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Old Shanklys cafe - AF (28th Oct 2022 - 21:55:55) I was on the railway replacement bus this morning and noticed a sign in the old Shanklys building about a new coffee shop. Anybody know anything about this.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Sam (30th Oct 2022 - 16:27:06) Is there any truth to the rumour the previous business was forced out due to escalating rent? If so it’s a shame, decent little cafe that was

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - paul (30th Oct 2022 - 17:38:43) Hi, Good news there is some moment to these premises, a long time coming. If it is "another coffee shop" it is o.k.. It is part of our village area that is poorly supported of any community hub.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Mary W (7th Nov 2022 - 17:26:58) Thought someone said the old Countrywide site was going to become a cafe?

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - paul (7th Nov 2022 - 18:24:16) Hi, Thought someone said Liphook would become a vibrant community, with the ever growing residents...still waiting. Apathy rules in our village big time...

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Old resident (8th Nov 2022 - 10:16:23) Well it’s not too bad. Shops in station road , takeaways , cafes, pizza restaurant, country wise in the process of becoming a large bar restaurant and community centre. Three pubs, two very good coffee shops, a very good cinema, a large community centre with another cinema, couple of supermarkets, several other very good shops and several estate agents. Probably forgot a lot, but not bad for a small village.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - old git (8th Nov 2022 - 10:34:12) Shame we do not still have 2 butchers and 2 greengrocers for those that remember back a few years

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - passfield resident (8th Nov 2022 - 13:08:18) Paul-what exactly are you hoping for? A Premier League football team? Ski resort? Some pyramids?

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - paul (8th Nov 2022 - 13:32:05) Hi Passfield resident. The sign of a vibrant town or local village is the lack of signboards for retail premises to rent, or purchase. Sadly Liphook for many years has suffered from lack of investment both council, and enterprise.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Old resident (8th Nov 2022 - 13:47:50) Totally agree Paul remember some time ago the land of Canada way was supposed to be a retail park . Light industrial and shops with living accommodation above. EHDC in their wisdom allowed houses against public opinion so much for listening to our community.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (9th Nov 2022 - 12:36:03) I do not recall any plans for the Canada Way land being a retail park? There were plans for there to be various nursing homes on there but then I think EHDC bought the land instead and used half for an industrial estate and half went for houses. Unless you are going even further back to before Sainsburys was built.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Old resident (9th Nov 2022 - 15:30:35) When sainsburys was built that land was set aside for a retail park. Now whoever owned it probably sainsburys sat on it . Several plans were put forward but all got withdrawn. Blue harbour properties put forward a plan for a nursing home and doctors surgery with employees houses. They said they were ready to start straight away. EHDC fell for it hook line and sinker 5 years past not a brick laid they then had to reapply for the planning which they did. EHDC gave it with out a murmur within a month Wimpy applied for houses does something not smell good??.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (9th Nov 2022 - 17:20:53) Yes I agree as the councillor head of EHDC planning at that time - David Clark immediately retired after getting that through to the South of France it was very dodgy .

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - P Roberts (10th Nov 2022 - 12:30:04) Have just read the letters re Shankly's cafe which as usual degenerated into the usual mud slinging. Firstly we are not a small village, maybe a small town without the facilities and secondly Sainsbury was always going to get whatever they wanted and David Clark fought for the best that he could get for the village.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - B (10th Nov 2022 - 17:49:55) So, does anyone know if Liphook is getting another cafe?

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Old resident (10th Nov 2022 - 20:12:00) So the complete stitch up of the wimpys site at longmoor road lowsely park not getting the relief road that HCC recommended was a total cock up by EHDC. They only had to make them set aside the land for a road but the chairman insisted that it went through as it was with a enormous amount of decent from the liphook public in attendance complete and utter farce. I’m afraid EHDC need to get their act together.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - John (10th Nov 2022 - 22:35:46) Old resident are you VERY old? What has your rant got to do with this post concerning Shankly's??

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (11th Nov 2022 - 06:24:43) As I recall Sainsbury's were not the owners of the Canada way site they were invited to build their supermarket there by the EHDC council under certain conditions and only bought the site after the houses got permission EHDC could have done the road scheme better at that point. I had a conversation with David Clark councillor who instigated the scheme and he more or less said he did not care about any problems as he was moving to the south of France. It was back in the days when you did not have to declare your interests as a councillor his primary conflict of interest was that his limited company directorship was a local town planning business of his own. Obviously well placed to benefit when he was head of planning.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Old resident (11th Nov 2022 - 09:54:38) John just answering P Roberts about EHDC totally ignoring the liphook community when it comes to planning. Older resident is quite right I was at a planning meeting at penns place a very controversial application for liphook I over heard a conversation by a district councillor on the planning committee who lived in Havant saying that he never went to liphook so he didn’t care what happen to liphook. This is the attitude we get from EHDC about liphook. As for posting on this thread sorry but only replying to a post as for shanklys according to the liphook grapevine the new people are very nice and it’s going to be a very good place to go so the best of luck to them we need people like that in liphook.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - B (11th Nov 2022 - 15:10:46) How? How does a thread about the old Shakleys cafe go so wildly off topic and become a full blown rant about EHDC planning department

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - G (11th Nov 2022 - 16:36:59) Lot of bored people out there B. Cazza's is looking great from the outside - good luck to them! Can't wait for my first cuppa. I really really hope ruddy Swish Fibre have moved on from the pavement before they open

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (11th Nov 2022 - 17:48:32) B I think the main reason that posters go off topic is because they usually have an axe to grind, do not know all the facts and the ones they do know, they misinterpret. It is certainly the case on this Thread and in this instance it is EHDC who is on the receiving end. David Clark was a Liphook & Bramshott Parish and District Councillor and he may also have been a County Councillor, but of that I am not sure. He was a Liberal, very political and largely responsible for bringing politics into the then non political Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council. Consequently the Council became very divisive. He may well have been at one time the Chairman of EHDC's Planning Committee, but that does not make him head of planning. The Chief Planning Officer employed by EHDC is Head of Planning. David Clark alone could not have been responsible for as Older Resident stated "getting that through". David Clark did not then retire and go the South of France. He moved to Petersfield, was unsuccessful in his bid to become a Petersfield Councillor and then moved to the South of France. The people who moan and complain are usually the ones that do absolutely nothing for the community and but criticize those who do. I am not saying that EHDC should never be criticized but this is not the way to do it. This Thread is or was about Shankly’s. I realise that I am off top topic for which I apologise but after reading some of the rambling, inaccurate and badly written posts I felt I had to say something. I would add I do not have an axe to grind and people have every right to express opinions and voice concerns but do it when you are sure of the facts and not on highjacked Threads.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (12th Nov 2022 - 07:10:56) Penny, your posts always bring politics into them. You always staunchly defend EHDC councillors and talk about “ facts”. It is a “ fact” that I had the conversation with David Clark about Liphook, it is a “ fact” that he was chair of the EHDCs planning committee and would have at that time had probably more influence on planning decisions than he would now, due to the definite conflict of interests. You only have to think of the ludicrous situation recently of Rebecca Standish, an EHDC councillor who moved to Wiltshire and still remained a district councillor, because she did not disclose her change of address, to see how much they care about this local area. I pay a lot of money in council tax each month, and a proportion of that goes on paying the remunerations of EHDC councillors, who used to be entitled to claim under the local authority’s pension scheme ( not sure if they still are.) The original posting was to do with shops and facilities in Liphook, so I do think it relevant. Whether or not a posting contains poor grammar is an unnecessary comment.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (12th Nov 2022 - 10:22:28) Older Resident If you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I specifically said and I quote “ I am not saying that EHDC should never be criticized but this is not the way to do it.” As John said in response to Old Resident “What has your rant got to do with this post concerning Shankly's?” and I think that IMO the same question applies to you. Do you wonder that by hi-jacking this Thread in order to criticize EHDC some people think that you and Old Resident have very big axes to grind. Moving on you stated in your previous post that David Clark was Head of Planning and that is what I picked you up on. Head of Planning is quite different from Chairman of the Planning Committee. However In your latest post you do state that David Clark was Chair of EHDC's Planning Committee and do not refer to him as Head of Planning ie the Chief Planning Officer so perhaps you understand the difference now. You may well have spoken to David Clark and so have I many, many years ago. You were wrong when you said he went to the South of France after “getting it done”. He did not. As I said before he moved to France later after he moved to Petersfield and was unsuccessful in winning a seat in Petersfield. Lastly if you feel so strongly that EHDC is sadly lacking in so many respects why don't you and Old Resident stand in the local elections next year and try to make a difference.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - AF (12th Nov 2022 - 15:20:10) Amazing how things go off track on talkback. I was talking about Shankleys not EHDC planning decisions and conspiracies. So if i open a thread about EHDC planning do you think that will go off track and ill get an answer about Shankleys.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (12th Nov 2022 - 19:11:47) Very probably AF!

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - er (13th Nov 2022 - 12:00:48) Penny, surely the claim 'hijacking' the thread was a bit strong? I don't know the background of these previous planning disputes the way you and the others seem to, I found it interesting, even as I understood a lot of it is strongly disputed, I think we got a flavour of some of the past planning disputes and why no-one can ever seem to agree anything, when we can't even agree on what happened, who said what, who was who or what anyone's role was! The OP asked about a new coffee shop and the conversation moved (as anyone who knows Liphook will get) onto the glaring lack of facilities in Liphook over the years and there is obviously a feeling of let down there, whether those points were accurate or not is then part of the discussion and can be rebutted, like it or not, that is how conversation works, on a site called 'TALKBACK' We all understood that you disagreed and I can't tell you who was right or wrong, but it still doesn't make it hijacking the thread, unless Ed says so! Hijacking the thread, IMHO that's more things like posting completely spurious ads for Viagra! We see these sort of 'shut down' words and phrases more and more in debates especially online and yes a one liner rebuke can be effective. When anyone posts here we don't own the thread or get to dictate the direction of the conversation, it's not a classified ad or even 'our' thread! I wish more people would understand that and stop complaining about wandering replies, if you don't like it don't read it or else complain to Ed or your mum, we don't need to hear it! Not just you Penny, it's happened to me too on other threads from other people and I don't suppose it will ever stop, it's human nature, but needs pointing out. Thanks, rant over!

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Re (13th Nov 2022 - 12:32:10) Well here we go again Penny Williamson the person that seems to no best about everything. The amount of threads she has an opinion on that differs from other people amazing. But to accuse two posters that they don’t no what their talking about takes the biscuit. It seems the two posters are very old residents that no a lot about liphook probably far more than penny . They may have been councillors who can tell again perhaps penny is a councillor at EHDC the way she defends the planning committee. Perhaps that’s why liphook has very bad planning but that’s life.Have a nice day.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (14th Nov 2022 - 15:27:53) @er Perhaps you are right the word hijacking in this instance is a bit strong. I think a good compromise would be "deviating from the subject of the original post by people who possibly have a hidden Agenda." @Re Older Resident had his/her facts wrong. David Clark did not as she/he stated "David Clark immediately retired after getting that through to the South of France it was very dodgy." He moved to Petersfield, stood for the Council, was unsuccessful and subsequently moved to France. Obviously he was not immediately fleeing from Liphook and planning matters as Older Resident was implying because he moved to Petersfield and stood for Petersfield Council, ergo hoping to become a Petersfield Councillor. The fact that he was unsuccessful may have influenced his decision to move to France. I did not accuse anyone of not knowing what they were talking about. I said that Older Resident's statement regarding David Clark was inaccurate and wrong. I don't know how else you would like me to phrase it. In my experience people who get their facts wrong on one matter do it habitually. I don't know anything about Rebecca Standish but I would take everything Older Resident said about her with a very large dose of salt!

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Re (14th Nov 2022 - 16:50:21) Well penny you are splitting hairs . No smoke with out fire they say. About Rebecca Standish he was spot on so your statement of take with a pinch of salt I think applies as much to you. You seem to think you no everything about everything but quite often you are miles off .

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (14th Nov 2022 - 19:50:37) Not only is Penny splitting hair she is implying I am not telling the truth in all things about which I post on here, just because her version of history does not tally with mine. The original post mentioned lack of facilities in Liphook. That in part is due to EHDC and what they do or do not promote in terms of planning. It still is possible to own a property in the south of France and still be a local councillor. I do not have any “ axe to grind” I just think the local councillors should be above reproach and not accept freebies or benefit financially from developers. That was the point - David Clark personally owned an architects / planning consultancy locally. Anothet case in point I personally know is the free memberships at Old Thorns given to local EHDC councillors. I am glad they now have to be more transparent in who gives them bribes - oh sorry Penny “ gifts”.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - B (15th Nov 2022 - 08:22:05) AMAZING!! Now everyone is piling in on Penny! What’s Penny done apart from giving her opinion.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Re (15th Nov 2022 - 10:11:25) B the problem with penny is she jumps in on threads and makes out her options are the holy grail and everyone else don’t no what they’re talking about.. No problem with her having an opinion but other people do as well she must not tell others that they are not telling the truth because she doesn’t no other wise. She comes over just like the EHDC councillors who no best and not take any notice of the people of liphook.But that’s my opinion.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (15th Nov 2022 - 13:50:26) @Re You referred to the poster Older Resident who posted about Rebecca Standish as ‘he’. How do you know that Older Resident is a ‘he’? Perhaps you are a friend of his. Can you also point out to me on what subject have I been “miles off”. Incidentally “no” in the context in which you are using it is spelt “know”. @ Older Resident You are wrong about when David Clark moved to France. He had left Liphook and moved to Petersfield. He stood for Petersfield Council, was unsuccessful and then moved to France. I don’t know what part of that you don’t understand. You seem to be implying that he left for France when he lived in Liphook and was leaving because of dodgy planning matters. That was not the case. You can persist in stating otherwise but it does not change the fact. Another fact you have got wrong – Old Thorns do not give free membership to EHDC councillors. There is still a libel law operating in this country.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Re (15th Nov 2022 - 15:12:36) So sorry penny my grammar is not up to your standard. Back in the forty’s and fifty’s schooling was not up to your standard. As for old resident just again presumed not a shooting offence never even met him / her . You really are the limit.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Steve (15th Nov 2022 - 15:48:21) Well as entertaining as all this is (I think that Penny is ahead on points at the moment). I am inclined to agree with AF that it all has absolutely nothing to do with the future use of these premises! Maybe time to call a truce?

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (15th Nov 2022 - 16:15:50) Schooling in the forty's and fifty's was different I agree, but children were taught grammar, spelling, how to write legibly, basic maths and respect. I pointed out your mistake because I thought you would like to know - that is how people learn. I do sincerely apologise if I have caused offence. I can assure you none was intended

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Re (15th Nov 2022 - 16:49:30) Yes very entertaining a truce yes but I would rather a draw. I should have checked my grammar but with this new fangled equipment makes you lazy. I’m going for a much needed drink.😏❤️

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (15th Nov 2022 - 16:52:25) I think I have touched a raw nerve with Penny - I have no axe to grind except a dislike of wrongdoing. You are most welcome Penny to start a high court civil action for libel on behalf of unnamed EHDC councillors. I also may have proof of the free memberships - ( not currently given I might add) I may have worked at Old thorns, Penny did you think of that one? I am not making things up. Just because Penny does not personally know these things does not mean I am not being truthful.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Ian (15th Nov 2022 - 17:07:18) @Re, I’m not a great fan of Penny Knowitallmusthavelastword but she has a point, your grammar is appalling and makes your posts somewhat hard to follow. Grammar is important if you are looking to make and justify a point of view.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Scott (15th Nov 2022 - 19:49:34) A truly comical digression from the original post. Anyhow, is the new place up and running yet? I'm just trying to get back on topic.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Re (15th Nov 2022 - 20:30:54) O dear Ian I also have a problem following yours . But never mind us old country bumpkins can’t win with you intellectuals.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Older resident (15th Nov 2022 - 21:40:04) Oh my dear Penny- pontificating to others on grammar and spelling is never a good look ! “ Forty’s and fifty’s?” No it is spelt “ forties and fifties” It is important to correct others as you said, so check your own spelling dear.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Jen (15th Nov 2022 - 22:44:33) @Older Resident - to be fair to Penny, she was merely quoting from Re's post, albeit without using quotation marks. It was Re who wrote "forty’s and fifty’s".

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Penny Williamson (16th Nov 2022 - 13:09:13) @Older Resident No you haven't touched a raw nerve. However you have made a libelous statement. Old Thorns have never given free membership to EHDC councillors. I apologise for omitting to place inverted commas around "forty's and fifty's" but do so now.

Re: Old Shanklys cafe - Ann (16th Nov 2022 - 13:44:41) People need to get a life - all this bickering etc is so childish.

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