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Mini round about elderly drivers - Abosh (20th Aug 2025  00:55:20) I'm sure this is something that has been discussed at length but has anyone noticed the amount of problematic drivers on the mini roundabouts in the square that seem to be exclusively elderly people? A common thing im noticing with elderly drivers almost daily in liphook is a driver is to the right of me on the mini roundabout, it's his right of way, he waves at me to go as in his mind there is no right of way system, it's simply optional, this completely disrupts the rhythm of a roundabout and leads to near accidents or driver road rage. Example yesterday, I'm at the mini roundabout, another elderly driver has the right of way to me, I wait for him to go, he sits there for 5 seconds, it's clear...he doesn't move...so I just go and no sooner have I pulled out he decides to move and starts frantically beeping his horn at me Another thing I've also noticed with these elderly drivers, they seem to always signal right when they are going straight over the roundabout... These are just a few examples I've noticed in recent days but they have been continous for a long time now and they are almost exclusively elderly drivers, it's actually getting incredibly dangerous and giving me drivers anxiety going to the square, every time I see an elderly driver on the mini roundabout i start to tense up because I know they are going to do something stupid, I can't be the only one who has noticed this as I'm seeing it so often. Something has to be done about this before there is a serious accident.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Ian (20th Aug 2025  07:05:19) Don't just blame the elderly drivers at the mini roundabouts, very few drivers stop at the roundabout leaving Midhurst Rd onto Haslemere Rd outside the cinema. Worst is first thing in the morning youngsters going to work, and later yummy mummies who have been to Sainsbury's!

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - AR (20th Aug 2025  09:36:50) @ Aloadoftosh. In all my years of driving I have never seen this behaviour at a roundabout before. Most people are looking at car indicators rather than how old a driver looks. What do you class as old, over forty ? Your nervousness will be an indicating factor if you get into an accident, nothing to do with the age of a driver. All ages can produce monumental wazzocks on the road. I suggest giving your car keys back to your mother, if she is not too old ....

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - k (20th Aug 2025  09:39:19) It's always been a problem but not just elderly drivers - Good folk of Liphook just don't understand mini roundabouts to give way to right as any other roundabout or most likely just think it doesn't apply to them - it is further compounded when school; children just step out into the road just before roundabout, without looking usually too busy on phone or iPOD

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Driver (20th Aug 2025  09:40:34) Yes I think the most dangerous thing is drivers NOT indicating on all the roundabouts . And that’s mostly young and people in massive four by fours that think they own the road. If everyone used their indicators life would be so much easier don’t just blame the older drivers the younger ones are just as bad if not worse their in so much of a rush all the time and a lot on their phones.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Gr (20th Aug 2025  10:23:24) A lot of people dont know which side they should go around on

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - D (20th Aug 2025  12:10:05) Abosh, what an appropriate name. Your post certainly is a load of abosh. Given today's tinted glass etc I'm surprised you can actually see the drivers, never mind doing a mental analysis as to the age of drivers and other demographics. So what percentage of you brain is actually focused on driving your vehicle? Five? You don't give your age or how long you've been driving?

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Abosh (20th Aug 2025  12:31:44) Sorry but my experience is that it's almost exclusively elderly drivers, I'm not claiming younger drivers don't do this but no one below the age of 70 waves me to go on a mini roundabout when it's their right of way. These people need to be made to resit their test, they do not know how to use roundabouts and have extremely poor reactions to what is infront of them, I would bet that many of them if tested wouldn't get their drivers license renewed. Again I am not claiming younger drivers don't do stupid things, especially during the rush hour but my own experience is that it's almost exclusively elderly drivers and I'm seeing it almost daily now

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Jon (20th Aug 2025  14:42:56) Actually the worst examples are BMW, Audi, Porsche and VW Golf drivers, regardless of age. Abosh, are you 100% sure you’d pass a driving test if you took it tomorrow?

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Paul Robinson (20th Aug 2025  14:56:36) Speaking as an elderly driver, I have lost count of the times I have been waiting at the mini roundabout at the end of the Longmoor Road and witness a car being driven at speed out of the Portsmouth Road past the first roundabout by the old Lloyds Bank, ignoring traffic coming from the Midhurst and Haslemere Roads, and, as if that gave him the perfect right to drive over the next roundabout , not round it, and into the London Road heedless of traffic. Paul Robinson

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Jen (20th Aug 2025  16:41:47) I don't recall ever having been "waved on" by other drivers on the mini roundabouts but I do sometimes encounter hesitation. If the driver on my right, whom I have deemed to have priority, hesitates then I'll go instead. In my opinion, the biggest problem is the drivers who pull up to the roundabout indicating right and then proceed to go the wrong way around the roundabout! I've been on the receiving end of that several times, particularly when I'm waiting at London Road to turn right into Headley Road. I see someone opposite me, on Longmoor Road, arrive at the roundabout at about the same time as me. Headley Road. Having checked that Headley Road, to my immediate right, is free of traffic I pull out onto the roundabout expecting the other driver to turn around the roundabout behind me. All too often, rather than driving around to their left (ie past the Headley Road and London Road exits) in order to turn right into The Square, they turn right immediately, causing me to brake hard in order to avoid a collision! It is almost as though they can't see that the junction is a roundabout!

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - D (20th Aug 2025  18:25:23) Abosh, "wind up merchant" comes to mind. Wasting your time here, Sonny. How do you know the drivers you observed from your pram are over 70 anyway?

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Abosh (20th Aug 2025  19:44:50) @D Wind up merchant how exactly? If you are a pensioner and this offends you then I'm genuinely sorry but I am not imagining any of this, it is happening on an almost daily basis and I'm seeing it coming exclusively from elderly people. Many of them (not all) are an absolute hazard on the mini roundabout and they are going to cause a serious accident at some point. How can I tell if somone is over 70? Are you serious lol

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - D (21st Aug 2025  07:37:47) A botch, no, I am not a pensioner, I am not over 70. You're showing your infantile ignorance here because you don't have to be 70 to be a pensioner. In some pension schemes you can take your pension as young as 50. Personally I think you should find something better to do with your time rather than to jump on this governments policy of pensioner bashing. Personally I've never seen any particular demographic for bad driving. Given how most accidents and drug driving cases involve under 30's surely there is a case to raise the driving age to 30 with monthly drug testing paid for out of their own pocket. A couple of years ago four teenagers died when they came off the road and drowned in a lake, the driver had only just got his licence. Rather than conduct your vendetta against experienced drivers maybe your efforts would be better spent lobbying for ways of how to prevent young deaths such as this.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Scott (21st Aug 2025  09:19:22) Morning all. I don't think you can pin bad driving down to any particular demographic and it is something that I would say is getting worse. The main problem areas are distractions within the vehicle(phones, kids, a dropped greggs sausage roll, I've even seen a lady driving along the A3 watching a netflix series on her phone with it in her hands on the steering wheel while munching her dried fruit breakfast that was between her legs) Poor Due care and attention and lazyness whilst driving is across every generation, male and female. Poor indication and a lack of understanding of basic rules of the road and the inability to remember or understand the very clear national network signage is another factor, couple that with so many vehicles on the road and very little police activity its a free for all out there and people just appear to drive as they wish, not the way they were taught and tested on. D, I'm with you on this and Abosh has been very direct with his opinion of which I think they are a little harsh as it is more than one group that are guilty of the misdemeanours. But I must make the point that if you are talking about the 4 lads who in Wales who tragically died in the stream at the side of the country road the circumstances were investigated and reportedly on extensively. The driver was a new driver yes. His worst tiny mistake that may have had a bearing was slightly under inflated tyres for 4 people in the vehicle, I'd ask how many road users of any group are dilligent enough to check tyre pressures if at all or for every different level of load they are carrying? Excess speed wasn't a major factor either. They did however find the highways signage at the bends were inadequate and that the fencing and armco barriers were in a state of disrepair or non existent through the section of road where there had already been some incidents and locals had raised there concerns for a very long time before this sad event. If that is not the case you are talking about my apologies, if it is, as always the detail of events is important! Safe driving folks, remember and use the highway code, it keeps us all safe in theory☺ï¸�

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - C (21st Aug 2025  13:52:59) All I will say is PLEASE DO NOT USE YOUR MOBILE WHEN DRIVING. Not when you're waiting at traffic lights, not when you're waiting at a crossing. There is literally not one situation which necessitates texting or looking at your phone when driving. Stop and do it when safely parked. Not least you can get a £200 fine but it's just not worth it. Please don't put yours and others' lives in danger.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - paul (21st Aug 2025  15:31:08) Hi, I can remember "back in the day" drivers were courteous. They were proud of there driving skills, to one another on a public road. Sadly those days have long gone, and will never return. My experience today, is people behind the wheel turn into monsters. Temper when driving, both young, and old. Everyone should be a good driver for responsibility, and safety. Driving at just 30mph, could kill someone in an accident.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - A local (21st Aug 2025  17:13:30) It is illegal and considered highly irresponsible and dangerous to use your phone whilst stationary in a queue of traffic, if you're holding it. There's a fella who goes around filming them and says they deserve all they get. Yet he leaves completely alone those who are using their mobile phones to chat, text, do satnav etc whilst it's sat on thedashboard, because that's legal, so no problems. My point is that clearly if one is very dangerous, so is the other. Yet big business lobbied for the exemptions that would allow their business models, be it private hire, food delivery etc to continue and this was granted by government, a loophole that means something we all are horrified at (holding your phone and chatting) is absolutely chill if you are chatting but not holding. Either both are as dangerous or neither are. If you are worried about someone looking at a phone outside of a phone holder in a queue of traffic, you should be even more worried about someone looking at it inside a phone holder while driving, but we aren't. We have a selective attitude to risk and trust our leaders integrity to the point of collective madness!

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Charlie (21st Aug 2025  17:34:25) Abosh I drive through Liphook on a regular basis and I have never been "waived" on by a driver, elderly or otherwise. When I first read your post I had difficulty in taking it seriously and part of me still is wondering if it was a windup. As I agree with most of the content of the posts responding to your OP I won't repeat what has already been said. In my opinion you seem very obsessed about elderly drivers (and I am not sure what age you class as elderly) and I would suggest that you pay more attention to your driving rather than assessing the age of other drivers.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Abosh (21st Aug 2025  19:35:02) It's crazy that people just assume I'm having some kind of wind up and making this all up, why would I? What do I have to gain from this. I'm giving you my own personal subjective experience and I have stated multiple times that it's not all elderly drivers and I'm aware bad drivers come in all shapes and sizes, however my own personal experience is every single time I've listed the things that happen it is always an elderly driver. I guarantee that at some point I'm going to have an experience with a younger driver but I haven't lived in liphook for a long time compared to some of you, and so far every single negative experience is with elderly drivers. Absolute paranoid oddballs thinking I'm making this up for some kind of wind up.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Keith Birch (22nd Aug 2025  10:42:54) Abosh— Don’t forget you will soon be old enough to adopt the same habits Or make up some new habits that annoy others or perhaps you’ve done this already by posting your thoughts

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Charlie (23rd Aug 2025  10:38:08) Abosh The reason some people might think your post is a wind-up is because of it's extraordinary accusations and content and you seem to be the only person on this Thread who has experienced all these "terrible old people" driving dangerously in The Square at the roundabouts. You do not give any idea of what you call "elderly" including pensioners and as D pointed out in one of his posts some people retire in their 50's. Do you include them as well? For the record I was driving in The Square yesterday and a driver from my left when I had right of way, without even looking to his right to see if anyone was waiting, drove at speed straight across the roundabout in The Square. Now I call that not only inconsiderate but down downright dangerous. In addition if I had pulled out at the roundabout and not checked to my left to make sure it was safe to pull out, he would have hit me broadside.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - liz (23rd Aug 2025  16:12:58) Abosh. If you are seeing what others are not, perhaps your eyesight needs a check?

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - PR (23rd Aug 2025  16:23:16) As an elderly driver according to Abosh's criteria - today as approaching Liphook from the direction of Headley - on arriving at the first mini roundabout - I am carved up by a non indicating Audi driver on my left - my right of way - Abosh you are an ageist biased individual - wind your neck in - there are good and bad drivers from young to old. Sadly the 'Me First' society is prevalent, especially at the roundabouts in Liphook.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - D (23rd Aug 2025  17:27:27) Personally I think it's James again on another of his attention seeking crusades.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - Abosh (24th Aug 2025  02:01:02) I'm starting to think that many of you are getting older and you are taking this as a personal attack for some strange reason despite stating over and over again that it's not all elderly drivers I shouldn't have to define what am elderly person looks like, it's strikingly obvious, just like you know when somone is a teenager or when somone is in their twenties you also know what an elderly person looks like. Had a similar experience on Friday again with another elderly driver just sitting there for 5 seconds when it's clear for them to go and then they indicate right to go straight over the roundabout. @D you are paranoid, I have no idea who james even is, this is the 2nd time I've ever made a post on this forum lmao. You guys are hilarious.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - D (24th Aug 2025  08:27:20) A botch, you carry on. Surely in your illogical desire to have drivers of a certain age off the road you are making a noose for your own neck? Believe it or not, this may come as a bit of a shock to today's entitled me me me generation, but you won't be young forever. If you are so concerned at the alleged actions of certain drivers, why don't you flag them down and educate them? Do let us know when, would love to see this.

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - WUND (24th Aug 2025  08:52:16) 🚨 DECREE OF THE SUPREME DIRECTORATE 🚨 Citizens of Liphook! The Directorate has reviewed this matter and identified the chief agitator: Abosh the Disgracer, whose repeated denunciations of our venerable drivers amount to an act of roundabout treachery. By order of the Ministry of Orbital Traffic Harmony: - Abosh is sentenced to stand at The Square bearing a placard: “I DO NOT UNDERSTAND RIGHT OF WAY.â€� - He shall circle the mini-roundabout until such time as wisdom is acquired. - Citizens are reminded that the hesitation of an elder is not incompetence but a dignified pause of contemplation, and their curious signals are not errors but ancient gestures of motoring tradition. Thus Abosh stands condemned, while the Elderly are vindicated, and Liphook’s sacred traffic order shall endure eternal. 🚦 For the Glory of Liphook, for the Eternal Algorithm! 🚦

Re: Mini round about elderly drivers - M (24th Aug 2025  10:46:31) Good old Liphook Mini Roundabouts, always a hot topic of contention. After 30+ years of daily use the two main issues I have are drivers not going around the roundabouts, not signalling and hesitation. As far as I'm concerned I only give way to vehicles ON the roundabout, not those waiting to enter the roundabout from the right, and always go around each roundabout signalling as appropriate. A quick Google for UK Highway Code Roundabouts comes up with this: General Rule: Like all roundabouts, mini roundabouts require you to give way to vehicles already on the roundabout and approaching from your right. Entering the Roundabout: When it's your turn, enter the roundabout, ensuring you give way to traffic already on it from the right. Signalling: Signal appropriately when turning left or right, but if you're going straight ahead, you don't need to signal until you pass the exit before the one you intend to take. All pretty self explanatory to me! Note the ON THE ROUNDABOUT wording (not waiting to enter the roundabout) If everyone followed the rules (including Abosh....or what ever their name is!) then it would be much easier, and more than likely freer flowing, but of course people don't so the confusion goes on!

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