic calming. What way do these fools think?! Can we appeal?

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - nikki (8th Apr 2008 - 20:06:41) Apparently Passfield is not defined as a village. We also do not meet the criteria to warrant inclusion into the village 30 scheme (not enough housing frontage along the road). Although ,I found it quite interesting today when driving through Compton (near godalming), they have a 30 mph limit as your coming out of the village/hamlet towards the main compton straight. I likened this stretch of road to Passfield, quite similar in its position (running straight through the middle of compton) , although yes they do appear to have this frontage to warrant the speed limit through the village/hamlet, i didnt think that once you'd driven through compton that the 30 mph would continue, which it does and for quite a long way too.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (9th Apr 2008 - 09:01:39) Nikki, I can understand the situation of Passfield, but I do not think that Compton is in any way similar to it. It is a village, (much larger) and has multiple housing and village hall, pub (may be 2) right on the edge of the road, together with a couple of retail outlets. Also they have a far greater traffic load. I travel through both places (my father lives at Wonnersh), and Passfield is much, much quieter. I think that the proposed 40 would indeed make a great difference to that streatch of road. Most of it is already 40 and the logical move is to unify the rest. This is of course only my opinion.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - nikki (9th Apr 2008 - 09:25:52) Like I said, as your approaching the compton straight (coming out of the village towards godalming) it continues as a 30 mph but like Passfield, doesnt have the frontage. Im not talking about the frontage in the village centre.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (9th Apr 2008 - 22:16:32) Perhaps the placement of the 30 sign is more benificial for those entering the village - not those leaving it!. Unfortunately both sides have to have equal speed restrictions and for one direction it may appear silly to the other sensible.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Chris Taylor (10th Apr 2008 - 11:15:15) According to that logic the whole of Lindford and much of Hill House Hill (Barmshot to Liphook end) should be 30mph.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (10th Apr 2008 - 18:56:16) Chris Sorry, you have totally lost me on your point of logic? What logic are you referring to?

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (10th Apr 2008 - 20:49:48) Having said how wonderful it was that the path had started to be fixed up – must have jinxed it. Trying hard not to break my bloody neck getting off the SWT bus, walking along in the pitch black, negotiating barriers and tripping on a load of old stones but am getting a bit fed up when the workmen seem to have disappeared off the face of the planet……. [breaks into Pink Floyd song] Is there anybody out there?

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (11th Apr 2008 - 09:34:18) Dawn Try a current song- 'Chasing Pavements' - very good and more apt. LOL

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Chris Taylor (11th Apr 2008 - 10:09:07) Sue, I was referring to the 30mph limit applying to other roads with house frontages. Lindford is still 40 and so is much of Hill House Hill (make that 60/70). I was referring to the logic behind the speed limit decisions by the Highways Authorities, not your explanation.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (11th Apr 2008 - 11:55:35) Stunned...there is logic????????

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (11th Apr 2008 - 15:09:24) Chris, I am not questioning your logic. I find in general that ‘regular human beings’ are very capable of possessing such attributes. From my brief study of humans who choose to represent us as members of ‘official bodies.’ It would seem that it is initially their drive and determination to help us which pushes them into these positions – as they feel they can make a difference. However, once they have arrived they soon find out that they are hamstrung by policy and finances. But worse than that, they are no longer free to discuss the fact that they are hamstrung!!! I take my hat off to all of our councillors who, I know, work their socks off trying to improve our lives, it is often not their fault when almighty cock-ups occur, or money is misspent / mismanaged etc etc. It would be nice if EVERYONE was accountable and no one was hamstrung – then we would be able to find out who is making these decisions which affect our lives so drastically. But ranks close in and as members of the public we are not given the right to have this knowledge. Heaven forbid! People might complain to the right person!! Or worse, people who don’t do their jobs properly might get the sack!!

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Barry Hope (11th Apr 2008 - 17:14:28) Dawn Sadly, you have painted a very accurate picture of the way things are in some councils. I have personal experience of the way "ranks close in" when anyone, especially another councillor, questions other councillors or the staff about processes, actions or decisions. I did just that (questioned from within) when I was a councillor and chairman of the parish council until May last year. The ranks closed so fast you would not believe. So much so that certain councillors and staff, still in office now will not speak to, or acknowledge me when they see me in the village and at meetings. I think this is totally disrespectful, discourteous and unprofessional and it is no wonder that members of the public end up distrusting decisions made and the motives of some councillors in office. This should not deter you or anyone else however, from continuing to ask questions and to demand answers to issues that affect the lives of all of us in the community. It is not an automatic right to be a councillor but instead is a privilege which has to be earned by respect and trust. All councillors at whatever level are there because we put them there and it should be remembered that it is us, the public that they serve, not the other way round. Keep up the good work. Regards Barry

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (11th Apr 2008 - 18:58:08) Barry Well said. But if my memory serves me right the last time the election should have been held there were not enough candidates and members were then co-opted on. Their position was not accepted by anyone other than those already with seats. (I believe you upset too many to be considered back!!) Now I am not saying those were not worthy - indeed some have proved their status by their own actions - some have remained very silent. Until the general public have faith and trust in those representing them is it any wonder that so few wish to step forward? I was intending to make the meeting - but due to family resistance had to bow out, and that was probably the right thing to do - as it wouldnt have made a single difference anyway. I never thought I would be the kind to accept apathy but he ho the council deserve no better!!

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - nikki (12th Apr 2008 - 11:27:52) lol @ chasing pavements Sue, that's about right! made me smile!

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Katy C (14th Apr 2008 - 16:12:33) Hi Sue Sorry you feel "the council deserve no better" than apathy. Can't speak for you of course but I have always found them helpful and willing to help where possible. Of course they can't perform miracles - not all of the time anyway :) I attended the meeting (the first I have ever been to) and was somewhat surprised and dismayed to see only about nine other members of the puplic there, one being the county councillor I think. I guess this sums up the apathy in Liphook and surrounding areas. If people really had any grievances surely they would turn up, or send a representative, or contact the council office direct? I did raise a couple of issues and did get answers so can't really complain. Barry, you seem to have some personal issues/grievances with certain members of the council. Fair enough I suppose but is this really the place to air them? I don't suppose it will get you a response and it just makes you sound like an old moaner. Sorry but as far as I can see you had your problems and have aired your grievances on here before. If you don't have anything new to add then get over it and stop wasting your time repeating the same old gripes. I guess the only thing you can do if it upsets you so much is take it up with the people concerned, get it sorted and move on. Dawn, I really symathise with your plight regard the pavements at Passfield. I would love to see a cycle/pavement path built between Liphook and Passfield along Hill House Hill etc. I don't think it's beyond the realms of fantasy in the future and would press for developer's contributions to be spent on this. It would hopefully encourage more pedestrians/cyclists between Passfield and Liphook especially with the business parks at Passfield and the local schools in Liphook. Just my dream for the future as I did try to walk to Passfield but felt the unmade pavement after Conford was too much like dicing with death. Got the bus in the end but then ended up in the mud once I got off at Passfield, but that's another story............

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Chris Tyalor (14th Apr 2008 - 19:09:45) Dawn, You stated that "...We were informed by Sam James that the definition of ‘Village’ does not incorporate Passfield and we are no longer in line for the ‘Village 30’ scheme. ..." So does this mean that EHDC told the PC that this was the case and end of story? If so what happened to EHDC's accountability to the community that they serve? Decisions like this should involve local opinion and should not be made unilateraly. Does anyone from the PC know what we can do now to appeal against this rediculous decision?

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (14th Apr 2008 - 20:16:28) Kathy I am glad that the issues you have raised have been satisfactory for you - perhaps they have been minor issues. I am sure there are more who are satisfied too. The real point is that many people do not TRUST what councillors say - I for one have first hand experience. When you are reassured (and trust) that something will not affect you or others in any way and the reality is that it DOES, what other conclusions can you draw. The point about accepting apathy for myself is that attending the meeting would solve absolutely NOTHING so the question to you is what would have been the point - just to debate something that has already happened - then I would have been criticised in the same manor as Barry for not getting over it and getting on with it. As a community people want to think they can complain or would like to - but as soon as they do, shoot them down as though they are a fair ground attraction!!. When I say in general most people distrust councils - that’s not just Liphook, I have had many discussions with people from Hayling, Bordon/whitehill, Alton, Haslemere and Farnham, who always say the same things!! Why do you think that would be? If it is of any interest to you, we have moved on from the disaster of events last March/April - even though we have lived with it for a year. I feel totally vindicated in every single thing I pointed out and knew the consequences of what would happen. The result is visible to anyone in Liphook. On the bright side, I am sure there will always be situations that some will find satisfactory, in the future I would like to discover that for myself - but until then I remain a great sceptic. I apologise is this sound personal, its not intended to. Sue

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Barry Hope (14th Apr 2008 - 21:26:11) Katy I am glad that your experiences have been very positive with the council. There will be a lot of people that share your views, just as I know there are a lot that share mine. I am not saying that all councillors deserve criticism and I do know that the majority do a really good job driven by a desire to serve the community and deserve our praise. The comments I made however were not, as you implied, based on personal issues but on issues that any member of the public would be concerned about were they in receipt of the facts. Are you really saying that if a member of the public has concerns about the way a council operates or the decisions it makes, that they should just keep quiet for fear of being classed as an old moaner. You must be really lucky if you have nothing to moan about with regards to local or national politcal issues or is it that you don't want to be seen as an old moaner? As long as we live in a democracy and are entitled to free speech, I will continue to voice my concerns for as long as I have them and as long as issues exist. If that makes me an old moaner then so be it, I would rather have my say and stand up for what I believe in than listen to people like you who tell me to keep quiet. If we all kept quiet and said nothing when we have concerns it would lead us in a full circle back to apathy.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (15th Apr 2008 - 11:40:35) I would also like to say that as soon as I have a reply from the Chairman (to whom I e-mailed my letter as he asked me to) about the matters raised, I will fill you in. As of yet, I have not received a response from the Chairman, but I do not read anything negative into that. If he is to find out answers to my questions (of which there were quite a few) he will need some time, and I am quite happy to wait for a correct answer than to jump to conclusions. I would also like to point out that asking questions; chasing up non-action; highlighting problems etc is not moaning. That is what our councillors are there to help us with. If no one goes to these meetings and no one speaks - then no one has any right whatsoever to criticize what is happening around us. I too was astounded that so few people attended the annual meeting. Apart from Barry and his wife and (ex)councillor Fulcher, I think there was 5 people representing the entire community!! That is why I felt particularly dismayed that the inflexible agenda made it impossible to speak. Of course, I know I was late and that was my fault (I’m sure all Liphook commuters know how it feels to be stranded at Haslemere). Oh..Just one more thing…. I think this is exactly the forum for discussing all issues that concern us. If there has been behaviour not becoming of a councillor - then that concerns me, and you and everyone who is represented by such persons. I for one have not heard of what Barry is talking about and was very shocked that he would be treated in that way. This open forum serves us as a community very well. I know that our councillors read it as does our MP James Arbuthnot. It should be used by anyone who has a point to make / or an axe to grind as it promotes discussion and brings hidden issues to the forefront. If it comes across that I am moaning (or anyone else for that matter) I am sorry as that may mean that I have phrased my words without enough thought – but if my point is made then I am happy regardless of the tone of voice used. As members of the public – we can moan – we are allowed. Councillors however are unable to express their dissatisfaction with the ‘upper-echelons’ and that (I believe) is often why we think they have failed us. They only fail us when the system fails them, I’m sure they don’t set out to bring us bad news, why would they waste their time doing the job otherwise? I think they should NAME and SHAME when things go wrong instead of trying to cover it up.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Sue (15th Apr 2008 - 18:56:38) Dawn I would like to endorse your last point. We all make mistakes, but by closing ranks, silence and sometimes indifference, is not the way to deal with it. No one likes to hear the truth, but the truth is something tangible, and you can work on that. I can only see the role of closing ranks is to support those who have made errors, and by supporting them, in return they would support you. Not a very satisfactory system. You only have to look at any Governing body to see it there, so is it any wonder that the same situation has spread down the tree! Many worthy individuals have found themselves expendable to save the **** of a bigger fish!!

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn (17th Apr 2008 - 13:29:36) Just to let you know that I still haven’t heard anything from the Chairman. Perhaps I should have printed it off in hard copy and taken it to the Parish Office rather than just send the letter by e-mail. As I know a lot of people are concerned about these issues, I will do that over the weekend and keep you all updated as to any responses that I get. I think it likely that he has not got my e-mail as I wouldn’t normally expect a general response to take so long – especially with e-mail - where you normally fire off a confirmation of receipt straight away.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (21st Apr 2008 - 19:57:30) I received a written response to my letter on the 17 April. Although the response does not give answers to my questions, The Chairman has passed it on to The County and District Councillors and also to the Roads Policing Unit. He has assured me that he will let me know when the next Highways Forum and hopefully some of the questions I was wanting answers to will be addressed then? I have précised his response, but it is largely as follows: The annual meeting is a place for questions rather than debate. Passfield Business Centre: Contact Highways. No info on Travellers. Hollywater Road / Lynchborough Road: Temporary Speed Indicator devices have been requested for a number of places in the parish. The letter doesn’t mention Hollywater expressly so I am not sure if a request has actually been made for this junction? B3004: Improvements are on-going. The letter does not say what these are though, so your guess is as good as mine !? Pavements from Passfield to Hillhouse Hill: Any queries should be addressed to the local Highways Office.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Barry Hope (22nd Apr 2008 - 14:09:17) Hi Dawn Thanks for the update, it is good you got some information from the council. Are you going to approach the HCC Highways department for further information or direct your questions on to Sam James, the County Councillor for this area, who may be able to assist you with your unanswered questions? Best wishes Barry

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn (23rd Apr 2008 - 14:44:14) To be honest I hadn't really thought that far! I do want to have answers to my questions and despite getting a response, I don't think I have any answers at all!!! I may just copy the entire letter out and send it to both the above. Dawn

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - sue (23rd Apr 2008 - 18:36:40) Dawn, I dont think you had the answers you were looking for either - but you did have what is normally issued from the Parish office - go elsewhere for the information/answers. I am beginning to understand that the Parish office has such limited powers and as Barbara post states they are all unpaid, so perhaps they do not have the time to trawl through paperwork, and are just the very thin end of the wedge. Perhaps the whole system should be overhauled, and we have an office where anyone with any questions can have a total picture - if that means more paid staff then should that not be the case. Too many times we are told to take our questions elsewhere. That is why we get back to the point of apathy - there is very little that the office can do - except orangise the killing of rats and poop scoop!!.

Re: Annual Parish Meeting - Dawn Hoskins (24th Apr 2008 - 14:18:45) mmmmmmmm………. I think you have hit the nail on the head. These people give up their time for nothing and continue to hold down full time jobs. I suspect that they want the information just as much as we do but are stonewalled when they ask for it. How about when Nikki was trying to get to the bottom of the Passfield non-application of panning permission fiasco – she was told by the person in charge that the delay was caused by frogs!! Bloody liars It must be quite soul destroying for our councillors and I’m sure they feel like they are banging their heads against the wall – especially as we know they are not allowed to ‘spill the beans’ on those who either refuse to give them info or deliberately give them ‘duff’ information (in the full knowledge that this will get passed on to parishioners). This is why I think it is better to be a non councillor – I am not sworn to secrecy and can shout as loud as I blinking well want to. I can make my views known in the local press and on this site (which I know is read by councillors) without fear of reprisal – and I will continue to do so about any matter I think is important. I don’t care what people think about me. Part of me wants to get into the council to try to change things – but I don’t believe that it is broken from the bottom up – I think it is broken from the top down. The whole system is stuck in some sort of archaic time warp –– it is not transparent and no one seems to be accountable for anything – despite the fact that OUR TAXES are being spent. The system needs a wholesale kick up the arse to bring it into this century – but it cannot be done from the bottom – only by addressing these issues from the top – and that my friend is why it will never happen!! In the mean time our parish councillors have to work with the tool they have been given and follow the rules set [a generation ago]. We may not like it, but the only way to change things is to try to understand how it works and why it works that way. That is what I am trying to do. I thought I could ask these questions [see top of page] at the annual parish meeting and through trial and error, I now know that I can’t. I will carry on until I find out – especially why money was spent digging up a path in order to re-lay the same path which as far as I am concerned is misappropriation of funds. I know that the system is frustrating, and if only the councillors where free to speak on these matters – I am sure they would say that they are also driven mad by the antiquated and inflexible nature of the whole organisation.

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