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By Election Candidates - Eneida (8th Jun 2006 - 18:12:59) I have just read John Carne's election spill in the Herald and I'm sorry to say he's annoyed me! He starts by saying that he is disillusioned by the current Council's lack of contact with the local population, then seems to imply that HE was totally responsible for the by-election being held because HE organised a petition....I'm sure he did, but I and others who wrote to EHDC had never heard of this man at the time!! ...I wrote because of Finchie's post on this website. Then he appears to suggest he will press for a local website, if elected, to post Council information on...well Freddie has been doing that here for years! Has he never heard of Liphook.co.uk or does he consider the posters here of no importance? (James Arbuthnot thinks we worth talking to :) ) Perhaps Dr. Carne is the one who's out of touch with the local population....just my opinion of course. Eneida

Re: By Election Candidates - Barbara (8th Jun 2006 - 18:51:29) I was too lazy and too hot to go and buy the Herald, but I will now! I think you should have stood Enieda there is only one other woman, I think on the local Parish Council- why should men have it all their own way? Sometimes a female perspective cuts through all the ****. I hope there is a good turnout, to justify only two choices of candidate. I particularly hope that more publicity is given to how much things are costing. For example on the previous thread Councillor Dawkins said that a bye election is expensive- Then I read in Partners magazine that the taxpayers of hampshire pay for a minibus to take up to 20 staff into the middle of Petersfield to pay in cheques etc and go to the post office. This is extravangant! 1, the postman collects from large businesses, two, local authorities usually bank direct with the Bank of England so they could not use the facilities in Petersfield anyway! Please try and cut costs whoever is elected!

Re: By Election Candidates - Flossie (8th Jun 2006 - 19:23:43) I would agree Eneida, I have never seen Dr Carne at a parish council meeting in Liphook in the past, and I have attended a few. So I am as disillusioned with him and his apparrent lack of contact with what goes on at PC meetings as he is with the PC. Some of his statements (and also those of the other candidate, Nigel Newman) are made without knowing any of the facts and I think it would be a good idea for both of them to aqaint themselves with the true situation before making wild statements to the press. In fact, wild statements to the press are just what we don't need and usually end up causing more problems than they're worth. Not only does Freddie regularly post on this web site but I believe the PC are about to launch their own so that news of events and meetings can be published. This is just one more sorry example of people assuming they know whats what without checking first. If the existing councillors where to act in the same way we would really be in trouble with all sorts of assumptions flying around. The current parish council I believe act very professionally and are at least trying to do the best for the village despite the lack of interested people attending their meetings on a regular basis and not just at times when issues hit the press? I wonder if people really understand just how much time and effort the present councillors put in on a weekly basis which is all voluntary and unpaid. I also see in the Herald that Dr Carne says that the by election is due to his "successful petition" and that the election is therefore democratic. I wonder if he would be turning down the opportunity to be on the council if he was the only candidate as he would then have to be co-opted like other councillors have in the past. That has only happened because no one else wanted to bother. Even if councillors were co-opted does that make them any less committed? Please lets just have people that are sensible, rational and prepared to consider all the facts before launching off at others. What a shame he has got off to a negative start.

Re: By Election Candidates - rob (8th Jun 2006 - 21:18:54) Why is the PC going to launch its own site? Why can't it arrange to put its material on liphook.co.uk? I don't want to have to go somewhere else to find out what they're up to when I look regularly at l.c.u anyway. At the very least, it would be good if l.c.u could put up a link to the PC site. Rob.

Re: By Election Candidates - Ferret (10th Jun 2006 - 01:41:29) Enieda, You are getting the flavour of it, then. I read the same article in the Herald and was particularly struck by Dr. Carne's pomposity suggesting that those who serve the community as councillors now need a bit of sorting out! Don't know all our local councillors, but if one of them had become involved in an air-rage situation, displaying a total arrogance to fellow passengers, and, especially, crew, we might like to know about it before casting our votes, as this would certainly be a guide to the character of the candidate. Sorry, Enieda, I appreciate that you would like me to be more forthcoming on info source, etc. Check it out yourself.

Re: By Election Candidates - Barbara (10th Jun 2006 - 13:05:23) Thanks for the glimmer of an idea now what you were referring to, Ferret.I had vaguely heard something about this but are you 100%sure it is the same person? I heard it was a diplomat who lived in Gentles Lane Headley. If this is the same person there is nothing on the internet search-how do we find out more? Perhaps they were both travelling together? If any local journalists read this site perhaps they can ask him? If it is out in the open by next week it would be a good thing

Re: By Election Candidates - Eneida (10th Jun 2006 - 16:00:19) Dear Ferret On the 24 of Jan 2006 there was an article on the BBC News on line saying that a Col. Peter Roberts of Passfield, Liphook was cleared of air rage. If you google uk diplomat in air rage just as I've written it, you'll see a picture of the man in question. I'm just pointing this out because you may be mistaken in your previous assumptions. Of course, two men from Passfield may have recently committed 'air rage', but it does seem unlikely! Eneida

Re: By Election Candidates - James Arbuthnot (13th Jun 2006 - 21:56:37) Eneida is right - I do think this website is worthwhile. And it's fun, which keeps me coming back to it. I learn a lot from what people say on it. Why don't other villages do it? I suppose the reason must be that to create a successful website like this, one must need an utterly dedicated webmaster, and they don't grow on trees.

Re: By Election Candidates - Barbara (13th Jun 2006 - 22:13:49) It is good to see our local MP taking an interest in our local talkback- I hope that thereby some of our concerns are taken seriously. I do not expect he will be brave enough to venture any of his own opinions on here, although I hope he will now!

Re: By Election Candidates - James Arbuthnot (14th Jun 2006 - 08:34:14) Why say that? I did venture my own opinions on this website in relation to the South West Train issue that Finchie and others got going. But I don't expect people would welcome my muscling in on a parish council election, perhaps least of all the candidates themselves.

Re: By Election Candidates - Eneida (14th Jun 2006 - 08:53:06) Barbara, Since you've only just recently joined this website, you're probably unaware, but James has been 'brave enough' to voice his opinions on here several times in the past and has even answered questions as well!! Quite refreshing behaviour for an MP in my opinion :) Eneida

Re: By Election Candidates - Barbara (14th Jun 2006 - 10:30:46) Sorry Enieda and James Arbuthnot you are right, I have only recently had access at home to broadband so I have not seen the previous years postings. There is actually a Headley Website but from memory the residents page was called "Parish Pump" and not used for conversation, more for can anybody trace my relatives? It was not set up in the same way. James how is the Bill going in Parliament to stop people selling parts of their back garden? I read something in the paper about a new land profit tax, is this to do with it?

Re: By Election Candidates - James Arbuthnot (14th Jun 2006 - 17:51:49) Sadly, that Bill was more an expression of opinion than a vehicle for a change in the law, because it was introduced by an Opposition backbencher (Greg Clarke) and not a government minister. So it will get nowhere - this time. And probably next time too. But the value in introducing such a Bill is that it begins to build a core of support and attention, and sometimes it is the start of a really useful campaign that becomes overwhelming. It does all take time. I supported the Bill, because back gardens are part of the character of an area like Liphook. The Bill would stop back gardens being treated as "brownfield" sites and so a priority for development. If it were to succeed, though, where else would all the development pressures take us? Green field sites being taken instead? I wish there were easier answers to this problem. My own view for what it's worth is that there aren't those easy answers, but that the harder the decisions, the more they should be taken by local people without imposition from central government. And Eneida, thank you. I still like you.

Re: By Election Candidates - barbara (15th Jun 2006 - 10:34:17) Thanks for the explaination James, we are suffering from this land issue in the south more than anywhere else, one solution would be for firms/ government depts to relocate to areas where there is no percieved housing shortage. Also the developers have initiated a campain to scare people that there is not enough housing. I heard on the radio that the Governments Key worker scheme has a very low take up rate with Key workers so they are widening the scheme to make it appear succesful. Apparently more than 60,000 key worker homes have been built already and there is not more than about 70-85% take up on them. There was a local case here where a developer appealed for people via the local newspaper to come forward to support his justification for building in an ANOB. Hopefully local councillors are wise to this sort of deviousness. Also the proposed taxation of anyone with a "View" or patio or conservatory is unworkable. Is this just another ploy to release more land for housing? The king Georges Site in Liphook has been another ploy. People came forward at a local meeting to ask for affordable homes, not enough objections were recieved because two alternative schemes were put forward, one for supposedly social housing and one for a retirement village. This was nonsense, because all along on the developers website, were postings regarding the site, that it was set in stone to be a retirement village. Developers can be extremely ruthless and play the system and the public to their own advantage not to help those in most need of housing.

Re: By Election Candidates - LippyChick (16th Jun 2006 - 10:14:38) I've just met one of our local Candidates. Nigel Newman. Seems like a nice bloke with a bit of common sense to boot. I haven't heard anything from our other candidate yet. Do like the strapline on Nigels flyer though, ....it's not rocket science, it's just common sense. Bravo to that! Lips x

Re: By Election Candidates - Eneida (16th Jun 2006 - 11:03:13) Hi Lips! I haven't met Mr Newman but I liked what he had to say in the Herald.....common sense and no 'pomposity'!! Eneida

Re: By Election Candidates - Barbara (16th Jun 2006 - 12:42:32) For those of us who don't recieve a flyer or meet Nigel, can you reproduce some of it on here? I'm impressed he is out and about meeting local people, shows a commitment to the work. I admire anyone willing to give their free time to the Parish Council it can at times I'm sure seem a thankless task! The consensus so far on here is that Nigel Newman seems very down to earth and in touch. [Editor] Nigel's flyer can be seen by clicking here

Re: By Election Candidates - LippyChick (16th Jun 2006 - 16:09:02) Hi Barbara Nigel Newman has stood for council because he believes 'it's time for some plain speaking on local issues'. He also thinks that 'Liphook must face the inevitability that it is turning from a village into a town'. He has lived in the area all his life. He states he is against meetings behind closed doors, taking responsibility - ie no sloping shoulders and no more running the council like a closed shop. He says he will be asking questions, getting answers and making our interests his interests. That's the flyer in a nutshell, and it all sounds fair enough to me, so I chatted with him about one or two of his comments and liked his answers. To me he seems like a genuine local man prepared to give up his own time for the good of Liphook :) Lips x

Re: By Election Candidates - Freddie Dawkins (16th Jun 2006 - 16:38:41) Just remember to go and vote next week. Whichever candidate you intend to support - make the effort to cast your vote. That's what we need for a truly democratic society.

Re: By Election Candidates - LippyChick (16th Jun 2006 - 21:27:59) Absolutely agree Freddy. Apathy is the biggest danger to the democratic process. Lips x

Re: By Election Candidates - john carne (17th Jun 2006 - 10:40:48) I have been asked by several parishioners to publish my manifesto. It is unfortunate that several anonymous contributors considered that the brief precis in the Herald appeared pompous - blame that on the editorial shrinking of the synopsis I submitted. In essence, I want to see a more open and democratic parish involvement in our unique village, with locals able to express their views more easily, and for these to be acted upon. That was why I initiated the petition for an election to be held, and why I put myself forward as a candidate: however, I am disappointed that only one other candidate has put himself forward despite the initial interest that was shown. Perhaps some of my anonymous detractors would care to come out from behind their pseudonyms and put themselves forward at the full elections next year? I am delighted that I am not a lone voice - Nigel Newman and I have similar aims. Please encourage your family, friends and neighbours to vote - their interests are at heart. John Carne

Re: By Election Candidates - Eneida Nelson (17th Jun 2006 - 18:23:58) Dear Dr. Carne, Thank you for publishing your manifesto on Liphook.co.uk, I'm sure it will be read with much interest. I suppose when someone decides to go into politics, local or otherwise, they must expect not to appeal to everybody....it goes with the territory! I can assure you there's nothing anonymous about me...I speak as I find. Eneida

Re: By Election Candidates - LippyChick (17th Jun 2006 - 19:38:17) Dr Carne :) Thank you for visiting the site and for giving us an insight into your manifesto. I for one am a little confused now. Yourself and Mr Newman have similar ideas as you have stated. With the best will in the world this makes it difficult for voters to choose between you. Can you give us solid reasons as to why our votes should go your way? Regards Lips x

Re: By Election Candidates - Eneida Nelson (19th Jun 2006 - 11:15:18) Dear Dr. Carne, Since this by-election has only come about because of Simon Coyte's resignation over the Scouts & Guides issue (and actually I wish he hadn't resigned!) could you let us know your views of this important matter?? Nigel Newman has already made his views clear on his manifesto, so I'm assuming it's in order for you to do the same. It might make it easier for the voters to choose between you. Eneida

Re: By Election Candidates - Rhys G. (19th Jun 2006 - 13:25:45) VOTE NIGEL! It is about time we had someone on the council that stands up for our community, that is being changed by councillors who don't understand the real issues that matter to the majority of us.

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