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French Referendum - Eneida (28th May 2005 - 08:53:54) I've been following the reports in The Times on this referendum and really find it all very alarming! When it first seemed likely to be a'no' vote, Downing Street said a narrow majority against or "un petit non" might be OK to be read as a "oui"!! and now Valery Giscard d'Estaing, the man whol helped to draft the constitution is saying something along the lines that people will be asked to vote again and again until the right answer is given, in other words a "oui" vote!! What sort of rubbishy democracy is that... If the EU carry on like this, in a few years time, we will all be living in a 'Soviet style' state and freedom of choice will be banned (& Liphook.co!). Very alarming as I said, so what can we do about it??

Re: French Referendum - Paul Robinson (1st Jun 2005 - 19:59:52) So, you should expect a democracy in France? At least they allowed their citizens a vote. Our leader is now saying that in view of the humiliating result in the French referendum and, dare I say it at ten past eight on 1st June, in the Dutch referendum, we are to be denied any referendum in the UK until a positive result can be assured. What sort of democracy do you want? Paul Robinson

Re: French Referendum - Eneida (2nd Jun 2005 - 08:07:28) I expected a democracy where people elect the politicians that govern the country - how very naive of me!! When I said earlier that 'in a few years time we might find ourselves living in a Soviet style state' was also wrong. We are, obviously, already living in a Soviet state governed by unelected Commissioners who will decide what will happen regardless of what the people want. I might as well have stayed Brazilian, at least in South America if the people get really p****d off with the government they have a revolution and shoot them all. Now there's an idea....;)

Re: French Referendum - Dick (2nd Jun 2005 - 18:04:16) Eneida, Do you think we should have a referendum on whether we should have a revolution. Fortunately this is not South America (Not that i dislike South America) but i would like to think that we never have to lower ourselves to having a revolution, although Maggi Thatcher came bloody close with tha Poll Tax.....

Re: French Referendum - Eneida (3rd Jun 2005 - 09:50:39) Dick, I was, of course, joking when I said they would 'shoot the government' in SA. There are all sorts of revolutions, they don't always have to be violent. In the last one in Brazil, many years ago, only one person was killed (unfortunately run over by a tank whilst crossing the road), but a lot of good came out of it and a corrupt government was thrown out. In my opinion the beaurocrats running the EU are corrupt, unelected, unnacountable and undemocratic and they should be thrown out. Why do we need them to tell us how to run our own country and what shape cucumber we should have or whatever ridiculous rules they dream up ?? Actually, I think the European 'revolution' has already started.

Re: French Referendum - Dick (3rd Jun 2005 - 17:30:34) Eneida, I was only joking as well. But you could be right about the European Revolution having started. Lets face it "The Tower of Babel" didn't work so why should this. I think we all want to be Europeans but keep our own identity, currency, government, laws, rules, customs, measurements, flags, drive on the left, work whenever, royalty, democracy, voting rights, immigration control, bent bananas, wonky carrots, channel 5 (well maybe not that one) But apart from those and a few others be European !!!!!

Re: French Referendum - Steve Read (5th Jun 2005 - 18:32:11) Eneida, No wonder the last revolution in Brazil was many years ago, to stand any chance you would have to get by the state police first. Getting run over by a rogue tank would be the least of your worries. Baixada Fluminense March 31st 2005 30 people murdered by the state police. Two victims riding bicycles, four playing pinball and two transvestites I dread to think what the remaining 22 were doing. I wouldn't worry about the beaurocrats telling us which cucumbers we can eat etc etc so long as we do not degenerate to these levels where the police were pretty chuffed that they only killed 983 people in 2004 compared with 1195 in 2003 out of a population of 14m.

Re: French Referendum - Eneida (6th Jun 2005 - 08:14:18) Steve, I did hear about the massacre at Baixada Fluminense and I'm not going to defend what the police did - suffice to say it's a very dangerous district, full of drug barons and criminal gangs and it's often a case of shoot or be shot for the police. But as Dick said we're not living in Brasil. I am very worried about the beaurocrats in the EU and so should you be, if you value democracy in this country. I almost entirely agree with everything that Dick said in his last post, except that I would like to leave the EU and revert back to a free trade agreement with Europe with each country ruling themselves through their own ELECTED politicians.

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