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Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (26th Sep 2011 - 20:30:28) The application has been lodged with East Hants District Council for outline planning consent. OUTLINE - RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE DWELLINGS WITH ASSOCIATED ACCESS, CAR PARKING, LANDSCAPING AND PUBLIC OPEN SPACE FOLLOWING DEMOLITION OF FIVE DWELLINGS It appears that local residents will be receiving a consultation letter shortly. There is no indication at present as to what changes (if any) have been made to the proposals exhibited in January. There do not appear to be any layout drawings attached to the application.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Martin (27th Sep 2011 - 14:15:09) Another substantial development for Liphook on top of the Silent Garden site. Not sure how much more development the village can take. This site will of course need to be accessed from the Longmoor Road so there will I\'m sure be a roundabout plonked close to the sharp bend in the dip so a road can be put through. This will urbanise this area as there is bound to be associated signage and street lighting. Bet there has also been absolutely no provision made for increased schooling or shopping facilities to accomodate all these additional people. Sorry to harbour negative thoughts but I really don\'t think building over every square inch of land within the Liphook settlement boundary can be a good thing.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (27th Sep 2011 - 22:23:36) Update: Full details of application and supporting documentation are now on the EHDC website. Proposals for roundabout access off Longmoor Rd appear to be essentially as before.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - El (30th Sep 2011 - 19:31:34) As if Liphook needs any more development. It is quite absurd. No doubt it will be family friendly dwellings that are built - I am amazed that the schools seem to cope. The roads however do not. Not only is The Avenue basically just a car park at school times but now Tower Road is going the same way. Both of which lead to havoc on the Headley Road, The Square etc. Perhaps it is time we did something? Although judging by the driving skills of the people who ignore the fact that the obstruction is on their side of the road, I guess self interest always wins out.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Nick Hancock (30th Sep 2011 - 20:12:25) On the schooling front: currently a lot of pupils at Liphook\'s schools come from out of catchment, by car. So, ironically, if the schools fill up with Liphook children that could mean less traffic, not more. Which is not to say that 150 new houses are a great thing - but at least we always knew that this was anreserve housing site.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Councillor Barbara Easton (5th Oct 2011 - 18:06:31) This planning application will be discussed at the next Parish Council planning meeting Monday 17th October please also put any comments onto the EHDC website. I believe the website has changed and one has to register one's details and sign in now.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Sarah (5th Oct 2011 - 20:44:18) Just in response to Nick's comment, a lot of children from within catchment come in by car - not because parents are lazy but because the catchment area actually spreads beyond Liphook. As you will know if you travel on many of the roads out of Liphook, pavements become scarce/dangerous. There are various satellite car parks on the edges of Liphook where parents have permission to park to stop them from clogging up the centre of Liphook. I think you will find that the problem with cars within Liphook is simply because some parents have to wizz off to work after drop-off. It cannot just be blamed on people who live out of Liphook! Please don't start saying that Liphook school is only for children within Liphook! It is for any children living in the area. I am, however, as concerned as many of the other posters about the resources that will be put in place for school places. Those of us on the edge of the catchment area will be pushed out and where are our children meant to be schooled?

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Rosie (6th Oct 2011 - 04:56:52) Planning application is 34310/016. I can't see any maps or layout of the houses on the council planning website. It says there was an open consultation and some 1,200 letters were sent to residents. Apart from going up to the council offices, does anyone know where to see more details of this application?

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (6th Oct 2011 - 11:17:42) Rosie If you go onto the website and search for lowsley farm you should find the application. I think your reference number is correct but I am not sure. Once you find the correct application you should see an option to click on to look at the documents. One of these documents (there are a lot!) is the indicative layout of housing in the new development although the developer reserves the right to change this before a future application for detailed planning permission.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Councillor Barbara Easton (6th Oct 2011 - 13:23:42) Although this has not been looked at in detail yet by the Parish council, I believe it is an outline application, the design and density of the houses would be a later application.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (6th Oct 2011 - 20:10:22) Barbara Is the meeting on the 17th being held in a venue which will hold the likely attendance of a significant number of local residents? There are a lot of people at the Giggs Green end of Longmoor road who are very concerned about the proposed roundabout and associated traffic calming measures.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (6th Oct 2011 - 21:02:09) Any resident of Longmoor Rd concerned about the impact of the proposed new roundabout and associated traffic calming measures might find this link of some interest: www.bllaw.co.uk/...

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Councillor Barbara Easton (6th Oct 2011 - 22:20:46) I would think at the Peak centre, there is more room than the Haskell Centre. Problem is the Millenuim Hall could have a prior long standing booking for a Monday Evening, it is only the week after next.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (6th Oct 2011 - 22:46:39) Residents of Longmoor Rd and other parts of the village centre might be interested in the conclusions of the Transport Assessment submitted as part of the Lowsley farm planning application. Section 5 of this document purports to forecast the increase in traffic movements arising as a consequence of the proposed development. The impact on the junction at the top of Longmoor Rd is represented by the diagrams on pages 41 and 43 of the PDF file. The conclusion of the 'expert' traffic consultants engaged by the developers appears to be that, in 2016, there will be only 15 additional vehicles (arriving at the roundabout during the morning peak between 8 and 9am (413 total)compared to their forecast for 2016 if the development does not proceed (398 total). Interestingly all of these 16 additional vehicles will turn right! This suggests that no one from the new development will access the northbound A3 through the village.

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - jo (7th Oct 2011 - 15:03:06) I went to look at the plans at the council offices in Petersfield today... 1. There is mention of a \'safe route to school\' through Yeoman\'s Lane. Well, there obviously isn\'t any through traffic there, but if anyone is hoping to get from one end to the other with a pushchair, they will have to go on the road because of all the parked cars on the pavements - not people being difficult, just the way it is these days with the increased number of cars. 2. Parking - should all be \'within the curtilage of the houses\', ie off road. Will there be anywhere for visitors to park? Thinking about other developments in Liphook like this, it can be a nightmare to park if you don\'t have an allotted space. A family that has one or two cars quickly takes up more space on the road when their children start driving too. Also the plans show a photo of a built in garage as an example of a parking place. Hands up those people who actually put their car in their garage every time they park, or at all! 3. There is also mention of opportunities to create new cycle ways to the village and surrounding countryside, but no actual plans to show where these might be. I don\'t know if this is just thrown into the plan to look ecofriendly, and as something that someone else could do, or if they have plans to do/pay for them. Unless they just mean that people can cycle about in the new development! 4. The plan on view is different from the one we were shown at the open event back in Jan, and from an earlier comment, it sounds as if it could change again. 5. I agree with the previous comment about traffic - how can there only be 15 more cars at peak time at the only access point to/from an estate of 155 houses? The plans suggest that the development is in a zone where it takes 12 mins to get to the centre of the village, but I think most people don\'t walk that 12 or so mins, especially if you are going on to New Town or combining your trip to the village with going on to somewhere else. 6. I\'m also not sure about drainage. There is an acknowledged problem with drainage in the area, which is mentioned in the document. I think the ponds are a way of dealing with this, but I wonder if the lower lying parts of the site will just be soggy from all the extra run-off. I don\'t know if there will be any effect on the new houses, existing houses, or the SANG (eg making part of the open space too boggy to use, or attracting mosquitoes). Hopefully there is someone who knows about these things!

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - Steve (7th Oct 2011 - 16:54:45) Jo I should clarify that the traffic projection is that an additional 15 vehicles originating from the new estate will arrive at the existing roundabout at the top of Longmoor Rd during the peak time between 8 and 9am. The forecast number of vehicles leaving the estate during this period is 78. The consultants apparently believe that the vast majority of these vehicles will turn right at the new roundabout on Longmoor Rd rather than left towards the village centre. I find this difficult to believe but do not claim to be an expert in the field!

Re: Lowsley Farm planning application - jo (7th Oct 2011 - 22:37:43) Aah, thanks for that Steve - makes a bit more sense! I misunderstood. Maybe they are predicting the new development will be a dormitory for all the people who work in Guildford etc now that the tunnel is finished? They will be very handily placed to get onto the A3.

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