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Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (7th Apr 2007 - 20:48:44) The apparent removal of the children's safe play area in Lynchborough Road will be a huge blow to our community in Passfield. In a street that has a busy 24 hour business center and no traffic calming measures in place, it will be a matter of time before an accident occurs. The said play area was part of an agreement put in place when the Lyndon's were built. This area is popular with young families and the said play area is the ONLY enclosed safe place for our children to play. Subsequently, having being made aware of the planned removal of the childrens play area and equipment, the residents of Lynchborough Road have put a petition in place and made east hants council, liphook parish council and James Arbuthnot MP fully aware of their concerns. The petition is available to sign at Passfield Post Office . Please note, we were NOT consulted on this matter by anybody in authority and feel we were denied our chance to oppose this removal happening. We ask for support from our local community to KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE AT PLAY IN PASSFIELD

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - purplecurly (11th Apr 2007 - 12:06:46) I AM TOATALLY APPALLED AT HEARING THIS. I wonder if there was ever any plans to inform or consult with the residents of Passfield about this??? As far as I was aware, EHDC made Squires Bridge Homes erect the play ground as their contribution to “Green Space” . I believe that this will once again turn on pound notes and is likely to be all about the cost of mowing the grass…..Of course – the risk assessment crew would also have gone in to look at the prospect of being sued every time a 5 year old grazes his knee…. I feel aggrieved that Passfield has to put up with being the poor bloody relation all the time. We have no amenities whatsoever and the one that we do have is now being taken away. It just isn’t fair. I urge you all, please, sign the petition and badger the councillors about this. I don’t want my boys playing out in the road, it is not safe.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (11th Apr 2007 - 13:36:14) Purplecurly- i have spoken to east hants council today, the developer of the lyndons, squires bridge homes ( who were bought out by barratt homes after the development).....told east hants council that THEY HAD consulted the residents. Mr turner of the council,was under the impression that the residents had given them the green light to remove it. He did not know however,that it was only the residents of the lyndons that were consulted. The residents of Lynchborough road stipulated at a meeting before the lyndons were built,that a play area MUST BE provided for the community. I have obtained a copy of the planning permission which backs this up. I have been asked to provide a copy of the petition to Mr Turner,so please everybody get signing. I shall keep you all updated with developments on this matter. However, I don't want to start making assumptions and pointing fingers. Im trying to raise awareness of this matter to those who it affects in the hope we can all pull together,get the facts and do something about it.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (11th Apr 2007 - 14:29:45) UPDATE Our plight to save the play ground is going to be in tomorrows Herald newspaper. Just to re literate, the developer of the Lyndons told East Hampshire council that he HAD consulted the residents and they had given the green light for its removal. BUT THE DEVELOPER DID NOT CONSULT THE PEOPLE WHO STIPULATED AT THE PLANNING STAGE OF THE LYNDONS, THAT A CHILDRENS PLAY AREA MUST BE PROVIDED . The Lyndons were built on the understanding that a childrens play area must be provided. A few years down the line,SOME RESIDENTS of the Lyndons want it gone, forgetting their houses were built including the condition that our children are to be provided for. The developer no longer wants the responsibility of the play area. I ask everyone to refer to the planning document of the lyndons available at east hants council.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Residents of the Lyndons (12th Apr 2007 - 21:19:48) Can we please just clear up a few things here. Residents of the Lyndons were not told about the play area, it just appeared one day. It was subsequently moved to the Lynchborough end of the road and all Lyndon Residents at the time were quite happy with it there. We were not aware of the planning issues until after it was up, but by then it wasnt an issue as it was in an appropriate place. It was not the residents of the Lyndons who have been involved in its potential removal - it is the fact that the council - Hampshire CC or East Hants DC will not adopt the public open space of the grassy area and the play area if the play equipment is left there. The residents were offered options of having the play equipment removed and the council adopt the land or all paying together for it to be a private area with the consequential insurance costs and risks. This was the consultation from Squires Bridge. The outcome was a consensus that the equipment be removed as the residents were not prepared to be held liable for land that the council was supposed to have adopted, as they, the council asked for the play equipment in the planning consent in the first place after the local requests!! We residents are quite happy for the equipment to stay there, what is required is the council adopt the land. So please can we stop the sniping at the Lyndons residents, it is the council you need to be pushing, they are the ones saying it has to go.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (13th Apr 2007 - 09:48:00) Nobody is sniping. That is not our intention. The facts are, that the play area and equipment were part of planning conditions of the Lyndons being developed. See clause 9 in the planning permission. The developer wrote to the residents of The Lyndons to ask if they wanted it to stay or go,which in itself was wrong because the play area wasn't provided JUST for The Lyndon's , as stated in clause 9 of the planning permission it was to be provided " in the interest of the amenities of the local residents", whom were NOT consulted about this removal in the first place. We are indeed,pushing E.H.D.C. We have the full support of Adam Carew cllr . Mr Turner at East Hants Council was unaware that NOT all of us were consulted and was told by the developer that all residents wanted it to go. So maybe you can understand why we are cross.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (13th Apr 2007 - 10:17:37) I'd also like to add that as I have stated before, we ARE NOT pointing fingers, especially at "the residents of the lyndons"...as the development wasn't even built when the play area and equipment were agreed at the planning stage. Maybe I havent made that clear previously BUT nobody from The Lyndon's informed the other residents of Passfield that they had been asked by the developer and ehdc if they wanted it to stay . We have been told by Daryl Phillips of EHDC that quote "the residents of THE LYNDONS were offered the opportunity by the developers to buy it,but they decided not to take it and ASKED FOR THE PARK TO BE REMOVED AND ON THAT BASIS WE AGREED FOR THE EQUIPMENT TO BE TAKEN AWAY" unquote Now, we are certainly NOT asking the residents of the Lyndons to buy it . EHDC planning stipulated that an area and equipment MUST be provided for the local residents, and now that the developer wants to wash his hands of it,he has sneakily only consulted the lyndons residents and NOT the people it was provided for in the first place!! So yes,we are pushing ehdc to sort this out. As I have stated before, I hope the local community will pull together and support us on this.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Residents of The Lyndons (13th Apr 2007 - 11:04:59) Thanks for that. It did feel like the finger was being pointed at us and it this was simply not fair. The fact is it is the council who reneged on the conditions to adopt the play area AND the enclosed grassed area behind it and Squires Bridge presented us with an ultimatum, go private or allow the council to take it away and this was the consultation that you refer to. The street decided unaminously not to go private and therefore, by default, accepted the play area had to go BUT in doing we laid down conditions that the area must remain safe to play on. To achieve this we demanded that the Copper Beech hedging should stay thereby keeping in place a barrier to the road. The council refused point blank to do this insisting they would not accept anything other than a cleared grassed area. To sum up, we have no wish to see the play area go and we want to keep the Copper Beech hedge to keep the whole area safe. So it is the council who should honour the original adoption agreement. We come at the problem from a different direction but the answer is the same.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Robert Davis (13th Apr 2007 - 13:16:27) I must add my comments to this thread, as I have been consulted about the removal and would prefer that it is kept. I have family who make use of the facility as do many other residents of the Lyndons. One of my neighbours has already stated there was some underhand management of this by the council and the builders. We were not really given any option other than to buy the land and manage ourselves with added costs for maintenance and insurance costs to be absorbed by The Lyndons and not the Passfield community or to remove all equipment and the council adopt the land. I am sure if anyone had been put into a similar position they would have chosen the same as The Lyndons residents. I am also sure that if we had been aware of the original proposals that we would have followed this up with the other residents around the Lyndons. How would we do that for any future issues that may arise is a good point to make. I am not aware of any formal or informal method. I would hope that now this is in the open that your pressure will mean the council honour their original obligations and the play area stays, is maintained by the council and everyone has access to it. I will be placing my vote over the weekend, as I hope do other residents of the Passfield community. If you know of someone not yet voting, then I urge you all to ask them to vote.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (13th Apr 2007 - 16:00:58) DATE FOR MEETING RELATING TO THE ABOVE MATTER I have taken the plunge, and invited all concerned to a site meeting. This includes everybody from the local community, Head of planning at EHDC,our local councilors, James Arbuthnot MP ,Squires Bridge Homes aka now Barratt Homes, the local press and generally anybody who wants to attend is invited. Id like to add that the residents of the Lyndons were not told that the alternative to them not wanting to buy the said area and its equipment was for it to be removed. Again,very underhand of the developer. Please,pass the word around of this meeting and we look forward to seeing you all there. Kind regards, from Nicola DATE: WEDNESDAY 25TH APRIL TIME: 6.30 PM AT THE CHILDRENS PARK IN PASSFIELD

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (13th Apr 2007 - 17:49:52) UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE I have had confirmation this afternoon from a local councilor that the future of the children's play site is now under review!! So I think we're getting somewhere. Please, continue to sign our petition and if you can attend our meeting it would be great to see you there

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Robert Davis (14th Apr 2007 - 09:21:33) Nicola You again mention that we were NOT told that the area would be removed if we did not buy it or take on management and associated costs for this ourselves. I have a letter saying just that. The council would only adopt the land if the equipment, the beech hedge were all removed. Sp maybe your council contact has the wrong information. So please ensure you get facts right before spreading the wrong word. You really should gather all facts before you tell everyone, the press included of your thoughts and not facts. I know you are are causing some bad feeling about the Lyndons and the meeting could get out of hand. To reiterate we wanted to keep the play area but not at our expense, maybe you would like to pay for it yourself. The council would only adopt the land if it was easy for them to maintain it, at least cost. We have been maintaining the area ourselves as the council would not do this, please can you take a turn in cutting the grass if it is really important to you. I know the Lyndons would appreciate your efforts and go to putting some goodwill back in to this issue.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (14th Apr 2007 - 10:30:07) To Rob, I am telling that facts as we know it. WE,the residents not of the Lyndons, were not consulted on this matter and im afraid that is a fact. All along, I have said that this should not land in the lap of the Lyndons residents. If you read the press thoroughly , the situation is aimed at the DEVELOPER of the lyndons and e.h.d.c. In no way, have I even considered aiming this at the residents of the Lyndons. The Lyndons hadnt even been built when the decision was made to include the play area. I do not feel that I have given the residents of the Lyndons bad press. The decision to remove the play area went to a consultation with yourselves and as I have said before QUITE RIGHTLY you refused to buy the said area and maintain it, and we would have said the same IF WE were consulted on this in the first place by BOTH the developer and the council. My facts are correct, I have been very careful to make sure they were,before saying anything and in no way, do I feel that I have aimed this at the lyndons residents. The situation was caused between the developer of the lyndons and ehdc whom between themselves decided to let the area go BEFORE performing a consultation that involved everyone in the local community,as it should have been done. Now because of this not being done correctly, I have confirmation from a local councillor that the future of the play area is under review, a step in the right direction. I feel I have tried hard to make sure that this area is to stay for our local community at a cost NOT TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, but I have also suggested that if it comes down to cutting the grass then maybe we should ALL form an action group for our area and form a rota to cut the grass.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (14th Apr 2007 - 11:12:01) I have spoken to a lot of people and including myself we SUPPORT your decision NOT to buy the area. The council stipulated an area MUST be provided for the LOCAL children, at the planning stage of the Lyndons. Nowhere in any documentation, does it say that 3/4 years down the line would the developer offer the area for the Lyndons residents to buy and that if they didn't,then a decision was to be made between the developer and e.h.d.c for the play area to go. We are pushing them to adhere to the planning permission and for them to KEEP AND MAINTAIN AND INCUR THE COSTS of having the play area there. I feel I am trying to help our local community in keeping the said area and that this HAS to fall in the lap of EITHER the developer OR E.H.D.C. I'd also like to add that had we ALL been consulted properly (as the area was provided for everybody),by the developer or e.h.d.c in the first place,then we ALL could have got together on this matter. In the time we have been living here however, nobody has approached us in relation to the mowing of the grass and we would have been more than happy to become involved in the area's upkeep alongside the residents of the lyndons.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (14th Apr 2007 - 12:14:30) robert, if your referring to my post number 3 from the top of this page, i said that SOME residents want it gone. Now I said that because I have seen a copy of a strongly worded letter from 1 of your residents who strongly opposes the play area being there. I did not,however plan to mention this fact,but as you feel so strongly that I am giving the lyndons residents bad press (which if that were my intention, I would've told the local media about that letter), I thought I would mention that I put "some of the residents" want it gone, as I did not want that 1 resident to feel I/we are having a go about their opinion. So, I cannot win really can I. Again, I am doing this to help make our local community safe for our children to play in and everybody is entitled to their opinion on this matter BUT I want to make it crystal clear that this IS NOT AIMED at anybody residing at the Lyndons and am upset that you feel I am. We all have to live here happily together and thought I would try to help EVERYBODY out on this matter and to help in giving everybody who the play area was provided for in the first place,a chance to have their say. The meeting is definatly NOT going to be about residents against residents!! My intention is for it to be about the residents against the removal of the play area and for us to put our grievances to the authorities who will hopefully be attending

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (14th Apr 2007 - 18:24:07) The source, at the council that you are referring to, Daryl Phillips, told the media (not myself) "The residents were offered the opportunity by the developers to buy it,but they decided not to take it and asked for the park to be removed and on that basis we agreed for the equipment to be taken away" (see his quote in the herald) Now, those words are certainly not mine. I was unaware that Mr Phillips had made that comment directly to the media until I picked up the paper and read it and I certainly wasn't told he had said this by the press. Your grievances relating to this quote by Daryl Phillips are certainly nothing to do with myself personally,so if that quote has upset the residents of the Lyndons,then I suggest they take it up with Mr Phillips who said it,not myself. All along I have tried to make it clear, that I personally have not partioned any blame on the Lyndons residents and totally support their decision not to buy the site

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (17th Apr 2007 - 13:05:07) Today,the developer of The Lyndons, has rung me. He has informed me that they won't be attending the meeting on the basis that ,in their opinion. they have adhered to their side of the section 106 agreement relating to the provision of the play area and that he,personally is busy that day. The section 106 agreement was read out to me over the phone, and I am currently trying to obtain a copy of it, so I can present this to the council,along with other documentation ,at the meeting. My personal input to the meeting will be : to present the petition to the council,councillors and other authorities to present the section 106 agreement to the authorities and argue that they haven't adhered to this legally binding document to present the planning permission document which states an area must be provided for the children to play in to present the minutes of the meeting of which Liphook Parish council were present,when the planning permission was sought at the site, and they said at this meeting quote " the parish council would like to see public open space fenced,in order to ensure the safety of children " unquote I will also state that the decision to remove the play site and equipment did not go to a proper and thorough consultation process as stipulated by the Department for Communites and Local Government guidlines. All of the above,will be available for all to see at the meeting, or if you would like me to email you these documents ,id be more than happy to ( the section 106 agreement is something I am trying to get hold of, I can view it for free at the council offices but think It would be appropriate for me to buy a copy and bring it to the meeting) nikkiy76@aol.com I would like,to again, state,that I do not in any way,shape of form partion any blame on the lyndons residents. Theyre decision not to buy it is totally supported by us.It was wrong of the council NOT to go through the appropriate consultation process and that is the point I am arguing with the council about. I also feel it was wrong,and maybe a way of passing the buck,by Daryl Philips, to say his statement in the Liphook Herald.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - candyfloss (18th Apr 2007 - 19:17:37) To Passfield residents. I fully support your efforts to save your play area, and some of you may not have made friends - but your drive and determination has to be admired. My question has nothing to do with the playground but is aimed at anyone in passfield who can answer. Why when travelling towards Passfield along the Hollywater Road do we have a 40 mile an hour sign at the junction with the Headley Road. (opposite the P.O.). The main road clearly states its 50 and the Hollywater road is national speed limit. So do you have the shortest 40mph limit in the county (about 3 meters)? Most of that is stopping distance or a queue? I am just interested Candyfloss

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Chris (19th Apr 2007 - 14:46:00) ...it should be 40 all the way, full stop! That may help prevent some of the horrendous accidents that have occured in that area. I still find it unbelievable that a speed limit of 60mph applies to these small country roads.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (19th Apr 2007 - 17:08:42) I have,today, gone down to East Hants Council and purchased the Section 106 Agreement relating to what was formerly 1-4 Arundel Villas (now The Lyndons). I believe I am not allowed to make copies, but if anyone is wanting to view this agreement before the meeting,please do get in touch.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (21st Apr 2007 - 12:02:28) This is probably my last post before our meeting on Wednesday. I want to say a personal thankyou for all the kind cards and letters that have been landing on my doormat. They have,indeed kept me going throughout! Also,thanks to everyone who has signed the Petition (s),I have started to collect them and wow....what a lot of signatures. Lets hope this campaign ends to our satisfaction. Regards, Nicola

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (24th Apr 2007 - 18:32:18) A well deserved beer .... Tomorrow,after the meeting, a few of us are going for a beer at Passfield club and anyone who wishes to do so, is more than welcome!

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (25th Apr 2007 - 22:14:00) Thankyou thankyou thankyou!!...for all the support.Lets hope we get the result we're after.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (25th Apr 2007 - 22:21:55) Please, if you are in support of the play area staying where it is, tick the yes box in your forthcoming letter that will be arriving from EHDC. They are providing freepost envelopes. We need a majority of YES to keep the play park. I can now, do no more, its up to you guys to decide whether you want to keep it or not

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (30th Apr 2007 - 16:45:21) Has anyone received their letter from East Hants Council yet ? We were promised at the meeting last week that all letters would be received by 1st May

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - oscar (1st May 2007 - 21:33:42) I'm sorry but there is something i dont understand. Why do people move to a country village and then moan that there is nothing there ? My view is if you want to live out in the sticks, sticks are what you get . live in a town if you want things on your doorstep . its like moving next to a railway line and moaning about the trains making noise .

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (1st May 2007 - 21:37:47) Oscar, your post isn't even worth my reply

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - oscar (1st May 2007 - 21:51:11) it was as you left one. its my opinion, and its true . Thats why you have no answer

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (1st May 2007 - 22:03:45) if you are a regular to this forum, u will be aware that posts dont appear on here immediately. I do have an answer and that is....read all of the above posts,read the local media and then you might understand why we want to keep our childrens playground

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Candyfloss (1st May 2007 - 22:13:12) N Young As stated before any accident is bad, and i feel that you should have left the most recent one out of the subject for obvious reasons and because an investigation is under process. Do YOU know exactly what caused it?. Was it down to speed? Or perhaps down to what I said earlier, and Oscar confirmed - bad decision making!! As far as i know one car was pulling out of the Hollywater road, hardly speeding!! Many, many times drivers pull out - trying to 'get in front' of someone else - this happens everywhere and not just in Passfield. The most frequent offenders are those pulling out of the junction just past the triangle (opposite the old pub entrance), heading towards Liphook.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - LIS (1st May 2007 - 22:16:57) Actually Oscar, 'out in the sticks' we live alongside the busy road in Passfield . The one for which - according to your other posting this evening, we all pay road tax to drive along at speed in this busy, busy world.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - candyfloss (1st May 2007 - 22:19:32) Nikki I have responded in a supportive way to your fight, but I am surprised at your dealing with Oscar. He is right in his own way - what did your children do before the playpark was there?. My support was dropped the moment I heard a report on Delta radio, that had a comment that if the playpark be removed - the kids will have to play in the road!!!!. What sort of arguement is that. Perhaps you had one too many beers at the Club!!.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (1st May 2007 - 22:41:59) absolutly not candyfloss, only had 1 smirnoff Delta interviewed me . They aired only snippets of what i said. Our argument was not based on the fact that if it goes the kids will have to play in the road...it was based on the fact that the decision to remove it didn't go to a proper public consultation,which now it has. And also, if you attended the meeting,you would've learned that liphook parish council specifically asked for the fence to be erected at the planning stages of it .

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Candyfloss (2nd May 2007 - 23:14:06) Nikki, You seem to have assumed that I did not attend the meeting. What did the errection of a fence have to do with the debate? Whether I did or not is not the point. Candyfloss

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - n young (3rd May 2007 - 09:17:56) The fence around the play park is important because the play park is sited on the corner of the road thats why

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Art (10th May 2007 - 11:14:43) Maybe I'm a bit of a cynic but was the meeting at the playground just a big con? Set up just before the local elections and with all the publicity of the Liphook Herald and then nothing happens! We were promised a proper ballot to go out before the end of April and a guarantee that the council would the grass cut in the interim. So far nothing.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - nikki (10th May 2007 - 11:29:17) the vote papers have been sent out and you should be receiving them shortly. quite to the contrary... it may have gone a little quiet publicly but a lot has been happening behind the scenes. I won't let it rest until we get the result the majority of us want. And of course I set the meeting up before the elections for a reason ;o)

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Arthur (10th May 2007 - 12:05:31) Thank you. Your efforts are much appreciated.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - nikki (10th May 2007 - 12:19:24) No problem Arthur, I am contacting East Hants today regarding the grass

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - purplecurly (19th May 2007 - 13:53:53) Hello there Nikki, We are still anxiously awaiting our forms to say that we want to keep our facilities in Passfield. As of today we have still heard nothing on the matter in Arundel Close. I would also point out to the person asking about the fatal accident that it was caused by reckless and dangerous driving. The young girl was driving well with speed limits and the speeding BMW drove straight out of the Hollywater junction without looking. This is according to the witnesses who actually saw the horrendous event unfold. I arrived on the scene moments after and tried to keep the girl alive, but to no avail. It is outrageous that there are so many residential properties are located off Hollywater road and the limit has not been reduced accordingly. On almost every road I can think of – if you are going past a residential turning the limit is 30mph. I have been in one accident and one near miss when trying to pull out of Lynchborough Road. This is because the cars come so fast that when you look it is clear but by the time you have pulled out they have nearly hit you – due to their speed they can’t stop in time when you have pulled out and are going slowly. The same has happened when I have been stationary at that point and waiting to turn right into Lynchborough. Fast cars driving along Hollywater can’t see you until they come around the bend – and then it is too late if they are going 60. If the BMW has been going 30 he would have had ample time to look left and stop. Sadly this was not the case and we are all aware of the terrible consequences. It is a sad indictment against the National Trust that they would put trees and grass verges ahead of human life in this matter. The reason there has been no calming measures is because they refuse any encroachment onto the land that they own which lies on either side of the road.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Candyfloss (19th May 2007 - 18:33:16) Purpleculry There are a large number of roads in the area that have residential properties/businesses along more than 30mph, driving towards Farnham the speed limits vary from 50 to 40 to 30, and with no disrespect they are much busier than Passfield!! Bordon high street has only recently been changed to 30mph and it is very hard to stick to - trust me, I have to set my cruse control on so I dont over do it. I know all to well the junction you refer to, but usually, when I am aproaching, the 'waiting' car from Lynchborough Road, doesnt want to wait, and hopes to jump in first. Patience is a virtue!! [editor - had a similar experience this week at Passfield. I was the only car on the road, heading to Bordon, nothing coming towards me. The car waiting to leave Hollywater Road pulled straight out in front of me instead of waiting a few more seconds to exit safely - what a muppet ! I did miss it though.]

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Chris (21st May 2007 - 07:35:36) I read in the Herald about the mix-up regarding the play area and also about the unused funds donated by developers to improve safety at the cross-roads (£30,000 of it). With respect to that, it seems that the NT is the sticking point and their dogged determination regarding land use has delayed the road safety improvements. Come on NT, give it up! Road safety is slightly more important than a couple of square yards of grass. Within five years of this money being available, it will have to be handed back to the developers, plus interest accumulated. Not sure how long we have left but something needs to be done to break the deadlock.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Candyfloss (21st May 2007 - 08:37:28) Chris You are on to a good thing here!. But I do remember recently the NT doing a lot of tree felling/clearing of overhanging branches. Would this have been something they normally do, or would this have been their contribution to 'road improvement'?

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - purplecurly (21st May 2007 - 12:38:32) Hi there Just to clarify. It is the latter end of Hollywater Road - (where the residential road of Lynchborough Close joins) that I am calling for the speed reduction on. It was along this road, currently a 60MPH limit, that the BMW was travelling and bombarded the girl now deceased. I am refering to the dangers of pulling out of Lynchborough Road which is only a few yards from a blind corner - with stupid drivers hurtling towards you at 60 despite the fact that there is a STOP junction only just ahead. Although I would like the main stretch through Passfield to be reduced, I don't hold my breath - I think a traffic island is the best we can hope for. On that point - it was interesting to note that the 'powers that be' had decided that there was not enough foot traffic to warrant a crossing. This is rather a chicken and egg argument!! If there was a safe crossing - we do that - CROSS. As it is, my elderly neighbour drives from Arundel Close to the post office becuase she can't get across in time!

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - nikki (21st May 2007 - 19:34:27) To Purplecurly, How awful for you to have been witness to the aftermath of that tragic accident. Pure bravery on your part for doing all you could for the victim. CandyFloss, I realise that every village/town/City in the Uk has traffic related problems but we are here to raise awareness of our local problem and that is the b3004. No,we probably can't make much of a difference but it is better to be pro active rather than sitting back and doing nothing. We had monies allocated to safety measures on this road and as of yet, it hasn't been spent. Purplecurly, I will make ehdc aware that your road didn't receive the voting documentation.

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Candyfloss (21st May 2007 - 19:56:55) Girls, I am fully aware of the Junction and have noted that in my reply, and also I understand what you are saying - its just difficult to generalise that all car users are travelling so fast that your 'special' piece of road needs to be reduced to 30. If the driver was still travelling at 60 then more should be done to make the road user aware. I thought it was a Give Way sign and not a STOP sign. and I fail to see solid white lines on the road. Perhaps I am driving with undue care and attention too. Will look the next time - did notice today the new 50mph sign, well do Ed. I am not against local people fighting their corner, I too am trying the same in Liphook, but I am not altogether sure that the change will make a difference to HOW people drive. The junction at Hollywater/Headly Road is so messy, and today when waiting to turn into the Headly Road, cars, indicators and people were everywhere, and total confusion abound. If you want to fight this - you have my full support!!

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - Chris (22nd May 2007 - 07:20:25) 'Fraid it will only get worse whilst the A3 tunnel is under construction. I can only re-iterate what I have said before and that is to write to EHDC with copies of the letter to Hampshire Highways. Head your letters "B3004 aproach to Passfield and Hollywater rd junction" or something like that. If they don't see any letters they won't act. Believe me, it does work if there are enough complaints. It's down to us!

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - nikki (22nd May 2007 - 14:23:00) Have had confirmation from East Hants Council today that the votes have been counted ( relating to our play park)...and the response to keep it have been overwhelming..numbers in double figures to keep it and 5 votes against it. It now has to go to a council committee meeting,from then on,we should soon know if our campaigning has paid off

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - purplecurly (22nd May 2007 - 20:53:57) I wonder how many other roads in Passfield didn't get a voice??? Was mine the only one?

Re: Removal of childrens play area,Lynchborough road,Passfield - nikki (23rd May 2007 - 10:00:45) To Purplecurly, If you are who I think you are, I know that sometimes (well quite a lot)....your address comes up as mine on searches....ie...when applying for anything....I know we have the same house number and postcode, maybe a glitch on electrol? You should contact Mr Turner at EHDC and tell him that you didn't receive your voting forms. Im not sure who else didn't receive them to be honest, but I do know that about 70 households replied to EHDC with their votes. Would you like me to take it up with them for you? Thanks, from Nikki

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