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Forthcoming election for District and County - Jock Trodden (24th Aug 2011 - 13:54:38) Having been privy to and victim of the recent skullduggery of the old Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council I decided to stand for the vacant role of District Councilor in the forthcoming election on 15th September in the hope that I could assist with the long overdue investigation of illegal activities perpetuated by certain members of the old regime resulting in Liphook taxpayers money being siphoned off by resolutions of the old Council and the ever litigious clerk. Now I have sight of the candidates I am heartened to see Michael Croucher and Eve Hope, both honest capable and reliable have put their good names forward. In view of this I have withdrawn my nomination and would use this media to encourage those of you who may have supported me to support Michael and Eve who are both at the heart of your community. I note John Tough has been nominated. Was he not one of the old Newman/Tough and Amey gang de-selected in May ? I understand another candidate, Bill Mouland is closely linked to both Ex Council Chairman Newman and the Clerk. He lives directly next door to John Tough. We need to get back to basics and get rid of the “old school” deals and incompetence which has cost this community dearly over the years. I am aware that B&LPC Councilor and retired solicitor Don Jerrard has been nominated as a candidate for the County Council election. He has done much already to straighten out the mess left by the previous Liphook administration and has more to do in that respect. I would urge you to support him in the County election. Jock Trodden The Justice & Anti Corruption Party.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - peter (24th Aug 2011 - 14:57:02) here we go again more mud slinging

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - dave (25th Aug 2011 - 22:03:33) peter. you may not be interested in the buisiness of local politics, or the hidden mismanagement and agenda of the previous parish council but i for one am. Did you know the new parish council refuse to sign off last years accounts, because there are some serious financial discrepancies therein and until these are fully investigated by the new incumbents the parishes accounts appear to be in limbo? As i understand it , the clerk is refusing to pass over documents (possibly incriminating) to a working party of new councilors investigating the matter when asked to do so. Has he something to hide? i saw him talking to ex council chairman newman on the longmoor road, recently. they appeard to be having a heated discussion with arms flying about. maybe theyre trying to get their story right? I further understand the clerk has been awarded in excess of £10,000 of tax payers money, we have the right to demand a full explanation of when this was paid and why. I understand a further sum in excess of £10,000 was paid out to solicitors working at the behest of the clerk. At the end of the day, this is our money which could be allocated to better deserving projects benefiting the village as a whole. I dont agree that reporting the truth whilst trying to keep ones self safe from the clerk and his cohorts is mudslinging. Why dont you go to the parish office and ask to see the accounts, before falsely accusing a well meaning resident of mudslinging.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - Katy (26th Aug 2011 - 08:53:37) Dave, Quote " i saw him talking to ex council chairman newman on the longmoor road, recently. they appeard to be having a heated discussion with arms flying about." Is that not mud slinging? Pot, kettle, black?

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - may (26th Aug 2011 - 09:26:22) Yes it is mudslinging, assumption and gossip,I dont think people will forget the outragious accusations that were made against Nigel Newman, ludercrus, it makes me wonder if the people making them are of sound mind, after the spectacle Jock Trodden made of himself the last time, does any one want to listen to his ramblings again, he would make you fall asleep with boredom

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - peter (26th Aug 2011 - 14:04:37) thankyou may it is mud slinging let the people of liphook make there on mind up who to vote for after reading the local rag this week i no were my vote is going {might start more mud slinging}R.I.P.SAM JAMES

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - may (26th Aug 2011 - 17:43:50) Peter I havent seen it, what is it about, or rather who?

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - john (28th Aug 2011 - 22:40:29) They dont like it dave but traps been sprung!

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - Phelim McIntyre (3rd Sep 2011 - 18:11:41) Jock - have just had a Liberal Democrat knock at the door and told him that I would not be daft enough to vote Lib Dem. I am not going to say who I am going to vote for and told him so so he stated that he would put me down as a Tory voter. If Mike Croucher and Eve Hope are so good why are there legitimate questions about the legality of the appointment they are celebrating? Why, when they knew Sam James was ill, did they make the "don't you wish you had voted for someone else" statement on their leaflet? Why in this leaflet, and the recent follow up did the wording suggest that it was the Lib Dems that got the play area in the Recreation Ground done? Why, when they agreed to the work and the need for more recreation areas to be built in the Bohunt Manor area are they now so worried when work is being carried out in line with the development of that area they both supported as Parish councilors and in the case of Eve Hope as a district councilor? When the chap at the door challenged me about the planning committee I asked him what would the Lib Dems then do to make the savings that the Coalition is forcing on local councils. He stated that the election leaflets gave that information. If so why can't I or others find any? Rather than real options all the Lib Dems (and the Don Quixote's of anti-corruption party who have thankfully withdrawn their nominations) have done is make statements that have upset people. I have heard a number of people stating that they voted for the Lib Dems in the Parish and Council elections and now wish that they had voted for someone else. I didn't vote for the Lib Dems as I remember that the last Lib Dem led council caused all the upset and pain by building the Millennium Centre (when it took their successors on the council ages to find out where money for the swimming pool raised by SPLASH and money for schools and youth projects disappeared to). It now looks that now the same chaos is ensuing.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - helen (4th Sep 2011 - 09:59:49) I do not wish to become inolved in mudslinging but have some comments to make. Parish council business is not really political in essence. There are at least 10 councillors who are not lib dem, so that issue is a non starter. My understandinging is that any kind of staff appointments are made by Parish Councillors, and the F and P committee agreed this as well as the full council. Where is the illegality? Who has told you appointing staff is "illegal?"Also Mr Newman stated that he would "Clear his name". How can he do this when I saw the evidence myself on the internet of his police bail sheet? He stood up in public and said he had never been arrested. NOT TRUE. This statement was made I believe in February this year, how long does it take to produce evidence to "Clear his Name"?

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - liz (4th Sep 2011 - 19:11:12) Phelim I think you are getting the various councils and their reponsibilities in a muddle! But then, any excuse for a bit of political mudslinging as the elections approach.....!

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - lily (5th Sep 2011 - 01:41:24) Helen, A bail sheet is not a conviction. Anyone can be arrested for anything. The fact that someone is arrested does not make them guilty of the accused offence. If the CPS decides to prosecute, they do so with the faith that they wil get a conviction. When someone is bailed, it is usually pending investigation. If the investigation proves to be fruitless, there is no case. Usually, the reason there is no case is because there is not enough/strong enough evidence to persue the case. One must go to COURT and found guilty to be convicted of any offence. A bail sheet, Im afraid, is not a conviction. It is, I believe, innocent, until PROVEN guilty.By a jury, not by biased on either side people.I am not aware that Mr Newman ever went to court. No trial, no case, so surely, if the criminal justice system came to this conclusion, then surely, shouldnt you?

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - lily (5th Sep 2011 - 01:50:41) Too add, Mr Newman shouldnt feel the need to clear his name. The very fact that he wasnt prosecuted should speak volumes in itself. Unless of course you doubt our Police force and our Crown Prosecution Service? I for one think they do a marvelous job. Surely they are not considered corrupt too?!

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - john (5th Sep 2011 - 08:19:37) I didnt think the bail sheet was the only issue concerning newman there are others . He stated in the herald he would clear his name were still waiting!

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - helen (5th Sep 2011 - 09:46:04) What does the phrase mean then" I have never been arrested" This was reported verbatim in the Herald. It was proved untrue. I have relatives as policemen I know the system.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - D. Advocate (5th Sep 2011 - 16:42:05) Lily, for your edification:- Most police forces in England enjoy a less than harmonious relationship with the CPS. The CPS are consumed with political correctness and will not fund police prosecutions unless they are cast iron sure of a conviction, or are equally convinced that a prosecution will not result a counter suit based on allegations of discrimination (race, religion, sex, etc) If you doubt the veracity of the above and would like to know more; ask a policeman

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - lily (9th Sep 2011 - 17:20:58) Then I can only assume the CPS was not confident in getting a "Cast Iron" conviction, which is what I actually said. Yes you are right, the CPS do decide when to prosecute, the Police are case and evidence gatherers, so surely they couldnt have presented enough evidence to the CPS for them to prosecute. If he was arrested and said he wasnt then, of course he shouldnt have said that. The fact is being arrested does not make one quilty. No conviction. Not Guilty. I rest my case!

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - john (10th Sep 2011 - 14:56:23) Newman was asked HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENCE HE REPLYED NO, LIE SIMPLE.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - lily (10th Sep 2011 - 22:51:59) But what is it to do with anyone if he was arrested anyway? Charged and convicted yes, but arrested, no. Is it difficult to understand that being arrested does not make a person a criminal? A CONVICTION makes a person a criminal. I am fed up with having to repeat myself. I have not said he should have answered "NO", foolish of him to do that maybe... The FACT is he is NOT a criminal, so why all the fuss?It seems to me that some people would LIKE him to be a criminal,tut tut.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - Chris (11th Sep 2011 - 07:55:39) Quote " i saw him talking to ex council chairman newman on the longmoor road, recently. they appeard to be having a heated discussion with arms flying about." Is that not mud slinging? Pot, kettle, black? I would say that this is OBSERVATION - not mud slinging.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - helen (11th Sep 2011 - 10:06:28) It is semantics to argue the extent of Mr Newman's past. The fact that his past involved anything like this should have precluded him from thinking he should even stand as a councillor representing Liphook, let alone accepted the job as Chairman. Our councillors should not have anything which could be levelled at them, and if the details of the thuggery can be verified by witnesses what does that say about him? You have said lily in previous posts that his public service record is exemplary on out behalf so I expect he is still continuing his good works in the community, I look forward to hearing about what he is doing now in those terms.

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - Dawn Hoskins (11th Sep 2011 - 11:43:38) Please! Stop this. It serves no purpose whatsoever. Go and dig the garden or something!

Re: Forthcoming election for District and County - lily (11th Sep 2011 - 11:44:16) He hasnt got a "past", has he? Oh yes I forgot that there are some people think "arrested" means "convicted" I have no idea what he is doing for the community now, I dont spend every minute of my day worrying about what he, or anyone else is doing for us. The Newman-gate is old old news now. Its a bit pathetic to keep droning on about him all the time. Has it really had that much of a big impact on your lives in general?I actually find it amusing that some people are so consumed with all this PC stuff. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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