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Local Teens. - A. Ryan (28th Jul 2011 - 08:40:41) Can we have a thread that say's something nice about our teens? Not all of you can not be against them, surely?

Re: Local Teens. - Vicki M (28th Jul 2011 - 09:10:01) I was reading the previous thread(s) about the 'rave' and 'riots' in Liphook recently and can't help but think that this all getting out of hand yet again. I think our teens are fab! I am a Mum of a teen who is well rounded, polite and law-abiding (even if I say so myself) as are most of her male and female friends. OK there is always going to be an exception to the rule and some are more of a handful than others. There is very little for them to do in the village if they are not interested in the local youth club or football etc. The next alternative is the Rec or public transport out of the village. Perhaps we need to get together as a village and look at what the guys need and get them somewhere to socialise that suits everybody. We pride ourselves, as adults, in being in tune with what they need, but are we? We certainly seem to enjoy telling them when we disapprove. I agree we need some positive action here and I would think that the Bohunt team, as a school/community centre might be able to advise if we pull together as a Community - young and old! There has to be a way to work through this after all it could benefit all generations! Not sure if this page is still up to date Liphook Youth Club but might be a good starting point for contacts.

Re: Local Teens. - helen (28th Jul 2011 - 09:16:13) I am sure no one hates teenagers, only bad behaviour and adults are capable of that too! In my opinion selfish teenagers usually grow out of that stage and grow into good responsible adults, but the responsibility is ours to ensure that teenager grow into unselfish caring adults, and by caring, I mean realising the impact of their actions on other people.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (28th Jul 2011 - 11:32:40) I think we are missing the point to this thread,so I shall start. My son plays football for Grayshott.and now he has left school he works for his Dad, till starting college in September. Many of you will have seen my daughters singing and dancing, at the Haslemere Hall, in productions,my youngest winning Haslemere's Got Talent in 2010. Both have just got distinctions in singing exams. We are awaiting the results of an Intermediate ballet exam my youngest took at the RAD in London a month ago. She is only 12 so is very young to take it.Both girls danced in the Millennium Hall a few weeks ago , and performed to the locals at the fete Lets hear some good stories about our kids.!!

Re: Local Teens. - Vicki M (28th Jul 2011 - 12:15:52) Sorry if you feel we have misunderstood the thread! My intention was to try and help our fantastic teens by suggesting we ask them what they would like! I have no problem with them letting off steam we all do in our own way. I thought it would be a positive thing for them if they can prove the 'grumps' wrong and show the village how great they actually are! My kids are involved in the Liphook United Football team, Stagecoach Drama and other local groups. Both went through Beaver, Rainbows, Brownies and Guides and have tried really hard at all they do - win or lose! The adults who run all these are amazing and really care about what they do. I am actually being quite positive about teens (and my pre-teen)!

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (28th Jul 2011 - 12:30:17) Vicki, Seems like our kids have something in common. I totally agree with your previous thread. Any more great kids achievements ?

Re: Local Teens. - steve wilson (28th Jul 2011 - 15:05:02) when we were kids we never had half what they have now !!! they just get too much at home so want more & more !!!

Re: Local Teens. - helen (28th Jul 2011 - 16:06:13) When I was young nothing was provided I came from a poor family so did not have any extra curricular activities on offer, in fact I had part time employment from the age of 10. I do not have anything against teenagers, and examples given of the extra things they enjoy doing after school is all fine, it would be good to have examples of where they help others, eg help elderly with shopping etc.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (28th Jul 2011 - 18:51:49) OOOhhhh dear ,he we go again !! That is not the kid's fault, but the way society has moved on. I too had a part time job when I was young. Getting up at 4.00am in the morning and cycling to Godalming ( from Milford, not Liphook ) to clean the what was then bingo hall and picture house. I expect people of the generation before, thought I had it easy. Mind you I did get in to the Saturday morning pictures free, to see Flash Gordon etc. Is that not what progress is about, making life better for the up and coming generation ?

Re: Local Teens. - Marian C (29th Jul 2011 - 08:10:19) Re young people working - with two teens of my own who have always been very keen to work, they are now "protected" by law which lays down very strict criteria on how many hours they can do and when those hours can be depending on age. Most employers they have approached need them to have a national insurance number which they do not get until just before they turn 16. Added to this most employers have to have public liability insurances and say that this does not cover employees under the age of 16. Other than babysitting (not necessarily regular employment) or paper rounds there are not a lot of jobs that anyone under the age of 16 can do these days. And now the Government want to let 14 year old children leave school - how is that going to work then ?

Re: Local Teens. - Finchie (29th Jul 2011 - 10:11:47) Back to the point of the thread...Just want to big up the Liphook massive ! (cue groans from my teens - "Oh Dad you're so embarrassing and you speak a weird language"!). So I can say that without exception, every single kid and teen I've met locally is polite, fun, helpful, intelligent, happy to engage in conversation etc. etc. And to divert from the point of this thread - but kind of relevant...The local "rave". I find it depends which side of the fence I'm on. If I am part of the party - Rock On. If I'm not part of the party and kept awake, I get very very grumpy ! Not surprisingly. IMHO, we can do loads to avoid aggro, and apply a bit of common sense. While I am probably not the best candidate for Minister of Common Sense, just throwing a few thoughts out there: - midnight is a reasonable cut-off - noise after this I would say is not reasonable - be polite when approaching neighbours to ask for music to be turned down - if it is after midnight and you are asked - actually turn down the music and don't be grumpy about it. - don't hold it against anyone if they are not aware it is midnight, I know it is very easy to loose track of time when having fun, the last thing I'll be looking at is my watch, so I'd be happy with a gentle reminder about the time - pre-warn and invite the neighbours, you never know you might get on ! - if midnight is too late for you, ear plugs work ! If this contravenes any guidelines from "Big Brother", councils etc. etc. Unlucky ! A very Happy Weekend PS I'm available for invites to any good parties going on ! Cheers, Finchie Would have to be a 'bring a lot of bottles' party if anyone was going to invite you !

Re: Local Teens. - steve wilson (31st Jul 2011 - 22:51:46) You say your kids are good kids!!!! Age 12/14 Here is an other thing tonight Sunday 31st July 10.05pm Your lovely kids on the London road throwing eggs & things at cars as they drive past Is it your kid i saw well!!! Black bike black hoody dark short hair with glasses with 3 other boys 2 on bikes 1 on foot !!! One of the other boys was on a white bike & the boy on foot also had a dark hoody on

Re: Local Teens. - helen (1st Aug 2011 - 08:55:38) I still have not had a parent come on here and give examples of unselfish behaviour- lots of extra curricular fun stuff what about VSO etc? there must be some young people who are helping out in poor countries. l am not implying that all children are bad either. Surely at school at least there must be some classes which include voluntary work? I remember at school when we were about 15 we were obliged to do voluntary work for about 2 hours a week. Visiting homes for the elderly etc.

Re: Local Teens. - mark (2nd Aug 2011 - 01:12:45) Seriously When is the UK going to leagalise cannabis, The ammount of people i see doing it around liphook like its a normal everyday thing. To be honest i see more harm in teen's drinking alcohol then smoking abit of green.

Re: Local Teens. - David (2nd Aug 2011 - 08:52:33) That is how Amy Winehouse started!

Re: Local Teens. - may (2nd Aug 2011 - 20:00:32) Steve did you recognize those kids

Re: Local Teens. - LisaL (4th Aug 2011 - 21:49:17) This issue has developed in Liphook because there is continual building of new houses but no facilities which are required for the number of children now in the village. We have as many children in the village now as some of the nearby towns that have leisure complexes/coffee shops/bowling/cinemas......why the heck dont the council vote to build a complex on the waste bit of land that is currently serving as a 'rent-free' pony field!!!!!

Re: Local Teens. - helen (5th Aug 2011 - 00:37:48) The council do not own the land a developer has already had plans passed for a nursing home I believe but would have to check the planning website to be 100 per cent accurate.

Re: Local Teens. - Red (5th Aug 2011 - 01:58:02) Mark, You make an interesting point on the use of "green", as you refer to it. But why not include stronger stimulants such as heroin, cocaine, et al? The argument that everybody is "doing it" as a justification of your opinion is not, in my humble opinion, well considered. Lots of people steal, but does that mean that we should turn a blind eye to it because it is a popular repast with those who do? Narcotics are the bane of civilised society. Most crime is motivated by the desire to sell or buy; muggings, burglaries, assaults and murder are the currency of the drug culture/use. All governments of all persuasions have, since the 1960s, recognised the enormity of the social problem associated with narcotic use - and all have walked away from addressing it responsibly. I imagine because there are no votes to be gained other than if they state a policy of non-tolerance and prosecution of users, first, and suppliers second when we find them! The bottom line, despite today's headlines, is the struggle to deal with the supplier at any level. You can buy outside school gates, pubs, car parks, from ice cream vans or from friends. How on earth can that be controlled by any government agency? What you cannot do is purchase or acquire drugs for less than a significant amount of money. That is the motivation for dealers to be in business. What if, in a society, that recognised that if you removed the market for the dealers by supplying, in controlled circumstances, dependents for free at government approved sources (Lloyds, Boots, etc), would that have an impact on the said social problems associated,ie, theft, muggings, burglaries, etc. I do not know. But I do know that no government will ever have the courage to attempt

Re: Local Teens. - Mark (5th Aug 2011 - 13:08:49) You do have a point, Crime rate would be significantly lower if it was legalised in a controlled state. The first person to actually try and stand up and talk about benefits of smoking Cannabis was Professor David Nutt, who stated "Cannabis is less harmful then tobacco and alcohol", shortly after he advised the prime minister, which was Gordon Brown at the time, He did not listen to the advise and quickly made cannabis class b drug, obviously if it was put into a controlled legalisation it would only be available to a certain age such as 21 or something.

Re: Local Teens. - drug free (5th Aug 2011 - 14:49:14) Reading this thread I wonder WHY do they need drugs to enjoy life ? If they need them to have a good time then their friends must be a boring bunch and unimaginative lot if they cannot make themselves happy / HAVE FUN TIMES / ENJOY LIFE without drugs. It's as if it is becoming a fashion thing to be seen taking part. I have never taken or will take them and I have a very enjoyable life fun / happy with out the need of artificial stimulants. They are harmful and un-neccessary . IF you start to legalise them where do you stop ???? crack, crystal meth - come on people you have brains use them don't waste them.

Re: Local Teens. - Eb (5th Aug 2011 - 15:23:02) Legalise it then what will that lead to maybe trying something that is illegal and even more harmful. I had a child that got involved in it all and what a hellish 12/18 months we had with the lies and stealing, stealing money to buy it not a good example for the younger siblings, if it was legal he would have still stolen as he would have still needed the money to pay for it. On the plus side he came through it and has made me a proud mother!

Re: Local Teens. - steve wilson (6th Aug 2011 - 00:21:59) Yes i can see the boys in my head if i see them god help them im not like this but my gran in her 80's on the london road is having eggs ect thown at the house so it's time 2 take in my own hands !!!! will not put up with this no more !!! & the people leaving the dragon at 2am + need sorting out as well !!!!!!

Re: Local Teens. - S.M. (6th Aug 2011 - 15:33:01) Before you take things into your own hands have you tried contacting the police? Take pictures if you can too. They did act quickly and descretely when I had a complaint about stuff before.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (9th Aug 2011 - 10:22:51) Hi, I'd just like to say that im one of the teenagers in Liphook, and to be completely honest, we get a really hard time from people with there extreme misconceptions of us. I mean bad things happen in Liphook, like our party getting shut down, but that was just one thing. And even if there were more things, i dont think its right blaming the whole of the teenage population, as its the minority putting the majority down. Most of us get judged as being yobs, because of media influences, such as the news right now with the rioting. If you come up and talk to us, im sure we wont give you a hard time, most of us are polite and kind people, we just act a bit hidden away in public, because of these posts, saying how horrible we are, and how everything is our fault. And i know most of the Liphook teenage population, and i know not a single person who would want to hurt or break, or do anything against the law. So could you please stop giving us such a hard time on this forum? It'd be nice not to get a reply written by some "grumpy old man" :P

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (9th Aug 2011 - 23:14:32) hello again! I also forgot to say, there is sod all to do in liphook. Like a new guy moved into liphook yesterday, and came to the skate park to meet people, and he said \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"what is there to do in liphook\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" are instant awnser was, there is a train station of which can be used to get to towns, otherwise bugger all. There needs to be a new skate park and other bits and bobs. All we do is sit on the bench at the skate park and talk about stuff which eventually gets mind numbingly boring.... There is plenty of adult entertainment such as that lovely bowls ground and the 2 luxurious golf courses... And bowls arent to fun to watch... So yep.. Anyways enough of my galavanting... I just typed that all on a mobile phone and my hands r about to drop off, toodle pip

Re: Local Teens. - steve wilson (9th Aug 2011 - 23:35:36) dont have to be grumpy if you guys played the game a few drinks & it starts !!!! open your eyes & you will see whats going on !!!!

Re: Local Teens. - liz (10th Aug 2011 - 08:42:27) It seems some teenagers have loads of initiative (see latter part of the 'skate park' thread) and some just winge and feel sorry for themselves.

Re: Local Teens. - John (10th Aug 2011 - 08:45:24) Yep all the youngsters around liphook are so well behaved that every Friday and Saturday night i have to call the old bill to sort out the bunch of young divs that are hanging around screaming and kicking bins over at 1 in the morning right outside my house. Also had my motorcycle stollen a few weeks ago and it was found just down the road as the idiot who stole it couldnt get it started. The old bill never come out when you call them, they are useless for that. By the way im not a miserable old man, im 24 and my girlfriend is 6 months pregnant so excuse me for not praising the local youths!

Re: Local Teens. - helen (10th Aug 2011 - 09:54:25) Hi I hate bowls too and I am old so apart from golf which I do not play there is not much for me to do either but the cost of putting in facilities has to come from the adults who are paying their council tax, and the tax has to cover a full range of facilities, not least of which is making sure the elderly are properly looked after. I do not know if you work or not but there are things you can do with your friends which do not involve hanging around on a park bench surely? What about learning a sport eg cricket, football etc?

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (10th Aug 2011 - 10:37:23) We have no interest in sport, years ago i gave up my time along with luke cave, to get the skate park "re vamped". Seems like it was a waste of our time. And yes, if we are going to be labelled as yobs, then you can only expect a label back. its only fair play.

Re: Local Teens. - liz (10th Aug 2011 - 11:11:35) What needs doing to the skate park and has anyone looked at the cost?

Re: Local Teens. - Mary W (10th Aug 2011 - 15:02:54) @ Anon - nice that you can afford a mobile that sends emails - wish I had one.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (10th Aug 2011 - 17:16:45) I see that we are still posting bitter remarks. !! Be glad our youngsters do not behave like the yobs that have caused these riots in the cities. Mary, most mobiles can send emails !

Re: Local Teens. - Mary W (10th Aug 2011 - 22:47:08) Presumably they cost a bit more than a normal pay as you go phone. Seeing those pictures tonight on TV, makes you realise it could happen anywhere. Perhaps if some of them played together instead of texting and emailing all the time, they might all be a bit fitter and less 'bored'. Mobiles have a big part in rallying crowds, I'm sure. I was never bored as a kid, we walked and ran, climbed trees and went swimming in the sand pits, used our imagination and didn't have all our waking thoughts fixed on the artificial stumuli of TV and computer games. And we weren't allowed the luxury of believing that we were the centre of a universe that owed us something. We were kept in our place and were taught respect and politeness. The world has gone mad.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 08:16:00) I blame the parents. They need to all pull their fingers out and discipline the kids properly. They get away with murder. When i was a kid/teen i wouldnt dream of doing what most teens do today.. Loitering, criminal damage, weed, noise, disrespect, drugs... I was scared of getting a beating from my old man, and for it i never steped out of line. I say bring back the cane and put them all in their place just like the old times. Seriously... When my son is born i will be damned if im going to let him become a yob because i was too soft. No way pedro.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 10:10:01) Sadly im not a kid... im nearlly 18, and so are my friends... we dont tend to "play" we like to skate... but once again im making useless circles, cause nobody has actually listened to me, its kind of bounced off and been followed by some grovelling about how bad we are once again.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (11th Aug 2011 - 10:11:15) Oh dear oh dear. Give me the youth of Liphook to the pompous rantings of so called adults. I too played in the fields, went swimming in rivers, had a spinning top, made toys by putting old balls in an old stocking to play with !! Things move on. Why do we want better education ? - to improve lives. Mary , you seem to spend enough time at the computer posting on this website, is that not slightly hypercritical . A lot of the kids have grown up round here cycling at the bomb pits, and all around the area, also camping out, but no one knows that. People jump to conclusions and usually the wrong ones. To John D, you worry me with your stringent attitude, until you do have children you will not understand. I assume you know you are having a boy? In this day and age I am afraid beating will not be one of your options !!

Re: Local Teens. - helen (11th Aug 2011 - 10:12:06) I agree in part that parents are to blame for bad behaviour but there is also an underlying problem which is a nationwide lack of opportunity for young people to access the world of work, if their parents cannot afford to send them to university, and the schools have now concentrated on the high achievers, there are not the basic jobs around anymore. it is good that local people put job vacancies on here but compared to when I was young there are not many jobs, partly because of the economic downturn, partly the relaxed rules re working any where in the eu if you live in an eu country.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 10:22:05) Dear all that replied without reading my last couple of replies. my mother has taught me the best of manners and respect, and sometimes i dont use them as much at home, but i do use them a lot out of home, and for you to automatically assume that none of us have manners is just ridiculous, and its just following a horrific cycle of sterio typing. Do you think we enjoy this abuse, do you think your showing your "manners" you were apparently taught, when you were as old as me, and are you showing that respect, that you seem to rate so high, that you use to sit on, like the king of the castle? I have seen none.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 10:37:07) thankyou for the support i have had however.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 11:10:26) My point was not to beat children, but the occasional larrup behind the ear to show them they cannot behave like yobs goes a long way. And maybe i am stereotyping but thats down to the teenagers that hang about drinking and shouting late at night. But hey what do you expect when the parents dont give a crap what they do.. I agree that there are respectful teens here, but the grief we get is caused by bored drunk teens who havent been taught about respect. And also just because there is not much to do around or the lack of opportunity does not justify that behaviour. I was brought up in spain, and in the uk and i was a bored teen, there was hardly anything to do as i lived in the country, and did i go about getting drunk and unsetling people late at night? No. My father was strict, he never beat me, however i did get a slap when i showed disrespect. Parents need to impose authority and discipline, maybe then kids and teens alike will have more respect for their parents, their community and more importantly for themselves. Ps. A. Ryan I have two stepchildren which i am bringing up so i do have an understanding of the point i am trying to get accross.

Re: Local Teens. - liz (11th Aug 2011 - 11:12:36) Anyone able to answer my question?

Re: Local Teens. - helen (11th Aug 2011 - 11:34:55) I think we all do read the postings and I applaud you for coming on here, It appears that you are trying to get support for a better skatepark. I may be wrong but an upgrade would probably cost in the region of £50-75 thousand pounds? Also sports facilities in my opinion should have a wider appeal for everyone of both sexes and different ages to enjoy, I would love a swimming pool in Liphook but realistically know it would not get built here.

Re: Local Teens. - Mary W (11th Aug 2011 - 11:35:07) @A Ryan I haven\'t counted how many posts you\'ve made. I have only been moved to write to a couple with threads I find relevant and interesting. When you get old you don\'t have the choices, when you\'re young you do. Thank goodness I do have the computer, it is a lifeline for people past their physical prime. Which is my point. Walk, run, play while you can. Work hard in between times while you have the chance of an education, the results of that will determine your whole future. Save the sedentary stuff until you can\'t do the rest.

Re: Local Teens. - Shauna (11th Aug 2011 - 11:42:43) Not condoning bad behaviour, but casting your mind back to your childhood is really not the answer, ever heard the expression "I know you were a teenager once, but not in 2011". Criticising them because they don't want to "play nicely" is irrelevant to being a teenager in 2011, they need entertainment that is normal to their era, i.e. field parties etc. A bit of tolerance maybe?

Re: Local Teens. - Mary W (11th Aug 2011 - 11:45:57) @ anon 18! I had no idea you were nearly grown up - it didn't come over in your posts. Do grown-up boys really spend their time skate-boarding and hanging around in recreation grounds? Don't they go for walks or read or fill their time being useful? There are some good walks around here, we all used to walk when we were young. Come on, get a life!

Re: Local Teens. - helen (11th Aug 2011 - 12:07:04) I am horrified that Shauna thinks field parties are what teenagers are entitled to because they are bored, some of us who live in the area think it is a selfish view- there are residents, just because we live near an empty field does not mean we are crying out for noise disruption aggrevation? If you had a big enough garden let 200 teenagers use it Shauna see what your neighbours think!

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (11th Aug 2011 - 12:14:27) To Anon, Well said !! A voice for the youth.

Re: Local Teens. - Nick (11th Aug 2011 - 12:56:18) So mary, are you saying that all the teenagers need to do is \"go for a walk\" or \"read\" and that\'s the solution to anyone\'s problems in the town? I don\'t believe you could be so blindsided. To post with a chance to get respect here, stop treating teenagers with energy and ideas with the same suggestions I would find someone in their 80s doing during the summer. The way teenagers are \"being useful\" is trying to get jobs - that\'s pretty hard these days. If you have a better suggestion other than slave labour I\'d expect from the way you talk about teenagers, let\'s hear it?

Re: Local Teens. - Jamie B (11th Aug 2011 - 13:26:22) Oh dear. We have a bunch of grumpy, middle-aged no it alls who are jealous of the teenage population because they actually have some fun. How about stop looking through your net curtains at these so called "yobs" and pick up the guts to go and speak to them, hey you might even realise that they are humans just like you! Im 17 by the way.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 13:38:48) Jamie B When you are at home at 1 in the morning trying to sleep, and you have small children and a heavily pregnant girlfriend i would love to see you approach a group of 20 teenagers who are all pissed as a fart, sceaming and swearing and kicking bins over. Im only 24, im not gonna risk my safety and get my head kicked in just to tell a bunch of abusive teens to make a racket somewhere else. When you grow up and you have kids then you will realise.

Re: Local Teens. - Jamie B (11th Aug 2011 - 13:59:26) Im 17 and ive never hung around outside somebodies house at 1AM? But i personally have had drunk 30 year olds walking past my house, so why generalise? Arent you talking about drunks instead of teenagers? Just because you were brought up in a prosperous economy and everything was alright for you doesnt mean the same for my generation. There are NO jobs in Liphook at all, we cant walk past old people without them looking like theyve seen a ghost, we cant go in shops without people think we are stealing, we cant even have a good time by ourselves without people calling the Police or something. I would never dream of kicking somebodies head in just because they asked us to quieten down or move somewhere else! Most of the fights are by adults, yes ADULTS! fighting after a night at the green dragon. I think you need to re think what youve said.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 14:16:59) Ok you have a point, however it is always teens that i see hanging around on fields, not adults. So there are no jobs, why dont you look into going to college, learning a trade and becoming self employed? Wouldnt that seize all the boredom and also give you hope for the future? And just to point out when i was your age you didnt get employed if you didnt have GCSE's, so work wasnt abundant then either.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 14:25:46) get a life? im not 18 yet? If i was 18, i wouldnt be on this because im bored. I'd be sat in a pub because im bored. Very good comments from my amigo's, as you have seen there is a lack of jobs due to the economic climate, and yes i know "back in my day id be working at 14", well this isent back in the day, and im struggling to find a job, even after signing the mountains of applications, and to be honest my qualifications and everything are fine or over the criteria needed. Maybe the employers have also been brain washed into thinking im a yob. And if i was a yob, the only thing i break into is my house.... using the key! And about the eduction thing, we're not thick, i have as much education as you adults now, apart from the ex university students... And i did well in school. No-wonder there is an apparent "lack of respect" for you adults, its because you give us so much bloody stick, and as for the person who says bins gets kicked, its probably the minority... Not all of us sit around kicking bins at 1 in the morning... If we did, there would be another thread called "bin kicking". But there isent, so perhaps you should contact the local authorities and get those people sorted out, instead of sitting on a computer, slurring text into the keyboard that has probably been mentioned about 3 times now in this thread, and do something, nobody is going to pick up there magic wand and go "away with yee" and its all going to go away. Anyways, normally on a daily basis i will walk through liphook to get the the skate park, to meet my mates, and bump into my nan, or one of her friends, or perhaps a friend of the familys, and ill be with all of my friends, they dont tend to flinch, because they know we are harmless and only mean good. The party was a one off situation of which has been used as the most ridiculous scape goat ever. We are not tireless slobs who sit around all day, as i dont have work, i do housework, to pay my keep at home, and i know many others who do also. Maybe if you hate teenagers so much, we should all be locked up, inside, stairing at screens, getting fat, and wasting years of which could be filled with fond and amazing memories. My parents wouldnt do that to me, and im sure you wouldnt if you have/had children. Everyone makes mistakes.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 14:28:59) @John G, its the summer holidays.... College isent on. and even when it isent on, nobody is around... i would know. i fifnished early.

Re: Local Teens. - Alan (11th Aug 2011 - 14:38:22) The skate park has been mentioned again, so maybe some of the 'teens' posting on here should get together to do something about it. Put together a proper proposal of what you want. You can be sure that few of the local councillors will have a clue. Can it be made to fit where the old basketball court is outside the library ? Try and get some idea of the cost of the equipment and installation. Have a look at the BBC site - Village SOS - contact them and ask for help. Go to the Lottery and ask for a grant. Use your spare time productively - you will be amazed what you can achieve. Alan

Re: Local Teens. - Jamie B (11th Aug 2011 - 14:42:39) @ John G actually I go to college. The fact that you are oblivious to the fact that there is summer holidays at the moment, proves you know nothing about teenagers. Ive applied to every pub, supermarket, restaraunt and even the pet shop. There is NOTHING. And that is the fault of the older generation, maybe you should stop looking at us, because us having nothing to do and no hope for employment is just a symptom of the underlying economic illness. You sound much more immature than most of my friends, considering the generalisation you come up with, and its that attitude which is very dangerous.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 14:50:16) @Mary, Im not 80 (yet), Nature doesent interest me in the slightest, and i dont (only) sit at the skate park. I do other things, but they cant be done everyday. Otherwise they would get boring. And dont belittle me, just because you have a bigger number behind your name, doesent mean you can rule over me like the queen in alice in wonderland. You are the common example of why teenagers show disrespect at points in their lives. Because people like you are so patronising.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 14:54:06) @Alan, Thank-you for your intelligent and reasonable response, i will be taking these links, and talking to the others about how to go from these things, me and another friend are working hard on trying to develop a gig next year to raise money for the skate park.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 14:54:46) Anon Alan is right, if you want a new skatepark why not get a big group together and do something about it, fight for it instead of expecting it to be handed to you. And yes you are right, not all teens are bad, and i am sat on my computer partly because im at home lumbered with my kids, and it seems its the best way to communicate nowadays. If you set up a project, and a fundraising even for the new skatepark i would be willing to lend a hand and donate what i can. Think about it. And as for the minority of teen drunks that hang about on the green opposite sainsburys, well, youre all idiots and you need to grow up. You are the reason teens are stereotyped as Yobs. Hopefully one of them at least will read this and get the message.

Re: Local Teens. - Youth (11th Aug 2011 - 14:59:08) Heya "other" people here, Like anon, i too live in liphook under the same sterotypical rule of adults. On a whole most teens in liphook do not cause any sorts of issues. Yeah you might have a small minority of those teens in liphook who cause issues but once again that is the small portion of the teens & increasing population of teens here. You keep blaming things like bad parenting and such, but most of the time i think it's the lack of things to do here in liphook that causes issues, because times are tight alot of parents avoid or don't want to give out there hard earned cash for us to even go out to the cinema and such. I mean the best store we have in liphook is sainsbury's which is just saying something. We live right next to places like haslemere & petersfield...and yet we still have no decent shops or places to go. Instead of putting in a shopping centre or various other shops on both of the new developments in liphook they have decided to put in another old peoples home.... on the other ground i believe it's supposed to be a new cricket court, and the doctor surgery is joining together, which is fine, but why do we need what seems to be our fifth? [Give or take] old people home?? We've got plently of them already. You keep saying kids can just go for walks, but in a world that is so "Active" how can we just keep doing the exact same things as much as you like variety so do teens, we don't want to be stuck doing the same things....Yet most of the time we are forced to do the same things just due to the enviroment in liphook. We use to have a youth centre in liphook....But that got shut down aswell....So what is there for teens to do in liphook? Not alot......And most teens try to have parties, and then you complain about it...yet if an adult has a party. You don't see us teens complain about it, let alone other adults rarely care either and trust me i've seen enough drunken old men & women in liphook to know that it's bullshit that teens are "Always" on the street at night. At one in the morning i rarely ever seen any teens on the street & i should know i tend to be out & about at that time, and everything is very quiet apart from a few ocasional nights. In my opinion alot of you are "Over-Exaggerating" alot of the incidents because if the noise levels were really bad or it happened often the police would be in liphook far more as it can be considered a criminal offence. Yes, also we may "have" more than you did when you were a kid but whose fault is that?? You're the one who gave it to us. You're the parent who didn't teach us the difference between being spoilt or not. Really that is only the parents fault if you say tht we keep wanting more, it'd be your fault for spoiling us rotten. And alot of the people i know, of course we all want stuff, but do we have it?? Not most the people i know, most my friends were able to go to music festivals... i wasn't ablle to go because we couldn't afford it, did i throw a paddy and go sulk no. You adults are sooo closed minded i don't think you could really ever understand the youth of today, even when we are reaching out to you to defend ourselves you still don't even acknowledge our existence so really why should we respect people who don't even respect us. I think thats all i really need to say, it turned from apoint of view into a rant ....Oh well....i doubt any of you will over-look it anyway.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 15:02:45) Im sorry did i suggest going to college in the summer? What i was suggesting is that you could go to college, and plan for your employment during your spare time. Example you could study carpentry at college and become a self employed chippy! Thats what my brother inlaw did and hes earning 150 quid a day. Thats what i was trying to suggest.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 15:10:55) Ok, so heres a question. What would the youth like built in liphook? A big youthclub with a skatepark, indoor lounges to chill, socializa and play some videogames/pool? Maybe the youths could do community work to keep up the costs of it? Teens give us some suggestions, not just skateparks though other ideas too! Lets see if we can team up (adults & teens) and make it happen!!

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (11th Aug 2011 - 15:12:39) Not all the kids want to skate or play basket ball, some just like to hang out with friends, same as most adults, only we can have dinner parties or go to the pub. Where else can the kids all meet up with each other if not the recreation ground , or similar places. Most of the kids will go on to college in September, so at the moment there will appear to be more kids around at this time of the year. I myself remember " hanging out " nearly forty years ago, and some even older will remember the heady days of the sixties, but judging by these discussions I think some were born "old" The drunkard's do tend to be the adults leaving the pubs, and I am afraid Liphook does have and always had its fair share of troublesome people. To tar everyone with the same brush is so unjust.

Re: Local Teens. - Youth (11th Aug 2011 - 15:14:13) @ Alan As much as those things are useful, we have been trying to get the council to listen to us and get the skate park updated, we've been petitioning for a while but i doubt anything we come to fruition. The council don't listen to youths no matter how many people we get they won't listen to youths, which just shows the disrespect they already have for us. For something like this we need the help of said "Adults" in liphook which just shows how stupid this enviroment is when youths can't even tell the council what they want. if they did they'd brush it aside like so many other things. I mean closing down the youth club alone shows they don't really care much for the youths here.

Re: Local Teens. - Jamie B (11th Aug 2011 - 15:18:14) Ok i guess im gonna have to put up with being labelled as a Yob until my 20th birthday. You "adults" are much more hard to get your point across to, at least we actually listen. You just dont listen to us, how can you expect respect if you just pass of everything we say.

Re: Local Teens. - Alan (11th Aug 2011 - 15:22:04) 'Youth' - the trouble is that us adults are not street cred enough to know what you might need or want. You need to put together a proper proposal and I am sure that councillors like Dawn Hoskins will be able to look at it and ask you any questions. The biggest problem is funding (and fair funding) which has to come from ALL the residents whether they have children or not. This is why it would be worthwhile applying for a lottery grant - via the BBC village SOS scheme. Maybe this could be for a larger scheme based over on the Bohunt estate (next to the proposed football pitches) and with a youth club building as well. With lottery funding the sky is the limit.

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 15:28:36) @Youth, if this was a job, id be redundant. Good show. And because community work doesent interest us, we're not asking for a mega kingdom of fun and bloody glitter. Another example of over exaduration. We just want somewhere nice, and open to kind of relax at and enjoy ourselves at, i mean the skate park is just on my criteria, as its where me and MY friends hang out at, but im sure other youths would have an idea of what they wanted done, my little brother is part of the youth club and im sure he would have an idea of what he wanted, and most of them, but there are also the older youths (16-19) who need something to do, because while some of us can go to the pub, a lot of us cant, and im not suggesting that we want somewhere to underage drink AT ALL, im just saying we need somewhere were we can go, because the skate park is good, but in winter it gets wet, and there isent a good enough shelter to sit under, and the ramps are made of metal, which gets slippery, and cant be gripped, and yes ive gone back to the skate park rant, but thats MY idea, not the whole population of the liphook teens, and its horrible how you speak of us, harsh enough as it is, its like a verbal genocide. Maybe we should have a meeting called "Meet the Teens" were you can come and discuss with teens what they wants, and we can discuss with you what you want... because lets face it, your being very brave speaking to me, a yob behind your computer screen, but you wouldnt talk to me in a street because im defiantly (being a teenager) going to harm you to some degree. (note the incredible amount of sarcasm)

Re: Local Teens. - Teen (11th Aug 2011 - 15:30:15) Now, I don't actually live IN Liphook, I live in Petersfield. However, probably 90% of my friends come from in and around Liphook, and I spend a lot of my time in Liphook with them, and I went to Bohunt school, so I think I have plenty of right to comment on this. Ok, I haven't read through everything which has been posted in this thread, as it's far too long now for that to be practical. However, I do get the idea of what's been said, and I have a few simple replies to a lot of this. @John G: How long do you think it takes to plan out a career? Because it certainly doesn't take an entire summer, and not one of us would be willing to spend all of our time doing so even if it did. And how do you think the college system works? Because there certainly isn't a carpentry course, and we can't just decide to suddenly change course and dedicate our time to that, instead of the courses we're all on.Of course, here I'm assuming that the other teens in this thread are already in college, but I think that's fair, as anyone younger is unlikely to think of this as their problem. Other than that, your other ideas do make sense, although I think it'd be VERY unlikely you'd be able to get people out to do community work. Now, other than that, the only other thing I have to say it this: We aren't the same as you. We've grown up in a completely different social structure, with completely different technology, advances, and opportunities in our reach. I can guarantee you that if you'd grown up in the same era we did, you'd be doing everything we do. Just because you grew up without technology, doesn't mean we have to. Just because you grew up without the opportunities to go out with friends and skate, doesn't mean we have to. It's unfair to restrain us, just because you couldn't have the same. It's petty. Granted, it's completely right for you to despise any anti-social behaviour, and believe me, I do just as much as you. Having said that we teens aren't the same as you, I have to remind you of something else too: we aren't all the same as each other. Not all of us are yobs. Not all of us like to get drunk every night and go out disrupting our home towns. This is one thing I love my parents for, as they know I'm not like that. It's very unlike me to be disruptive, and like most of the people I know, I despise the people who are disruptive. It's unfair for us all to be labelled the same as the yobs, when I guarantee you I'm probably more adult than half the people 5 years older than me (I'm 17, almost 18).

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 15:30:33) Maybe we could send the lottery this thread, and they might feel sorry for us...

Re: Local Teens. - Anon (11th Aug 2011 - 15:56:50) Also im changing my name too Anonymous as another person is using the name anon now

Re: Local Teens (MAKING IT HAPPEN) - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 16:11:23) Teens, lets try and get a descent skate park and youth club in Liphook. I don't really know where to start, but if you could get the word out to write to me at liphookteens@gmail.com with suggestions for projects, and fund raisers, then I can put together a plan and send it to local businesses, to the local MP's, and to the BBC's Village SOS and see if we can make it happen! I will also contact Kestrel FM and see if they can give us a shout out for any donations! COME ON PPL LETS MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

Re: Local Teens. - Anonymous (11th Aug 2011 - 16:18:39) Lets get this going. I will be contacting you very soon, as i dont want my identity spewed everywhere! haha. I have some idea's and so does youth, now ive realised who he is. Speak Soon

Re: Local Teens. - Alan (11th Aug 2011 - 16:21:41) To start with 'teens' book your place at the Carnival - Karen Feeney, Chairman on 01428 723971 You can ride around the route as a group showing how good you are and gain some funds for your cause. Alan

Re: Local Teens. - helen (11th Aug 2011 - 17:40:50) I would not give anyone labels unless they deserve one, and I realise that it is tough being out of work but it is tough at any age, the only way forward in this climate is a good degree or to be self motivated enough to set up a small business which can then expand would your parents help with that? a market stall to start off with perhaps at country market car boot? Also please do not blame ordinary people for the recession, they had no control over greedy bankers. We are all also paying the price of their former stupidity and lack of judgement. I have tried to talk to young people in Liphook and say hello only to be ignored.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (11th Aug 2011 - 18:20:30) We have had some great responses from the teens, at least something good has come out of this thread, it has got people talking. Instead of putting teenagers down let's hope something constructive can be achieved . What we have to remember is , we were all kids once, and these kids will all soon become adults, just let them have some fun before serious life sets in.

Re: Local Teens. - liz (11th Aug 2011 - 18:46:55) I'm sure most people would have been more than happy for a youth club or other facility to be built on what is left of the OSU site. Unfortunately we are all, young and old, at the mercy of the developers. However please pursue the project for a skate park or whatever as I'm sure you will get plenty of support. Its difficult for we 'old fogies' to know exactly what is wanted, but you have to bear in mind that a village the size of Liphook can't support the sort of facilities you will find in larger towns.

Re: Local Teens. - Anonymous (11th Aug 2011 - 18:47:46) why would i want my parents involvement, im nearlly 18, i want this to be done by volenteers, and they can have the independance of making decisions themselves. also it would be a really good piece of experience.

Re: Local Teens. - Nick (11th Aug 2011 - 19:40:14) What some people here have to realise is that times have changed. From the days of becoming a "local chippy for 150quid a week" or whatever was said, to these days - there simply is nothing available. I have a friend who recently dropped out of the academic college I go to in an effort to pursue a music career. In the meantime, he was employed by his dad helping in the construction business - the problem he ran into was his dad was losing money employing him. The economy at the moment is bad. We all know this - the riots in the country aren't anything to do with some shooting - they're a result of people being plain bored. If you sit someone in a room for an entire week with food given to them at breakfast time and dinner, a toilet and a bed - they will get BORED. I'm sure you've all had the need to get away for a weekend, maybe have a meal with some old friends. I for one went to a barbecue and caught up with friends from my GCSE years today - best time I've had in a long while. Some of the comment on here have been downright obnoxious. People claiming to be in their early 20s thinking all they need for employment is some GCSE qualifications - I practically aced all my GCSEs and the one thing I've found since is that no one gives a shit. It's all about experience in the market these days. I've always been a high overachiever in academics and I compete at an international level in a sport but no one cares for it in their individual job roles. You have no way of understanding what it's like at the bottom of the career ladder right now, so a suggestion should go out to you : don't try and say it's easy. The laws in this country and old fashioned and outdated to do with drinking and age of consents. No one has truly paid attention to them for a long while - I don't know anyone my age, which is under the legal drinking age, that does not drink alcohol and doesn't do it regularly. If less restrictions were in place for the consumption of alcohol less idiots out there would think it's "cool" and that would lead to less of the so called "yobs on the streets" drinking. It wouldn't be disobeying anyone and that would mean it was socially acceptable to drink a small amount in public. I disagree with anyone out on the streets drunk of course - that is dangerous to themselves and those around them - especially in regard to the roads, the amount of things we're told not to do though just ends up having us, as bored teams, disobey it and say "what the hell". It's boredom, it's why it's happening and it can be changed. I think that last paragraph is something way above this small town forum though. The more potent problem is money issues vs. the cost of doing something in day to day life - with parents of the teens you so despise unable to spare pocket change for a trip to a swimming pool, building anything "for youths" would be useless. The economy is too bad for costly solutions to costless people's problems.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (11th Aug 2011 - 20:12:12) Well Nick you and your underage group can carry on drinking regularly. Im going to stick with my plan to get a better skatepark and youth centre for those who have a little more respect for life and truly deserve a sweet place to hang out whilst sober. If you are willing to help out and be a part of it then youre always welcome. Liphookteens@gmail.com

Re: Local Teens. - Mary W (12th Aug 2011 - 07:47:03) John G - really take my hat off to you. I am sure loads of people, young and adult, will support your reasoned approach and great outlook on life. It is a positive and responsible attitude which will appeal to all ages. Please start another thread, it is too much to scroll down now, and when you're ready, and have a proper funding scheme set up, ask us again to donate if we can't help physically, and I will, for one. I really commend you for not just ranting and blaming everybody including long-suffering parents for giving you a decent upbringing which has spoiled you. Your mother and father must be so proud of you. You were worth it, obviously. One of the teens on this thread really infuriated me by suggesting that the reason some of them behave badly was because their parents had been too nice to them when young. Time they realised the buck stops with them - lets hope some of them reform and get behind you and help.

Re: Local Teens. - John G (12th Aug 2011 - 08:54:52) Mary Thank you. Actuallly it was me that suggested teens nowadays need more discipline rather than being spoilt, however quite a few teens are saying that the behaviour is due to boredom, so i figured i would listen to them as thats what they really want. Maybe if we adults show the respect first and take the approach and listen then we will get it back. I will open another thread. Once again thank you.

Re: Local Teens. - Simon Cooper (12th Aug 2011 - 09:04:24) Dear Bloggers and Threaders, There are so many positive waves (Donald Sutherland-Kelly's Heroes) coming through about our next generations, that I am moved to ask..... would someone who feels this strongly please support our Parish Plan. We really need these views and moreover ideas for a better future for Youth taken into account. I am afraid "they" need "your" help to do so. It doesnt have to be an immense bureaucratic nightmare nor attending interminable meetings, but some superb ideas turned into plans for action would show all the "kids" that actually adults do care and are prepared to prove it. Please email me at simon.cooper110@btopenworld.com Look forward to hearing from you. Simon

Re: Local Teens. - liz (12th Aug 2011 - 09:13:06) Anonymous If you can think you can do it all yourself with young volunteers - go right ahead!! I wonder why you haven't done it before. As for the boredom issue. Sadly, unemployment in the sense of nothing available is nothing new. Ask those who tried to find work in the thirties, seventies, late eighties/early nineties etc.etc. Time get off your bottoms, stop blaming everyone else and stop feeling sorry for yourselves. An elderly neighbour also reminded me that not only was there no work in the thirties but there was also no benefits or NHS.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (12th Aug 2011 - 09:13:08) People do seem obsessed over the skate park, you have to cater for ALL teens. I think Sainsburys should have done more to provide facilities for the youth. More houses are being built in Liphook, which means more children and more teens, they have to be catered for. We have a Secondary school which brings many kids in to the area too. It is fine to say play football or cricket but if two hundred all turn up to play it would be a bit of a problem.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (12th Aug 2011 - 10:05:02) Anon, I do see your point. I used to go to a youth club back in the early 70's and occasionally my father and uncle helped out . When we had a disco it was my worst nightmare him being there!

Re: Local Teens. - John G (12th Aug 2011 - 11:08:22) If we get this new youthclub built, and on the occasional party there will only be a few adults to supervise, no parents XD. We do actually want the youngsters to attend !!

Re: Local Teens. - may (13th Aug 2011 - 02:16:59) to all of you, think back, they dont want any of you there, for those of you who have perfect children I think one day you will be in for a massive shock because there is no such thing, and you know who I am talking about, haslemeres got talent etc, ah ah ah

Re: Local Teens. - John G (13th Aug 2011 - 09:02:05) Ok, so we will let the local teens run a youth club, lets see how long that lasts XD. I dont think they would be that bothered about an adult or two running the place as long as they have a descent place to hang out, and a descent skate park. Theres nothing else in Liphook for them to do, unless they join the Bowls club, but lets see how the elderly take that!.

Re: Local Teens. - A. Ryan (13th Aug 2011 - 11:29:56) May, I think that jibe was towards me!! My kids are FAR from perfect, plenty of arguments, demands, coming home late stopping out, etc. Oh believe me I have had it all. But I can assure you back in the early seventies I was a nightmare teen, along with plenty of others. I do wonder why your posts are slightly bitter ? There are plenty of rotten apples in Liphook though, but most of the kids ARE harmless teenagers.

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