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I D Cards - AF (26th Sep 2025 - 04:49:40) Well Comrade Starmer has managed to do it again, come up with another scheme that is unpopular, will not work and of course was not in his election manifesto. Has there ever been a worse P.M in living memory, even Liz Truss was better than this joker, the first P.M I remember was Mrs Thatcher who took power when I was just 8 years old. It's impossible to compare her with the current idiot in charge. We need to find the village who's missing their village idiot and get Starmer back there where he belongs so we can get someone who knows what there doing to take charge.

Re: I D Cards - Scott (26th Sep 2025 - 07:45:50) Nice one AF. This one is going to stoke the fires and bring about divisive opinions. Can't wait to see this play out over the coming days😂 Personal Barcodes at the ready citizens. Biggup happy Fridays 👏🙌

Re: I D Cards - passfield resident (26th Sep 2025 - 08:08:23) The government isn't proposing ID cards. It's proposing a digital ID that you won't carry around with you.

Re: I D Cards - D (26th Sep 2025 - 11:22:54) When home secretary Michael Howard suggested id cards didn't Labour whine.

Re: I D Cards - er (26th Sep 2025 - 12:33:31) The far right are slowly, bit by bit getting their way. They demanded a crackdown on illegal workers and it turns out the Tories far from being able to stop it, were actually pandering to the demands of big Capitalist International Corporations, often Hedge Fund owned 'technology companies' to use their own definition, such as Uber, Deliveroo, Just Eats etc. In order to convince you and me that we simply must have our burger and fries delivered cheap on a moped or whatever else they're pushing today, big business leans on the politicians they've funded in our disingenuous First Past the Post political system, to increase (not decrease) immigration turnover, weaken border checks etc, this provides a pool of desperate low paid men to ride their bikes etc I was in London for a week, everywhere I went were hordes of mopeds and illegal high powered bicycles (legally classified as motorbikes) delivering or queuing up outside every fast food restaurant going, blocking pavements, riding the wrong way up one way streets, through alleyways, my friend explained to me that many of these guys also deliver alcohol (legally-ish) and any drug you could choose (illegally), the police kind of know all this but are powerless to stop it, demand is simply too high in the City So having set all this up, the authorities now seek to placate us, not by stopping it from happening, nothing will or could be allowed to change that, but by introducing identity cards to quote...'catch illegal workers' and keep us all safe and accounted for So pleasing the far right agenda. The sad thing is the illegal workers will carry on regardless because it's an enforcement issue, not a question of identity cards for the general population, it's just an excuse to do what every politician ever has wanted to do, keep the electorate under closer check and make sure we're too scared to question. PS I noticed Kneecap got off today, I'm no fan of theirs, couldn't name a single song nor do I particularly even support their politics, but I think we should all agree that was an important moment for law and order in the UK, well done the British Court System for being fair and judging without fear or favour, refreshing compared to listening to all the politics nowadays😂😜

Re: I D Cards - Paul (26th Sep 2025 - 14:15:49) next we have microchips when born and bar codes on foreheads peep peep everywhere you go

Re: I D Cards - Paul2 (26th Sep 2025 - 14:25:30) ”Papers please”

Re: I D Cards - D (26th Sep 2025 - 15:31:47) Yarou, Hier Mein Starmer.

Re: I D Cards - Wondering (26th Sep 2025 - 19:50:42) How does the i d face recognition work with Muslim women wearing a full burka. Or are we going to ban them as other countries.

Re: I D Cards - Jen (27th Sep 2025 - 10:47:33) Perhaps when I am old and housebound I might change my mind (though I doubt it) but I just can't abide the likes of Just Eat, Deliveroo, Uber Eats et al. It seems that far too many people nowadays are not only not cooking for themselves but they also can't even be bothered to get up off the sofa to go and order or pick up a takeaway. Everything has to be delivered to their door. Pandora's box is, unfortunately, well and truly open now and we can't go back to how we were, more's the pity.

Re: I D Cards - Sam (28th Sep 2025 - 21:25:24) Far right have swept the board in the US, they have everything, the judiciary, the CIA, the FBI, the lot..The president can do what he wants and go after whom he wants. Yet they are still angry… why ? and fortunes have not changed in the US, nothings got better for any American, not a single thing.. Bring on farage and bring on the final nail in the coffin, welcome to 1920’s Germany folks

Re: I D Cards - Susie (29th Sep 2025 - 03:56:48) @Wondering Banning the burqa has already been discussed by Reform and it was the first topic / question she put to the House after she (Sarah Pochin) won her seat. Its only the same as many other countries already legislate on. France banned it back in 2011 but we're always way behind.....tooo soft in this country,too generous and too stupid. Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland all banned it mainly for public safety but also for social cohesion, something we're lagging behind on.

Re: I D Cards - AR (29th Sep 2025 - 08:24:55) Oh dear Sam, boohoo. You seem to suffering from TDS. A big up for Uncle Sam.

Re: I D Cards - Was Undecided Now Decided (29th Sep 2025 - 09:38:48) As ever, people like Sam throwing around serious slurs just because they don't like or recognise sense when they see it. It's always the intolerant Left who say the worst things, and sadly as we witnessed with Charlie Kirk - they DO the worst things.

Re: I D Cards - Joe (29th Sep 2025 - 13:49:09) It is not a physical card to carry around as such but a digital form of ID. It is apparently only going to be used for verifying identities for work purposes. There is already a digital footprint for most people ie my driving licence renewal was done totally online by looking at my passport details- also online. The police can tell in a few minutes if you have insurance, mot and driving licence.

Re: I D Cards - Jen (29th Sep 2025 - 17:13:37) That's right, Joe! And what the police don't already know about us, they can probably get from Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, Google and the like!

Re: I D Cards - Scott (29th Sep 2025 - 18:11:52) Live Facial Recognition mobile cameras being used by police forces too in built up high pedestrian flow areas. Some locations will be permanent installations in due course. The authorities already have multiple ways of tracking us and gathering info. No need to fear Digital id or face scanners if you are a law abiding citizen. Is it an infringement on our rights even more to roam around freely and anonamously, possibly, but you won't stop this? We lost that freedom years ago with electronic banking cards and mobile phones. Its progession towards them knowing everything about each and every one of us. We are going to have to go deep under cover Liphookians to get our daily bread and cheese. Stay below the radar, they are WATCHING US!

Re: I D Cards - IT Contractor (30th Sep 2025 - 08:38:10) Scott, the Govt has been scrapping all electronic data for several years now. All of it. The problem is they don't yet have the correct skills to interrogate the vast amount of data they hold. But they will, and Palantir (plus your Digital ID, which helps Palantir better identify individual 'citizens' records across multiple agencies) will then be able to match all your electronic material to you directly. Cue social credits shortly thereafter. It's inevitable, and anyone who thinks they won't have Digital ID (which I personally find dystopian) in the near future is wrong.

Re: I D Cards - Scott (30th Sep 2025 - 10:10:42) Hi IT Contractor. Thank you for the insight, I love learning something new. So Palantir Technologies, who I had never heard of before after a quick basic search are data and information gatherers and storers. Of which I now know have close links with some of Elon Musks business interests.They are worth in excess of 400 billion dollars and most of the UKs largest businesses and Government run bodies use them. So an American corporation is the holder of most of our harvested information. I guess this is paid for as a service and we are a customer to them and it had to go somewhere...... but , just, ughhhhhhhh!! America, World Police🤦‍♂️ I have no particular issue but it really is a few people and businesses keeping an eye on everything, and I'm not sure it adds to or makes a better world. Its time to go deeper undercover and move around unnoticed through Liphook. Cash is king, grow your own food, no phones, no computers, give up all the licenses and passport, communicate with noone, ahhhhhhh , are they tracking Liphook talkback, they are onto us, keep it Shtum Rodders, don't tell em your name Pyke👀👀🤣

Re: I D Cards - IT Contractor (30th Sep 2025 - 20:33:57) Not quite Scott. The 'owner' of the UK data repository which Palantir Foundry manages is NHS England, therefore it's the Department of Health aka UK Govt. The UK Govt is intent on knowing every single piece of data in the country - health, justice, financial and even 'sentiment surveillance'. The question is what will the Govt do with that data, and how will it use it? Will it be safe? Could it be used to control access to State services, will citizens be monitored for compliance with NHS health advice, will your tax be linked to the sugar content of your diet, have you exceeded your carbon allowance by taking 2 or more flights this year? (Hint: yes, all of that)

Re: I D Cards - Scott (30th Sep 2025 - 22:13:36) Hi IT Contractor It reads as though you have an in depth knowledge on this specific subject.So I'd ask if you know the answer to this question. Is it not fair to assume that although Palantir Foundry manage the NHS portfolio of sensitive information and probably many other UK organisations, that somewhere within Palantir Technologies back at 'base' information would be stored relating directly to the details gathered from the UK and any other country they have customers in? You raise your own other questions but can we be certain the data isn't also used by the main holding company not on our shore to create profiles and statistics that could be driven down to specific individuals completely without our consent. Or have we inadvertantly signed off on something in the small print somewhere unwittingly? No gags or emojis or biggups here from me, this is a very serious position to be in and although we can't stop the world of data and information gathering, doesn't mean I have to agree with it and If I could, I would tick a box to opt out.

Re: I D Cards - IT Contractor (1st Oct 2025 - 11:46:30) Hi Scott. In theory, UK data should be protected by various laws and regulations including GDPR and DPA 2018. The UK doesn't yet have a regulatory framework for AI. The EU does - the EU AI Act 2024 - and it prevents e.g. social scoring, manipulative behaviour through AI etc. But with all regulations, even the EU AI Act allows for Govt's to access your data for law enforcement purposes. Like everything, how the Govt interprets that is key. In the UK we also have the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 which allows security and intelligence services to 'intercept, acquire and retain data'. So they can virtually do what they want with our data. Edward Snowden first highlighted this in 2013. Personally, I think Palantir is a really interesting company. Their products are innovative, their battle-field and law-enforcement AI tool (Gotham) is technically amazing. Palantir have also attracted bad press: bloomberg.com/features/2018-palantir-peter-thiel Palantir could in theory access all our data (maybe they already have). We do have laws to protect our personal data, but Govt has the right to 'snoop'. Do we believe our personal data is genuinely personal, or is the Govt and potentially Palantir able to access everything about us, electronically? Is that Palantir's fault, or is it more to do with Govt's wanting to know everything about us and Palantir simply providing the means?

Re: I D Cards - Scott (1st Oct 2025 - 16:59:02) Hi there IT Contractor Wow! Thank you so much for broadly covering a topic that is way more complex than it initially first appears. Truly its an absolutely fascinating subject. Just like the digital ID this was at first about the actual collection and storage of data and who and how they use it affects everybody in the UK and without doubt globally. Interestingly, I note, that even with your clear and precise professional knowledge on such an important subject you use the word "should be protected" in the sentence about the capture and storage of the information. The Investigatory powers act to acquire and retain any data is another system working independantly from the first collection and storage point of the Palantir management system or the organisation providing the data to Palantir, If I understand that part correctly. Palantir could access and use our data for anything if they so wish, and I expect, sell it on for more bucks. I would cover your (maybe they already have) with, Without question I put money on it they already have at some level. Do we believe our data is genuinely personal? I'm afraid I don't believe its personal in the slightest. Although these multi billion dollar corporations are guided and restricted by UK, American, European and even Russian or other Global privacy protection laws they still are capable of sharing it all on a whim, for either understanding either human digital activity or actual physical actions and movements. In all cases, all of the bodies for capture, intercept, retain and store are susceptible to hacking, mass leaks of info and just plain open door selling for profit. Now for the silly bit. Anyone remember Arnie and Terminator. At this point everyone do your best "I'll be back" or "I want your boots, your jacket and your motorcycle" impersonations👌 Spot on everyone! So, insert name of an organisation here, I'll go with Skynet and keep it hollywood, its not real. But is it possible that "Skynet" could become self aware and the machines could , indeed, take control of everything. I'm guessing the Isle of Wight would be left alone, as it has for billions of years😂 Ok, I told you I was gonna get silly🤦‍♂️🤣 I have to caveat that nowadays with apologies to any Isle of Wight residents, no offence meant, don't worry you and Norfolk are where its at, oops, done it again👏🙌Jokes obvs🤩 Biggup the UK 👏🙌 Peace and love to all.

Re: I D Cards - IT Contractor (1st Oct 2025 - 19:15:57) I'm being extremely careful in what I say, but just to add. I doubt Palantir is concerned about accessing and using UK personal data - if anything, they are the 'tool' and they are not interested in what they are used for. As long as someone buys that tool (bad analogy warning!). They need some data to test their products and prove accuracy, but (a) they have entire data lakes already, and (b) with AI it's totally possible and already the case that 'synthetic data' can be created (to mimic whatever real data you need but don't have). But the Govt on the other hand - they have purchased 'the tool' (still a bad analogy, but I am tired!) and my word they are desperate to use it on everything at the moment. Nothing is safe or off limits. We live in interesting times, but I stand over an earlier point. Every single piece of data is being harvested by Govts. The key is getting every citizen to have a unique identifier - cue Digital ID. I have to go now and wipe my laptop, VPN and email :) Cheerio!

Re: I D Cards - Scott (1st Oct 2025 - 20:26:31) Thank you again for all the knowledge, way more than the majority of us have an idea about. I still don't trust it can't wrong and you have sort of said the systems themselves could be penetrated and aren't completely failsafe if a particular organisation was of the opinion and mindset and wanted to and were capable the data could be compromised. It is concerning, but it doesn't keep me awake at night. Keep it on the low down IT Contractor, I fear you've already put your head above the safe line a bit too far🕵‍♂️ Good luck in the field, and don't forget you can retreat to the Isle of Wight or Norfolks potato fields if you need a safe zone, these areas haven't been affected by tech, social media, modern culture, fashion, music or culinary developments for decades and are almost completely off the radar😊 Thanks again✌️

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