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The terrible two (or three) - John Trodden (28th Nov 2011 - 17:32:04) Nigel Newman’s Flier Cllr Anna James put a joint effort flier put through my door this weekend supporting Nigel Newman and John Tough, two of the candidates for the coming election next week. In Newman’s blurb I was amazed to read “Nigel was Chairman of the Parish Council for 2 years, standing down to clear his name following vicious accusations which have been proved and accepted to be false and baseless. Having seen off his detractors, he is ready to work for the community again”. What a lot of nonsense this is. I am the man who asked the three questions of Council Chairman Newman last January. 1: Question. “Have you ever been arrested and charged with a criminal offence?” The Chairman replies NO. His own solicitors have sent me a bail sheet showing that he was indeed arrested for criminal damage and affray arising out of an incident where Newman took an iron bar to his girlfriend’s car which had another passenger onboard and was travelling on the public highway. This incident terrified and traumatised the car’s occupants. One does not get issued a bail sheet from the police unless they have been arrested and charged as stated. Newman lied on this occasion. 2: Question 2 related to extensive building works that Mr Newman had carried out at his home, Alderwood, without planning permission or building control involvement. I have now proven that Mr Newman demolished the majority of his home and excavated out new footings. I have clear and damning colour photographs during the demolition and re building operations showing the extent. EHDC concur that these works would have required planning permission and building control and that none were ever sought. Newman lied on this occasion. 3: Question 3 related to the illegal burying of contaminated waste in the garden of his home. This matter is still under investigation by the authorities but I saw these operations with my own eyes as did many other witnesses who have now made statements to that effect. These were not/are not baseless allegations as he claims but statements of fact. He lied when sitting as Council Chairman and he has lied again in his flier. Is this the sort of man who should be standing for election as a parish Councillor? Jock Trodden

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Richard (28th Nov 2011 - 21:04:40) Perhaps the gentleman concerned could reply, and if necessary, set the record straight. I woudl trust that there is merely a misunderstanding at work here

Re: The terrible two (or three) - david (28th Nov 2011 - 23:30:36) ive also had the cringing misfortune of reading this flier!. why does newman feel the need to state the deeds of his brother, how does this reflect on his caracter?, then we have the brunel bit about bridge building at radford park, chucking a few sleepers over a ditch i suspect. he also states of accusations put to him were \"false and baseless\" in my opinion these words sum him up in a nutshell.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - john (28th Nov 2011 - 23:52:01) after attending tonights pc meeting i was shocked to hear the daming evidence of the wrong doings of groves newman and tough. how they have got the brass neck to run for council,? it does seem that newmans flier stating accusations against him have been proved to be false and baseless. are lies it appears newman has proved nothing to clear his name?

Re: The terrible two (or three) - may (29th Nov 2011 - 06:32:05) actualy one can get issued a bail sheet without being charged with anything, usualy it is because the police are still investigating, obviously in this case there was no evidence, hence no prosecution, in this country a man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and not innocent until proven guilty by a mud slinging rabble.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - helen (29th Nov 2011 - 17:51:11) I thought we had put this issue to bed before! As the allegations have not been found to be baseless, if Mr Newman is elected I am sure Mr Trodden will be at every council meeting to remind Mr Newman of this. Unfortunately it is only convicted people who cannot stand as Parish Councillors. I would suspect though that the voters of Liphook will not want him back

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Guffer (30th Nov 2011 - 03:26:41) HAHA, mr trodden, or should i call you sir?? I realise after this post that obviously your pet hamster must of passed away or alternatively you may of realised that out of all the people in the village you are the least liked!!!! Whichever one it is i feel your pain and i too was very angry and also shifted the blame onto someone else when this happened to me when i was 6. If you ever need a shoulder to cry on let me know as i feel your pain, alternatively just grow up and accept that people can make their own choices in life without you and your heavies!!! Best wishes to all involved in the election :) p.s. if you need help with your coursework don't hesitate to call x x

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Jock Trodden (30th Nov 2011 - 17:47:15) Hey Guffer, are you on drugs??? What are you rambling on about? What other people think of me is none of my concern so my popularity, or lack of it, is immaterial. I sleep well at night knowing I have done the next right thing. That will always be the case! Jock Trodden

Re: The terrible two (or three) - john (30th Nov 2011 - 18:12:09) Any one who trys to defend lies deceit and corruption in public office or any were else are like minded and not worth a light.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - may (30th Nov 2011 - 23:20:45) I believe Jock trodden is aware that a bail sheet can be issued without any charges ever being brought, the reason being to give the police sufficient time to investigate, so my worry is, why is Mr. Trodden trying to muddy the waters, could it be that the public at large may not be aware of this and he is trying to pull the wool over your eyes.Mr. Trodden states that he had communication from Mr. Newmans solicitor, forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe that Mr. Newmans solicitor would have made it clear that Mr. Newman was not charged with any offence, of course I do not know this for certain but I cannot imagine that there would have been no explaination enclosed , so why is Mr. Trodden seemingly trying to mislead the public,not so squeeky clean methinks.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Jock Trodden (2nd Dec 2011 - 17:54:55) Well! The cards are on the table. My hand is being forced and I have to declare with regret. I would have wished to save Ex Council Chairman Newman further embarrassment but he has chosen to stand, on the same flier as Mr Tough, for re election. He has stated in the “Barmy Herald” that “he stood down clear his name following vicious accusations which have been proved and accepted to be false and baseless. Having seen off his detractors, he is ready to work for the community again” this was only the first of three questions. I have published the actual summons issued by a Magistrate to Newman. You don’t get summonses unless you have been charged with a criminal offence. To view the bail sheet follow the link below, or copy and paste it into the address bar of your internet explorer. bit.ly/um5vqb Jock Trodden

Re: The terrible two (or three) - john (2nd Dec 2011 - 21:18:32) Another misinformed supporter of newman shown the facts.One of the low life tricks newman did to my self and family was to falsely accuse us of the mistreatment of our livestock two RSPCA inspectors called one an expert of sheep one an expert of bovine they both reported nothing at all wrong it was MALICIOUS! I asked the hampshire c.c animal welfare officer to attend she also said there was nothing at all wrong with any of the livestock.There are other incidents he has falsely accused my self and famly of . I reported him to EHDC STANDARDS COMMITTEE it took over a year to investegate useing a indpendent solicitor from LIPHOOK to be told the things he had done he had not done as a councillor but as a private person. He has tried his best to make our life hell all because i reported his mate for burning tons of waste when i have babies living here. His actions show his true character!

Re: The terrible two (or three) - sean (4th Dec 2011 - 18:08:29) its not rocket science, please use your vote wisely and keep the rotten apples out of the barrel!

Re: The terrible two (or three) - dbell (5th Dec 2011 - 10:57:46) I've also had the flier! .What a joke,i can't believe Newman is running again, as for the bit about building the bridge at radford park and also using his brother's life achievements , said to me Newman can't have done much good if thats all he's got to sell himself.to try for votes, hopefully the liphook parishioners can see right through him and keep him out of council.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - john (6th Dec 2011 - 20:35:13) Reading some of the other threads it looks like tough and newman are trying to jump on any band waggon they can !

Re: The terrible two (or three) - a.heathcote (6th Dec 2011 - 21:35:24) Well Mr Newman, if you lied about this matter I suspect you have mislead us on the other two questions. I understand that you sat on the planning committee of LPC making decisions that could affect other people’s hopes and aspirations yet when it comes to your own home you appear to have done as you pleased without a word to the authorities. If the question of contaminated waste allegedly buried in your garden is also proven then I for one would not like to be in your shoes. Parish Councillors ought to be above reproach and behave in an exemplary manner!

Re: The terrible two (or three) - andy (7th Dec 2011 - 15:52:59) OK enough is enough i know Mr Newman will not come on this website or enter this debate but i am happy to. Mr trodden you did not ask 3 questions you asked several and also made several statements, you said Mr Newman had been charged with attempted murder.. not true, you said Mr Newman had doubled the size of his house without permission.. not true, you then changed this to knocking it down and building a new one again not true, finally you stated Mr Newman may have needed building regs to carry out work he did.. not true, you have photo's from his solicitor proving this, there are no new footings, i challenge you to produce the photo's. The investigation will show no contamination of water as you claimed and that Mr Newman has not dumped waste or contaminated his land. The results are already with his solicitors. Mr Newman has no convictions another claim made by you, you are aware he has a clean CRB check. You need to check with your solicitor what you have already withdrawn, I have seen the letters. What is your motive? anyone else would have apologized by now! You have been misled by his x wife, a women who defrauded social security and lied and lied about Mr Newman behavior, i have even seen the text where she swore to destroy him whatever it took, this is a woman who broke into his house and caused criminal damage several times while stalking him, this is a fact and is on record with the police, she has also made false affidavits and statements about Mr Newman. However she now works for you and you claim her as a special friend. Mr Newman has never tried to hide the fact he was questioned and bailed by the police, he was offered a caution at the time but refused because the charge was not true the case was then dropped. As for david and john i presume this is david who works for you Mr trodden and his father john who did the gas work at the windmill? The truth is this john and his family have threatened and bullied Mr Newman his wife and family for years this again is a matter of police record. As for the rspca, Mr Newman admitted calling them once to a sick and unattended sheep with fly strike? the animal was rotting and unable to stand it was dead within two days.. is this good conduct? finally lets be up front and do not bother to reply unless you answer this fully. Mr trodden, john and david have you ever been arrested and if so what for?.. have you ever been charged and if so what for? have you ever been convicted and if so what for? i rest my case and believe the people of liphook will see through you and your lies!!!!

Re: The terrible two (or three) - brenda (7th Dec 2011 - 18:17:06) andy if that is indeed your name or are u just one of mr newmans henchmen/ chums from public house watering hole The deers hut? i know of u mr newman and ur acquaintances and they are hardly pillars of the comunity are they? and why is the questiones bein asked to john and david who? about there criminal records/history as i don\'t believe iv seen there names running for liphook parish council so it\'s realy of no interest to me or any other liphook parishioners to know is it?

Re: The terrible two (or three) - John Trodden (7th Dec 2011 - 18:27:34) Thank you Andy for your input in this continuing saga. You are not in a position to challenge me to do anything let alone publish material which is, or may be, sub-judice. The evidence I have meticulously gathered is now in the hands of my defence barrister. As you appear to be close to Mr Newman you will know that he has issued a Pre Protocol for Defamation of Character against me. The onus is upon me to respond and provide evidence that the questions I asked were legitimate and could be proven if challenged. I have now done that. The evidence is irrefutable. And am comfortable that I will defend any claim issued by Newman should he decide to go to a full Court hearing. The onus is now on him to issue proceedings against me if he so wishes bearing in mind I will certainly issue a substantial counter claim for damages and all costs incurred. I will sleep easy tonight. You have stated I have been misled by his ex wife. Mr Newman has been married twice before and I know both ex wives very well. Perhaps you could indicate which wife you are referring to? Or perhaps you ought to consider your position in this matter and don’t offer an opinion in public on matters that clearly do not concern you and on which you are most certainly ill-informed. Finally, if there is any interested party who wonders what this is all about may I please refer them to the original posting by George Jones in May 2011. “Nigel Newman-Is he fit to be chairman of the Parish?” Anyone with an inquisitive mind can type “Newman” into the “SEARCH TALKBACK” box and refresh their memories. This man has the temerity to stand again tomorrow (Thursday) on the same flier as his stable mate, Dr Tough, It Beggars belief! Jock Trodden

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Frances (7th Dec 2011 - 19:43:00) If you can hear a slight echo to the last two or three postings on this thread it is because they are coming from the bottom of the barrel. Frances

Re: The terrible two (or three) - john (7th Dec 2011 - 20:02:28) I am not standing for the parish council so it is not of your concern but i will tell you any way i have a clean criminal record. I will say what is on police record paving slabs through my windows splinters of glass in my wife eyes me being attacked with a chain in my own home. an arson attack in the middle of the night six feet from were my six month old grandchild was sleeping threats false alligations all a matter of police record. And yes i am a gas sco1 what ever has that got to do with it?

Re: The terrible two (or three) - andy (7th Dec 2011 - 20:57:26) come on mr trodden don't start hiding behind sub-judice your the one who's made the point that an arrest and bail from the police even when its 12 years old and did not go to court somehow makes mr newman an unfit person not suitable to be a councilor! you are a councilor, you have never disclosed your history by your own standards you should do!! rather than have me do it for you.. so come on mr trodden tell the truth or is one law for you and one for everybody else and as for you john i've seen you bundled into the back of a police van! and didn't you get banned from the co-op? and what was that for? and have all your connections always been lawful and didn't you just complain on this website about mr newmans double unit while you with mr troddens assistance sold part of your agricultural land to a family knowing that they intended to put a mobile home on site and then claim gypsy rights and did you and mr trodden assist in the water and drainage connections? and wasn't this prior to permission being granted and isn't it interesting how the parish council supported this application without even visiting the site or neighbours as is the norm. so come on jock, john and david come clean

Re: The terrible two (or three) - may (8th Dec 2011 - 06:05:14) Andy, I too have heard rumers that Mr. Trodden has a "history" if you know what it involves please post on here, for all to see. It seems to me that Mr. Trodden has a personal vendetta against Mr Newman. to be honest Ithink it is bordering on an obbsesion, he obviously is aware that Mr Newman has not been convicted of any crime, yet still he persists in making false allegations, destroying someones reputation, why? I sincerely hope the people of Liphook are not taken in with his accusations.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - brenda (8th Dec 2011 - 08:04:34) andy u seem to be getting in a bit of a rant, u should calm urself down or u may give urself a heart attack!

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Michael (8th Dec 2011 - 14:50:08) Is it because he is about to "Ruffle" a few feathers!

Re: The terrible two (or three) - James (8th Dec 2011 - 20:01:38) Newman or Trodden, I don't give a damn who's right or wrong, I don't want to be represented by either of these fruitcakes! People who expend so much effort on bitching at each other have already ruled themselves out in my view. A pox on both their houses! I'm voting for Eddie.

Re: The terrible two (or three) - Tim Bucktoo (13th Dec 2011 - 08:53:56) As a casual observer of this website, I suggest, Mr Trodden, that you tread very carefully. You continually talk of 'evidence' that you alleged to have in your possession that seems could be incriminating to Mr Newman. But despite this evidence, you just seem to make defamatory comments about Mr Newman. In my many years as a Statement Reviewer for various Police Forces and on reading your posts, there are certain areas that we would call 'cloudy' I.e they don\\\\\\\'t add up!! I\\\\\\\'m supprised Mr Newman has never had a 'Cease and Desist' issued against yourself and this website. Kind Regards

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