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crash portsmouth road - toby (30th Nov 2014 - 10:19:19) See also Raising money for those made homeless and affected at moss court, Portsmouth road thread. Car hit moss court. Another drink driver done a runner could have killed the couple in bed the other side of wall. Find this person report him / her and pay back every penny to rebuild this family; now homeless for xmas and no fault of there own does any one know this person if so report them now. Image copyright JF

Re: crash portsmouth road - Richard (30th Nov 2014 - 15:14:28) Presumably the police will investigate the ownership of said vehicle and find the culprit. If not, perhaps we should be asking why not...

Re: crash portsmouth road - Hannah (1st Dec 2014 - 08:33:29) The culprit was found and arrested on the night of the accident. She was in a very drunk state. Thankfully no one was seriously injured.

Re: crash portsmouth road - amy (1st Dec 2014 - 19:54:05) i live on the portsmouth road fairly close to the road shut signs and the amount of lorries and such having to turn around is ridiculous!

Re: crash portsmouth road - toby (1st Dec 2014 - 19:59:14) some owners have moved out due to building being unsafe

Re: crash portsmouth road - Col (2nd Dec 2014 - 09:17:18) Spoke with one of the contractors attending to the building ( this was after scrambling over the ditch to circumvent the barriers at 7.30 last night ) and was told the road closure may last months as the building inherently unsafe and may have to come down !! Happy Christmas.

Re: crash portsmouth road - mark (2nd Dec 2014 - 09:20:55) It seems all the people living in The Moss Court flats will have to move out due to this drunken women driving her car. Hope she is jail for her Christmas as she has just ruined everyones there.

Re: crash portsmouth road - jenny (2nd Dec 2014 - 12:49:40) I know the lovely couple in Moss Court; who have had to move out. She is disabled and uses a wheelchair and is very shaken. Her husband has also been battling with Cancer, what a dreadful mishap.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Keith (2nd Dec 2014 - 13:31:32) This is truly awful, especially coming so close to Christmas. Let's hope for the sake of everyone living there that the driver was fully insured. Maybe also if they have not done so already, Hampshire Police should take photographs of the damage caused and use them as part of their anti drink driving campaign which is especially relevant at this time of year. We all enjoy a party, especially at Christmas, but the lesson has to be, if you're driving, don't be tempted by even one glass of alcohol - someone might call you a boring git but better to be a boring git than a dead one

Re: crash portsmouth road - Dawn Hoskins (2nd Dec 2014 - 14:23:57) driving whilst drunk usually invalidates your insurance ,but the house insurance should cover it. There is almost zero chance of getting the money back from the drunk woman, who will likely get a ban and a fine, or unusually a custodial sentence. although we probably all feel she should pay financially for every one else's distress and financial loss (that she has caused) - that won't happen!!

Re: crash portsmouth road - Susie (2nd Dec 2014 - 16:31:07) Can we do anything to make Christmas a little better? Does anyone know how we can get messages to anyone who lives there? Let them know they aren't alone this Christmas, that people care. This is what communities are for.

Re: crash portsmouth road - g (2nd Dec 2014 - 16:56:57) Please stop speculating and making false statements being drunk does not invalidate your Insurance.

Re: crash portsmouth road - ian (2nd Dec 2014 - 18:25:27) my parents live there, in their eighties had to move out. the girl should be ashamed off herself good on greg and his team at old thorns for accomdating these people

Re: crash portsmouth road - D (2nd Dec 2014 - 19:00:06) What on earth was she driving to cause that much damage??

Re: crash portsmouth road - Andy (2nd Dec 2014 - 19:21:45) Errr........ being drunk will 100% invalidate your insurance as its all in the small print, iv just renewed mine and they even say it over the phone reading all the legal crap to you. I hope she has a rich mummy and daddy because she will be in trouble otherwise.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Suzanne (2nd Dec 2014 - 20:02:28) I would like to help but don't know how to. Its a terrible thing for all the residents affected and it must have been so frightening when the stupid woman crashed into the building. Shame on her.

Re: crash portsmouth road - ellen (2nd Dec 2014 - 20:28:55) It appears as well that the building must not be very sound for a car which probably was not driving deliberately full on to intend to hit the building and cause so much damage?

Re: crash portsmouth road - cat (2nd Dec 2014 - 20:54:00) Great idea Susie.

Re: crash portsmouth road - D (2nd Dec 2014 - 20:57:16) Some insurers will not pay out if you are under the influence of drink or drugs. This means that your insurance could be invalid after one drink even if you are well within the legal limit. The law allows drivers to drink a certain amount of alcohol before driving; the problem is that this amount varies from person to person depending on factors such as weight and alcohol tolerance. Insurance companies do remain obliged under the Road Traffic Act to meet the costs of any claim by a third party for injury or damage. So the fact that you were drink driving will not invalidate claims made by anyone injured as a result. But the insurers are entitled to claim these costs back from you. In reality, this does not frequently happen, but in some cases motorists have been billed for thousands of pounds that their insurance company had paid out to a third party.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Iwik61 (2nd Dec 2014 - 21:27:18) Makes a change for the old thorns to be the best thing since sliced bread ,community spirit and all that

Re: crash portsmouth road - Dawn Hoskins (2nd Dec 2014 - 22:50:27) My insurance policy is invalid if I drive under the influence of drink or drugs. also see this BBC News Story: www.bbc.co.uk/news/... Regardless of the insurance situation of the driver, I am sure the home insurance policies will look after everything. I would also mirror the calls for group support and assistance. Do these people need help with anything that we as local people can provide?

Re: crash portsmouth road - tony (3rd Dec 2014 - 02:41:41) Hopefully she had insurance and they will pay, but it shouldn't be a big concern to the householders, as long as they had insurance,(often arranged as a block, because if just one person doesn't buy insurance it can affect everybody as a percentage of the rebuild costs would be missing) your insurers should guide you through everything, paying for the repairs first, before claiming it back either from her insurers or the MIB. Either way it can't be classed as the householders fault, unless she tries the classic line 'I was just driving along minding my own business officer, when that wall just came out of nowhere and crashed into me'. Even if anyone doesn't have house insurance, which would be very stupid, can't see you losing this one, just get a good lawyer! Best Wishes.

Re: crash portsmouth road - ian (3rd Dec 2014 - 06:36:48) maybe when the work is done we could get some plants and replant there beds outside the ladys flat so it looks fantastic in the summer like the rest of the village the lady is in a wheelchair so she is unable to do it

Re: crash portsmouth road - JF (3rd Dec 2014 - 21:58:47) I saw the damage soon after the accident and can't believe that the whole building has been declared unsafe. The window frame and panel of brickwork below were damaged, but the lintol over didn't seem to have moved. Even the glass of the window didn't break. Horrid for the ground floor occupant, but why evacuate the whole building and disrupt traffic, even banning pedestrian traffic? Is there a gas leak? I will send my photo separately, to illustrate my comments. Photo from JF added to first post to illustrate the problem. The photo in fact shows what looks like a severe vertical crack running between the 2 windows on the right. As well as considerable damage to that wall at ground level.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Sam (4th Dec 2014 - 02:04:19) No need for the photos JF, we know your not a structural engineer already. Occupants of the other flats heard the walls cracking throughout thr night and woke to see the the damage growing through the building. Am fairly sure they are gutted you suffered a detour as they have no home this christmas, perhaps you could pop in and give them your expert assessment on buildings and diversions so they can move back in right away.

Re: crash portsmouth road - g (4th Dec 2014 - 06:11:57) there are several cracks in the building which make it unsafe and when you get heavy goods lorries passing the house shakes! so it could collapse better to be safe than sorry so you have to take a detour not exactly hard note to drivers this road is closedbut still in use stop using it as a drag strip and those that ignore the road closed sign STOP driving up the middle of the riad when you turn around and drive at stupid speeds us residents are still using the road getting very dangerous! people are driving up and down faster than normal

Re: crash portsmouth road - jhon (4th Dec 2014 - 06:58:44) its knocked a supporting pier out there are cracks in top floor apartment and cracks in floor only one way in could stop door opening up

Re: crash portsmouth road - JF (4th Dec 2014 - 10:06:15) Nice to have such polite posters on this board - I am not blessed with X-ray eyes, although I am a highly qualified architect. I saw the building from across the road, and it does not look as badly damaged as described. It was built under modern Building Regulations, one would not assume it to be a house of cards. The bumper left at the scene appears to be from a medium size car, not a ram-raider, and the driver walked away. It doesn't usually take much to crack a pane of glass. The detour does not affect me in the slightest, my sympathies go out to the residents of this expensive modern building. I have not seen inside as Sam obviously has. It is such a pity that contributions to these pages are so often met with abusive and aggressive response, discouraging comment from responsible contributors.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Keith (4th Dec 2014 - 10:13:20) Just a thought aimed at HCC/EHDC - couldn't they put a more substantial barrier where the road is closed to prevent any traffic coming through? As it looks from the damage that the road is going to be closed for a number of weeks at least, it would seem to make sense to erect a stronger barrier (maybe they could borrow some of those concrete blocks the Highways Agency use to close off lanes on the motorway.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Mark B (4th Dec 2014 - 12:16:18) Guys, I lived in one of the flats (or did till sunday) ,next to the damaged flat. I only saw this this when i returned on monday as i was away to see the mess. now on a friends sofa. for to the comment on the barrier on the road, we used to park outside the flats there at the side of the road until "the commuter types" caused chaos and people complained to the council so the yellow lines where added, driver where forced to slow down but now, as we have seen by one drunken idiot, there is no holding them back. As a resident of the flats involved, it is nice to see the Liphook community support especially at this time of year.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Mark B (4th Dec 2014 - 12:51:28) oops, sorry misread about barrier. Agree need better barrier to mark road. But my point still stands about the traffic.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Tanya Wilkinson (4th Dec 2014 - 14:14:00) please see our reply to \'Raising money ..........\' Liphook Care Charity Shop would like to help the people who have been made temporarily homeless

Re: crash portsmouth road - Julian (4th Dec 2014 - 16:29:13) As you will see by the photographs the outer skin of the building is totally shot. Surprised it has not come down yet, hence the road still closed. The engineers have not been able to get any contractors to attend as yet. Until they do the structural state of the building remains unknown. I hear from investigations thus far that the outer wall has moved 4". Internally there is a concrete slab come down that is now supported by a piece of furniture. It may be some time ...

Re: crash portsmouth road - D (4th Dec 2014 - 17:43:35) From the above pictures, you would have to wonder what she was driving to do that much damage and or question the construction of the flats!!

Re: crash portsmouth road - Thr Joy (4th Dec 2014 - 20:48:33) Ford Focus

Re: crash portsmouth road - tony (4th Dec 2014 - 21:50:30) Like everyone else I thought that must be a rubbish build to fall apart so easily, but looking at the photos I'm not so sure. The brick facade has lost it's lower left support almost completely, at least on the outer skin, just where it needs it most. Cavity wall construction is pretty standard, it looks right, I think it comes down to the quality of the mortar. The fact that the cracks happen cleanly at the perpendicular, going vertically through both brick and mortar, both underneath the windows, weakest point, but also on the far corner vertical, suggests to me the mortar was sound enough, the wall has cut clean, it must have been one hell of a crash though! Thank god no-one wad killed!

Re: crash portsmouth road - Col (4th Dec 2014 - 23:32:21) I don't know if anyone has read any of the 'facts' regarding the car accident from the Messenger, but I would just like to point out that the emergency services did not cut the driver and passenger out of the car, we were one of the first on the scene and the girl & passenger were completely absent from the crash scene and had abandoned the car. The police and the one fire engine arrived about 5 minutes after we spoke to the lovely couple who had their home wrecked. From the state of the Ford it is amazing that both the driver and passenger survived without any major injuries, especially the passenger. Where did the Messenger get their 'facts' from, obviously not from any reliable sources or witnesses... Whoops.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Mark B (5th Dec 2014 - 09:23:55) As a resident in one of the flats there i too would like to know where "The Messenger" got it facts from...

Re: crash portsmouth road - reporter (7th Dec 2014 - 00:23:01) First rule of reporting, never let facts, or lack of, spoil a good story. Our local reporter is a stickler to that protocol!!!!!

Re: crash portsmouth road - Mary W (7th Dec 2014 - 14:39:22) We have built a few houses for our own occupation, and the Building Regulation Officer was involved at every stage of the construction. I thought that the brick skin has to be tied In to the block inner skin and tied to the floor beams to prevent this kind of damage. What has the Building Inspector got to say about this? Shouldn't the damaged areas be propped to prevent further collapse?

Re: crash portsmouth road - J (8th Dec 2014 - 16:24:30) In response to Col's post, I can concur that the Liphook Herald article is incorrect. I am pleased to see that the Liphook Herald named the driver. The young driver was under the influence of drink when they crashed in to the building at an estimated 50 mph. The driver and passenger fled the scene. According to the police the driver was found hiding at a friends house five hours later when the police found her. She still 'blew' over the legal limit for drink driving even after 5 hours. The occupants of the flat could have been seriously hurt, even worse. In my opinion anyone who runs away from the scene of a serious accident like this deserves everything they get. They could have left someone there to die! The driver was seen in a Liphook pub four nights after the crash and drinking again. If they have a drink problem then they do get the right help & support, sooner rather than later.

Re: crash portsmouth road - shauna (8th Dec 2014 - 18:21:58) Perhaps the young lady driver who has caused such misery would like to meet and apologise to the victims of her action rather than continue with her life as if nothing has happened. Does she feel no shame? Hopefully the community forum has been helpful in finding accommodation for the couple whose flat will not be ready for them to move back into for 4-5 months - I will update when I know for sure

Re: crash portsmouth road - h (9th Dec 2014 - 07:26:12) Can I just say that the driver does feel shame and she feels awful about what she has done! If she could make everything right then she would! I do not excuse what she has done but please do not make people believe that she has no shame, and that she is not bothered by what she has done. None of you walk in her shoes, none of you know the life she lives and the struggles she is dealing with........maybe this was a cry for help and I pray to God that she gets the help that she needs now. This is a very sad situation for everyone and it is really lovely to see the community pulling together to help those who are not able to return to their home. Lets stop the chinese whispers as incorrect facts only make a situation worse!

Re: crash portsmouth road - shauna (9th Dec 2014 - 09:23:04) The couple whose flat was badly damaged have now been offered suitable accommodation, so luckily will have a temporary home very soon while their flat is rebuilt

Re: crash portsmouth road - Ian (9th Dec 2014 - 10:54:17) Sorry H, what twaddle! Everyone has issues to deal with in life but very few of us cry out for help by driving into someone's home whilst drunk. I'm fed up with people who make poor decisions and then think remorse and an apology make it alright. This DRUNK DRIVER could have very easily KILLED a number of innocent people by her actions, I think I will reserve my compassion and sympathy for the victims

Re: crash portsmouth road - Jay W (9th Dec 2014 - 11:15:08) I don't in any way condone what has happened and don't know any of the poor people involved but I know that I have made mistakes in the past and have been forgiven. Unfortunately some mistakes have more serious consequences than others. Too much alcohol can make you act out of character, think you are invincible and capable of anything - even driving. I know it makes me think I can sing and dance (apparently I can't). I don't like the excuses you hear so often these days of upbringing and past affecting behaviour - everyone has a choice - don't wallow in self pity there really is always someone worse off than you. Grab your second chance with both hands and put things right in your life (you are lucky you have one).

Re: crash portsmouth road - Joyce Brown (9th Dec 2014 - 11:55:26) Just to point out that the story criticised in a couple of posts above was in fact in the Liphook Herald, not The Messenger. The Messenger this week has an interview with two of the residents affected by the crash.

Re: crash portsmouth road - A. Ryan (9th Dec 2014 - 12:09:10) I have to agree with h, what is the point of putting vitriolic postings on here. I am sure the young girl feels remorse about her actions, and the consequences, so what are you trying to achieve? Make her fall on the proverbial sword? She is a young woman that made an awful mistake, and I expect there is virtually no body that has not made a bad judgement in their past, or has a few skeletons tucked safely away. I have done things I have not been proud of, but hopefully one learns and grows from these mistakes. Everyone is fine and I am sure the property will get repaired, and one should be grateful it was was not a worse outcome. If you have children of teenage years or above I am sure you will have all crossed your fingers and hoped that when they go out of your door that all will be well....... just sometimes it isn't.

Re: crash portsmouth road - roo (9th Dec 2014 - 13:04:30) If the young lady in question is full of remorse for her wrong doings perhaps should would like to publicly appologise to the couple concerned for inconvienience and distress caused by her actions. And perhaps offer to help the couple out

Re: crash portsmouth road - tony (9th Dec 2014 - 13:04:30) In this day and age the fact that she is a young woman shouldn't really make a difference, if it was a drunken man and someone had been killed, would you be saying 'but he didn't mean it, he has needs'? I think some people are suffering from misplaced chivalry. It's up to the residents whether or when they forgive her, but they mighreasonably t expect more than an anonymous excuse from a third party.

Re: crash portsmouth road - M (9th Dec 2014 - 13:19:30) Sorry, but after reading the chats here, are we now saying there is an excuse for drink driving and fleeing the scene.

Re: crash portsmouth road - tony (9th Dec 2014 - 13:21:46) In this day and age the fact that she is a young woman shouldn't really make a difference, if it was a drunken man and someone had been killed, would you be saying 'but he didn't mean it, he has needs'? I think some people are suffering from misplaced chivalry. It's up to the residents whether or when they forgive her, but they mighreasonably t expect more than an anonymous excuse from a third party.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Judge Judy (9th Dec 2014 - 15:48:02) There are no excuses or mitigating circumstances to make this any better. She made the decision to drink and drive, She made the decision to go down a road clearly marked as CLOSED. Then She made a decision to flee the scene having driven into a residential building without checking if anyone was hurt or in need of help. We may have all done things we regret in the past but the scale varies and you have to deal with the consequences of those actions not hide and let others pick up the pieces.

Re: crash portsmouth road - h (9th Dec 2014 - 16:45:19) No one is excusing what she has done.....makes no difference if male or female. BUT people making false accusations and lies up does not help the situation! Police found her hiding out......maybe she ran because she was scared and maybe she then handed herself in! Were any of you there to know what you are saying is correct? Or are you just saying what you have heard from a third party! No one is perfect, and some people do not get the help they need until something major goes wrong! Not everyone finds it easy to deal with what is going on in their lives.......

Re: crash portsmouth road - Peed-off (10th Dec 2014 - 01:02:04) the lady in question was severely intoxicated. Known for it, apparently. Anybody making a case for mitigation is misguided. The result of her crash, ie the closure of Portsmouth Rd has cost the local economy hundreds of thousands of pounds, possibly more, and will continue to do so until the road re-opens. Why would anybody in their right mind try to offer an excusing explanation for what she drastically achieved

Re: crash portsmouth road - Paul (10th Dec 2014 - 17:07:03) Firstly to the person called 'Judge Judy'. You said the woman drove down a road marked as closed? The road wasn't closed when she crashed. It is closed as a result of the crash! Secondly to the person called 'peed-off'. How has the closure of Portsmouth Road cost the local economy hundreds of thousands of pounds? Is the Portsmouth road the only way into the village? No its not. Its not as though people cant get into the village anymore. As for people moaning on this thread and another thread about their journeys being interrupted because of the closure of Portsmouth Road. So you have to drive for an extra 5 minutes max?? How about the people who now can't live in their own homes for the foreseeable future? Their lives have been affected not the people who have to sit in their cars for a couple of minutes longer. Also, why do people feel the need to talk **** and spread rumors on here when they haven't got the first clue about what happened when the woman crashed and what happened after it. I have no sympathy for the woman who crashed what so ever but why do people feel they have the right to talk like **** about her on here. The people who live in the flats can have a go at her and have the right to but why does every other tom, dick and harry feel the need to stick their oar in.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Amy (10th Dec 2014 - 17:49:32) Hope they can back home very soon.They are very nice couple.

Re: crash portsmouth road - J (10th Dec 2014 - 18:46:11) Paul et al, This is a discussion board and intended for peoples opinions so bring it on! I have a flat at Moss Court and all information/comments here are well justified. If anyone has "lost money" as a result of this crash, then you can make a claim to recover uninsured losses from the Insurers. They in turn will attempt to recover from the drivers own insurance. I think the subsequent actions of the driver are not acceptable, morally or socially. Either way, Finlay's flower shop is just around the corner from the Green Dragon and it's then a short walk to Moss Court! :-). Continuing to drink on a regular basis is not the solution nor an excuse. I think an open apology is long overdue and would do the individual the world of good.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Ian (10th Dec 2014 - 18:56:30) Lets keep this thread simple A drunk driver lost control of her vehicle and crashed into a residential block of flats. She then left the scene of her crime, presumably not knowing if she had killed anyone. Local people are entitled to post their views on this girls outrageous actions, naturally we are all horrified at the damage done and how close some residents came to being seriously harmed or killed by this person. At best the residents have had their lives turned upsde down and no doubt will have many months of inconvenience and I suspect financial uncertainty ahead. It is wrong if events are exaggerated or incorrectly reported but let's not pretend otherwise, what this person did was utterly wrong and it is quite right that local people can use sites like this to express their feelings and if the lady is upset at all the attention, tough.

Re: crash portsmouth road - h (10th Dec 2014 - 19:26:54) Well said Paul

Re: crash portsmouth road - George (10th Dec 2014 - 19:41:53) HHHhmmm The Drink Driver, is a known lady within the village pubs & clubs, spending several nights on the trot drinking, and then driving apparently ;-) Yes, she may regret what she did,.....but she did it on more than one occasion, and if she feels that its ok, to DD, which she obviously did, then lets hope she gets what she deserves. Shame on her, for DD in the first place, let alone causing all this upset & damage, pure selfishness, she should think herself lucky, she didnt kill anyone! G

Re: crash portsmouth road - jeanne (11th Dec 2014 - 15:09:51) The couple in bed had an horrendous shock true, they did not suffer any physical injury and the lady still had the presence of mind to find pyjamas in order to make herself decent. Rather than condemning the young woman responsible we should perhaps give her some sympathy. \\if she does have a drink problem, as has been suggested, why are the local pubs still serving her and why didn\'t one of them offer accommodation to the aggrieved party? We do not know why she drinks, perhaps she suffers low self esteem and drinks to give herself confidence, maybe she suffers from depression and drinks to overcome her black moods. If she is an alcoholic she needs help and support and not this verbal abuse which will only drive her to drink more in order to hide from it. She needs the support of AA meetings to control the illness, of alcoholism. She must do the work there are huge rewards if she does. Once in remission she will not be tempted to DD again.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Emma (11th Dec 2014 - 18:49:17) What a crock of shi.. Bet you wouldn't be so sympathetic if she crashed into your home

Re: crash portsmouth road - DML (11th Dec 2014 - 23:20:36) It's a simple choice we all make. Do I drink? Or do I drive? Or do I do both and risk an accident or worse? We all have free will and can choose - and if we make the wrong choice there really is no excuse if it all goes wrong. We are all responsible for our own actions - whatevers going on in our lives.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Fred (12th Dec 2014 - 15:28:44) I've been reading reports on this topic all week & the suggestion of driver attending AA meetings is the best advice I've heard all week. Nobody will judge her actions & Steps 8 & 9 will deal with amends & allow all to move on.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Amy (12th Dec 2014 - 19:27:42) An ambulance doing god knows what speed with full lights on shot past our window (down Portsmouth road!) Obviously ignored the closed signs.. then had to turn around! Why even risk something like that in an emergency?

Re: crash portsmouth road - Keith (13th Dec 2014 - 13:48:16) Jeanne - I fully support your message and I think it is by far the most practical message on this subject. Do I excuse the damage this young lady has caused? Of course not - and no doubt in time she will be duly dealt with through the local magistrates court - but that is a job for the police and the judiciary, not for anonymous postings on here. Assuming this young lady is alcoholic (and all of the 'evidence' points that way), then Jeanne is right, she needs help and support, not a public punishment of vitriol - I thought putting someone in the stocks was now consigned to history but some on here would appear to think it would be a good idea., Having lived with an alcoholic for the best part of 10 years before sadly her liver gave up the battle with alcohol, I think it is important to realise that for the vast majority of alcoholics, becoming a alcoholic is not a 'lifestyle choice', but is a mental illness - just like depression, mental breakdowns etc etc - you don't choose it, life's circumstances and society's reaction forces it upon you. This young lady needs help and support before alcohol consumes her life and ultimately it will take her life either directly or indirectly - but she is unlikely to seek that help without the guidance of those her know her well and the absence of public vitriol. Fortunately in this incident, no one was killed or seriously injured. Yes to those residents of the flats, I extend my full sympathy and hope your lives and homes are returned to normal, but I think it's important to remember that at the end of the day, cars and buildings can be replaced, we each only get one shot at life.

Re: crash portsmouth road - ellie (14th Dec 2014 - 00:02:26) whilst I am sympathetic up to a point with a 19 year old who decides to do something stupid, we probably all have at that age ( I got marrird! ) , I do think that that she is probably just young, not making mature desisions. I have heard that she was also high on drugs. I could never afford to drink too much at that age, nor even afforded drugs. I sympathise with someone who has lived with a full blown alchoholic, but at 19 she is probably just out to enjoy herself regardless. Aloholism can ican cause terrible problems I know from first hand experience, but my sympathy is still with the victims not the perpetrator. She could easliy have killed her passenger, herself and the occupants of the flat. She had a bolthole, she has parents and somewhere to live. The victims do not. Perhaps it will make her grow up, hopefully.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Julie (14th Dec 2014 - 10:33:16) If she does have a drink problem, then like any addict she has to see it as a problem. No matter how many people tell she has a problem, until she sees it as such in her mind, she's young and enjoying herself. No problem. Hopefully this will be the thing that makes her realise she has a problem, assuming she has one and isn't just an idiot before she does what a friend of mine did years ago and kills his best mate (which to this day he still beats himself up over)

Re: crash portsmouth road - Tony J (14th Dec 2014 - 14:14:58) The victims should not expect any support from the local judiciary. A local youth who killed two of his friends when driving like an idiot was fined £200 and had 9 points on his licence, As he already had 3 points, at 17 years of age, he received a 12 month ban which he ignored. The only persons suffering are the parents and families of the dead boys.

Re: crash portsmouth road - steven (14th Dec 2014 - 17:01:43) What the hell?? RIGHT If she was drink driving, she decided to get in that car, yes she decided to drive that car, that could be classed as a weapon and may have Killed someone. There is no discussion on if she is an alcoholic or on drugs blah blah blah... she COULD have killed someone or a group of people. SHE DROVE THAT CAR!! SHE SHOULD BE MADE TO SERVE TIME AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN MAN SLAUGHTER!!

Re: crash portsmouth road - A (14th Dec 2014 - 19:54:14) I think it whether she's a AA or not. She drove drunk at the time, took out someone's property and then flees the scene. Totally illegal and I hope justice gets served. God forbid that there was not a sleeping baby the other side of that wall!

Re: crash portsmouth road - David (15th Dec 2014 - 09:14:34) I cannot believe people are really suggesting we should show sympathy for this stupid and irresponsible drunk driver. Then again I suspect the same deluded feelings of compassion drive those silly idiots that marry prisoners on death row in the States

Re: crash portsmouth road - Kay (15th Dec 2014 - 15:01:34) Hope this girl goes to prison and I hope she is helping this poor people home she knocked into! Instead of not having a care in the world and still drinking and living it up in the pubs!!!

Re: crash portsmouth road - Keith (22nd Dec 2014 - 13:53:35) I am the son of the 2 people who live in the flat that was crashed into. They have asked me to come on here and thank the person or persons, if they come onto this website, who have given them an anonymous donation. They have been given a great deal of support throughout the Liphook community, and they would like to thank everyone for there support and kind words. They are now re-housed for the festive period whilst there flat is being re-constructed.

Re: crash portsmouth road - Neighbour (7th Jan 2015 - 22:37:33) We live next door and were woken up at 1:15am by the crash! When we went down to investigate we couldn\'t believe our eyes! A ford focus had gone through our poor neighbours window! Awful! We realised at once by the lack of a driver that they had fled the scene. She had hit the bank opposite my house (by bohunt access) which made her loose control then she launched up the curb and into the flats, no skid marks! So no attempts made to break! I believe she has been charged and lost her licence for 2 years, fined and ordered to serve 200hrs of community service. In the meantime-nothing much seems to be going on with any repairs so a few families are still without their homes sadly. I\'m glad the road is shut, it is safer for those still living inside, imagine the extra damage that could potentially be caused by a further collision to an already unsafe frontage?! It may cause some distribution but quite frankly-priority must go to the residents.

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