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Why the conservatives party ? - Jack (10th Dec 2019 - 11:14:36) Why does East Hampshire love the conservatives so much? I’m 20 but decided not to vote because the conservative majority is way to high , so my vote won’t count but East Hampshire as many services under the conservatives watch ? There’s a new school in Bordon with the class rooms to small . We have lost services in chase hospital, poverty is rising dramatically, children sleeping on hospital floors seriously ill , a prime minster that cheats on every wife/partner he has and constantly lies to protect his back. A vote for the conservatives is a vote for a career politician. I want more police stations opened , children’s services properly financed to protect children in need , housing for everyone and most importantly this brexit mess sorted ! Why vote for the conservatives when they made this brexit mess ?. Child poverty is nearly a 69 year high under the conservatives party just stop and imagine if your kids were starving this Christmas in the 6th richest country in the world .

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Ryan (10th Dec 2019 - 13:35:51) All I can say is if everyone thinks their vote won't count for anything, we would never change anything. My vote has not mattered for the last 8 years, but ill be voting again this Thursday and it won't be for the Tories. You never know, maybe this election will be the election where the young turn up and make their votes count. I hope so.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Other Jack (10th Dec 2019 - 13:39:49) I have realised that there are two Jacks currently posting on Talkback - you are in your 20's, I am somewhat older! However, I agree with you entirely. A Daily Mail headline three days ago stated - Revealed: NHS cancer patients are being forced to endure worst waiting times since records began. The front pages since have been urging people to vote Tory, the party that has spectacularly mismanaged funding of the NHS. Do they take people for fools? Three week for a doctors appointment! Does anyone know where the nearest police station is? It will be hard to overturn the Tory majority in East Hampshire. The best bet here is to vote Lib Dem - harsh as that is for the Labour campaigners and the Justice Party. Voting for the others is just splitting the anti-Tory vote. Yes, it will likely lead to another hung parliament, but maybe that is what we need to avoid more Tory mishandling of public services and a crash-out Brexit at the end of 2020. Perhaps the parties will start talking to each other. Perhaps we will then get a Peoples Vote based on Boris' actual withdrawal deal. I read on BBC News today that 69 out of the last 70 national opinion polls suggest there would now be a remain majority, The current will of the people. Why don't we just find out and then move on either way.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Wendy (10th Dec 2019 - 14:21:01) Jack, if you don`t vote you shouldn`t moan - every vote counts!!

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Pete (10th Dec 2019 - 14:28:49) Jack, Just because you don't think a particular party can be beaten is no excuse for not voting, democracy is scraping the bottom of the barrel as it is and voter apathy just makes it worse. You have two options either vote Lib dems who have made real strides in east Hants and may have a chance or turn up and use your vote to spoil your ballot. It is a little known fact that spoiled paper are counted so if you are really disenfranchised rather than lazy this is a valid way to register your opinion.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Helen (10th Dec 2019 - 16:57:25) 4 of us in my house voting Lib Dem. I agree that considering the huge majority at the last election our votes might not make a difference but you never know. Get out and vote!

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - jaybee (10th Dec 2019 - 17:31:10) Jack. Don't not Vote VOTE. NONE OF THE ABOVE In that way you have let your feelings note

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - er (10th Dec 2019 - 18:44:38) don't be silly, every vote counts in proportional representation, not in first past the post. That's the whole point, keep a closed shop for the establishment!

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Another Resident (10th Dec 2019 - 20:06:10) After forty years of supporting Labour and voting Libs, whatever they call themselves now in to keep the Tories out, I have realised the stories I was told as a child are just that. The Tories are now for the real working man and not just for the benefit cheats. I have spent the last two years using the NHS and it has been amazing. Go to Petersfield A and E , nobody there. Use it or loose it. Guildford A and E Brilliant. Have also had loads of tests done ,could not fault it They have even spent money on nice purple colour chairs and all, which is a waste of money. The NHS is NOT run well. The youth are blindsided with left wing hysteria just like I was, and I fell for it. Look to Hong Kong , those young people are fighting for democracy. Stop spreading the socialist propagander we all have to grow up .

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Katie (10th Dec 2019 - 21:23:17) Jack, I feel your pain but please vote. They are not my first choice but I’m voting Lib Dem tactically in the hope that others will too. I’m in my 40’s and have never known a government to show such contempt towards the most vulnerable members of our society.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Paul (10th Dec 2019 - 22:46:03) Other resident Your sticking up for the tories and saying look at Hong Kong well its the UK’s legal duty to protect citizens rights in Hong kong under the joint sino declaration!. We promised in 1997 that Hong kong would never walk alone but the British government have done bugger all. I was stationed in Hong kong for 2 years and Hong kongers were so proud to be British it was unreal. I suggest the government stop hiding from Hong kongs issues and allow Hong kong BNO and there families into the UK . I have seen videos of a young woman being beaten black and blue by 6 HK police officers this was not the Hong kong I remember when we left in 1997 .

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Pete (11th Dec 2019 - 07:38:04) Another resident, I would suggest its more like the general population have been blinded by rabid right wing hysteria in the majority of the press. I'm glad you had a good experience of the NHS as they are trying in very difficult circumstances to do a good job but as someone who has sat in the back of an ambulance for 3hrs waiting to be admitted to EAU I can tell you that it is far from perfect. Your right it isn't well run and the buck stops at the top e.g the current government.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Julian (11th Dec 2019 - 12:12:53) 6.5 million migrants have registered with GPs in the last 10 years!! No wonder the NHS is in crisis! The last Labour government failed to predict this surge in immigration and their miscalculation has shaped British politics ever since. Public concern about large-scale immigration contributed to Labour’s electoral defeats in 2010 and 2015. Now Labour are placing the blame for the lack of NHS resources on the Tories? Really! Get a grip. Labor is all about mismanagement of anything they touch. They then leave a right mess for the Conservatives to sort out. The Conservatives are doing a good job and about the best of a bad lot to get this country sorted. They should be supported.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - James (11th Dec 2019 - 12:27:08) Time we all recognised that our voting system is not fit for purpose. First past the post can only support two main parties. It is no good us saying of course people should vote, when people know in most seats it doesn't matter what they vote they won't affect the result and will have no voice or representation. No new parties are allowed in this system as there is no way to grow a small party. It is shocking that large percentages of people voted UKIP or Green in the past elections and achieve 1 or no seats. They are given no voice. No wonder people came out to vote in the Brexit referendum who had never voted before when they knew their vote would actually count. We have never had a referendum of proportional representation in this country. Similar to the Brexit vote we need a referendum with a simple question. How about "Should the number of seats a party gets in Parliament be based on the the number of votes they get in the election"? Yes/No - If we get a "yes" to that, then we then have a citizens assembly to work out what the new voting system should look like. BTW I believe the Conservatives and Labour both know the current system is very unfair, however it suits them to ignore this injustice and carry on with a system that allows them to take power with a minority of the votes.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Pete (11th Dec 2019 - 13:15:06) Oh dear Julian, floored figures I'm afraid. you seem to have swallowed the party line hook line and sinker. Myself I cannot support a party which has a leader that is taking lying to the public to a whole new level.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - J (11th Dec 2019 - 13:56:31) Julian says the conservatives are doing a good job? They've had 9 years! Why didn't they sort out immigration in that time? (hint: because it's actually a good thing as all those coming do the jobs the brits don't want and contribute to the tax revenue more than they cost). The EU allows for us to restrict immigration but the UK government chose not to implement those options. All we get from the conservatives at the moment are lies - 60 new hospitals, 50000 new nurses (except 19000 are existing ones!), no border checks between Great Britain and NI (there will be some) etc. etc. How can you vote for this crap? I used to think the same that Labour were awful at managing the economy but by god the conservatives are currently a complete shower. Definitely a Lib Dem vote here. Just remember, if you really want to get brexit done then make sure you put your X in the box for the Conservatives and the Brexit Party just to make doubly sure...

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Old Jack (11th Dec 2019 - 14:23:57) Julian. the reason this country is in a mess is because of the Tories. 100% . The Tories called the divisive referendum to suit their own internal wrangling, without any plan for how Brexit might be implemented. The Tories cut public services to breaking point in the name of austerity that somehow, now, they don't believe is necessary and seem to have discovered Labour's magic money tree. All of Britain's systemic problems now stem from those two policies. Britain's growth figures for October, announced yesterday, were precisely zero. No wonder Boris is hiding in a fridge this morning.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - k (11th Dec 2019 - 14:38:02) James what's the point having a referendum on anything Politicians just ignore it - anyway & do what they think is best for themselves - ( that is most of the Parties just block the Public decision )I will vote although disillusioned with the system - I wouldn't have the right to comment on the outcome otherwise. Each 1 of you follow your own hearts and do what you think best,-at least you have tried.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - James (11th Dec 2019 - 15:45:54) k I do vote... for many reasons... one of which is that each party gets money for the total number of votes they get. So even voting Green in this constituency, does do some good. Disillusioned. The current voting system is one of the reasons why the major parities are ignoring us and not listening to us. Do the conservatives even worry about how liphook is going to vote? It is a safe seat... they only try and court votes in the marginal seats.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Fiona (11th Dec 2019 - 19:19:32) Jack Please vote. Vote to register what you want, even if you think it won’t count. Or as others have said, spoil your ballot paper to register your discontent and to use your right to vote. It is so important to vote or things will never change. We are lucky to have the vote and you are obviously a thoughtful and educated man whose vote and opinions should be officially counted, even if they currently make no difference.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Rob (12th Dec 2019 - 10:03:42) Anyone voting for the current shower that run the labour party needs their heads examined! Socialism kills, if you think it works and the outcomes would be better just check out Venezuela or Cuba or the old USSR. Socialism kills, it kills even more through waste and mismanagement than free market liberal government does through not funding everyone's hopes and dreams with money stolen from the future. The last Labour government (Blair and then Brown) left this country virtually bankrupt by borrowing to spend at the top of the economic cycle, the very opposite of what sensible government should do. They also relaxed immigration rules and allowed in thousands of economic migrants, not asylum seekers, I'm afraid that the vast increases in net migration into this country make a huge difference to public services. Low paid workers consume far more services than they pay for in taxes. What too many people fail to realise is that governments don't have money other than that which they take from the population in tax. If you want to pay even more tax, then fine you go ahead I'm sure HMRC won't object, but the likelihood is you'd like others to pay for it. There is an expression that deals with that sort of behaviour, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Captain obvious (12th Dec 2019 - 10:26:58) Sadly we live in a area where any clown says he's tory is a winner it's always been that way. My mum and dad lived in a cottage owned by there employers and it was made clear you vote blue or your out. That may have eased a little in this time but for many of that generation it is installed in them. So still vote for your own peace of mind it may be wasted but you tried. Let's face it the blue clown is not always the funniest clown 🤡🤡.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - War baby (12th Dec 2019 - 10:52:48) Yes Rob the young people today have not lived through a labour Government . Union Rule in the 70- 80s strikes at the drop of a hat no rubbish collected no trains running, blacking all private businesses so lots of people out of work. I struggled for years 18 hours a day to bring up two children saved for my own house achieved this but before I moved in the mortgage rate went up to 15 % Good Old Labour. Money has to come from some where or we go bust. So if you want to be a communist country be my guest vote labour.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Paul (12th Dec 2019 - 10:55:58) @Rob - I worked in Eastern Europe years ago, based there for many years at the fall of communism. So trust me when I say I know about this, as I've really lived through what a 'communist' state is …. I was lucky as I was paid overseas, but yes every day I walked past queues for food, and people were literally starving. Life was utterly miserable for people in ways you couldn't even imagine. It really was like living in a Cold War spy film, very depressing. I wouldn't even dare explain here on a forum the type of things that families lived through and what happened, but 'harsh' doesn't even come close. The people were - as ever - lovely, and they took the hardship as part of life. But anyone who thinks Communism is a solution clearly hasn't experienced it themselves, and it has no place in the modern world. If we wake up tomorrow walking into a communist state I will definitely and genuinely be leaving the country (and have looked into that already).

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Pete (12th Dec 2019 - 11:10:12) Rob- Two points. Economy was globally shafted not just the uk, would have happened whoever was in power, worth pointing out that it was the rampant capitalist system that you espouse that caused it. Tax receipts from immigration far outweighs costs which has been calculated and published many times but doesn't fit in with right wing ideals so is quietly brushed under the carpet.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Pete (12th Dec 2019 - 11:18:17) Rob- Third point, you will probably find people in general would happily pay more tax if they could be sure it was going toward things that benefited them and the country as a whole rather than being mismanaged, wasted or paid out to shareholders of once nationalised services that are subsidised by our taxes.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Pete (12th Dec 2019 - 11:24:25) Paul- War baby Socialism and Communism are two different things. Communism is an authoritarian economic and political regime. Socialism is an economic ideal.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Katie (12th Dec 2019 - 11:30:32) Rob, are you a Daily Mail bot? I'm not even voting Labour but let's debunk some of your tabloid headline myths... There are numerous cases of Social Democratic and Democratic Socialist political parties winning elections in liberal democratic states. For example, the Swedish Social Democratic Party has won most elections in Sweden since 1932, but the country never adopted Socialism or Social Democracy as its official ideology. Do you seriously expect people to believe our country would be more like Cuba or Venezuela under a Labour government than like Sweden? Seriously???! It's NOT Socialism or even Communists that kill people, it's corrupt, uncaring governments, which brings me to the current Conservative party. The only party in our country's history to be investigated by the UN for human rights abuses. Philip Alston, the special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights for the UN, said “Government policies have inflicted great misery unnecessarily, especially on the working poor, on single mothers struggling against mighty odds, on people with disabilities who are already marginalised, and on millions of children who are locked into a cycle of poverty from which many will have great difficulty escaping,” he said. “British compassion for those who are suffering has been replaced by a punitive, mean-spirited, and often callous approach apparently designed to instill discipline where it is least useful, to impose a rigid order on the lives of those least capable of coping with today’s world, and elevating the goal of enforcing blind compliance over a genuine concern to improve the well-being of those at the lowest levels of British society." “When asked about these problems, Government ministers were almost entirely dismissive, blaming political opponents for wanting to sabotage their work, or suggesting that the media didn’t really understand the system and that Universal Credit was unfairly blamed for problems rooted in the old legacy system of benefits." Despite having been in power for almost 10 years, the current government always find someone else to blame for their failures, when they can't blame their predecessors they blame another easy target, immigrants. Despite knowing their claims are lies because their own publically commissioned research shows it... Figures calculated for the Migration Advisory Committee an independent public body show that the average adult migrant from the EEA contributes £2,300 more to the UK public purse than the average UK resident. Old member state citizens contribute the most - but even the lower-paid eastern European workers are making a net public contribution. In all, say the MAC, EEA migrants paid £4.7bn more in taxes than they took out in benefits and public services. Finally, as a family we are extremely fortunate to have a decent household income and would HAPPILY PAY MORE TAX to have IMPROVED PUBLIC SERVICES FOR EVERYONE. Anyone can become disabled, poor, even homeless and you are naive to think otherwise. As a nation we should feel pride about how well we take care of our most vulnerable people. At the moment, I feel ashamed.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Dave (12th Dec 2019 - 13:11:44) Every Labour government in my lifetime has left the country broke. I'm sure youngsters will be tempted by Corbyn with his debt doesn't matter politics but in 5 years time this country under Labour will be broke for decades

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - James (12th Dec 2019 - 13:45:38) I think there is a large number of us who believe neither party that holds the duoploy of power under our current system deserve power. Tory or Labour is a nightmare for different reasons. One interesting fact is more people don't vote than vote for any particular party. So if not voting was a party they would win! In 2005 38% didn't vote, It was almost as many as voted for Labour and Conservative combined! http://www.votenone.org.uk/uk-unheard-third.html

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Paul (12th Dec 2019 - 16:55:48) @Pete - yes I know the difference, I'm not an idiot

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - War baby (12th Dec 2019 - 17:51:04) Pete you must be young like jack like Paul I to no the difference. This labour lot are nothing like the old labour this lot are out and out communism sympathisers and also embrace Terrorism .I have lived through Conservative and labour governments and you only have to look at history and you will see conservatives get the country up and in the black people want change in comes labour runs into the red cocks everything up and we have to start all over again.People will never learn.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - Rolland (13th Dec 2019 - 17:05:38) Well done Damian and the Tories, thank goodness we don't have to endure Commie Corbyn or the Looney Liberals. There will also be many millennials crying that they are not going to get the student debts written off and free broadband but hey, that's the real world. Boris is a prat but at least he eats meat and doesn't support terrorists. Hopefully he will also find a way to get more police on the streets and nurses and doctors in our hospitals.

Re: Why the conservatives party ? - J (13th Dec 2019 - 18:45:31) What, the police his party cut in the first place and the extra nurses that actually include a load that are already there... They must have found that magic money tree they kept saying didn't exist after all!

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