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Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Philip (17th May 2006 - 17:33:14) I am greatly disturbed to hear that Southern Water has applied for a Drought Order that will directly affect the Liphook area and community. Can I 'sound off' a little, under the guise of getting support or guidance ... ! How can any qater utility have the gall to insist its paying customers should restrict water usage when they are willingly leaking tens of thousands of gallons of water every day from mismanaged assets? And why should anyone pay a standing charge for a restricted service? I have already seen neighbours refuse to adhere to the hospipe ban, yet on my side of the fence we are sensibly conserving water as any normal, sensible individual should be doing. My 'argument' then is 2 fold: (a) why is there not a wider backlash to Water Utilities over their mismanagement of pipes and leakage, and (b) why should consumers stump up the Standing Charge for shoddy, restricted service. Please don't let Southern Water foul this issue by claiming they need investment to fix leaks - they are hardly a charity as it stands. Any thoughts?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Stephen (19th May 2006 - 13:33:06) When oil supply is restricted, gas and electricity companies put up their prices. Not nice but that's the law of supply and demand. When water is scarce what do water companies do? Stop people washing their cars and watering their lawns, but still charge everyone (including business) the same unit price. So where's the incentive for us to buy water butts, use washing machines less, not flush for number ones, etc? Meters aren't even compulsary. My proposal - every household has a monthly allowance of water at a reasonable rate, then any use above that amount is charged at ten times the price.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Philip (19th May 2006 - 17:14:13) Some stats taken from the BBC Website today on Southern - lots of leaks then, but I can't wash the car! Population supplied: 1m Daily supply: 584m litres Mains pipe: 13,410 km Leakage: 92m litres/day (89 litres/property/day) Supply source: 22% surface, 48% ground, 30% mixed

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Paul Robinson (19th May 2006 - 22:00:57) I understand that we now get some of our gas from Russia and the Baltic States. We get an increasing amount of electricity from France. We pump aviation fuel from storage locations in Thurrock and Hertfordshire direct to Stanstead and Heathrow, so why can't we pump water from the Lake District where they have more than they need to the South East where Mr Prescott wants us to live? Discuss.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (21st May 2006 - 15:45:24) I think Him Up Above definitely has a sense of humour :) Whenever the word 'Drought' gets used extensively in the media we get drenched and flooded!! It was exactly the same in 1976, as soon as a Labour person (can't recall his name) was made Minister for Drought, the rain poured down and people were queuing to use stand pipes in their wellies. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Philip (22nd May 2006 - 09:47:32) (My last post on the subject) ... Presume the last 3 days of heavy rain were "...the wrong sort of rain ..."?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - S (22nd May 2006 - 10:24:52) Apparantly it's raining far too fast for the collectors to get it so it has made no difference to the water levels.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - lesley (22nd May 2006 - 16:18:52) So, have we got a hose pipe ban in the village or not? and can I still top up my pool?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - liz (23rd May 2006 - 09:14:33) Southern Water currently has no water restrictions in Hampshire.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Alan (23rd May 2006 - 13:37:36) I think all of Liphook is supplied by 'South East Water' Their web site is www.southeastwater.co.uk and says: "South East Water is reminding people that a hosepipe ban is in force for customers in its Sussex, Kent, North Hampshire, Berkshire and Surrey water supply area." So I'm afraid that there is a hosepipe ban in Liphook .... unless you know otherwise.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - liz (23rd May 2006 - 14:03:38) Alan you're quite right. Apologies for the wrong info. Good thing its been raining or I could have been in trouble!!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Stephen (23rd May 2006 - 15:35:55) Is Hants a recent addition to SE Water's hosepipe ban, which I had thought only applied to Sussex and Kent areas? Call me Mr Thicky for not noticing - but more people might obey the ban if it was a little more widely publicised!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Philip (8th Jun 2006 - 09:01:39) The ban on hosepipes does extend to Liphook. However - there is absolute FLAGRANT disregard for the restrictions by certain persons in Liphook, which means that many of us are being 'punished' through restrictions due to the selfishness and arrogance of narrow-minded others. Shame on them.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - barbara (8th Jun 2006 - 11:47:06) Perhaps people are unaware that the order applies to them? What are we allowed to do ? I do think the water situation is crazy, as there are extraction licenses allowed for soft drinks companies and beer companies to use whatever they like, no banning order for them! Pepsi cola etc and we are not allowed a small use? Why should the small consumer have to share all the blame, lobby against those commercial companies also which use the most water. I believe a certain amount should be free anyway and then at a cut off point it should be metered especially for large commercial companies eg Golf courses, swimming pools etc. With global warming and an increased population, water metering is an option we cannot afford to ignore for our future.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - S (8th Jun 2006 - 12:38:14) Lets not forget the millions of gallons a day that the water companies are losing due to leaks and badly looked after reservoirs. So perhaps if they put their hands in their massive profit pockets and fixed the faults people would be more prepared to listen to their calls for hosepipe bans.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (8th Jun 2006 - 14:32:54) I always disagreed with privatising essential utilities like water etc. So many of them now belong to foreign companies!! Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - barbara (8th Jun 2006 - 15:01:45) I agree with you Enieda water should be above something we make billions of pounds from, it is essential to life. Some other things though I think benefited from a bit of a shake up eg Post Office. With all the utility companies in different ownership I'm suprised Tesco or Wahlmart havn't taken over everything!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Freddie Dawkins (8th Jun 2006 - 17:09:14) Phew - what a lot of hot air and little cold water ;') Just take a walk in the countryside around the village. Go behind Silent Garden and walk down to the Deer's Hut, or go out on the Midhurst Road and stroll into Iron Hill. Even after the recent heavy rain, you'll be amazed how dry the ground is. There's no run-off - in fact there's been very little all through the winter. I'll not enter the debate about water companies - but we are not going to change the lack of water in the ground/reservoirs. Freddie

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - katy (8th Jun 2006 - 17:31:35) Freddie, try walking on the sussex border path (handy for the Black Fox :) as you will get very muddy boots there due to the large puddles! Also a stroll to Milland last Sunday resulted in soggy socks too - additionally my neighbour has recently dug up his lawn and had a temporary swimming pool as the water table is so high so not all is at it seems..................!!!!!!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - S (9th Jun 2006 - 14:18:47) Are you aware that you can actually use a hosepipe for certain things? There is a list of what you cannot use a hosepipe for like washing the car etc. What you can do is use a high pressure washer, you can get em in Halfords. If you attach something to the hosepipe you aren't actually using the hosepipe. So you can water your garden, clean windows and clean the car. So that kind of defeats the object doesn't it?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - barbara (9th Jun 2006 - 15:19:25) I do not think this can be correct. Have you actually verified this with a water company official? A pressure HOSE is surely covered under a HOSEpipe ban. I actually saw a shopowner this morning in Liphook watering his hanging baskets for Liphook in Bloom with a large pressure hose! Desperate to win maybe! Perhaps businesses such as car washes and vehicle shops which need to use such items are exempt from the ban, but I would not have thought someone watering plants this way counts as also exempt.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (9th Jun 2006 - 17:00:44) Barbara I believe you are allowed to use a high pressure hose to clean your patio! I also believe you are allowed to wash your dog with a hose (hopefully not high pressure!) so I suppose if the dog keeps running around the garden while you're washing it you might accidentally water your garden :) I've only got cats. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Stephen (9th Jun 2006 - 17:34:37) The water co's website explains "What do the restrictions actually mean? The use of hand held hosepipes, unattended hosepipes, or sprinklers, for watering private gardens is banned, as is the use of a hosepipe for washing private vehicles." So its not a Hosepipie Ban! Its a restriction on certain usages of hosepipes. Again, I refer back to an earlier post of mine - if the Water Co's can't bother to clarify to most people that (a) there is a restriction; and (b) what is restricted and what isn't - they won't achieve the intended effect in ny meaningful way.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Mike Grimes (10th Jun 2006 - 00:49:51) I cannot believe how ridiculous this situation is. I am not allowed to water any of my garden with a hosepipe yet, with more difficulty, I can discharge the same amount of water with a watering can. I am not allowed to clean my car with a hosepipe, yet I am allowed to drive to Sainsbury's and use the car wash. Whilst my neighbour filled his new swimming pool (from a hose pipe) and Liphook golf club were spraying gallons onto the green I could see. Either there is a water shortage or not and if there is it should apply to equally to everybody. The posts on this thread should not be about ways to get around the ban but about how we ostricise the antisocials who choose to ignore it even if our stupid laws don't apply to them. I don't want to use a carpet cleaner to water my lawn, I want everyone to realise that there is a shortage of water and save it.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Barbara (10th Jun 2006 - 13:12:25) I wish I could have put this as succinctly this is entirely my viewpoint also Mike, sometimes we have to forget we are a nation of gardeners. Perhaps when regulations turn into a proper drought order people will realise there could be a serious shortage here in the future. One only has to watch the programmes on global warming to realise the bigger picture.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (10th Jun 2006 - 15:06:27) Personally, I think everybody affected by a hose-pipe ban and a drought order should band together and refuse to pay their water bills!! We've got to force these companies to plough their massive profits into fixing EVERY leak NOW instead of lining the pockets of their shareholders and chairmen!! Water should belong to the people....after all it falls out of the sky free of charge...we should only have to pay for it's purification, distribution, maintenance of pipes etc. It should be re-nationalised. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Mike Grimes (10th Jun 2006 - 23:49:54) Eneida, You and countless others have been reading the papers again. That the water shortage is caused by leaks is an urban (and to a lesser degree, rural) myth. Ask yourself, when there is a water leak "where does the water go?" If the leak is underground (which most are) the water is returned to to the water table and the only damage is that it needs to be re-purified when it is extracted again (at the water company's cost). If the leak is at ground level (e.g. burst water main) then it causes other problens which leads to a more expedient remedy, so leaks that lose water via evaporation are generally the ones that are most quickly fixed. If we are going to have another 500,000 Prescott homes (albeit slightly smaller than Dornywood) in the Thames gateway and M11 corridor we probably need some more reservoirs - this is what the water companies need to invest in. My Mum is down this weekend and remarked "I have never watered my lawn - if I do, it will only want more". Her lawn looks fantastic, is there something in that?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (11th Jun 2006 - 09:42:06) Mike, According to Ofwat's latest figures "almost a quarter of all water taken by water companies in England and Wales last year leaked away before it reached customers". Are you suggesting that doesn't matter? I am quite prepared to do my bit to preserve water, but it really makes me angry that they are clearly not playing their part. Are you old enough to remember 1976? Nothing much seems to have changed in the last 30 years and yet they make huge profits. Nothing they do is at 'their cost' we pay for it all!!!! Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Mike Grimes (11th Jun 2006 - 23:30:40) I suppose I am saying it does not matter, If the water companies have to process the water twice before it reaches us then it is at their expense and come off their bottom line. Unless, of course, somehow the water companies have deceived OFWAT into allowing them to pass the costs onto us in such a way that it would help us rather than them to fix the leaks. But either way, my main point was that leaky pipes don't cause water shortages whereas too many people living in a small area, without the necessary increase in infrastructure investment, does. I've been reading about a device, that is effectively a syphon, that will easily transfer the contents of a bath to the garden via a hose but I'm a bit worried that my neighbour with the hose filled swimming pool might report me.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - barbara (12th Jun 2006 - 13:34:47) The following is an extract from a wildlife magazine:" Chalk rivers such as the Kennet and Avon are heading for disaster.Water levels are at a 30 year low following an exceptionally dry 2005.Wildlife trusts fear that algal blooms, rising pollution and increasing demands for clean water are bringing these ecosystems within danger of collapse. Chalk rivers are incredibly rich wildlife habitats prized by nature lovers and fishermen alike. If we fail to address the problems of excessive water abstraction and diffuse pollution they could be destroyed forever. The future looks bleak for migratory fish if this autumn stays dry.Without rain, the tributaries of the Avon won't fill up with enough water to carry fish to their spawning grounds." We have a large disused well in our garden. When we moved in 2 years ago, the water level was approximately 2/3rds higher than it is this year.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (12th Jun 2006 - 15:25:52) Hi Barbara, Snap!! We've got one of those too, but I haven't looked at the water level for a couple of years.....last time I looked it was full to the top. I wonder how many there are in Liphook? Am I allowed to fit a douser into it and water my garden? or will Mike come round and beat me up? (only joking :) ) Talking about rivers drying up...do you know that in the autumn of last year the Amazon River basin reached such low levels that a lot of isolated communities, whose only means of travel is the river, where left stranded and the Brazilian army had to fly in food, drinking water and medicines. Apparently this has never happened before as far as records have been kept. It's a frightening situation for the planet. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - barbara (12th Jun 2006 - 18:57:58) When we moved in Enieda the previous owners informed us that we could not use the well for drinking by orders of Southern Water. I presume we could use it for other uses but it is a long way down and we would need a local Heath Robinson to give us a pump to use it! I have just been on the BBCs weather site and their forecast for Liphook was hottest temperature of 21 degrees. I think they have got that wrong.! I also read in Gardeners World magazine that one should keep the birdbaths topped up to attract blackbirds to the garden- it works! I hope there is not a drought order soon, things will get worse. My sister lives in East Sussex and she says they have already erected standpipes.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Rhys G. (19th Jun 2006 - 13:31:47) There is a leak in Malthouse Meadows entrance, which has been gushing away water for the past 5 or so days. [editor - actually from a drive on Haslemere Road] If we are doing our bit by not using hosepipes, why can't the water companies do the same by fixing leaking pipes? As from Nigel Newman, 'is not rocket science, it's common sense' ~ Rhys

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Andrew (25th Jul 2006 - 09:00:33) We have recently moved to Liphook and I am amased at the amount of old moaning folk that live here. Gardening is not an essential part of living and is a hobby. If you take it seriously then I suggest you install water butts and collect the rainwater. You can then use a small pump to water your lawns/plants without wasting water. We all know that the old people in Liphook would rather water their lawns than drink water as there are no doctors in the surgery, they are all out looking after the old folk that are suffering DVT due to lack of water intake. And maybe the old folk of Liphook should see how many people are dying of thirst in the world and stop moaning about the lack of water for the lawns and the roses. In a few more months all the grass will be green again and I am sure you will all find something else to moan about. PS. I never water my lawn and it is still lovely and green. Perhaps you are not as good at looking after your lawns as you think you are!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - E (25th Jul 2006 - 11:16:42) Poor Andrew!! He moves to Liphook only to discover that there are a lot of people here over 40 (I imagine that's his definition of old) who have opinions on what's going on around them; love gardening; and know how to use a computer to post their concerns on Liphook.co.uk. How very tedious for him....no wonder he's having a moan ;)

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - liz (25th Jul 2006 - 12:02:15) Dear Andrew You don't sound very friendly. Why did you move here?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - L (25th Jul 2006 - 17:40:28) Andrew, According to your own assessment ie that Liphookians are moaners, you should fit nicely into our society as your post was one of the most negative moans I have seen. "Moaning" on a web-forum can be a way of testing out one's ideas and getting feedback from others, so that if there is a genuine upswell of opinion in agreement which is against the status quo, people can take action. If nobody moaned there would be little progress or improvement, however it should ideally be done in a constuctive fashion, without insulting individuals or groups and this is the bit some people find hard. Naturally, views expressed on this website are sometimes mistaken or foolish, and sometimes the majority view is also proved later to have been wrong, but by having the freedom to moan means we don't just sit back apathetically and take whatever the authorities throw at us. The authorities are often not right too. There are those who subscibe to the view that the hose-pipe ban is unjustifyable and they have a right to their opinion. and to express it, even if the rest of us think they are wrong. I understand the reason for the ban and comply with it, but I do think the system is unfair. My moan is that people are legitimately able to fill swimming pools whereas I spend three hours an evening trundling back and forth with my watering can. Yes gardening is only a hobby for most, but like most hobbies such as music and sport it keeps many sane and healthy. I spent hundreds last autumn on planting up my new garden and until it is established, I have to water it regularly, even though many of the plants are designed to eventually be drought resistant. Some of the plants are unusual and were obtained from specialist nurseries and I travelled far afield to obtain them, so I am not just going to let them die, but I am developing back ache in the process. While watering the garden I am always conscious that there are countries where there is not enough water even to drink, let alone wash in or water crops, but letting my plants die is not going to help those poor people, all I can do is donate as much as I can to charity and keep aware of their plight. I agree with the suggestion that each household in drought stricken areas of the UK should be metred and allocated a set amount of water for health provided free, and then have a further allocation that has to be paid for which could be used however the owners wish. This could be for the children to have a waterfight, to water the lawn or to wash the car. Then we would have freedom of choice; if I chose to save my back and water my garden with a hose instead of washing my clothes or taking a bath, that would be my affair, and no-one would have the right to peek over the fence and judge me for choosing my garden over personal hygeine!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Andrew (25th Jul 2006 - 23:13:06) E & Liz I note your comments but you did not mention one thing about the drought order. And to prove that I am a friendly guy you can always come over to our home and have some of the water we keep in butts to keep your lawns nice and green ;) although I was not aware that anything I said was unfriendly but just factual. Liphook and to some extent now Haslemere is being over run by retired old folk and there is very little for families to do anymore, most fo the pubs do not allow children. In most supermarkets there are more disabled spaces than parent and child spaces. But I guess that makes for a whole new Talkback Entry. But the whole point of my original post was that more people seem to be worried about their roses and lawns than concerned for the effects of the drought on the local wildlife and courtyside, which is why I moved my family to Liphook in the first place. So I am sorry if I sound unfriendly to you both but maybe I am more concerned about Liphook as a village than my back gardens.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Katy (26th Jul 2006 - 08:03:00) Andrew, as Liz said why did you move here if you feel the place is overrun with retired people perhaps you should have chosen somewhere more suitable! The pubs in Liphook welcome WELL BEHAVED children, Sainsburys has many parent/children spaces the schools are excellent, there are numerous green spaces for children to play on safely. There are even more childrens and adults clubs to join so stop feeling sorry for yourself, join some clubs, take part in the community and enjoy the beauty of Liphook!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - E (26th Jul 2006 - 08:17:19) Andrew, I didn't refer to the water shortages because your post seemed to me to be a rather incoherent rant against 'old people' in Liphook!! In fact, I assumed you were a teenager and had moved here with your parents! Even in your latest post you mention Liphook and Haslemere being over run by pensioners. I think you're talking nonsense! There's a mixture of young families and older people here in much the same way as in most places in the commuter belts. You have, obviously, never visited towns like Exmouth or Bexhill, to name but 2 I'm familiar with. Perhaps everyone should be shot when they reach 60, so you and your family aren't inconvenienced by them? BTW this will obviously come as a great surprise to you, but you are not the only person in Liphook to possess a water butt!!!!!!!!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - liz (26th Jul 2006 - 09:15:45) Andrew, 'E' has almost saved me having to write a reply as I agree totally with his/her comments. I too thought you were a teenager who wasn't mature enough to realise that although people may moan about watering their gardens on the Liphook local pages, this does not mean that they are not aware of, involved in or concerned about the much wider issues. You should also note that gardens are an important part of the local environment. On the subject of the hosepipe ban, I have spoken to South East water recently on behalf of some elderly neighbours and was told that the hose can be taken across the garden to where you want to water so long as you then use a can to put the water onto the garden. Daft I know, but it may save some traipsing up and down the garden in the humid evenings. South East Water also recognises that some of the rules seem a bit ludicrous but say they are enshrined in Ofwat legislation. SE Water has apparently approached Ofwat to try to get some adjustments to the legislation.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Stephen (26th Jul 2006 - 13:40:01) Based on Liz's information that you can fill a can from a hose to water the garden, presumably it would be legal to hold the hose in the can with one hand, and flow the water out the can's spout with the other. Might require some practice but I can see it working. Thoughts? BTW, can anyone suggest a way of stopping scum growing in my water butt, which makes the garden small foul when I use the water?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Mike Grimes (26th Jul 2006 - 14:23:09) I see a wonderful marketing opportunity here for any company willing to develop a device that is shaped like a watering can, but fits neatly on the end of a hose. It all seems to be a complete inconsistent mess. See you at the car wash.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (26th Jul 2006 - 15:00:51) Ah yes, but Liz did say she was talking to SE Water on behalf of some OLD people....perhaps this concession only applies to OLD people....wouldn't that really p1ss off someone now!!! Steven, You can buy a product called Rainfresh Plus at garden centres that keeps the water in the butt fresh and sweet. It's an organic treatment so should be environmentally safe. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - liz (26th Jul 2006 - 16:35:45) Stephen, I think you might be onto a winner!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Steve Read (8th Aug 2006 - 20:26:51) Just would like to thank the water co. for their prompt attention to the water leak at the end of Hollycombe Close on the Midhurst Rd. Its now been leaking for over 2 weeks with the water running down past Gunns Farm. Excellent service and response yet again. Know of 3 people who have reported it when it first appeared. Could be dodgy when the frosts get here.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Rhys G (8th Aug 2006 - 23:00:49) Any one watch the Who's water is it anyway programme on the BBC the other day. Very interesting indeed.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Allan (9th Aug 2006 - 00:51:01) Last night, wasn't it, Rhys? Was that the programme presented by J. Paxman on ch. 4? If that is the prog you are referring to, you are right, it was quite rivetting. What was even more interesting was the prog. after it. Entitled SHARIA T.V. it explored, Question Time style---panel on hand to provide expert advice, audience asking the questions----- amongst other things why 1/3rd. of young muslims would prefer to live under Sharia Law in this country. Any body got any suggestions for them?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Stephen (9th Aug 2006 - 09:02:55) Does Sharia Law ban hosepipes as well then?

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (9th Aug 2006 - 09:17:37) I watched the programme about Sharia Law....I found it quite disturbing and frightening. We might dismiss the idea and think it could never happen here, but there's so much apathy in this country when it comes to voting in elections etc. that anything is possible, if a certain group of people are determined enough. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Andrew Clarke (9th Aug 2006 - 18:16:44) E Shooting people when they reach 60 was not what I had in mind. And I did not say I was the only person in Liphook to have a water butt. I suggested that if you need to water your plants then use a water butt as we do. Your reaction has just made my point.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Barbara (9th Aug 2006 - 19:23:05) I have just re-visited this post after a long absence and I am really saddened that someone is so intolerant as Andrew is living in Liphook. It is the older people in the community who run all the voluntary groups, it is the older people who volunteer for Parish Councils etc. I do not subscribe to the idea that just because someone has got young children they should take priority, they cost the tax payer a fortune- education, nurseries, family tax credits. They even use more water as the washing machine is on constantly and the landfill sites are full up with unbiodegradable diposable napppies. Gardening is a hobby yes but not an antisocial one like some younger peoples recreational activities. Are you bringing up your children this way Andrew to denegrate older people? shame on you!

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Eneida (9th Aug 2006 - 19:33:51) Barbara I'm so glad you're back!!! I always enjoyed your posts. Andrew TBH I can't remember what your 'point' was, apart from a rant against Liphook being invaded by OAP's pinching all the best parking spaces in Sainsbury's. Eneida

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Stephen (10th Aug 2006 - 14:29:04) Good thinking Barbera - people with children should pay more tax! As you have pointed out, why should the rest of us subsidise their undesirable education habits.

Re: Water Shortages / Drought Orders - Andrew Clarke (15th Aug 2006 - 22:35:41) Wow. Thought I would check out this posting and just read the last few replies. Oh dear. I hope that Barbera and Stephen are joking. maybe you are my neighbours and that would make sense.

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