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Dark clothes and no pavement - Elizabeth (6th Dec 2019 - 23:28:30) Hi This morning I was driving on the Headley Road from Liphook towards Passfield. It was still quite dark. As I drove around a bend, where there is no pavement, a pedestrian was walking towards me wearing only black, including a hoodie. However, the said pedestrian was looking down - possibly at his phone and so all I saw was a black shadow- I think it was either the light from the phone or a glimpse of shoe that I saw at the last minute and managed to avoid the person. PLEASE IF THERE IS NO PAVEMENT AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE ROAD, WEAR SOMETHING OTHER THAN ALL BLACK.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - king of Greatham (7th Dec 2019 - 08:58:42) Yes, good thinking. I must remember also then not to wear white when it snows, grey when it's foggy and my Catherine Wheel motif t-shirt on firework night. Alternatively the council could instead put some lighting in your aforementioned dark area to help us all avoid unnecessary fashion faux pas.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - helen (7th Dec 2019 - 11:31:14) What - so we taxpayers have to foot the bill for putting streetlights into every country area because people do not have the common sense to be seen in the dark. I do not want the resulting light pollution thank you.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - Jen (8th Dec 2019 - 19:58:21) What a silly response from the "King of Greatham"! Of course we don't need street lighting everywhere. People choosing to walk along the road in the dark should take responsibility for their own visibility to oncoming/following traffic. A hi-vis waistcoat with reflective strips costs only a few pounds and can fit in most coat pockets, so there's no excuse for being invisible.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - Ian (8th Dec 2019 - 22:40:12) Such the stupidity of the simple, arrogant or both hoody who walks /cycles at night in unreflective clothing. It’s his own fault if he becomes a bumper thumper. So no pity granted.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - k (9th Dec 2019 - 09:39:19) Sorry Ian but what about the poor driver who would have to live with the consequences through probably no fault of their own - let alone the effect on their insurance premiums .As per my previous posts please pedestrians be aware of how difficult it can be to see you !! I have bought some hi vis bands that velcro round the arm or leg for my nephew & niece for Christmas a pair for £1.99 -from Halfords every little helps -No one wants to see anybody needlessly injured.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - Dawn Hoskins (10th Dec 2019 - 12:22:06) the main issue for school kids is the lack of pavement. On dark afternoons Passfield is very very dangerous to walk to. We can all cope with no streetlights but the combination of a 70 mph**road and no pavement is a recipe for disaster for pedestrians. Passfield is in the parish and the kids of the parish go to the parish schools. We need to decide whether we want healthy active kids that can walk to school - or - increased road traffic. **[I know the road shouldn't be 70mph but it often is]

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - er (10th Dec 2019 - 18:36:01) Dawn, I thought there was a pavement or track on the southern side, never used it, just thought I'd seen it used, be interested to know how far it goes. Parish concept is so outdated, conjures up suggestions of church wardens and all the village turning out on Sunday, really these are not religious schools anymore by selection anyway and little to do with parish council, church or parish boundaries, unlike real religious schools elsewhere, I think the boundary is going to be this side of the A3 way we're going in Liphook town, problem solved!

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - Helen (10th Dec 2019 - 22:06:47) Passfield is a countryside location at least 1 mile or more from the nearest large conurbation you should not expect it to have pavements leading you past National Trust woodland and farmers fields into that conurbation. Move into a more dense urban area if that is important to you.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - anon (11th Dec 2019 - 23:01:31) There is a 'path' that runs through from passfield to liphook, i walk it regularly. yes it isnt the safest but its something. no way in hell would i walk on that road, even using a torch from a phone just to let drivers know your there, also there is high vis covers that go over backpacks that i always use, its so worth it.

Re: Dark clothes and no pavement - Dawn Hoskins (12th Dec 2019 - 13:54:36) You can't have it both ways. either there are people walking in the road. or there is a pavement. Just because the land is owned by the National Trust, that does not outweigh the safety of human beings. Of course, trees and wildlife are important and we choose to live in Passfield specifically because we like trees and wildlife. However, the safety of children simply MUST take priority over the designation of a 'verge'. If a pavement can be created on the verge all the way from Passfield to Lindford, you would think that the distance between Hill House Hill and Passfield could be met? That piece of pavement does not detract from the beautiful location and greenery along the B3004 does it? No one ran screaming with their arms in the air, beating their breasts when it was laid? I don't suppose anyone but local children and parents even noticed it had been done! We have long been campaigners and supporters of The Woodland Trust, the National Trust and English Heritage and we are very very lucky in this part of the county to be surrounded by such natural beauty, but the dangers of road traffic will not dissipate just because the scenery is beautiful and the beauty of the environment will not be reduced because a pavement exists. We used to be one of the few families that actually walked to school from Passfield to Liphook along the muddy verge. I used to take secateurs with me to keep the mud track clear but, in the summer the stinging nettles put you in the road and in the winter the mud was slippery and dangerous. on 2 occasions one of us slipped and fell into the road. The boys had to take clean shoes and dry trousers so they could change when we reached Hill House Hill - else turn up in wet and mucky clothes. The track is certainly 'doable' but you do take your life in your hands in the pitch dark. I would certainly not consider it to be a 'safe route' not just for children but for any pedestrian. Striving for improvement, or seeking better conditions does not mean that you don't like where you live. Exclamations that ' if you don't like it - you should move' are silly and childish. The old argument - "we've never done it like that so we can't consider doing it" just demonstrates a backward-looking perspective. Not all change is bad!! Some change creates better living conditions!

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