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Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Jaybee (31st May 2005 - 20:28:08) My grandaughter has just started driving lessons.Within the first ten days she experienced the following in LIPHOOK. 1.Whilst waiting at the entrance of a major road for the traffic to clear, the driver of the following car started to blast his car horn, then tried to overtake on the wrong side of the road. 2. When approaching the double roundabout in the square she was overtaken close to the pedestrian crossing, much to the amazment of her driving instructor. I realise that following a learner driver can be tedious but we have all had to learn sometime, so please be patient. thank you

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - S (2nd Jun 2005 - 08:53:37) Personally I couldn't agree more with you. I make sure when I'm behind or near a L driver to give more than enough space, I ignore any mistakes and will go out of my way to make sure that they have enough time, room and freedom to learn. As for everyone else, get out my bloody way, no dawdling or I'm going past you. :-) I worry nowadays that people are taught only to pass the driving test and not how to drive. My instructor told me from the outset that he was going to teach me to drive safely AND how to pass the driving test. It took me over 6 months of weekly lessons before I took my test. I hear some people have a few lessons and take it.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - g (29th Jun 2005 - 17:50:31) Well just today there was a hot hatch doing a handbrake turn at high speed at the pinch points down the portsmouth road How long before someone is injured or killed then maybee something will be done ?

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Mike Grimes (30th Jun 2005 - 10:09:31) And just what do you suppose might be done? It would undoubtedly inconvenience the rest of us a darn sight more than those who cause the problem.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - g (30th Jun 2005 - 19:01:24) So mike its ok to drive like an idiot then oh well when you car gets hit by a maniac driver maybe then you might show a little more concern ? Or maybe you are one of the drivers that use portsmouth road as a drag strip hmmmmmmm...

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Mike Grimes (1st Jul 2005 - 00:32:10) g. I am not an inconsiderate driver, nor no I condone them. I think you missed my point, but if you drive through Grayshott on a Saturday morning I think you'll see it.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - The policeman (8th Jul 2005 - 15:28:32) Keep this debate going!!! - could this be the start of a campaighn to get speed cameras into Liphook? It is a sad fact that not only are there not enough of us to effectively police all the areas we cover all the time - at least not to the extent we, and I presume/hope you would like but it is only usually through volume of accidents and proliferation of offences that action in the form of traffic calming and speed camera installations does take place. It pretty much took the death of a lad who was crossing the road near the Fox & Pelican in Grayshott a few years ago to get the pinch-points in at either end of the village there - but even that doesn't stop the idiots. Whilst off duty I've seen them driving round the pinch-points to the left, over the pavements and many times I see cars forced into giving way when they have priority going out of the village because the inconsiderate driver coming in goes too fast to get to the pinch-point and force their way through. Personally I'm all for every driver having to re-take their test, say every five years? - if you don't pass you each time them you lose your licence until you do. Why not - if you don't pay your credit card bills you get that taken away AND pay the price. Driving licences are not a right - they're a privilige that gets sorely abused. Tell us what you think.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Mart (10th Jul 2005 - 22:11:47) Overtaking on the wrong side of the road indeed! Do you mean the left hand bit, or the right hand bit?:-) Don't condone it. People in cars think they can't be recognised and can be incredibly selfish/ignorant/ temperamental.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - jaybee (22nd Aug 2005 - 20:48:29) I started this thread shortly after my grandaughter began driving lessons, since then she has had twelve two hour driving lessons plus 1,500 miles driving practise. To-day she past her practical test. Despite my initial comments, we have found that except for a small, but significant minority, drivers are patient and considerate to learner drivers. Although she has passed her official test she realises that she is still a learner, and is using GREEN L PLATES until she takes her Pass Plus course later this year. If during her training ,or whilst she is still practising she delays you on your journey THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - S (24th Aug 2005 - 12:47:52) There is only one reason the police and the government want more Cameras and thats for revenue making. The facts and figures say that Speed Cameras do not help save lives, they just don't. They are there purely to make more money out of us already overtaxed motorists. I am all for having speed cameras in places where there are a genuine need for them but there are way too many in areas where it just isn't necessary. If catching people speed wasn't purely for revenue making why do policeman on motorways hide in their unmarked cars and behind parked vehicles with their radar guns. I'm all for LRC100 Laser Jammers, everyone should have one as they are great.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Chris (24th Aug 2005 - 18:51:28) I don't think it's much to ask of drivers to observe speed limits. If they do then they won't be penalised and the government won't receive a penny in extra revenue. Speed cameras area deterrant! Punish the idiots that break this law and only they will be out of pocket. It's no different from fining people for road tax evasion which in itself is a less dangerous crime!

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - S (25th Aug 2005 - 09:17:22) Yeah because doing 75 in 70 for instance is almost worth a life sentence isn't it? People doing these kind of speeds are being convicted every day on dual carriageways, there is no longer a 10% safety zone so I am led to believe. I know someone who was caught doing 32 in a 30 now that's just silly. Currently I have a clean licence but if I make one mistake of any type at the wrong time I'll be adding to the Chiefs Constables Xmas fund. I'm all for cameras in built up areas and near schools but the reality is that these aren't generally going into places where safety of children and other road users is needed. They are mostly put on roads that are fairly safe but are most likely to find people speeding on. It's a revenue maker nothing more. So can someone tell me why when we have a shortage of police constables the majority of them are trying to make an easy buck on overtaxed motorists? With whats going on around London and the UK with other crimes surely their time would be much more useful doing something else.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Chris (25th Aug 2005 - 10:16:40) ...aren't speed cameras designed to prevent the need for police presence at points of installation? I agree with your point regarding lack of margins and these margins should be taken into consideration when judgement is made (I am led to believe that the motorist is supposed to be given a warning and nothing more if within margin). Motorists that overdo it by big margins SHOULD be financially penalised, big time, especially when they are committing the offence in built-up/populous areas.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - S (25th Aug 2005 - 14:59:38) Completely agree with you. In built up areas near schools or housing, the book should be thrown. These are the places that need to have cameras but I think generally these are the only places accept for major blackspots. The majority of cameras are not in these areas and are certainly not at blackspots. They are at places where they are difficult to see and are most likely to gain revenue.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - joshua (28th Aug 2005 - 22:18:44) as a 15 year old school boy im finding i am risking life and limb just trying to cross headley road to get to the co-op.drivers use that road like an airport run way an god help any body in there way....my mums car has been hit many times by speeding motorists outside our own house in headley road there realy needs to be road humps all the way down this road please!!!!! im to young to die for a pint of milk and a loaf of bread!!!!!

Be patient with Learner Drivers. Please. - dawn (3rd Feb 2014 - 12:22:19) My last son is learning to drive and practising as much as possible with us whilst also having lessons. As any parent knows, this is a stressful time for all people in the car!! Yesterday, at the first roundabout the car stalled and immediately the driver behind started ‘bibbing his horn’. This only made my son get more panicked and he then went on to stall the car 3 times in a row! Please. We all learnt to drive – so try to remember how nerve-racking it was for you and treat other young people the way you would have liked to have been treated yourself when you were learning. p.s. apologies to the driver at Sainsbury’s roundabout who very cleverly did an emergency stop when my son failed to brake in time. This has now been merged with the earlier thread that has subsequently been posted to.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - bdavies (3rd Feb 2014 - 14:58:09) Mr Policeman, you wanted feed back so here is mine. Please install a speed camera along the Headley Road. It's a 30 mile an hour zone. It should not take even the most incompetant idiot driver any effort to retain a 30 mph speed along a stretch of road that lasts 3/4 of a mile. Better still make the whole stretch 20.

Re: Be patient with Learner Drivers. Please. - godric (3rd Feb 2014 - 19:13:26) ......... saw a lovely sign on the back of a driving school car ' please be patient - remember you were a leaner once!' ....... and if you get hooted at - suggest you take your time to make sure you drive correctly - don't be bullied into making a mistake.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Jen (4th Feb 2014 - 11:53:39) Drivers in Liphook appear to be generally inconsiderate. This particular thread appears to be a continuation of the one about the roundabouts a short while ago. Contributors may like to read that thread too. Does this amount of comments imply that it is time for a major road use survey in Liphook village by the highway authority ?

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Rob (4th Feb 2014 - 12:14:12) Down Longmoor Road every day I see cars and vans speeding well above the 30mph limit and the 20mph limit just past Bohunt School. And it's also Council vehicles too. On several occasions I have crossed over, with my children, the crossing point outside Bohunt rather than the zebra crossing and half way across have nearly been killed by cars passing at speed which when I starting crossing were a safe distance away. Now I ALWAYS use the zebra and stop the traffic every time. In Headley Road I have been half way across the zebra and had cars pass by at speed. I am all for speed cameras!

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - dawn (4th Feb 2014 - 13:03:14) Your local Parish Council have been trying to get Speed Watch set up. this is speed guns run by volunteers who are properly trained by the police and use proper equipment. This keeps falling flat as - guess how many volunteers have come forward. ZERO. If you want speed guns - you can have them. You just supply a few hours of your time to make it run. Contact the Parish Office to volunteer.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Rob (4th Feb 2014 - 13:04:23) Read somewhere that car manufacturers realise they can't expect drivers attitudes to change for the better so change the car instead. Expect to see automatic speed governors built into cars to slow traffic down to the local legal limit and slower near schools etc. On a further positive point there will be less speeding tickets!

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - dawn (4th Feb 2014 - 13:08:41) Don't like people breaking the speed limit. Do something about it!! Read the info on speed Watch here - Talkback 9th April 2013 - SpeedWatch This was put in the paper and on notice boards all around the village. It has been talked about at meetings too - but as no one goes to them that was a bit useless! bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/news

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - bdavies (4th Feb 2014 - 15:37:25) Dawn, How long would residents be required to stand around with speed guns? The problem goes on and on all day, all month all year and beyond. It is not a permanent solution to a permanent problem and many of us have long working days to contend with. Residents with speed guns or camera, they both amount to the same unpopular deterrant BUT the camera works better as it is a permanent fixture and people who break the speed limit will be fined EVERY time. A camera also does not put anyone in the firing line of abuse from the same morons that think that they are immune to the law.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - bdavies (4th Feb 2014 - 15:53:03) Have to laugh at the ads that appear at the bottom of these posts. The fracking one, where most of the responses are not in favour, have an advert from a company advising us how to invest in it! The inconsiderate drivers thread has an ad for a law firm that will help you to skip a speeding fine. I can't wait for the next dog doo complaint to see what that throws up! The adverts are provided by Google and take into account the content of the page being viewed AND other websites you have visited. So, it is very likely that other people will not be seeing the same ads as you. In fact if you consider what you have recently 'googled' you may find a reason for the adverts you are seeing.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - dawn (4th Feb 2014 - 16:34:00) Hi bdavies Well, the more people volunteer the more frequent the change-over. I get that Speed cameras are very popular however; the parish would have to pay to install and run. Cameras cost about £50,000 to install and about the same amount to run each year. We don’t have that. They are in fact so expensive that many Police forces have been forced to scrap them. One of the main reasons for this is that all revenue that arises locally from speeding goes directly to the Government's bank account. It bypasses the police or the parish that has to pay to keep the camera running or pay to install it in the first place. There may, as you say, be a risk of morons shouting abuse etc, but you would be in pairs with lots of high Vis’ gear on. This is usually a deterrent in itself. Plus you have captured the licence plate of the abusive driver so the police would get involved if any stupidity occurred. Most people would assume it was the police anyway as the high vis’ outfits look similar and equipment is police equipment.

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Fred Splinge (4th Feb 2014 - 21:45:41) Speedwatch : hmmm,if you are manning a camera and you catch your nice friendly neighbour who you have known for the last 10 years what do you do ? Sorry but it's not a job i would like !

Re: Inconsiderate/Selfish drivers - Phil (4th Feb 2014 - 23:45:12) I commute 25,000 miles a year and think I've seen pretty much everything that's possible on the roads. My impartial advice is for everyone to assume the other driver is an idiot. Others can assume that of me too, I won't mind. You'll survive longer that way, and stand to be pleasantly surprised. Having said that, Liphook is the place where I've witnessed the greatest use of finger / hand gestures to other drivers and yes folks that does include by men and indeed women (very often in front of their children). Just indicate.

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