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Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (7th Aug 2011 - 11:46:46)
On a previous thread I asked where residents views could be sent to the Steering Group and all we got was that some pitiful forms were being distributed at odd events - not good enough!
So, Steering Group, are you making a note of what loads of local residents have been saying on Talkback over just the last month? Will you be adding this to the Likes/Dislikes of our community?
Here\'s a summary from Talkback and the Herald over just the past few weeks:
Residents get concerned about the thought of either large scale development or development that impacts on road use within the village. Devils Lane, Bohunt Manor and Bramshott being just 3 examples. How will that be address in the Plan?
Activities for youths and teens and just not being met! There\'s been complaints about massive parties, drink and drugs, yobs on playparks, requests for skate parks. They are not bad people - they are at an awkward age and bored! How come Liphook has a brand new playpark, loads of toddler groups, brownies, cubs etc. What help can we give the 15-21 year olds?
Traffic congestion is another concern - lots of praise for the A3 Tunnel yet Liphook is likely to still be the target for traffic for Haslemere (combined with the threat of housing estates and additional traffic). What plans are there to route traffic away from Liphook centre? Anyone brave enough to suggest connecting London Road and Haslemere Road?
Who thinks we have a good range of shops in Liphook? I don\'t! Lost count of the number of estate agents, hairdressers and take-aways. There\'s a few really good independent shops otherwise Sainsbury\'s has the monopoly. What about a good butcher, deli, shoe shop, independent toy shop (great one in Haslemere), health food, more cafes, tourist shop ...,
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- dave mcgrath (7th Aug 2011 - 15:52:12)
well said! all of these issues need addressing!
Does anyone know anything about the rumour, a former local nursing home owner buying the green dragon public house, he has already bought some property in the london road (i have heard) what is his agenda? How will this affect the village plan?
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Daisy Brown Number Twenty Six (7th Aug 2011 - 21:40:16)
We @ Number Twenty Six have tried to set a service where you can order meat from the tea shop and it has been very slow in taking off, we sell local Jam, Honey, ice cream and fresh veg and as I said people still seem to shop at Sainsburys. It would be great if people shopped at the local shops rather then at the major stores, we are facing very hard times and it would be much nicer to buy local, we at Number 26 do not charge people to sell there home produce at our shops we are just trying to support the small businesses.
If anyone is interested in advertising or selling any arts and crafts or produce in our shop please pop in and see us. 01428 729 143
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Bdavies (8th Aug 2011 - 10:05:14)
I hope the agenda is not yet another nursing home. The former OSU land opposite Sainsburies is already earmarked for a nursing home and this, of course, should have been used for new business opportunities that benefit us all. We have been thoroughly short changed in terms of choice of what our community is going to receive; more housing, more nursing homes, more unwanted thru traffic, no more infratstructure/shops. Disgraceful!
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (8th Aug 2011 - 10:38:30)
Anyone know what plans there are for the site opposite the Green Dragon down the London Road. The model shop as been boarded for ages, there's some quaint old buildings around the back and it's all looking a bit tired. Maybe some developer is hoping to buy them all up and revamp the whole corner. Same for the Green Dragon - we don't know what's happening until the planning applications go in!
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Simon Cooper (8th Aug 2011 - 10:40:53)
Dear Rosie,
Thank you for your challenge.
Contact; Robin Young, Chairman, robin.young11@btinternet.com
I’m sorry you believe the forms are pitiful and insufficient. I’ll take the criticism on the chin on behalf of the volunteers. Some folk have been pleased to have the opportunity to complete them; often those who are less than able to get online for example. We also have compiled some useful data, which I would be pleased to show you personally should you wish. I think some, if not all your issues may have been already noted in some form.
Yes of course we expect to take views on Talkback into account. They are often not quite as coherent as yours.
However, I suspect a road driven through Radford Park, the Rec, or between library and Methodist Church to link Haslemere and London Roads may stir up a hornets nest, again.
Robin Young and I would like to invite you to discuss all your views with us whenever would be convenient. My challenge to you now though is to help us actively with our task. Are you willing to volunteer?
Simon
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (8th Aug 2011 - 10:50:58)
Well done Daisy!
Fantastic business initiative especially since you're helping other businesses. I saw the jars of honey but didn't realise we could order meat through you - I'll be in very soon to place an order. A big disadvantage for many small shops in Liphook is that the majority of people have become car-orientated. Parking their cars as close as possible to where they want to get, which is why Sainsbury's is so successful. Maybe if there were better parking facilities between London Road and Haslemere Road (the back of the shops) you all might get a few more customers.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- liz (8th Aug 2011 - 10:58:55)
Simon
Are the forms available on line?
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- helen (8th Aug 2011 - 12:39:11)
It would be difficult to put a new road in there as there are too many private residences you cannot now just tell people to move, even the highways agency did no compulsory purchase of property for the hindhead tunnel they worked around it, in the middle of a conservation area it would be difficult! When plans are put forward by private developers they are then considered on their own merit not whether it would be nice to have a butcher, there was one in liphook which could not compete against sainsburys and closed down. Who wants to run a loss making shop? no one.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- liz (8th Aug 2011 - 12:58:22)
They assumed they could not compete against Sainsburys and closed before the supermarket opened if I remember correctly (Not guaranteed!)
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (8th Aug 2011 - 14:22:27)
Haslemere has two large supermarkets yet it is an extremely successful market town with loads of small, diverse shops. Perhaps we can learn lessons from them. In addition I understood that the business initiative section of the Local Plan might be able to encourage different businesses to the area. We are after all on the borders of the South Downs National Park and with far easier access from the A3 than Haslemere. It depends whether residents are prepared to fight to stay as we are now or firmly give planners our views on how Liphook can grow in a quality way which should enhance our lives.
Remember this government is looking for 'growth and development' so developers are going to have a field day soon. Personally I would rather be on the attack so developers know the sort of environment we want rather than forever being on the defensive and trying to block their plans which generally only have profit at the top of their wish list!
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- helen (8th Aug 2011 - 15:21:37)
I agree Haslemere has more upmarket shops but Liphook has had quite a few shops and businesses pull out over the years, including the small bakers shop which was an offshoot of the one in Haslemere. Also people now spend money on internet shopping, it is far more cost effective to sell on line rather than pay high st rents and rates for premises! We also have empy office space, so that office workers will not be in shops spending money
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Simon Cooper (8th Aug 2011 - 17:31:03)
liz,
I can certainly find you one to send to you by email. Please email me at simon.cooper110@btopenworld.com
Should you find other friends and neighbours wishing to do fill them in, all responses gratefully received.
We are working at getting a fully functioning website and having it up there, plus other stuff.
Thanks for asking and look forward to hearing from you.
Simon
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (8th Aug 2011 - 21:39:19)
Simon
Sorry if my comments sounded a bit harsh, but thanks for your patient reply. For the benefit of others reading this lot - what exactly does volunteering for the Local Plan involve?
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Simon Cooper (9th Aug 2011 - 11:16:10)
Rosie,
There are many ways one can lend support to the plan. Either Robin or I would be delighted to discuss opportunities with you or anyone else for that matter. The more folk involved the better.
Please send me an e-mail to simon.cooper110@btopenworld.com with a telephone number and a good time to catch you. I am sure we can agree on something.
Simon
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Dawn Hoskins (15th Aug 2011 - 22:07:50)
As one of the many volunteers who have hung about at most of the local village events trying to raise awareness of the plan, it is very sad that so many people don't know what it is.
I do hope that those of you who have expressed an opinion about what you would like to see in the village will come forward to offer your help.
It is all well and good typing in front of your screen, but we need more feet on the ground to get the word out.
We also need Positive input. Lots of people are quite clear about what they don't want - but can't tell you what they would like in the alternative.
Also, you all need to bear in mind that this is not the general government plan; a County plan or District plan. It is the Parish plan - so matters occurring in Haslemere are not so relevant (unless you are campaigning for something similar of course).
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Simon Cooper (16th Aug 2011 - 08:48:08)
Dawn,
Thank you for reinforcing the message about the plan. Some folk just dont go to the places where we stood and canvassed, so the screen is a good way to communicate.
Yes we would like more support though !
I am sure some will take issue with you. For business in Liphook, what happens in Haslemere is important from a competitive point of view. Understanding what is happening there could easily affect our local traders. Marketing strategy can prove vital. We have LBI and LiDBA, they have an active Chamber of Commerce in Haslemere.
It would be great if more local support could be given to Lee Stewart who is not only a leading member of LBI but also working hard to lead the Business Team for our Parish Plan.
simon.cooper110@btopenworld.com for all offers of support !
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Bdavies (16th Aug 2011 - 09:04:52)
I still would like to know why the area of ex-OSU land was allowed to become (eventually) yet another care home? No-where, ever, did anyone have a say in that apart from EHDC and the landowners/builders who will profit from it. Why on earth can we not appeal for a re-think and insist the decision is reversed and the land made available for building more retail/shopping units? With the government driver being growth and new business we have the perfect opportunity to change this ridiculous decision.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (16th Aug 2011 - 18:51:58)
On the front page of the Liphook Herald there is an article titled "CPRE: Villages at risk". It suggests that residents could log on to www.bit.ly/p1FbsC but this takes you to the CPRE press release page so you have to scroll down to find the website listed and it is just a pre-written letter to your local MP.
I suggest that residents log on to www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/draftframework which brings up the Draft Framework which WILL AFFECT US ALL! There are obviously a lot of pages but if you have time please look at Local Plans at least and see how important it is for everyone to have their say in our Local Plan. Plus write off to our MP and voice any concerns about relaxation of planning laws.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Russ& Irene Ellis (16th Aug 2011 - 22:59:34)
For all of you that seem to be so ill informed on the OSU site the last pocket of land that you are on about was originally ear marked for retail and light industrial by the Parish council as it was the last piece of brown field land in Liphook. Sainsbury sold this piece of land to an unknown company. There have been 3 applications on this site by developers. The first one was for all housing which was refused by Parish & EHDC. It went to appeal and luckily for us at that time the King Georges hospital site which was also brown field had been passed for housing so the government minister said we must keep this OSU site for retail and light industry for job opportunities. Then the Parish Council received another application this time for retail units with living accommodation above on Canada Way facing the green with small industrial units behind and car parking. Perfect. The Parish Council passed it but before it came up at EHDC it was withdrawn ???????? The 3rd and current one of nursing home and housing was strongly refused by both the Parish and District Council but the developers appealed. The appeal was heard over 4 days in the Millennium Hall and I sat through all of it and was the only resident there to oppose it despite there being lots of publicity in the press. Sadly this was before talkback. Consequently the planning application was granted by the then labour minister saying the land had been unused for to long. Just what the developer was waiting for. Change of use from brown field to green (housing) The Parish Council and I were gutted but without a strong local support we were on a looser. They have now sat on it for 3 years and the application came up for renewal at the beginning of this year which again was well publicised and once again I was the only one to object and asked for it to be return to a brown field site. So without any local parishioners support the council were defeated and it was renewed. The next application the developers will summit will be for all housing as a nursing home is not viable in this economic climate. The developers know all the tricks and will always win unless we all get up off or bums and attend meetings on mass and support our council. It is no good just writing on talk back about problems in Liphook.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Russ Ellis (17th Aug 2011 - 16:38:19)
For those that are interested in planning matters ie OSU site there is a planning meeting on Monday 22nd. Go along and ask questions.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Editor (18th Aug 2011 - 10:23:15)
I have now received a printed copy of the 'Vision for Liphook" survey.
I have translated this into an online form that you can all simply fill in and submit to the Liphook Plan team (there is no connection with liphook.co.uk)
You do not need to complete the personal data at the end of the form unless you wish them to reply to you.
Vision for Liphook
Alan
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Bdavies (18th Aug 2011 - 10:44:34)
It is not a matter of being ill informed, more a matter of the initial clandestine groping around and subterfuge followed by the protracted process of refusal and appeal refusal and appeal. This mind-numbing burocracy usually sees the community as the looser and the developers and landowners as the winners as they seek to put in schemes that suit and benefit them first and foremost. The plans all received plenty of opposition on the EHDC website so why are we still being lumbered with more housing and a nursing home?
I think that both EHDC and our Parish Council should be more actively challenging this ruling of a now defunct Labour administration and just organising proper use for the OSU site.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Simon Cooper (23rd Aug 2011 - 11:09:32)
Dear Bdavies,
You make a valid and apposite point. Often the local resident is the loser in these planning games.
Developers know and local planning authorities know too, that the local is easily treated as a nimby and professional cases often succeed in the long term.
If only more folk who felt as aggrieved as you would actually do more than just complain. Our community needs people who are prepared to stand up and be counted.
Some lips may curl, but the Parish Plan is an opportunity to create a local lobby to counter these planning aggressors more effectively. We need all your active support.
Join us !
Simon
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (23rd Aug 2011 - 22:11:34)
Wake up residents of Liphook!
You're worried about a couple of developments around Liphook? I've been scanning through the government's new planning and building framework and here's a few things to consider:
"At the heart of the planning system is a presumption in favour of sustainable development"
"Local councils should grant permission where the plan is absent, silent, indeterminate or where relevant policies are out of date"
".... is pro-growth for both urban and rural areas"
On a small glimmer of hope ....
"Policy objectives include handing power back to local communities to decide what is right for them... "
This plan IS important for Liphook otherwise we'll have massive inappropriate development just because we didn't bother to get involved. Put my name down as a volunteer Simon I'll be sending my contact details.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Councillor Barbara Easton (24th Aug 2011 - 09:45:25)
There is a conultation open at the moment online only I am afraid, it is called the Draft National Planning Policy Framework: Consultation there is 32 pages to read before you can comment, it is available on the website www.communities.gov.uk phone number 030 34440000
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Bdavies (24th Aug 2011 - 11:18:11)
The community did receive and complete a survey some time back. This is still a valid representation of the views of local people and should be referred to in case there is any doubt about what Liphook needs/wants.
Simon, no amount of new plans or old surveys will help us if our elected representatives are not vigorously backing the findings. Liphook does not need or want another nursing home (nor did it need or want more housing at the Silent Garden) so fight it and keep fighting it. When we see our elected representatives both local and district going in there and winning battles instead of crumbling at the first overruling of some distant labour polititian then this may be our long awaited inspiration.
I have written and spoke to EHDC many times about the due diligence of the infrastructure review process and some bad planning decisions. As you say, the more people that get on their backs the better.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Rosie (24th Aug 2011 - 12:12:50)
Whether you like the idea or not Liphook is going to expand.
This country has an ageing population (we\'ll all get there eventually). It is a fact of demographics within the country! Planning needs to address the needs of ALL sections of our community.
There is a demand for single occupancy housing.
There is a demand for affordable housing and the only way developers are going to put that in is to allow them to build other houses. (Is it 10 affordable houses for every 30 standard houses?)
We need businesses to employ people, including the youngsters who leave schools and universities every July!
Estate agents say demand is for upmarket properties - so what is better for our environment? A few monied families taking up land or meeting the needs of young low-income families?
I\'m sorry if this upsets many of you but these ARE the arguments that developers are continually putting forward and they are valid.
However we are surrounded by beautiful countryside and unique rural communities and environments. So maybe we do need to look carefully at Liphook as a whole to sacrifice some areas which already exist within the environment and try and keep a quality atmosphere for all sections of our community.
One thing that personally I think ought to be addressed before anything else is for goodness sake think about our roads and infrastructure first! Rural communities warning though - the developers answer will be road widening thus destroying the peace and tranquility which attracts tourism to this area.
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- Simon Cooper (24th Aug 2011 - 13:35:54)
Rosie,
I very much look forward to welcoming you to the team. Thank for stepping forward.
Please send me an email simon.cooper110@btopenworld.com
Bdavies,
You are quite right that new plans will not work unless they receive proper support. I am offering you the opportunity to join with people of like mind. With plans created by people of vision and determination, we can “sell” the ideas, give our elected representatives something they can use, win their support and succeed.
If writing letters is not enough, what do you have in mind?
You sound as though you have the spirit. Will you help us?
Simon
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Re: Local Plan - Residents Views
- liz (24th Aug 2011 - 15:09:49)
Yes we do need more affordable housing but not just as a sideline to developers' larger schemes. I have seen a number of large houses being built as 'infil' in the village recently - surely these types of schemes should be 'affordable ' or not at all. We do not need major developments of large houses at least for the next few years as Liphook has had more than its fair share of large developments recently which have overwhelmed its infrastructure. It is the infrastructure needs which must be addressed first.
There is still room for growth without encroaching on our newly designated National Park and otherwise spoiling the beauty of the area. It needs thoughtful joined planning with the support of the local community.
When the Sainsbury's development was first proposed literally hundreds of people turned up at Bohunt School to put forward their ideas and some of them were excellent - far better than the muddle we ended up with. This was just all PR whitewash by Sainsburys of course and totally ignored. Perhaps this sort of enthusiasm can be brought back - I just think the village plan needs more publicity.
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