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Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (17th Jul 2020 20:39:27)

The front-page article yesterday revealing the antics of both the Conservative Group and EHDC in blatantly protecting absent Councillor Rebecca Standish is truly sickening. This should be concerning for all decent and fair-minded people.This article totally exposes the undemocratic shilly-shallying and deceit that is being perpetrated upon the electorate. Who in their right mind can countenance this nonsense? I would urge everyone to read this excellent piece of journalism.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Gabriel Pilkington (18th Jul 2020 13:29:40)

Hilarious Hotspur if not a member of the Trots is certainly a member of the Just Another Conspiracy Party. Who along with the Fib Dems should all get together and form a Mad Hatters Tea Party, this could be conducted in the eerie tree top retreat of the deranged professor. The badly written article in the Liphook Herald is a classic illustration of false news. Picking on a hard working Councillor is despicable. Shame on you.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (18th Jul 2020 16:05:40)

Gabriel, it is troubling that you find the observations I make hilarious. I always try to be objective and avoid being disrespectful and never resort to name calling, which I consider to be the politics of the playground. I presume the Liphook Herald run everything through their legal team. Because of the ever-present risk of litigation. Which particular aspects of their article do you consider false news and badly written? I repeat again, I am a paid-up, if disenchanted member of the Conservative Party. But will not be renewing my membership in protest at what I consider the underhanded and deceitful behaviour of the ruling Conservative Group. I shall be writing to David Henderson and CCHQ.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Mike Edwards (18th Jul 2020 23:19:16)

It doesn’t look like false news to me. Councillor Standish moves 70 miles away and doesn't put her address or telephone number on the council's website so we wouldn't even know where she was if the Liphook Herald hadn't found out and told us. According to her attendance record on the council’s website Councillor Standish has attended just one meeting in the last six months, the meeting of the joint human resources committee, whatever that is, on July 13 exactly as the article says.
And as for Gabriel saying she is a hard working councillor Mrs Standish is only on one Committee, the Licensing Committee. Her attendance record shows that she should have been at three meetings and she missed all of them!

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Grant (19th Jul 2020 00:00:29)

gabriel I hope you are being ironic. Councillor Standish has not attended meetings
Long before the lockdown, can you name any project for Liphook she is involved with? I am not a member of any party just want some accountability for my council tax.


Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- D (19th Jul 2020 07:45:56)

Do we really still need parish councils these days? They are an archaic remnant of a time when you had to ask the vicar's permission to travel beyond the boundaries of the parish. The things they do could easily be absorbed into E.H.D.C. and save us council tax payers some money. Take the Parish Council planning committee's meetings for example. The parish council do not decide yay or nay on planning applications so why bother having them? Little more than a talking shop.
I won't mention the appalling waste of money on the cobbled road surface put down on the roads in the square a few years ago only to be torn up shortly after. I believe they were torn up because pot holes were appearing under the weight of the traffic, maybe that's why no other parish council has ever used them. There was one right outside the Anchor by the crossing that knocked the tracking out on my van and ruined a tyre. I wonder what happened to said cobbles after this.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (19th Jul 2020 10:29:51)

Here it comes again, desperate attempts by D to deflect away from the real issues. People who do not fulfil their role in public office should expect to come under scrutiny.

The most disturbing aspects of this whole sorry case is, it appears that EHDC are conniving with the leader of the council in protecting Councillor Standish. These unelected officials should be adhering rigidly to existing policies and not offering their own biased interpretation.

I found the extraordinary posting of Gabriel Pilkington enlightening and suggests panic and desperation. I do not dispute there are committed and hardworking Conservative Councillors. Unfortunately based on Rebecca Standish’s attendance record,she is not one of them.

The Conservative Group must now be questioning the wisdom of their own leader. My prediction is there is considerably more to be revealed about this disgraceful situation.The press will not be denied.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Mike Edwards (19th Jul 2020 21:22:01)

D is quite right. Parish councils are a thing of the past. But what that has got to do with District Councillor Standish? Our Parish councillors are not paid anything and all give their addresses and telephone numbers. Councillor Standish told the Council that she had moved on 4 April but did not give her new address or telephone number. She said she was a chef but didn't say who employed her.Why did she hide this?
Just two days later there was a bankruptcy order against her saying she was employed at the pub in Wiltshire. She had previously declared that she was employed at the Deers Hut but not that she later worked at the Chocolate Frog in Oakhanger, owned by Richard Millard, Leader of the Council.
Councillor Standish told the Herald that "The advice in terms of the council is it is fine for me to work and live here, and I have the full support of council and Conservative group leader Richard Millard"
The food at the Deers Hut was lovely and I wish Mrs Standish the best of luck at her new pub. But it is not up to the Leader of the Council to decide that his Conservative friends should be paid by us just for logging in to a Zoom meeting every couple of months while working in a pub 70 miles away.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (20th Jul 2020 09:20:36)

Mike Edwards. I believe you know quite a lot regarding this murky affair. Several other people have approached me with information. They are unwilling to disclose to EHDC. Supposing they are not acting either correctly or appropriately. I have a meeting scheduled with a knowledgeable person, an insider who is out of step with their antics. I am desirous to contact you privately via a journalist if you are willing?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Charlie (20th Jul 2020 14:16:11)

Just wondering, does anybody else think that Tom Hotspur may be an alias used by Don Jerrard, or possibly his twice convicted paedophile friend Jason Packer?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Dawn Hoskins (20th Jul 2020 15:51:56)

Talking about aliases, although I know nothing about Tom Hotspur

Angela - Angel - Angel Gabriel
Glass - Pilkington Glass

I think that people might be missing an important issue here [outside of Councillor Angela Glass turning into Gabriel Pilkington - which I have to admit is a lovely 'nom de plume']

Ms Standishs' true address was not given as it belonged to the Northcott's and I believe that Ms Standish was also working at Northcott's? (I am happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong).
Ordinarily, no one would give 2 hoots, but if a councillor is taking part in decisions relating to the Northcott's whilst living and possibly working for them - then that would be a serious conflict of interests.

Foley Lodge is owned by the Northcotts and the very large planning application submitted by the Northcotts (regardless of its merits and whether you like it or don't like it) should not have been decided upon by someone with such a massive conflict of interest.

We have these rules for a reason - to prevent situations arising which result in "'jobs for the boys"' (or houses in this case). Councillors put their 'true' addresses on the details of their personal interest for exactly ths reason. Councillors have a duty to recuse themselves (not take part in votes) when faced with any decision within which they have connections to like this.

I can see that she has clearly been paid for a long time without turning up, and I also think that takes the p**** . Taxpayers pay the wages for Councillors (apart from Parish Councillors who turn up for nothing). If they are expecting taxpayers to pay their wages they should at least be bothered to turn up.

In the old days, you only got paid if you turned up, it was called 'attendance allowance', That was to encourage our elected Councillors to do their jobs. I wish that would be brought back again.

If you want to be a Parish Councillor, you have to either live in the parish or work in the parish. I wonder why the same rule doesn't apply for paid councillors?

easthants.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/SDNP Weekly List 19-08-2019.pdf

Written by [shock horror - its my real name] Dawn Hoskins

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (20th Jul 2020 16:43:20)

‘Charlie’. I find it highly amusing that you accuse posters of being other people. It seems ‘open season’ for a small group of accusatory posters who are obviously in a state of panic, desperately attempting to detract from the real issues. I invite you or any of your cohort to highlight any of the information, regarding absent Councillor Rebecca Standish (no longer of this parish) that is in any way false, misleading, or inaccurate. Including the entire front page of the last issue of the Liss Herald. Please don't take the electorate for fools.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Paul Barrington (20th Jul 2020 17:49:31)

Tom Hotspur = Don Jerrard.

King of the keyboard warriors.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Charlie (20th Jul 2020 19:16:13)

Hi Tom, interesting that you choose not to answer my simple question, but choose to make silly accusations instead. If you prefer not to answer the question fair enough. By the way I am not part of any scared group nor have vested interests, just a curious citizen.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Dawn Hoskins (20th Jul 2020 21:41:50)

From my own personal perspective, if you’re doing a good job for this community then I don’t really care if you are Conservative, Liberal or labour (although I would prefer the Green party if I had to choose at the moment given the state of the planet – but realise there is a snowflakes chance in hell of that happening in this area).

But what I do care about are rules, which are put in place to protect us, getting trampled all over with, apparently, no repercussions whatsoever.

What is the point in having rules to prevent cronyism and ‘mates giving the ‘nod’ to mates’ if no one is prepared to enforce them?

When you are elected you have to sign a declaration of interests and you have to state things like what business you own, where you income comes from, who you work for, what companies you own, where you live and any other addresses in which you live or have an ‘interest’ etc etc etc. This is so that other councillors (and members of the public) can easily find out what properties you are connected to and then you have to take a ‘back seat’ on any decisions made in which there are connections to those properties. This is particularly important for planning permissions.

Cllr Standish owns Weavers Down Lodge and in 2016/17 was having all sorts of demolitions and building works there. She also owns ‘North Side Copse’. She is listed as the owner on planning applications despite it being transferred into a ‘’tax free British Virgin Islands company’’ and she still rents the property out.

Despite living in Foley Lodge and still owning Weavers Down Lodge and North Side Copse’, when elected in 2015 she gave her ONLY property ‘interest’ as another property she owned but was already renting out [Sweet Briar Farm].

She has lived in Foley Lodge since the start and it is owned by F.R.Northcott.

The way that the disclosure forms are set up is designed that any conflicts of interests are visible because they are public documents. You re meant to put down business relationships, pecuniary interests etc and councillors must also excuse themselves from decisions if the event their friends or acquaintances are involved – the do this to keep the whiff of being ‘biased’ at bay and to ensure transparency.

The Northcotts not only own Foley Lodge in which Cllr Standish lived from the start, but they also own Foley Manor Estate and the Deers Hut pub. Cllr Standish was employed by the Northcotts as the chef in their pub.

Seeing as she was living in a property owned by the Northcott family and working as a chef and a caterer for the Northcotts, she should most definitely not have been involved with any of the planning applications etc that were submitted by the Northcott family. That is just simple common sense.

However, as she had not disclosed any of these ‘interests’ it seems no one challenged her decision to take a lead role in the Bramshott and Liphook Neighbourhood Development Planning Steering Group as the representative of EHDC.

Property developers have a vested interest in getting their land, or their ideas, included in Neighbourhood Plans. They will often lobby these groups and give polished presentations about how great their plans are and how brilliant the villages concerned will be after they’ve plonked hundreds of houses in it. Liphook has been no different and the Northcott's massive application has been no different. They have a vested interest in their own applications.

During the Neighbourhood Development Plan meetings, the Northcott's housing application was discussed extensively and instead of excusing herself – Cllr Standish took a lead role in the Steering Committee knowing full well that she had massive conflicts of interest and that by not declaring them she ran the risk of throwing the entire process into question and risked bringing both herself and the council into disrepute on the grounds of biased decision making.

All of the members on this committee filled out their ‘Declaration of Interests’ forms, and quite rightly so. Except…….you guessed it…..Cllr Standish.

I’ve got no problem with business people owning numerous properties, all power to your elbow I say, but I do have a problem with deliberately refusing to disclose your interests when every rule and regulation says you must.

Some rules are there for a putpose - this is one of them. It is way more important than the fact that she hasn't bothered to show up for meetings whilst being paid to do so.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (21st Jul 2020 08:26:45)

Charlie, whoever you may be. I will not dignify your fatuous comments with a reply. The information posted by Dawn Hoskins reveals potential criminality and should be investigated by the police. If Dawns information is correct this could implicate many other individuals. Cllr. Standish should resign immediately. If not, she should have the whip withdrawn by the leader of the council. Because of the Herald’s suggestion of collusion by EHDC. This whole murky affair should be independently and thoroughly investigated.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Grant (21st Jul 2020 11:45:23)

As someone above has pointed out the conservatives are desperate not to have a by-election. The head of the licensing commitee at EHDC is liphook councillor Charles William Mouland and Rebecca Standish is a member of that commitee. Do not know how many meetings she has attended. Charles will know.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (21st Jul 2020 13:24:37)

Here is a golden opportunity for Gabriel Pilkington, Paul Barrington and of course Charlie to refute the serious allegations made against Councillor Rebecca Standish. Come on guys instead of making wild unsubstantiated accusations to divert away from the real issues. Let us hear your side of this shameful situation.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Ian (21st Jul 2020 15:47:47)

Tom/Don? - A lot of Dawns statement is incorrect.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (21st Jul 2020 16:41:25)

Ian, thank you for replying. It would be helpful if you could identify which aspects you feel are incorrect or untrue.? Again for the benefit of doubt I am a paid up member of the Conservative Party. I hardly think Cllr. Jerrard would be, do you?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Ian (21st Jul 2020 17:38:48)

Quite frankly Tom/Don, I don't believe you!

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (21st Jul 2020 18:49:28)

Frankly, Ian I don’t really care. You appear yet another anonymous poster who casts aspersion and contributes absolutely nothing meaningful to the post. Have a wonderful evening.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Boris Bystander (22nd Jul 2020 22:25:01)

I can categorically assure anyone that Don Jerrard cannot be a member of the Conservative Party as he is the founding member and Leader of the JAC Party which is registered as such with the Electoral Commission so, de facto, cannot be a Tory Party member. I can also assure you that he may be the East Hants Don Quixote and as such, maybe gets up the noses of a lot of folk, BUT they are mostly those whose noses should be put out of joint. It seems to me that Hampshire throughout is one of the most corrupt bastions of what is worst in the Tory Nasty Party which somebody at CCHQ needs to realise PDQ.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Paul Robinson (23rd Jul 2020 06:57:32)

From my reading of Cervantes' eponymous novel, our hero spent much of his time 'tilting at windmills' believing them to be imaginary enemies.

Some mistake surely?

Paul Robinson

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (23rd Jul 2020 14:14:57)

The plot of Don Quixote, a Spanish novel written in 1605, Considered a founding work of modern western literature, The novel's message that individuals can be right while society is wrong was considered radical. Looking at the postings on the JAC party web site, many posted more than a year ago. it would appear the assertions made are proving to be accurate and truthful. People are very quick to call Don Jerrard out and disrespect him and his party. But I have not seen one statement or shred of evidence offered to repudiate the claims he makes. Thank goodness there are still individuals with sufficient moral compass to test and challenge what they believe to be wrong.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Grant (23rd Jul 2020 14:41:02)

Unfortunately it will always be a case of kill the messenger or whistleblowers. It is only by shining a light into the dark corners of district council politics we find out that the rules applied to the rest of the country and local councillors do not seem to apply to the Conservatives in EHDC. Our council tax is high enough and we should ask questions, I believe as Dawn thinks that planning deals are behind this.
It was not that many years ago that several of the planning officers including head of planning were found to be corrupt.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (23rd Jul 2020 16:42:03)

Grant, I absolutely agree with you. Now here is an offer to the detractors who accuse me of being Councillor Jerrard or a paedophile. I will deposit a £1000 pounds with the local Vicar, Headmaster, or other mutually agreed person of good character. I will produce my passport and conservative party membership card and prove definitively I am not Councillor Jerrard. They should deposit the same amount to be paid to the charity of my choice when they are proved wrong. Let us see who the keyboard warriors are. How about it, Paul Barrington. Ian and Charlie?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Alfamale (23rd Jul 2020 18:04:02)

Tom Hotspur, you accuse Ian of being another "anonymous poster" so why not remove your mask and tell us who you are, "tonight Matthew..." and all that

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (23rd Jul 2020 18:49:45)

Read my previous post. Very happy to see money going to the Liphook food-bank You guys seem convinced I am Cllr. Jerarard. Step out of your dark corner and come into the light, put your money where your mouth is.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (25th Jul 2020 08:27:27)

None of you keyboard warriors ready to take me up on my challenge. Your deafening silence speaks absolute volumes.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Dawn Hoskins (26th Jul 2020 16:05:17)

I am very happy to stand corrected and make full apologies if I have said anything that is not true.

I don't think I have - but if you think I have please just let me know.

We haven't even touched on the subject of being a declared 'bankrupt' and still being deemed capable of working as a councillor.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- bridget the elder (26th Jul 2020 22:19:16)

There's something very odd about all of this. As a long term resident of Liphook, I cannot see why Councillor Standish should want to stay on the council when she has moved to a pub 70 miles away and says she has no plans to come back to Liphook. And why is her address and telephone number not on the EHDC website like all other councillors? It seems to me that she just wants to take the money and the Conservatives don't want an election in case someone who doesn't want houses on Weavers Down and Bohunt Manor gets elected.
She obviously needs the money because she was made bankrupt on 6 April, two days after she put in a new declaration of interest with her address redacted. The bankruptcy order
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3549221
says she worked and lived at the Shears Inn and formerly lived at 1 Ottawa Drive Liphook and Foley Lodge, Liphook.
The District councils website shows that an application by Mr Northcott for an extension of Foley Lodge was passed in October 2019. Mr Northcott’s agent was Chantal Foo. The Liphook Herald reported in November 2019 that Harrow Estates had submitted a draft document to Bramshott and Liphook's neighbourhood plan committee submitting their vision for Liphook with 600 houses on the land owned by Mr Northcott’s family trust. The parish council website shows that this was considered by the neighbourhood plan committee at their November meeting. Only four members were present Chantal Foo, Jeanette Kirby, Roger Miller and Councillor Standish. Councillor Mouland was also present.
So the proposal on behalf of Mr Northcott was considered by Chantal Foo and Councillor Standish. There were no interests declared at the meeting. Ms Foo did not declare that she was Mr Northcott's agent. Councillor Standish did not declare that she had lived at Foley Lodge, owned by Mr Northcott, for four years and had worked for several years at the Deers Hut , also owned by Mr Northcott.
Just what is going on? Why didn't Councillor Standish say that she had this close business relationship with Mr Northcott? Jeanette Kirby is Chairman of the Parish council. Did she know? Shouldn't we be told?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Penny Williamson (27th Jul 2020 09:49:15)

@Dawn as you seem to be in the mood for apologies I think you should apologise to Angela Glass for your unsubstantiated and unfounded insinuation that she posted under the alias of Gabriel Pilkington.

If you have evidence or proof of this then let us hear it. If not apologise to this dedicated, hardworking and trustworthy councillor. I doubt very much whether Angela Glass reads Liphook Talkback let alone posts on it.

I would also suggest that it might be more productive and less inflammatory if you went through the proper channels with your concerns about EHDC, its decisions and its councillors instead of posting long and rambling posts on this site.

@bridge the elder, you state that "the Conservatives don't want an election in case someone who doesn't want houses on Weavers Down and Bohunt Manor gets elected." They could not have any election at the moment because of Covid and I would also say to you that if you have concerns approach the people who can help you ie EHDC officials. They do have a Legal Department.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Bridget the elder (27th Jul 2020 10:59:00)

Penny i think you owe me an apology my name is not BRIDGE may be you think my post is that way inclined. Why so quick to find fault everyone has there own views. Have you not thought that one could hit the conservative buffers again going through the legal department as It’s all part of EHDC.
I thought Dawn’s reasoning was very good and gave me a laugh She can be on my team in a quiz night !!

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (27th Jul 2020 11:41:08)

Ms.Williamson, your indignation is typical of an administration being subject the scrutiny of the electorate and media. A previous poster’s logical deduction of the identity of an anonymous poster is insignificant. Your cohort’s pathetic attempts to distract from the real issues is profoundly disturbing. I myself have been accused of being Cllr. Don Jerrard and a convicted paedophile! My offer to the supporters of Cllr. Rebecca Standish (no longer of this parish) For me to identify myself along with my passport and Conservative Party membership card. With the loser paying a £1000 to the charity of the others choice, surprise, surprise has been ignored! I would have thought following accusations of collusion by the local press it would have been obvious why complaints made to EHDC would be viewed with the greatest suspicion. The information posted by ‘Herald’ today appears to assert widespread wrongdoing within the Conservative administration extending beyond just one Councillor. The sooner a full and independent investigation is carried out the better.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Grant (27th Jul 2020 11:49:50)

Penny, Councillor Glass has posted on here as has Charles Bill Mouland. I agree Councillor Glass is hardworking, does not mean that she did not defend absent Councillor Standish as Gabriel Pilkington does it? Do you have proof then it is someone else? Please produce it.

After investigation I can confirm that “Gabriel Pilkington” was very unlikely to have been used by Angela Glass.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- rolli (27th Jul 2020 12:44:04)

all seems a bit odd to me, clearly some funny going ons although looking at similar posts on the talkback archive it seems the originators are no angels, reminds me of the Nazi regime prosecuting over zealous SS offers of corruption.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Bill Mouland (27th Jul 2020 14:02:27)

For the record, I did attend a meeting of the Neighbourhood Plan steering group on Tuesday November 12, 2019.
There was neither discussion, nor consideration, of any proposals by the Northcott family trust. Indeed, it was not even on the agenda as you can see below.

There was some comment about a proposal for houses at Northbrook Park which is in Bentley near the border with Farnham.

bramshottandliphookndp.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Minutes-2019_11_12.pdf

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- rolli (27th Jul 2020 14:53:44)

Tom, lets meet at the front of the Anchor at 10am on Saturday 1st August. No need for silly games regarding payment, just turn up with your passport and then I will vouch for you on Talkback. I will be wearing a bright red rosette so you wont miss me

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- James (27th Jul 2020 15:19:59)

With our current first past the post voting system it seem unlikely even with the conservatives bending the rules somewhat for councillor Standish, with our current voting system nothing is going to change even if they put this seat back up for vote. They have 75% of the seats here on just under 50% of the vote in 2019. In 2015 they basically had all the seats bar 2 on 61% of the vote! No wonder we have such an issue in the country with people saying they are not represented and losing interest politics. Personally I would like to vote green and appalled that the current system means we have no green representatives on the council. But seems nothing will be done to release us from our 2 party system.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (27th Jul 2020 16:26:11)

Rolli thanks for the offer. But it will cost you a £1000 to see my Passport and Tory party membership card. The grand to go straight to the Liphook Food Bank. "No silly games" said the anonymous Rolli.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- rolli (27th Jul 2020 17:31:11)

Ah-ha Tom, so you don't want to meet up and prove you are who you say? So to quote you "You appear yet another anonymous poster who casts aspersion and contributes absolutely nothing meaningful to the post" Hypocrite as well!

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (28th Jul 2020 09:07:28)

Au contraire rolli. The offer still stands, just put your hand in your pocket and I will gladly meet you. But do keep watching this link. I have now received a reply to my FOI questions from EHDC…. ‘Oh, what a tangled web we weave in order to deceive.’ The plot thickens and darkens. I am now considering my options in view of these new revelations. If ever an independent investigation was required, it’s into this dirty business.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- rolli (28th Jul 2020 11:04:43)

Tom (or whoever) you have shown your true colours and lost all credibility, no point continuing with you, - Roland Peillko.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (28th Jul 2020 13:38:10)

Roland, Thank you for your warped opinion. Thankfully, we almost live in a democracy! I would remind you of the wise words of Edmund Burke; “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Ian (28th Jul 2020 15:58:13)

Not that wise Tom as it’s wildly disputed that that quote was actually made by Burke!

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (29th Jul 2020 09:03:18)

Ian, I question your motives in pointing that out. Unfortunately, it is a typical response from your cohort. Repeatedly attempting to divert from the real issues, presumably you disagree with the sentiment expressed. Smoke and mirrors will not disguise the appalling conduct of both the Conservative Group with the apparent collusion of EHDC.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Penny Williamson (29th Jul 2020 09:36:45)

What Edmund Burke actually said is as follows:

"Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.

–Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999)."

|My question is who are the really bad, muckspreading people in this sorry saga?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (29th Jul 2020 10:34:50)

Penny Williamson, here we go again diversion and spin. Kindly point out to the readership which of the allegations you consider to be untrue. Is the Liphook Herald wrong and the other posters who apparently have definitive evidence of wrongdoing and misbehaviour? Do you have knowledge or perhaps inside information or are you just a sycophantic supporter?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Ian (29th Jul 2020 10:44:50)

Tom, my motive was to highlight you’re not as bright or honest as you would like to think you are! Regardless of Standish’s alleged wrongdoings I think you lack integrity and honesty and are motivated not by civic duty but by personal animosities.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Grant (29th Jul 2020 12:29:29)

I think anyone who dares question the conservatives in EHDC or Liphook will not be listened to, any upright person will soon be smeared.
If the message is untrue and these things have not happened, the Herald would not dare report on it. Even if you are correct and there is an ulterior motive I believe that ulterior motive could be more altruistic that some of those tories who do the land deals in private.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (29th Jul 2020 13:14:07)

Ian, remarkably revealing that you can attempt to pre-judge anyone without ever meeting them. It shows a disturbingly bizarre and prejudiced mind set. I have to the best of my knowledge never met you or Cllr. Standish. I wish her luck with her serious financial problems. Unfortunately, which appear to have affected her judgement and ability to fulfil the vital role of an elected, paid councillor. Her none- attendance record speaks volumes and should be of concern to all council taxpayers. Her failure to make statutory declarations of interest if proven to be true are not only shocking but could be criminal. The initial thread was about the article featured in the Liphook Herald. Plus, other accusations contributed be various posters since. This prompted me to investigate further and initially my findings are interesting to say the least. Prima facia evidence would indicate a cover-up involving EHDC as reported in the Liphook Herald. My investigations will continue. But if you choose to shoot the messenger go ahead. I will not be deterred or intimidated.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Penny Williamson (29th Jul 2020 13:59:56)

Tom - I agree completely with Ian that your motives are questionable. I am not deterring or intimidating you in your so-called quest for the truth and justice just requesting you, yes, if you feel strongly that there has been wrongdoing, to pursue your investigations through the proper channels not through social media.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Ian (29th Jul 2020 15:41:03)

I am not a fan of either local or national politicians, in my experience across the left and right, they are, with a few exceptions a pitiful bunch of self serving individuals. I find this tends to get worse the smaller the party and especially those fringe party's with names spouting some cause! However I do think everyone is entitled to a fair trial or tribunal and it is one of the challenges of our society that individuals, hiding behind fake identities can sling unproven or unfounded allegations across the internet without the need to either verify their identity or provide any proof (Grant just because you have read it in The Herald does not make it a fact!). It will be a sad day when people are accused and then assumed guilty based on what has been read on the internet, social media or in newspapers.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (29th Jul 2020 17:33:36)

Ian and Penny Williamson. Perhaps we can agree on something? If EHDC stick to their own agreed Policies and Procedures. That are clearly prescribed and extant, and the whole situation is investigated fairly and thoroughly we will all stand by that adjudication. Can we agree on that?

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Ian (29th Jul 2020 20:45:13)

If councillor Standish has done wrong then this needs to be dealt with in the proper way, and that is not by malicious individuals spreading poisonous bile over the Internet, on that we can agree!

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Penny Williamson (30th Jul 2020 09:14:17)

Totally agree with Ian - could not have put it better myself, so perhaps Tom you will stop these vile posts and continue your investigation through the proper channels and not through social media ie in this case Liphook Talkback. Hopefully this will now be an end to this Thread.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (30th Jul 2020 14:19:22)

Ian and Penny Williamson, actually, it’s your posts that are dubious and defamatory. You attack at every given opportunity. Your posts answer no pertinent questions whatsoever. I remain polite and reasonable despite your questioning my integrity and intellect. I think the readership can determine who is actually vile. I will indeed pursue my investigation which are gaining substance by the day. Enjoy the sunshine storm clouds are gathering.

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Linda Morris (30th Jul 2020 16:17:03)

I am sorry, but I don't follow ANY of this, perhaps because I am fairly new here.

Who are:

Alfamale
Boris the Bystander
Tom Hotspur
D
Bridget the Elder
Gabriel Pilkington

Could these people please publish their real names.

I don't understand why Tom Hotspur appears to ask for one thousand pounds to reveal his identity, albeit he will give the money to charity. Why not just say who you are, because you may well have a valid argument anyway.

I don't follow the politics but it would be nice to know who is who. Please just say who you are

Many thanks
Linda Morris

Re: Absent councillor Rebecca Standish hits the front page of the Liphook Herald.
- Tom Hotspur (30th Jul 2020 17:26:55)

Linda Morris. I have been accused of being Councillor Jerrard and more significantly a paedophile, I am neither. I offered to show my passport and Conservative Party membership. Lodging a thousand pounds with the local Vicar or other trustworthy individual if they will do the same. The loser to donate that amount to a local charity of the others choice, in my case the Liphook Food Bank. Please read the entire thread. I wish you well.

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