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Drivers - j (28th Apr 2012 - 00:26:32) In liphook I find it so frustrating that some drivers, always seem to be in a rush to get somewhere and never go the correct speed limit. I find that those speed signs has not changed the speed people drive. As a young driver myself it irritates me, especially as many drivers my age and younger are involved in accidents, I just don't want to hear any more bad news as it breaks my heart to hear such things. So please drive slow and respect the limit.

Re: Drivers - Susie (28th Apr 2012 - 08:13:19) J you know we're all going to agree, it doesn't seem to be anyone who reads these pages though! I was trying to cross the Midhurst road the other day to walk myself and the dog over to Iron hill. A car came flying over the hill there, in the middle of the road and as he passed me he kept staring at me and chatting on his phone. What an idiot (I substituted the actual word I wanted to say). I'm just glad I wasn't driving towards him. Oh and he wasn't a young man either, most of the people who I see on the phone or driving stupidly are men or women in their 20s/30/s. People who really should know better but who think an accident will never happen to them because they are good drivers. You can't multitask when driving and be safe. You wouldn't multitask while shooting a gun, cars can be even more dangerous.

Re: Drivers - Andy (28th Apr 2012 - 09:22:32) Coming back from Bordon this morning I was doing 40 along the Passfield Road and was passed at speed by someone in a 4wd Volvo. Guess what? - by the time we reached Liphook I was directly behind him / her again so they had gained precisely 1/2 second by speeding and overtaking unnecessarily. Some people are just that stupid, unfortunately. Such a shame the mobile speed cameras weren't out... Oh - and does anyone reading this know why the Selbourne Road is so heavily policed? Honestly, more than 50% of the time I drive it I will see a police vehicle of some variation between Ham Barn and Alton. It's amazing, or is this a regular Police run for some reason?

Re: Drivers - Jackie (28th Apr 2012 - 11:01:47) I agree, there have been a lot of fatal accidents recently involving very young drivers and passengers. My heart goes out to the families and friends of these victims. I don't know what the answer is to this unfortunately. Speeders are everywhere too, driving inconsiderately and dangerously is the norm for many drivers. . I assumed the Police prescence around the Ham Barn roundabout was simply due to it's location and convenience to pursue offenders when necessary. Maybe they will catch some of the inconsiderate divers.

Re: Drivers - a local (29th Apr 2012 - 10:43:48) totally agree,....but i have to point out , the lack of drivers, noticing the zebra crossing, by the Avenue,......i have lost count, the amount of times i have been stood at the Zebra crossing, and not just 1,..but upto 4 cars have passed over the crossing,..while not just me,..but children are there waiting to cross,....and this has happened many, many occasions,....and not just young drivers,.........do they not realise that pedestrians have right of way, on a Zebra crossing,..................defienetly needs police presence there!

Re: Drivers - j (29th Apr 2012 - 14:29:03) It's just so hard to find a way to reach out to people and make them aware of how dangerous driving is especially in this weather.

Re: Drivers - j (29th Apr 2012 - 15:03:32) I know everyone is going to agree with what I say I just don't know how to voice my opinion to people who do not care. There are just too many ignorant people round here who think they know everything and abuse the law by making their own rules on how to drive. We need some authority to help make people aware of the dangers they could cause to themselves are others.

Re: Drivers - Highway code (29th Apr 2012 - 15:06:03) Ref zebra crossing Driver ONLY have to give way IF pedestrians are on the crossing NOT if they are waiting to cross. bUt it is common courtesy to stop and let people cross. Which to me is dangerous so i guess let your big toe tickle the. Rossing to get vehicles to stop and make sure you wear steel toe caPs just in case

Re: Drivers - Steve (29th Apr 2012 - 18:34:08) Quote -' It's just so hard to find a way to reach out to people and make them aware of how dangerous driving is especially in this weather.' Simple make them accompany the emergency services on call outs to RTA's like the fatal at Passfield the other night. Go round to someones house and have to let them know that a loved one will not be coming home ever again. Tragic, but will it change anything, I expect not.

Re: Drivers - a local (29th Apr 2012 - 19:08:59) Highway code: i wouldnt like to be on the Zebra crossing, when those numpties, come flying through! quote: If the traffic does not stop, then you can carefully put one foot on the crossing. This means that the right of way is legally yours, and the traffic must stop so that you can cross.

Re: Drivers - jo herridge (29th Apr 2012 - 21:47:54) On the school run this past week myself and others have noticed that when traffic is queuing to go into the avenue other cars that wish to carry on ahead down towards passfield direction overtake the waiting traffic. The trouble with this is that as traffic is at a standstill pedestrians think it is safe to cross at the crossing. It is only a matter of time before someone is injured or worse. Also I was driving along the Haslemere Road a few days ago when an impatient driver overtook me as I was driving at 30mph. This is also a frequent occurence along the Passfield straight too. 40mph is not fast enough for some. I am not sure what the answer is, some people will always be like it until either they have a serious accident or someone they love does.

Re: Drivers - tony m (29th Apr 2012 - 21:54:54) I think driving in the countryside is much more dangerous than cities because you can't ever really pick up much speed in cities. On rural roads which are long and windy, often narrow with ditches and trees all along people drive at 60 or 70mph passing each other wing mirror to mirror at a combined spped of well over 100mph. Sadly it's teenagers with their first car who seem to get killed and injured most. Road design,better training (young drivers should be taken to see the results and maybe have to speak to crash victims before getting their licences), more policing and things like video cameras in young peoples cars(required by some insurers especially abroad) could help make roads a little safer.

Re: Drivers - j (30th Apr 2012 - 11:39:37) I always get over taken down haslemere road its like everyone is in a rush but im not going to speed up just so they dont need to overtake. i know at the moment all you hear is accidents with young drivers but its not just young drivers that are irresponsible, it is a lot of older drivers who are used to driving and think they rule the road. the other day made me angry when i saw a lot of cars beeping at a learner driver, and im sorry but that is not very fair at all. everyone once was a learner driver and how do they expect to practice if they have people behind them pressuring them to go at a round a bout and it doesnt set a very good example either!!

Re: Drivers - Andy Stevenson (30th Apr 2012 - 17:15:59) I drive a Brand New Car, due to work reasons, I actually fear the stuiped drivers that are aged 40-60 that go past me over the round abouts and almost take my back end off. One Guy was on his phone coming out of London Road, whilst I was heading from Headly Rd towards the centre of the village. I had to slam my breaks on as he didnt look right??? isnt that the Law in this country?? A car the other day was doing 30 down the haslemere road, past hammer on the way to the village, I understand 50 ish MPH but doing 30 is a danger, In Germany they pull over cars that are not doing the correct speed, this was only just half the limit. ( I DONT GO FAST but these people cause accidents by not T H I N K I N G... I was walking down headly road and saw a lady with a buggy trying to cross at the crossing near the Avenue. 4 cars went past then a young guy in a Red VW stopped and flashed the car opposite to stop as well. Dont think all young drivers are bad... She smiled and waved thanking him, that was a young person who drives well, wish more were like that.

Re: Drivers - Andy (30th Apr 2012 - 19:20:36) J - you may not be willing to "rush" down Haslemere Road but are you driving too slowly? The limit is 60mph for the most part so if you're not doing in the region of at least 50 on a clear day then you're driving too slowly which is every bit as dangerous to you and others as speeding is.

Re: Drivers - j (30th Apr 2012 - 19:37:11) Haslemere road in LIPHOOK is 30mph!! I am very well aware that driving slow can too cause accidents

Re: Drivers - Andy (1st May 2012 - 10:14:11) J - Apologies, I'm thinking of the Liphook Road (to Haslemere) as opposed to the Haslemere Road itself, have just checked on a map. I don't suggest anyone drive down the Haslemere Road at 50! (Although some do).

Re: Drivers - nick (1st May 2012 - 11:30:04) If you have a drive on your property why isnt it used for the purpose its there for.Headley Rd top end around no 58 upwards there seem to at least 2 cars parked in the road every day of the week causing more frustration to other users ( THESE CARS ARE NOT ON A SHORT STOP SEEMS THEY ARE THERE ALL DAY SOMETIMES.) In regards to driving at speed the speed limit is the max you can travel at safely it doesnt mean you should drive at the max speed all of ther time especially when there is a lot of traffic and pedestians about does it?

Re: Drivers - H (1st May 2012 - 14:27:26) And you're going to stop & allow Headley Road residents to reverse in/ out of their drives are you Nick? I've witnessed irrate drivers making it difficult for the co-op lorries to access their car park!

Re: Drivers - nick (1st May 2012 - 15:36:56) H your comment noted and the answer is yes i would let them out. Co-op is another matter as refurb is taking place . What i am on about is cars parking on the road all day which you did not comment on.

Re: Drivers - H (1st May 2012 - 16:54:07) Nick...are the vehicles parked on double yellow lines? If not then what's the problem. Actually without them parked there then it would encourage even more speeding I'm sure. My point is if drivers won't stop to allow an articulated lorry reverse in/ out of a shop car park then what chance do residents have. Good on them I say.

Re: Drivers - H (1st May 2012 - 17:05:07) More to the point, you find it inconvenient to stop & allow oncoming traffic through ,whilst you wait a few moments until its clear to maneuver around parked cars, yet you wouldn't find it inconvenient to wait whilst allowing said residents to reverse in/out of their drives? Please note - H is not the same person as h

Re: Drivers - nick (1st May 2012 - 17:33:46) Parking on highways/pavements is classed as obstructiing a public Higthway hindering the flow of traffic whether walking or driving.In regards to the last comment cant be bothered to reply to it case closed as far as i am concerned with you H

Re: Drivers - H (1st May 2012 - 18:11:18) Hey what's wrong with a constructive debate? You asked why residents park on the road and I threw a possible reason into the discussion. If you feel that criminal offences are being committed why not contact the police with your concerns instead of naming and shaming the residents of liphook. The end :)

Re: Drivers - Amanda (3rd May 2012 - 09:51:39) Well I thought that I'd seen it all... people talking on their mobiles while driving, not giving way to the right at roundabouts but today..... travelled along Haslemere Rd towards the village and queued at the first roundabout at Kelway Law. I was car number three and the car in front of me, or rather beast of a Land Rover, decided to overtake first car in the queue who was waiting to get over roundabout to travel towards Anchor! The Land Rover didnt get very far at all in fact sat on the raised part of the roundabout. Unbelieveable behaviour and what did it achieve... absolutley nothing. I'll say nothing of the incident I witnessed on Monday when a car failed to stop at Zebra crossing outside Anchor despite two Bohunt school children already crossing the road!

Re: Drivers - John Pontet (3rd May 2012 - 10:12:56) Oh, dear! Intolerance on the road overspills into intolerance in the debate! Pleased to see someone has corrected the person who thought pedestrians have right of way on zebra crossings - any adult should know better. My experience of problems at the junction of Headley Road and The Avenue is queuing in Headley Road caused by queuing in The Avenue, which is caused by parking in The Avenue. It's perfectly legal to park in The Avenue so in the absence of double yellow lines, we have to grin a bear it. Speeding in and around the village appears to have become worse in recent years. We need more traffic calming measures but not the type that punishes drivers travelling within the speed limit.

Re: Drivers - A. Ryan (3rd May 2012 - 10:17:57) What annoys me are people who wait till they get to the roundabouts to indicate.! This holds the traffic up. With so many roundabouts in Liphook a little more forethought would make things run smoother.

Re: Drivers - Sue D (3rd May 2012 - 13:51:43) That's if they bother to indicate at all!! In my daily experience round the village very few drivers see the need to indicate at any of the roundabouts - so frustrating!

Re: Drivers - Paul (3rd May 2012 - 16:33:26) My 'favourite; at the moment is approaching the mini-roundabout from The Square in the mornings - to turn right into London Road. Once safely 'into' the turn (i.e. with right of way, just for that moment - having queued, been courteous, smiled at other drivers etc), I never fail to be amazed by drivers coming from Headley and Longmoor who STILL drive straight through the mini-roundabout even though you are on it / were on it when they approached / will still be on it when they execute their (me, me, me) turn regardless! They either want to have a crash, or have some seriously important life-changing business in the village that means they cannot possibly stop or obey travel regulations. Some seriously selfish folk come through the roads of Liphook at times. Is the only solution a man with a red flag walking 200ft in front of every motorised vehicle?

Re: Drivers - Andy (3rd May 2012 - 17:26:39) Paul - Interesting perspective. I have a major problem with people treating that roundabout like a chicane, not slowing as they enter it or giving way to traffic already on the roundabout. Some almost treat it like it doesn't exist, accelerating from the square all the way straight over to the Bordon Road.

Re: Drivers - Keith Thomas (5th May 2012 - 09:31:10) You're right Andy. I think the reason must be that these drivers have their own version of the Highway Code which says "right of way at a roundabout is determined by speed; the fastest car goes first". I've only lived in Liphook for 11 months but have had so many near misses when I come up the Headley Road and turn right into Longmoor Road, my headlights are on (daytime running lights) indicator flashing right, yet cars coming from the Market Square still just drive straight at me as I'm coming round. Idiots. Keith

Re: Drivers - Jay W (5th May 2012 - 12:05:46) and then there are the pedestrians who insist on trying to cross the Headley Road right where it joins the roundabout! I was always taught to move further down the road so the drivers had more chance of concentrating on you as a pedestrian rather than trying to cross the roundabout. I hopemy children remember to do the same but fear they may just go with the swarm.

Re: Drivers - Griggs Green Resident (5th May 2012 - 12:41:45) Keith I have the same problem as you! Perhaps someone can help me out here? I indicate right to go ROUND the roundabout but most people seem to either go over the top of it or cut across diagonally (sometimes missing the roundabout completely!), with this type of roundabout what is the correct way for car drivers to use it? Are they in the wrong if they drive over the top of it? I understand if you're a large vehicle and thats why the roundabouts are made that way, but I really am getting to the point of if you can't beat them join them as it seems to be the done thing! And don't worry people of liphook if your indicating to go round the roundabout I won't pull out in front of you!

Re: Drivers - jen (7th May 2012 - 12:57:27) I have been reading this thread with interest and am not surprised that the comments have gone on to include the mini-roundabouts in the centre of Liphook. I have had several near misses recently because people haven't slowed down (if they are going straight on they seem to think they can just drive in a straight line over the roundabout), lack of indicating, not looking because they're too busy on their mobiles and overtaking on the actual roundabouts! People generally seem to be too impatient. Also some seem to be unaware of the Highway Code rules for roundabouts. Obviously you give way to traffic coming from the right but some people (going straight on) seem to think that even if they are some distance from the roundabout you should sit and wait for them to arrive just so they don't have to slow down!

Re: Drivers - A. Ryan (7th May 2012 - 19:24:43) It seems obvious to me if all cars indicated 4 even 5 cars back in each approach to the roundabout then everyone would know exactly when to proceed, one slight exception is the blind spot coming into Liphook on the Haslemere Road viewing traffic from the left. School mornings should really mean paying attention, as you have to deal with our kids walking through the village. But isn't this what we passed our test for.!! Phones, cigarettes, cd's, leave them be , at least till you are clear of the village.

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