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Penally Farm Development - J (15th Jun 2025  08:10:44) We received a flyer posted to us (and presumably the rest of the village) about a consultation on the land at Penally Farm consisting of 3-4 large fields adjacent to Bramshott Grange along Hewshott Lane. It's taking place at the village hall on Thursday 26th June from 4-8pm. penallyfarm.co.uk I'm unable to make the consultation due to work and there is very little information available as of yet so I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas of their plans? Whilst more housing is obviously needed, another big estate would put even more pressure on the services in the village (schools, healthcare, shopping, traffic etc.) so it would be interesting to know what they plan to do to address this issue.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (15th Jun 2025  08:52:07) That site should be the number one for development after bohunt manor. We have to have new houses those two sites should be put forward for our allocation.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Alison Menage (15th Jun 2025  08:57:58) We're all wondering about the infrastructure!! Hard enough to get appt at docs already. And surely exit would not be allowed onto Hewshott Lane!!!

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (15th Jun 2025  10:29:49) We must remember that this fantastic government we have will make us have houses weather the infrastructure will take it or not. So we must be prepared to put them where the least damage to our Parrish ie the centre square needs to be protected so any developments should be on the A3 side of the square and if any of the developments could incorporate a relief road to the A3 so much the better we need to look years ahead. Until we get ring roads around the centre we must be very careful where developments take place.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Trevor Maroney (15th Jun 2025  11:13:14) Was this, or any other, site included and/or recommended in the Bramshott and Liphook Neighbourhood Development Plan (NDP)? If not, it is up to EHDC councillors to decide whether or not the location is acceptable. If I am not mistaken that it what our community voted for! So why are we being asked for our views again, I wonder? Is it because the job of producing a Neighbourhood PLAN was botched? What a waste of time and effort not to mention all the taxpayers' money spent on it.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (15th Jun 2025  11:28:58) All NDPs can be overridden by the government - it matters not now what local people think. It is not even a question of what EHDC want either. A government inspector has just approved plans for a 60 bed new hotel near Petersfield which kept being rejected by the SDNPA and went to appeal and has just been approved. It is not a question of allocations either.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (15th Jun 2025  13:29:43) Quite so Joe this government are riding roughshod over everyone so be prepared for a rough ride.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (15th Jun 2025  13:44:11) At last, common sense is prevailing over the ivory towers of the national park (ref. Joe's post before someone whines that Penally Farm isn't part of the national park). Penally Farm is an excellent choice with it's direct access to the A3. No traffic increase on the school run neither as children can walk to school from this site. Excellent.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Editor (15th Jun 2025  14:18:00) land details media.onthemarket.com/properties/2255553/doc_0_0.pdf I think we can confidently say that no children will walk from there to school, let's be honest. Unless you know otherwise.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (15th Jun 2025  14:57:44) Not to sure about that editor we used to walk from all over liphook to Bramshott school yes I know the little darlings need to be chauffeured everywhere. But they park all the way down tower road and the mead and Tunbridge even in Radford lay by so not a great deal further. As D has said an excellent site. And if it was looked at properly there might be a way of putting in a link road to Haslemere road across the river. Food for thought in later years. These developments need to be looked at more thoroughly to get the best out of them.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (15th Jun 2025  15:42:14) I think you're right, Editor. Making a child walk a couple of miles to school is probably classed as child abuse these days.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (17th Jun 2025  14:46:52) Actually it's a lot closer to the Infants and Junior schools than the proposed new houses at Chiltley Farm and also closer to Bohunt. Coupled with the fact it's on the same side of the village to the schools and A3 it's location is far superior than Chiltley Farm.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (17th Jun 2025  16:01:15) The developments that come forward are not going to be pitted against each other they all get decided on their own merits to be accepted or refused. The Chiltley lane proposals have been given favour in EHDCs local plan.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (17th Jun 2025  17:05:51) Joe that’s exactly why we have to object en mass to the developments that are not in the right place. Anything built on the other side of the square will harm our village until something is done about the huge increase in traffic through the square it’s no good burying our heads in the sand enough is enough. We need to stand up to the people that think they no best sitting in their offices and don’t have a clue. The community of this Parrish have told them time and time again what is needed and where to build houses to benefit the community it’s a laugh when they have but the chicken farm on the list it was only a couple of years ago that they completely rejected it as totally unsuitable and it still is totally unsuitable.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (17th Jun 2025  18:37:59) Local, "currently technically undeliverable" whatever that is. It was one of eight proposals rejected in favour of Horndean and Alton (I think it's Alton anyway, if I'm wrong I'm sure I'll be corrected and expected to flagulatte myself outside the Anchor).

Re: Penally Farm Development - Settler Community (17th Jun 2025  21:39:09) We need more housing there are thousands of people in the UK needing affordable homes many with high needs don't even speak English can't live on the streets, there is so much land around here if it was put along Devils Lane and the empty fields it's less than a mile from the station and the supermarket you could walk or cycle no need to drive anywhere, no need to worry about building in the protected National Park, how thoughtless is that, leave that to nature, the village has all you need here, driving is unnecessary you wouldn't even need to provide car parking just electric bike spaces and driverless taxis will be here soon, everything else even including raw food and fast foods already delivered people who go out for this stuff are selfish anyway, you can get cooked dough balls delivered to your sofa by an immigrant who needs a house, come on guys!

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (17th Jun 2025  22:09:37) You must have very good lungs, Settler Community. That was all one sentence.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Re a lipstic (17th Jun 2025  22:18:57) Sorry are there a whole bunch of stupid people on this site and can’t see that there is a barrow boy trying to make a quick buck here , there are no plans to have this site as a multi house site if they get planning permission it will transform the site to a multimillion pound site that will be sold on to the developers .. it’s not in the village plans ,, we should object as there are no benefits to Liphook , I am guessing that the individual that is promoting this have a huge amount to gain , please object under the objection this is pure averse on behalf of the current owners, trust me I have a lave about 5 acres in Liphook and much closer to the village centre than this and have resisted such speculative developers.. Regards.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Jon (18th Jun 2025  08:08:48) Settler, If you think people will ride or cycle you’re living in cloud cuckoo land. A long while ago maybe, but not now.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (18th Jun 2025  08:41:01) I think that relying on a landowner/ developer to offer any facilities to the village is not realistic, it is the local authority who negotiate these things. One reason Penally Farm may find problems getting through is that they are not on mains sewerage or gas. Also the lane is very narrow they would have to build the entrance through the retirement village land.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (18th Jun 2025  09:52:53) A bit behind the times Joe. New developments don't use gas any more, it's all electric with solar panels and heat pumps. The access to the development is proposed off the wide section of Hewshot Lane that feeds Bramshott Place and runs parallel with the A3 slip road, plenty wide enough and 2 way. There's not enough sewage capacity in Liphook full stop. Chiltley Farm has a holding objection from Thames Water due to "inadequate sewage infrastructure". In all likelihood the development will have its own sewage system, which many new developments now have. I note that the developer putting forward the plans is A2Dominion. They appear to only build social housing developments for rent. Something that most of the people who object to this site say more is needed? Google them and read who they are.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Settler Community (18th Jun 2025  10:24:53) D, of course I have good lungs I cycle everywhere! Jon, you are right, given the option most people will not cycle, they will drive everywhere even if it's under a mile! It is human nature, the easiest, path, even if it's the most selfish. This is why we should encourage alternative journey methods with infrastructure, make it even harder to drive, harder to park at both ends, provide more and cheaper buses, more safe cycle paths and secure cycle parking, make driving the worst option. They have done this successfully in the cities and for example in Amsterdam or London, only a minority would even consider driving, this is what we must do here. I also think we could build upwards, especially in the more undesirable areas by the A3 or the railway, where we could buy the land cheap and put studio and one bed flats on a large scale, less and less people are getting married or having kids amongst the settled community and even some immigrants arriving are often single. It is high density flats we need more than houses, cheap flats without parking and Liphook is an ideal place as it's close to both the A3 and the station, commutable to London especially if we ran cheap coaches up to Victoria every day and built Tesco's and other supermarkets under the flats like they do in the cities. Liphook could really be part of the future, an urban car free village where people don't need to.leave unless it's to work, because we have everything here, if we are prepared to think bigger. It's ideas like mine and thinking outside the box that we need, my ideas could form part of a blueprint for planning the regeneration of Liphook and housing for decades ahead. D, I have used lots of little paragraphs, I hope that's better!

Re: Penally Farm Development - AR (18th Jun 2025  11:04:35) Settler Community- April 1st has been and gone.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (18th Jun 2025  11:17:49) The leaflet also contains a reference to Litchfields? They are a swanky estate agency head office london i doubt that it would be totally social housing ? All developments these days have to contain a proportion of that. Unless Bramshott grange still own this land i doubt they would allow the entrance through there. Last i knew about it was the owners of Penally Farm themselves Mr and Mrs Clutterbuck, and their landscaping business I think called transform are putting the land forward for development. They were also partners in the proposed 600 home Devils lane proposal.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (18th Jun 2025  11:48:15) Think this development was inspected by the neighbourhood plan people when they first started to be considered as a possible site ticked all the boxes.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (18th Jun 2025  11:49:26) Settler Community, your paragraphs are also one whole sentence. You infer that people who drive everywhere are selfish, presumably you're referring to environmental impacts on the environment by their vehicles. Do you have children? Have you considered the impact they will have on the environment in eighty years? Selfish.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (18th Jun 2025  14:42:06) In response to those who said the neighbourhood plan had this land as a possibility only if it was designated for lots of sports facilities as well.I cannot think the residents of the Bramshott retirement village would be too happy with that, nor would they be happy with the proposal for 200 houses. If the land was used for sports it probably would not attract a good sale price of the land which is presumably why they have not progressed that idea. Perhaps the neighbourhood plan people should have asked the owners what they thought of the sports facility idea before including it in the plan. In the final event the neighbourhood plan made no designations of where the houses should go.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (18th Jun 2025  15:41:47) Approximately a third of the site is within 400mts of a Special Protection Area so cannot have houses built on that area. That area can have sports pitches etc and even Industrial/business premises just not residential. That is why the 200 houses will be located to the far top of the site and either sports pitches, or more likely SANG, will be located nearest the A3. It's the best site for housing in Liphook in my opinion, and if the 200 homes are of the type that A2Dominium specialise in then it will be good for those on the local housing lists at EHDC, although it may mean a few more "undesirables" moving to Liphook which will certainly have some curtains twitching!

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (18th Jun 2025  20:23:08) In answer to “the other m “ if there was any intention of using any of the available Penally farm land as.playing fields it would have been mentioned on the flyer.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Rob (18th Jun 2025  23:28:41) My word! What a rant from "settler community" if you want to live in an urban jungle of high rise buildings and soulless architecture go live in a London suburb or even central London. We don't want to live in that. I left London, the city of my birth and infant nurture (and of my parents, grandparents and great grandparents on both sides), because it has become an urban dump. So much in London had changed in the last 50 odd years and I don't think much for the better. If you want to enjoy the dubious benefits of such a life style I'm sure there are nasty high rise flats in Dundee zone 5 dump you could move to.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (19th Jun 2025  07:03:16) Joe, there is very little mentioned on the flyer and the website isn't up and running so it doesn't actually advise of anything except 200 homes. I am mentioning the restrictions of the site and the reasoning behind the comments about sports pitches. As I said I doubt sports pitches would be provided as the site will need a SANG and the undevelopable piece of the site would be ideally for that.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (19th Jun 2025  17:30:12) I do not know if “another M" can substantiate with National Planning policy guidelines but it does not follow any logic to think that an area close /in the buffer zone for a Specially protected area and the river Wey conservation area would be allowed an industrial estate and sports facilities just because houses are disallowed? The resulting noise, floodlighting, heavy traffic, sports pavillions traffic jams etc etc would result in just as much disturbance to nature.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (20th Jun 2025  06:51:26) Actually Joe I don't need to provide you with the full planning policy but if you need it then Google it and see what comes up. New housing is a definite NO within 400mts of a SPA. The 400mt boundary runs across the lower third of the site nearest the A3. Other types of development is allowed within 400mts of a SPA, as long as they can show no detrimental effect on the SPA. The SPA in this case is the other side of the A3 so sports pitches or even Industrial buildings will have no effect on the SPA, considering it is 8 lanes of tarmac away. If a sports pitch was provided (which the B&LNDP have suggested but I imagine will not happen) I suspect it would only be one football pitch and a changing facility/community hall, hardly a major influence on a SPA the other side of a major trunk road, even if we're also to have flood lighting provided. And as for traffic, minimal in respect of 200 homes and a major trunk road next door! I suspect the area will however be used as a SANG and SUDS. All, I'm sure, will be revealed next week by the developer and their "fancy agent" (as others have suggested?).

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (20th Jun 2025  07:34:14) PS Joe. You say ".....National Planning policy guidelines but it does not follow any logic....." When have any National, District or Local Planning Policies followed logic? ;-)

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (20th Jun 2025  13:40:15) I Did not mean that the National Planning policy is not logical - I meant an interpretation of that policy to conclude that although housing may not be allowed in the buffer zone, industrial and sports facilities would be allowed. The interpretation that these 2 types of alternatives to housing developments ( disallowed anyway) would be sanctioned by the planners as not harmful to the environment, is not logical.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (20th Jun 2025  15:25:07) You are correct in your logical thinking BUT I can assure you that (much needed according to EHDC and the BLNDP) sports facilities and business/industrial use is allowed within the 400mt SPA buffer. Taking the sites location those two types of land use would be ideal but of course all landowners can make much quicker, and larger, profits from housing. Couple that with EHDCs lack of housing land supply and we can all see why this proposal has risen its head again. I'm sure there will be others. As for those that complain Hewshott Lane is not suitable for the development that has all been sorted. The access will be off the wide section of Hewshott Lane and a combination of no right turn / width restrictions / making Hewshott Lane a no through road will deter through traffic (or so the developers will suggest). Schools, doctors, dentists, sewage, water etc etc are not planning considerations I'm afraid.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (20th Jun 2025  15:53:40) A different M is still using guesswork! Many years ago the residents of Hewshott lane were worried about extra traffic from the Bramshott place development and proposals were made to EHDC re no right turns out of the estate. Highways dept thought that laughable. The proposal to make Hewshott lane a no through road is also laughable as it is a national B road classification and would not happen for that reason alone. Would residents just the other side of the development be expected to go on a 3 mile detour to get home? The information that sports facilities and industrial would get approval is merely “another M” interpretations of “ other types of development may be allowed that would do no harm.”

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (20th Jun 2025  16:30:52) Joe I have never said it WILL happen, only that it could and is able, you seem to read way too much into what people write. Hewshott Lane is not a B Grade road, it is a country lane so not sure where you get that from? I'll say again,...... All, hopefully, will become clear at the presentation. Anyone with objections can submit them once the planning application is submitted, my guess (yes Joe a guess) is that it will be before the end of the year.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (20th Jun 2025  17:44:48) Ok apologies Hewshott lane is classified as a C road, not a B road it is number 197. A C road is a designation applied to minor Linking Roads between settlements, the grade below that would be unclassified roads.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (21st Jun 2025  08:26:21) It's high time Hewshott Lane was widened to provide a relief road to Haslemere. All these people whining about the amount of traffic going through the square (allegedly anyway, it's only bad at start and end of school, as it always has been) well this is an excellent solution.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (21st Jun 2025  10:47:09) Yes D good idea. But if they looked a bit closer a bridge over the river at the top end of the development to Haslemere road probably easier. Not in agreement with the traffic in the square it’s continuous more or less all day sometimes out of school time it’s nose to tail on all the roads. School times it’s well just say ridiculous. The avenue has become like a main road with huge four by fours racing through at school time. And when something happens as has just happened this week all hell is let loose. So planning for the future is a must if we want to keep our lovely village square conservation area.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (21st Jun 2025  11:23:28) Local, we'll have to respectfully agree to differ, the traffic in the square is no worse now than fifty years ago. I always avoid school times and have never had a problem.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (21st Jun 2025  12:11:49) Dont forget that Hewshott lane and Hammer Vale is part of the river wey conservation area with weight limitations the other end for the bridge on the river. If people and also Highways paid attention to the hedges and mud on the side of the road it would be a lot wider. There is also a chap who ( in the single track has built his garage into the bank so not poss to widen it there.

Re: Penally Farm Development - er (21st Jun 2025  14:28:23) I had to laugh, a bridge over from the Penally Farm to Haslemere Road, or widening Hewshott Lane to turn it into a relief road to Haslemere😂😂😂. We struggle to get funds to build a park bench, this isn't an inner city borough, there are no minority interest needs to address, there's no funds for anything but more housing estates! 200 new houses may make a few business people a bit richer, but it doesn't pay for an at grade elevated road bridge across virgin forest, down an ancient river valley and over a farm house or two, plus all the street infrastructure to enable it to join up with Haslemere Road somewhere between Devils Lane and a problematic, narrow railway bridge on a blind bend, we are talking 10's of millions minimum of somebody's ÂŁ's and that's before the environment protests and court appeals begin! As for turning Hewshott Lane into a relief road, I cycle along there, a beautiful, narrow, winding, steep, hilly ancient lane less than 10 feet wide in many places, up and down, round and round, and short of dynamiting the entire ancient track and awkwardly positioned ancient properties for a few miles, straightening and levelling it all out with bulldozers, I'd say you have more chance of getting the imaginary football pitch someone mentioned earlier, and that's not very likely either! Sorry, but let's stop dreaming guys.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (21st Jun 2025  15:41:23) There are some places that Hewshott Lane cannot be widened for example in the single lane area someone has built his garage and car parking space into the bank so that could not be widened also there is weight limit at the Hammer Vale end because of a weak bridge over the river Wey. Don't forget that Hammer Vale and Hewshott lane are both in the River Wey conservation area so there are restrictions.

Re: Penally Farm Development - DSK (25th Jun 2025  15:18:02) Building 200 new houses in Hewshott Lane raises major concerns about preserving the environment, impacting existing communities, straining local resources and infrastructure, loss of green spaces, increasing traffic (eg 250 household cars zooming around, increase in courier deliveries), increasing the risk of accidents (60% UK fatalities are in rural areas) and providing adequate services and amenities for a larger population (eg 200 houses means 400-500 people). Nothing against anyone having a decent roof over their head, just don't destroy somewhere precious and beautiful for pure commercial gain and disguise it as meeting an "affordable" housing quota (local evidence ?) or satisfying unrealistic 'Government new housing targets'. Like other people, I moved out of London some time ago for a much quieter, rural existence in a beautiful place. This development project will be major problem for the 'lane' and the immediate vicinity if it goes ahead.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Local (25th Jun 2025  17:59:55) DSK that applies to anywhere houses are built in liphook. . Any development that we have to have should be put where the least damage to the village centre to minimise the traffic through the square. This development is one that ticks most of the boxes. No development will be perfect because we really don’t want any but that won’t happen. So we must put what we are allocated in the best possible place to minimise the impact on our community.

Re: Penally Farm Development - C (25th Jun 2025  19:36:17) Since ‘D’ is so hot on grammar, I feel it incumbent upon me to highlight the incorrect use of “infer “ in their comment which does not mean “imply” or “insinuate”. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (25th Jun 2025  20:41:23) Local, not everywhere in liphook is as rural as Hewshott Lane, in a conservation area, or have such narrow lanes. 200 houses built anywhere in the vicinity are going to create more traffic going in and out of the square. Those parents driving children to school from there are going to either use London road and longmoor rd to get to Bohunt and then onto sainsburys (through the square!)

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (26th Jun 2025  08:07:20) Just for clarity this proposed development is not on the narrow country lane section of Hewshott Lane, it is on the wide dual lane section alongside the A3 slip road. This is not a rural idyll area in open countryside but a piece of land alongside a major trunk road and other new housing development ( Bramshott Place). I suggest anyone with issues, or just wants to find out what is proposed and question the promoters, visits the exhibition in the Village Hall this afternoon/evening.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (26th Jun 2025  09:13:11) I do understand where the planning application is, and it is not entirely next to the A3 that is the entrance, however it is naive to think that it will not impact on the rest of Hewshott Lane there would potentially be 400 plus more cars up and down a country lane.

Re: Penally Farm Development - DSK (26th Jun 2025  09:14:44) I wholeheartedly agree with Joe. There are a lot of homes along this end of Hewshott lane that will be severely impacted in so many negative ways with 200 dwellings and c. 500 additional people on their doorsteps. There are alternative locations in Liphook. Moreover, it's naĂŻve to believe any part of the lane won't be impacted or that it's only affecting the 'wider part'. Traffic will be significantly increased everyday causing frustration, accidents and disruption to everyone living or working. Purely and simply, this is a commercially (not community) driven project. Someone's pension pot isn't going to care less about any issues or risks (and they're real by the way) caused by the development. And "yes", I will be attending the various public sessions (e.g. today at Liphook Village Hall) and protesting like hell about this project.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Re (26th Jun 2025  10:51:17) DSK please enlighten us as to the other sites that are better placed. This site is close to theA3 children CAN walk to school parents already park at Radford to drop off children for school only a few steps further. The only other site that is a better one is bohunt manor and Northcott land if it could be developed properly that is the best site for everything. All the other proposed sites are not good for liphook especially those on the top side ie the other side of the station. All this talk of narrow lanes etc the impact of huge traffic increase has made all the roads very busy the avenue has become a rat run between headly road and longmoor road and it’s narrow through a housing estate with two schools on it . Tower road the same. Liphook centre should be protected at all costs. It’s time for a long hard look at the situation.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (26th Jun 2025  11:38:03) No R E liphook centre should not be protected at “ all costs” hewshott lane is a conservation area too, please remember that. Have a look at the square nos with your blinkers off, all the ugly signs and double yellow lines it is an eyesore most of it.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (26th Jun 2025  12:02:44) Where you have six roads converging at one point you are going to have traffic. This situation is quite unique and we should celebrate it and preserve it, the traffic is part of the conservation area. I'm sure we don't want to fall into the trap of picking and choosing which bits we conserve.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Charlie (26th Jun 2025  13:10:24) Don't blame the developers for wanting to make a profit - they are not an altruistic business, they arepurely commercial. In a sense that is what we all do - work for money whether for ourselves or work for other people who pay us. Don't blame EHDC because they are under huge pressure from the Government to find sites as East Hampshire does not have its Housing Land Supply. So blame the Labour Party and blame the SDNP and whoever drew those ridiculous boundaries years ago which makes 57% of East Hampshire in the SDNP leaving the other 43% to find sites for houses.

Re: Penally Farm Development - DSK (26th Jun 2025  15:25:56) Quite a few misguided and irrelevant points being raised, which don't offer arguments either way nor actually address the risks of this proposed development. Simple fact is that there's quite a few hard working, honest folk that don't want a housing estate immediately outside their door on the other side of the lane instead of currently looking out onto beautiful pastures, enjoying the wildlife and originally buying into a rural existence. Moreover, the whole dynamic and safety of Hewshott Lane will be impacted for the worse; there is no upside for anyone living, working or enjoying the lane if this project goes ahead. See you at Liphook Village Hall.

Re: Penally Farm Development - A different M (26th Jun 2025  15:47:42) Yes please DSK and Joe enlighten us as to where there are better sites for the new housing that Liphook will have imposed on it due to the ridiculous SDNP boundary. There is, and never will be, a joined up plan for Liphook in regards to new development and where it should go. The NDP is not a plan as to where new development should go, only what aesthetically it should look like. It was "too hard", according to the committee, so they washed their hands of it and left it up to EHDC and SDNPA. As EHDC and SDNPA do not talk constructively, with regards planning, then it's the parishioners of Liphook who seem to end up with piecemeal developments of no benefit to those who live here. Penally Farm, in my opinion, is the best of a bad bunch that are being, or could be, promoted. We will have to agree to disagree on the impact it might have on local roads and congestion but if the developer goes ahead with an application in the near future EHDC have nothing in their arsenal to refuse it, and if they do then the developer will go to appeal and win due to the lack of 5 year housing supply and the dreaded "tilted balance". Our enemies, with regards to unsuitable development, are the Government for imposing ridiculous new housing numbers for East Hampshire, EHDC due to their lack of 5 year housing land supply and local plan, SDNPA for not recognising Liphook as a settlement within the National Park and BLPC for not biting the bullet when they could and taking on the allocation of new housing in the NDP.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Life long resident (26th Jun 2025  17:19:14) Yes DSK and Joe please enlighten us where would a development of around 200 houses not impacted on others. Anything of that proportion will impact on liphook and if it’s put in the wrong place it will cause considerable damage to our village . Yes Joe the square has become a not so lovely place that it was mainly due to the huge increase in traffic but also bad planning and the councils not imposing the law as regards it being a conservation area, something we must strive to reverse. Not to sure this development is in a conservation area. Just can’t think of any site that would be any better except as someone else said Bohunt manor if they put in the link road.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Resident (26th Jun 2025  18:55:09) Just had a look at the development. Very interesting seems a good place to put houses adjacent to A3 good footpaths and cycle lanes. .Access to the station not too far to walk. Access to Haslemere via hindhead very easy. It’s a good place to develop in liphook.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Joe (26th Jun 2025  20:56:43) It will not be a question of which development is preferred by the public, because EHDC do not have a five year land supply so developments will happen anyway and they will all be in the “wrong“ place for some of us.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Realist (26th Jun 2025  22:11:57) British people are renowned for many things, inventing the word NIMBYISM for a start! I think we all agree that with a massively increasing population that will only go on to increase more rapidly (snowball effect) our country has a desperate need for housing of all kinds and not just in the cities. I know we're worried about losing our village feel, but I fear that as is usual, people will object to any development in their areas but somehow think it's fine in someone else's! This is far from limited to any specific area, but goes on everywhere. ie, if you live on the Berg estate, I suppose you couldn't possibly imagine housing on the Chicken farm being practical, the distance from the station is just too huge, I mean it's 3/4 of a mile for goodness sake! And I imagine it would be the same story on every street, from Hewshott Lane through to the South Downs National Park which will suddenly become precious to some people who had never thought about it before! Am I being cynical? I don't know, but I know we need a lot more affordable and cheaper housing all over and Liphook will have to take it's fair share, it's a perfect spot for housing, a reasonable train station with one (albeit slow) train an hour, reasonable road links to the cities and airports, best of all it's at the back end of the county, out of the way, out of sight, out of mind! I'm sure a lot of people outside Liphook will think it's the perfect spot for a few large housing estates and all the resulting problems to be allocated, relieved it's not their town, which for a hundred reasons is just unsuitable! So lets be bigger than that, there is a need, Liphook is big enough to take it's share, the exact locations don't really matter, every new house wherever it is in the town will be driving their kids around and using the doctors surgery etc, the roads and amenities are screwed anyway, let's at least do it with a smile!

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (27th Jun 2025  08:15:22) Not helped by the never ending queue of illegal immigrants just walking into our country. Enoch Powell was so right and no one listened to him.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Greg (27th Jun 2025  11:00:26) Wow , you can tell that there is a big company and eager sellers here , never seen so many posts pro a development , there must be a load of profit in it . Any ways the point is what does Liphook get out of it , not a lot from what I can see, where is the infrastructure to support this ,etc .. etc .Bordon was to take the housing expansion with promises of supermarkets , ice rinks etc so where are they then .. long on promise short on delivery.. its not that I object to the development I object to short lived promises and no advantages to the community

Re: Penally Farm Development - Resident (27th Jun 2025  11:59:01) I think some are missing the point. Saying it’s doesn’t matter where development takes place of course it does. That’s the big problem saying the berg estate people don’t want the chicken farm that’s not true it’s because any development on that side of the square will result in complete chaos in the centre of the village. So putting the houses in the most appropriate place to alleviate that is very important. As it stands it seems that at moment there is only two sites that are appropriate bohunt manor and this site. Bohunt needs to be sorted out because it’s not viable as it stands without the through road to longmoor road so that puts Penally Farm in first place. Nothing to do with on anyone’s doorstep it’s what’s best for liphook.

Re: Penally Farm Development - DSK (27th Jun 2025  13:36:16) Glad someone credible has turned up to this debate with some relevant points (thank you Greg). Citing Government policy (housing or immigration) or local council's short-sightedness isn't really helpful as this proposed project boils down to a land owner looking to make a massive return on their investment irrespective if it serves the community, Hewshott Lane or the 'Square' or not. Unfortunately, both the Parish Council and EHDC will make an isolated decision based on this project's merits rather than assess the big picture of 'housing demand' vs best option (incidentally, I do think the 'Bohunt' site is the best strategically placed option in answer to "yes please DSK"). I'll refrain from repeating my aforementioned arguments against this project, as they're pretty sound, compelling and supported by many people holding objective, balanced views. However, I'd like to invite my newfound friends "D", "A Different M" and "Resident" to stand in the middle of Hewshott Lane (outside Penally Farm will do) when there's an issue with either the Hindhead Tunnel or more generally the A3 which will be representative of traffic arising from this project; I'll give you a life expectancy of 60 seconds ;-) Strategically, I would like to see a more considered development plan (and road system) surrounding the village 'Square' as I'd like to see a more vibrant place for younger people, less empty shops and a buzz about the place.

Re: Penally Farm Development - Resident (27th Jun 2025  14:14:44) DSK your post is just about what the people of liphook have been struggling to achieve for the past 50 years or more. Good planning which the councils don’t seem to want to implement. Your last statement hits the nail on the head as they say . Having lived her all my life and worked on most of the land around and driven tractors along hewshott lane and rode my pony through the square not a lot that I’m not familiar with. But we have grown hugely since then but that shouldn’t stop us fighting for the lovely village centre our community centre. Hopefully you will carry on the fight trouble is we have to have more and more homes and getting them in the right place causes a problem . Getting the infrastructure as well near impossible . We have a lot of families coming here for city’s and they are just seeing what we oldies saw coming over population with no proper planning infrastructure failing the usual old chestnut. So all you new people to our lovely village take an interest because it’s your home know.

Re: Penally Farm Development - KGB (28th Jun 2025  13:02:41) It seems Penally Farm has the best access to the A3 of any site suggested, which requires minimal infrastructure for traffic through the village….seems widening might be required but there will always be some impact where ever houses are built. The NIMBY’s can’t always have their own way.

Re: Penally Farm Development - er (28th Jun 2025  14:27:24) I was just reading about the controversial planning appeals decision in a place called Smallfield, Surrey (Chapel Road), very similar thing, 270 houses on pretty green farmland, still the planners designated it as legally 'greyfield' and allowed the application against well organised opposition who felt it would damage their pretty area and contribute to urban sprawl, but the planning inspector decided the neighbourhood constituted a 'village' which legally gives it no protection under the urban sprawl laws, also designating the green fields as grey field means they are considered less worthy of saving, if this all sounds very Orwellian double speak, what do you expect, the need for houses trumps all it seems! getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/270-home-plans-approved-surrey-31948758

Re: Penally Farm Development - er (28th Jun 2025  16:29:39) PS Here's little more that I found on a quick internet search about this new 'third' designation 'greyfield' in planning that will affect us all unfortunately. The term greyfield is very new, it was introduced in 2024 by Labour to free up land for housing which was previously protected under the designation of greenbelt and not previously developed enough to be designated brownfield. It seems to be a vaguely defined catchall that can be played on by determined developers. As far as I can see in the case above, the planners are taking a wide view, but a brief internet search shows it was primarily intended to include poor, ugly or waste land, including disused quarries etc. If the planners are going to allow green farmland to be included as grey land (such as in the case above) they are pushing the boundaries, I only hope that Surrey Council have the balls to appeal this to the Home Office, so that a clearer definition of the planners limits can be defined, because I feel clarity is needed, not greyness! planninggeek.co.uk/planning/grey-belt-green-belt-greenfield-brownfield

Re: Penally Farm Development - GB (28th Jun 2025  18:49:01) I am a resident of Hewshott Lane, and yes, I could be accused of nimbyism. BUT I work closely with many less well off residents in our village and I’m well aware that more social housing is required. Some of my concerns are specifically about A2Dominion. Yes, they do provide social housing but to a terrible standard. They have just been downgraded by the Regulator of Social Housing - to quote: “RSH lacks assurance that A2Dominion has a robust risk management, internal control and assurance framework that enables it to manage and mitigate risks. The provider has failed to manage key risks effectively which has led to some poor outcomes for tenants. RSH also lacks assurance that A2Dominion’s data and systems are adequate. These issues have led to the provider producing poor-quality data and hindering the board’s oversight of the organisation.” Reading reviews from tenants- I do appreciate people are far more likely to complain than praise - there are terrible stories of lack of care, serious mould left unattended for years, leaks, flats and houses left unfinished or in dire need of maintenance etc etc. I think we need to be aware that this company does not produce decent, never mind good quality housing. The mental and physical health of some tenants placed in substandard housing can be horribly exacerbated by the frustrations of low quality landlords who continue to take the rent monthly but are not prepared to build good quality homes, or repair the dreadful ones they have built. Regarding traffic. Walking to school would be great but working parents rarely have time to walk their children to and from school. In addition, there are no educational spaces at Liphook Juniors or Infants. Parents will have to drive their children to Bordon or Liss - if there are spaces there - which I doubt. So where will they go to school? Regarding traffic in Hewshott Lane. We have virtually no traffic from Bramshott Place and Grange unless it’s an elderly visitor who is terrified to find themselves in such a difficult lane. I’ve had to reverse their cars on their behalf a number of times. When the A3 was closed as it was the other week, the lane was totally congested. We had one van and two car owners ask if they could park in our drive as they were at a standstill and wanted to walk to their destination, coming back to collect their cars and van a few hours later. Although the development would be near the A3, the shortest route to Haslemere would be down the Lane - havoc would ensue. As others have mentioned, we need many many more facilities in this village to properly care for, and support those already living here. Developers are urged to make contributions, but when they do it’s absolutely minimal; we need a new school, another surgery, more sports facilities etc etc not new planters on a roundabout or a tiny patch designated as a playground. Labour has successfully thrown all County and District Council Planning Offices into turmoil. The rules have been ripped up and developers will have a field day, building substandard housing or claiming they will build social housing - only to build 4 or 5 bedroom houses which are way out of reach of our teachers or NHS staff etc. I would finally (thank heavens I hear you say!) like to say that it is not just those fleeing terror in their own countries that are increasing the need for more housing, I saw interesting figures the other day which showed that separation and divorce is hugely pushing up the need for what is in effect two dwellings for one family. Something to mull over. We need to be very alert to who is doing the developing, the quality of the build and what payback the village gets for expanding the housing stock be it in Devil’s Lane, Bohunt Manor or Penally Farm. Thank you for reading this rather long piece.

Re: Penally Farm Development - SP (30th Jun 2025  23:14:22) Having read all the comments raised so far I'd like to add a further point to consider. Even if the children were to walk to school parents will use their cars to shop at Sainsbury and other village shops leading to an increase in traffic movements. Parts of Liphook already exceed the legal emissions levels at various points during the day. I know vehicles are supposed to be getting cleaner, however more traffic movements equal more emissions equals poor air quality for all of us. There has been more than enough development in Liphook and the thousand plus houses built on the army land at Bordon must have delivered the targets for East Hampshire.

Re: Penally Farm Development - D (1st Jul 2025  07:50:04) Legal emissions levels? Do go on.

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