Reply to THIS thread
Start a NEW Talkback Thread
Talkback Home

Speeding in Passfield - nikki (30th Apr 2007 - 16:41:59) Does anyone know where we can obtain the wheelie bin "slow down" stickers from . I notice that some Liphook residents have them and although I have contacted the Councils and the Highways, no one seems to be pointing me in the right direction. Any advice would be gratefully appreciated, thanks

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Frank (30th Apr 2007 - 17:24:44) I got mine from the Parish Office. Not sure they make much difference but its better than doing nothing.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - nikki (30th Apr 2007 - 17:54:37) ok, i'll contact them again. You're right, it won't make much difference to stop speeding,it will be more of a way of letting people know we care about the safety of our community and that we will be pushing for the highways to look again at road safety in Passfield, for them to say there is not a huge amount of traffic or footfall in Passfield for them to make changes is utter tosh. We're fed up with dicing with death on a daily basis in order to cross the b3004 on foot and if the £20,000 provided by Squires Bridge to the County Council had gone where it was designated for ie the pedestrian crossing, then the number of accidents and fatalities would have been reduced. Id like to know when they done their "survey", 11 o clock on a Sunday night probably. Passfield is effectively sliced in 2, with the b3004 running between it, how do they expect the community including the business park, to access the facilities on the other side of the road? ABSAIL?

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Chris (1st May 2007 - 06:38:12) The problem with that section of the road is that it is straight and extends for over a mile. Some people like to use it as an opportunity to overtake or "open up", not realising that there is actually a crossroads right in the middle of it. It is also a 50mph limit (for 50 read 55/60). When the council adjusted speed limits along the whole road they didn't do enough with respect to traffic calming in Passfield. There is often a flagrant disregard for safe speed along the whole of the road, starting at Hill House Hill, especially by motor cyclists. You can write to EHDC or the police and ask them to install speed cameras. A case would have to be presented, perhaps even video evidence. Residents of the area worked hard to pursuade the council to alter speed limits from 60 to 50 and 40. Perhaps another concerted campaign could bring the issue to their attention again and force some change for the better.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Sue Marshall (1st May 2007 - 18:10:16) One of the problems with the junction in Passfield is that there is no warning of it as you approach it from Lindford going towards Liphook. However there is one going the other way - a bit odd and very dangerous. As I was driving along there earlier today a car (driven by a man) pulled out of the junction straight in front of me and 3 cars coming in the opposite direction. There was no-one behind me but he just couldn't wait Sue

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Candyfloss (1st May 2007 - 19:30:42) Chris I sympathise with those that have had accidents, and some have been fatal, but it is all down to speed?. Is not the main problem bad judgements and decisions by the general road users. Like Sue pointed, many people just do not want to wait, and take risks. The reduction in speed will lessen the damage - but not change the situation. In general the 50mph is adequate, and the problems seem to be with those who will not drive upto the speed limit (as taught to todays learners), but insist on 25 - 35, no matter what part of the Headley Road they travel on - even through Liphook, which is 30 and then reduced to 20!!. The visibility at the hollywater road in the summer is dreadful, (long grass on the kerb), and really something should be done with the situation of the P.Office entrance. Perhaps move it to the side, so there is only one entrance to concentrate on that side of the road(at present there is also an access road to houses next to it). Confusion also occurrs when cars indicate to pull over (towards the PO,) but pull into the layby in stead, all this creates dithering - which leads to rash decision making. Nobody has answered my previous question, why is there a 40mph sign at the hollywater junction? Perhaps someone in the know has already decided to alter the speed without permission from Winchester Highways (who know nothing about this sign!!) Candyfloss

Re: Speeding in Passfield - oscar (1st May 2007 - 21:15:54) In this busy world where we all want it yesterday people will continue to drive fast. At the end of the day thats what roads are for and why people pay thier car tax . It does annoy me when horse riders, cyclists and pedestians moan about roads if you dont like walking across the road DRIVE.. If you dont want to drive walk over the woods , there are lots of them .

Re: Speeding in Passfield - n young (1st May 2007 - 21:32:14) ok then Oscar, you explain that to Robyn Ellen Francis parents, the 18 year old girl who lost her life on that road last month

Re: Speeding in Passfield - oscar (1st May 2007 - 21:49:06) I feel for any one who loses someone they love . accidents dont happen they are caused. In europe you spend 6 months in a classroom before you are even allowed to get behind the wheel . The amount of people in and around Liphook who are on mobiles while driving is crazy they are the ones who should be taken off the road .Im know one passfield resedent who is moaning about the speed limits , but drives like a nutter.. so its ok , but not on my doorstep!!

Re: Speeding in Passfield - n young (1st May 2007 - 22:00:54) Well as far as im aware, no one is "moaning"...they just want to raise awareness that in this rural location, a 50 mph speed limit is too fast. if you read through everything properly that has been in the media recently, we are cross that the money for a crossing on the b3004 wasnt spent. Why is wanting to make this area safe for everyone, wrong in your opinion?

Re: Speeding in Passfield - n young (1st May 2007 - 22:55:05) candyfloss, You are correct in saying it is not just a speeding issue. The 40 mph sign is something that baffles us all and as of yet, cant work out why it is there. Another issue that I think needs addressing is the fact that as you come down the hollywater road from the whitehill direction, just before the bend near the junction with the b3004, there isnt a give way sign, obviously locals know the road layout but for the non local drivers,it isnt very clear that just beyond that bend,there is a junction onto a 50 mph limit road

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Mike Grimes (2nd May 2007 - 00:07:18) I'm not sure but can you actually have a zebra crossing on a 50mph road? I suspect not. More importantly, how much of a crossing would £20,000 buy these days? Just the black stripes probably, else the Headley Road one might look a tad expensive.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Chris (2nd May 2007 - 07:17:37) As Candyfloss rightly says, much of the problem is to do with the layout of the road, positioning of junctions etc. not just speed. Perhaps a concerted compaign to get some taffic calming or better warning signs put up will make drivers more aware. Passfield is becoming more residential now as more houses have been built there recently so something should be done for a greater number of residents. It would be daft to expect people to drive to the post office from Lynchborough for example so people walk. If money has been diverted from planned safety measures then that is unacceptable and the organisation responsible needs to be lampooned for it. Letters to your MP, letters to EHDC or Hampshire Highways department (or equivalent) is a start. Whatever the cause, something needs to be done about safety and driving along the whole B3004 from Hill House Hill to Standford.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Gen (2nd May 2007 - 07:45:59) In parts of France, where there are similar apparently safe fast roads, they put life-size black plywood cutouts of adults and children in the places where they have been killed. These cutouts are all situated around junctions, as that is where most accidents occur. It is very sobering, and has an immediate effect on the speed of approaching cars. It might be a very good thing to do here. I have done an Advanced motoring training course, and it was constantly reiterated that the maximum speed is not the minimum speed. Where there are likely to be cars, either approaching around blind bends, or coming out from junctions, be aware and ready to slow down. Is there anyone who, with hand on heart, can say they have never made a mistake? Have never started to come out from a side road and been surprised by an approaching car whose speed one has miscalculated? Or not realised that a car that was turning right has suddenly had to stop for some reason? Maybe stalled, or seen an obstruction? Come on chaps, you aren't all born drivers, of course speed kills on these busy roads of ours. I heard of a brilliant idea the other day. Some local villagers somewhere donned yellow plastic jackets and stood beside a busy junction holding a hairdryer towards the approaching speedsters. Amazing effect on the speeds, apparently!

Re: Speeding in Passfield - rob (2nd May 2007 - 09:17:53) I've nearly had a prang at this junction, coming out of Hollywater Road. It's not actually a 90 degree junction: you have to look back over your left shoulder if turning right to see if anything's approaching from Lindford. Sorting that out would be a start. There's a suggestion earlier in this string that the National Trust aren't being helpful in finding a solution to this. If that's the case, would it help for any of us who are members to write direct to the Trust making clear we expect them to do whatever's necessary to make this junction safer? rob.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - liz (2nd May 2007 - 09:32:10) Oscar says "It does annoy me that when horse riders , cyclists and pedetrians moan about roads if you don't like walking across the road DRIVE". It is this sort of facile attitude and lack of consideration for other road users which causes accidents. I find it quite scary.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - n young (2nd May 2007 - 09:55:36) I think the sign issue plays a big part in the safety of this junction, as far as I am aware, there isnt one informing motorists of the junction in either direction of the b3004 or a give way sign as you approach the junction from the hollywater road coming from Whitehill. (although would a few signs make a big difference, I don't know really) And that 40 mph sign, as candyfloss pointed out, is a mystery really. This morning on the school run, sitting at the junction waiting to turn right towards liphook, I got a beep from the motorist behind me , the traffic was clear coming from my right but because a van was turning left next to me it blocked my view towards the lindford direction and had to wait for him to go before I could have a clear view of the road. Would rather wait until I AM SURE that it is clear to pull out than take another motorists word (beep) for it

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Editor (2nd May 2007 - 11:08:08) 40MPH sign.. The original 50MPH sign was stolen and when it was replaced by the council they didn't have a proper record of what is was and replaced it incorrectly with a 40MPH sign. The County Council are entirely responsible for this and are arranging to have it replaced.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - gen (2nd May 2007 - 16:05:55) Re being beeped at road junctions, reminds me of the old tale of someone being at the receiving end of constant hooting from behind when he was in a traffic jam, and him getting out and approaching the motorist behind and saying, 'Tell you what, mister, why don't you get in and drive my car and I'll sit here and blow your horn...'

Re: Speeding in Passfield - n young (2nd May 2007 - 17:09:45) thats funny!...tho wouldn't want to try it nowadays

Re: Speeding in Passfield - n young (2nd May 2007 - 17:32:18) Road Safety Measures in Passfield Listening to Delta today, I just wanted to correct a news story that ran. Delta said that The Parish Council revealed that the money given by the developer for safety enhancements, hadn't been spent. It wasn't the Parish Council that revealed this issue. It was actually a question WE PUT to the parish and district council at the meeting last week, after we saw the money was allocated in the section 106 agreement.

Re: Speeding in Passfield - Candyfloss (3rd May 2007 - 20:52:10) Nikki/Chris If you want to raise the problems with traffic and warning signs in Passfield - why dont you use the A3 tunnel project as a leverage. The alternative official route (from Guildford) is to use the Hoggs Back, down to Bordon and out onto the A3 at Longmoor. Those that know, and others with Sat Nav, are 'rat running' from Broxhead, through lindford and out to Liphook. Therefore avoiding the delays in Bordon. This situation is made worse when the A3 has to be closed (like the last few weekends). Just a thought - try anything Candyfloss

Reply to THIS thread
Talkback Home