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Half term - Covid restraint - Don (12th Feb 2021 - 09:16:31) We are all very conscious that for both parents and kids this latest Lockdown has been extremely challenging with many juggling homeworking and home schooling; households must be feeling the strain. I am sure that it is going to be extremely tempting this half term for some to feel they can break the lockdown rules and allow their children and each other to mix with other households and I am sure that many will use household and classroom bubbles (for those kids that have been at school) as justification....please think of the community as a whole and show self discipline and restraint for just a while longer. The infection rates do seem to be in decline overall BUT, looking at the UKGov website, Liphook still has one of the highest rates locally and our R rate is above the national average so we cannot/must not get complacent.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Pauline Murdoch (12th Feb 2021 - 09:45:48) Completely agree

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (12th Feb 2021 - 10:39:48) great another elderly person in liphook telling young families and kids what they should do they're really aren't enough of these sorts of posts *gets gun* *blows head off*

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - passfield resident (12th Feb 2021 - 11:04:09) Gareth-whatever are you on about?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Don Jerrard (12th Feb 2021 - 11:07:33) Gareth How do you know that don is an elderly person? I am an elderly person also called Don but not the one who started this post Whoever don is makes a very good point and does not deserve to be treated in this way Let’s all try and pull together to sort out this horrible problem which is hurting so many people so badly Don not don

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Don (12th Feb 2021 - 11:20:35) Actually Gareth, I'm 48.....twerp!

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Eleanor (12th Feb 2021 - 12:27:41) It sounds to me like the op is someone abiding by the rules, and is fed up with some people in the village doing exactly as they like.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Rob (12th Feb 2021 - 12:51:41) Don, 48 is old

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Paul (12th Feb 2021 - 12:56:54) Just shut every thing down only thing you can do is food shopping and chemists and getting your dose. No walking runing or bike ride driving anywhere no work, school nothing at all for 12 weeks shut you all up then.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Oldie (12th Feb 2021 - 13:36:02) Well Rob if 48 is old god help the country because the over 40s are the ones that are keeping the country going.And as you have to work until nearly 80 for your pension 48 is quite young and at that age you become very worldly wise.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Ian (12th Feb 2021 - 13:48:27) Gareth Rees! Just a coincidence I’m sure but Sky News report that parts of Wales have had the highest rates on Lockdown Non-compliance in the UK?!?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - helen (12th Feb 2021 - 17:28:39) Gareth Rees was on a posting before when we had snow, stating that it was ok for children to toboggan down the roads despite the roads also containing cars. He also thought that it was the elderly moaning then.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (12th Feb 2021 - 19:02:16) No one should break the law But however well meaning dom’s advice was meant to be, young families don’t need to be told what the right thing to do is Lockdown’s are about protecting the vulnerable. The elderly. Most deaths are still over 70s Essentially the young in the UK are picking up the tab for the old As for community mixing Deaths in children are 4 in the UK. That is 0.01%. The same for kids with seasonal flu. In addition all of the data so far is that kids do not spread covid. There was a study by the Royal Society of Paediatricians that followed a family with covid on holiday. The kids had covid. Caught from a parent. The kids came in to contact with 100 adults. None of the adults got covid. Anecdotally my daughter was in a classroom with a little boy who got covid. None of the other kids in her class got covid from the little boy. The evidence so far is kids don’t spread covid IMO Schools should be open. But parents should be forbidden from mixing. £60 fines etc. For the older posters on here you can get more facts following this link. Don’t forget your glasses: rcpch.ac.uk/resources/covid-19-research-evidence-summaries PS Helen 'no surname' - Sledging is still not illegal on a road.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Parent. (12th Feb 2021 - 21:18:46) Dear Dom. Well summarised initially, yes it’s been quite strenuous, as you’ve pointed out. However, to make such a sweeping statement that basically points fingers at all the parents and their lack of concern for the community, is quite frankly an insult. And as you’ve rightly pointed out, the children have been cooped up in either their houses or school, so clearly they can’t have kept the R rate high...maybe the blame lies elsewhere? Make sure you don’t slip on that soap box you've perched yourself on.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - D the key (12th Feb 2021 - 22:20:39) Gareth Jrees, if children do not spread covid as you claim why are teachers trying to jump the queue for the vaccine?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - liz (12th Feb 2021 - 22:29:33) Gareth Anecdotes may be interesting but they do not present an accurate or meaningful picture. The schools are closed because kids DO spread Covid even though, fortunately, they are little affected themselves. Whatever you believe if you want to come out of lockdown sooner rather than later the less mixing the better.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Sam (12th Feb 2021 - 22:55:33) Gareth, The trick you tried to pull is "Lockdowns are about the vulnerable" and your later argument attempts to follow that false statement, meaning the rest of your statement isn’t worth reading as it’s already wrong. No one (qualified) has stated lock downs are about the vulnerable, in fact most bannered statements actually say protect the NHS. Please don’t arrive here with The Daily Mail style reasoning and expect to receive The Times etc type brains to agree with you. Don’t attempt to fake it, don’t tell us that a table has 4 legs therefore this cat is a table! your not addressing fools Get back in your lane, and stop spouting nonsense.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Ian (13th Feb 2021 - 07:27:31) It’s clear from some of the replies here that some people just simply do not like being told what to do. There is a line of argument that one of the contributing factors in the Uk having such an appalling death rate due to covid has been the behaviour of significant proportions of our society who because they don’t agree with the lockdown simply ignore it! They seem to think their individual rights are more important than the rights of the community and if this line of argument is taken to the extreme our society is in peril. Regardless of whether you think the lockdown is unnecessary the restrictions are the law at the moment, just follow them and hopefully we can have a more normal Easter and Summer holidays

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Don (13th Feb 2021 - 09:38:17) As it happens I am myself a parent so I think I understand the frustrations this Pandemic is causing many. I am desperate for life to get back to normal for our family I am desperate for my children to see their grandparents, aunties, uncles and cousins. I am desperate for my children to get back to school to have a full education. I am desperate for my children to go round to their friends houses I am desperate for my children to have their friends come round to our house I am desperate to take my children out to try Guidos I am desperate for my children to play with other children in the park I am desperate to take my children to the cinema I am desperate to take my children on the train up to London I am desperate to take my children to Southsea for a walk I am desperate to be able to take them away somewhere during the Easter and Summer holidays These are just a few of the reasons why I will continue to comply fully with the restrictions imposed by Lockdown during half term so that we can get out of this nightmare permanently and move forward with our lives.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (13th Feb 2021 - 10:28:26) D the key: Actually restaurant and pub workers are the biggest risk group in terms of death. Statistically deaths by job reflect that fact that most people who die from covid are male. Teacher deaths are at the national average. So Teachers are statistically not at risk. bbc.co.uk/news/health-55795608 Ian: The majority of UK deaths by setting are in care homes. This reflects the governments inability to protect the elderly in care during the first lockdown. However countries are still under reporting. The China deaths figure is fiction and Spain and France do not include care home deaths. Don’t read the Daily Mail Ian. Or the Times. Sam: We are protecting the NHS after 12 years of under investment has left it ill equipped to deal with covid. The government knows if the NHS does not cope and there are people dying in corridors and waiting in ambulances then they are over. Three quarters of all deaths from Covid are the elderly dying. However the whole of society is lockdown. Therefore the young are sacrificing livelihoods, mental health, childrens education to protect the elderly. What I would like acknowledged is the cost that children in particular are paying. They’re fed up and sad. We must all stay within the law. I happen to think though that the government has made poor decisions on a range if issues - most importantly on children. Evidentially I see no reason why children cannot be mixing, playing at the rec, seeing friends, having fun. And Why can’t you put your surnames down? Editor: If people were forced to put surnames down maybe they’d be more courteous and we’d have left name calling?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Penny Williamson (13th Feb 2021 - 11:17:22) The assumptions made by some people on this site never cease to amaze as in the case of Gareth J Rees when he assumed that the OP Don was old and whatever Rob thinks, 48 is not considered old. It is apparent from some posters that anyone who advocates the wisdom of obeying the lockdown rules is old. That is simply not true and this is clearly demonstrated in Don’s post when he lists all the things he is “desperate” to do but realizes that at the moment if we do not adhere to the guidelines and reduce the rate of infections, the lockdown will continue. The only reason why this lockdown and the two before that, were implemented is because the scientists advised the Government that if the rate of infections and deaths continued to rise, the NHS would not be able to cope. Until this changes and the scientists think that the NHS can cope the lockdown will prevail. Gareth J Rees you say no one should break the law – well that goes without saying, but you also say that young families should not be told what to do. How does that compute? If anyone breaks the law young or old they most certainly should be told what to do and depending on the seriousness, should be held to account. Are you suggesting we become a lawless society because people should not be asked to comply with the law. It very much sounds like it. You say children do not spread the virus which is rubbish. However if you really think they don’t and it is a proven fact, why are the schools not fully open? Parent, the OP’s name is Don not Dom and he was not pointing a finger at all parents. He was making a plea for restraint a little while longer even though, as he said, this lockdown has been extremely challenging. Gareth J Rees you obviously have a problem with older people clearly demonstrated by your sarcastic and unnecessary remark “For the older posters on here you can get more facts following this link. Don’t forget your glasses” I did open the link and like everything else to do with Covid the evidence was not conclusive. I Googled “Questions and answers on COVID-19: Children aged 1 – 18 years and the role of school settings” and this is a section: “No evidence has been found to suggest that children or educational settings are the primary drivers of SARS-CoV-2 virus transmission. However, research has shown that children can become infected, and can spread the virus to other children and adults while they are infectious.”

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - David (13th Feb 2021 - 12:38:09) @Gareth, what complete arrogance!! to quote you - "Evidentially I see no reason why children cannot be mixing, playing at the rec, seeing friends, having fun." Well here is one - "it is against the law" Also I can think of over 100,000 other reasons.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - John Smith (13th Feb 2021 - 12:58:21) Putting your full name doesn't make your nonsense any more credible

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - passfield resident (13th Feb 2021 - 15:13:49) Gareth- "teachers are statistically not at risk". Again, what on earth are you on about?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (13th Feb 2021 - 17:10:27) Passfield resident: (very brave of you to post with such a name) The death by occupation show that teachers deaths are at the national average. Males who work in restaurants and pubs and males who work in factory settings are the two jobs at the top of covid deaths by job if you follow the link. So surely they should be vaccinated first? There is a separate argument that says public sector workers should be vaccinated first. I’m not sure I agree with that personally. Penny Williamson:The data presented by the royal society of paediatricians is clear that there is little or no risk to children. You clearly didn’t read it. There is also no evidence that children can spread covid. All I am saying is why isn’t that being taken into consideration by the government? Why can’t kids go to the rec, play and have fun? For their own mental health. And yes. I do have a problem with the elderly on this website. You are as a group breathtakingly selfish. And spectacularly ungrateful at the sacrifices made by the younger generation in Liphook. AIl the young in liphook aren’t dealing drugs or compacting the snow on sledges in an evil and malicious attempt to trip up the elderly.(Jeeez) David ‘no surname’ presumably 'Lionheart': It’s not arrogant. I respect the law. I just don’t agree with it. I respect lots of things that I don’t agree with. The Tories, Brexit etc. What I’m saying is kids don’t spread it, when they do get it they get very mild symptoms so why aren’t they at school, and why can’t we allow kids to meet up?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Ian (13th Feb 2021 - 17:57:16) Gareth, you seem to be a bit dim, the reason kids cannot meet up this half term is that there is currently a lockdown which is mandated in law. You say you respect the law so it should be quite simple for you to understand (providing you are not intellectually stunted) In accordance with the law kids cannot meet each other at the moment.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Penny Williamson (13th Feb 2021 - 18:07:23) Gareth J Rees What part of "However, research has shown that children can become infected, and can spread the virus to other children and adults while they are infectious.”" do you not understand? Would you please explain your statement "You (the elderly) are as a group breathtakingly selfish. And spectacularly ungrateful at the sacrifices made by the younger generation in Liphook." How are the elderly being selfish - they are not making the rules - they cannot help dying and in some cases very horribly. It is not just the young who have been making sacrifices - everyone has been making sacrifices and everyone I talk to young, middle aged or old are experiencing in varying degrees, stress and isolation. So please stop talking rubbish.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Penny Williamson (13th Feb 2021 - 18:17:23) Gareth J Rees Thought you might be interested to read this - BBC News 31 minutes ago and please don't start on BBC bias. "Boris Johnson has said he is "optimistic" he will be able to set out plans later this month for a "cautious" easing of England's lockdown. The prime minister said "huge progress" had been made with the rollout of vaccines, with ministers hopeful that schools can reopen from 8 March. After this, the government would look to open non-essential shops and then later the hospitality sector, he said. It comes as scientists warned against easing lockdown measures too quickly." Please note the context of the last sentence ie what the scientists are saying but perhaps you know better.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - D the key (13th Feb 2021 - 18:52:48) Gareth, I really don't think the young are making sacrifices for the old, or the old for the young, or any other social group. We are all suffering and having to give things up, we are all in this together and must deal with it as best we can. You have made comments about "old" people before and I personally think you have some agenda. Using our current situation as an opportunity to drive a wedge between the young and the old of Liphook fools no-one. Us old people (well I am over fifty) can see straight through it. However, if I had children at school now I would be lobbying my M.P., school governors and E.H.D.C. with a view to reforming our antiquated school holidays, which date back to an agricultural economy in order to recover the lost school time children have suffered over the past year. My grandfather gave six years of his life fighting World War II, and suffered what we now call post traumatic stress for the rest of his life. He never complained once. In the politest possible way, stop whining and being so selfish. Happy sledging.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - passfield resident (13th Feb 2021 - 19:44:14) Gareth-I'll overlook the insult. I think what you meant to say was that teachers are statistically no more at risk than other groups. I'm making your argument for you because you don't express yourself very clearly. I'm pleased to see the number of other posters on this thread who are echoing my feeling that you don't know what you are talking about and can't explain yourself coherently in any case.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (13th Feb 2021 - 19:50:28) D the key (really?just tell us your name): Staggering comment. You don’t think that younger families are paying a high price compared to the old. Well. You’re just wrong. Because they are. Statistically they’ll get mild versions of covid. Whereas over 70s have a much higher chance of death. Yet financially young families lives are on hold and packed with uncertainty for the future to protect the old. Ian no surname presumably ‘Braveheart’: Try and play the ball, not the man. You’re not moving the argument further by calling me names. I understand kids cannot meet. It’s against the law. I’m saying I don’t agree with it. Penny Williamson: It seems I agree with you on nothing. But thank you for at least posting with your surname and standing by your opinions without name calling. Research though isn’t evidence. Absolutely all of the evidence says kids can get infected. But they get mild symptoms. There is no evidence to say that they spread it. None. (Google gives you information. Not knowledge.) So Why can’t kids go to school now? Why can’t kids play with friends now? My point is that the young are taking a massive hit for the old with covid. And: 1. I don’t see a lot of thanks being given to kids 2. This is an incredibly painful hit for children in terms of mental health, sadness and regression When the kids do eventually get back to school there are going to be lots of them still feeling sad. I just hope that they are eased in gently. That they are allowed to play and that they have some sort of forum to get to talk about how they feel way before schools launch at them with catch up. However We have fireplace salesman in charge of education in the United Kingdom

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Sam Harper (13th Feb 2021 - 20:08:44) Gareth, 1. Surname, included 2. You never provide alternatives? like a bar of soap you seek to slip away! Your argument is just (End Lock Down) we don't need you to list the impacts of lock down, we know mate... WE KNOW! What we DON'T know is what is your ALTERNATIVE ? As I have already shown with YOUR facts 1.3 million over 70's die with your end lock down idea (x10 times that that have already died) Do tell us please... tell us clearly your brilliant idea that means less or equal people die that does not include a lock down? ... if you have no alternative and insist on repeating stuff we already KNOW.... then GO AWAY !!

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (13th Feb 2021 - 22:57:23) Sam Harper: I think I'm clear in what I'm saying. Let the kids go back to school. Allow kids to play in small groups. It will make kids happy and alleviate mental health problems in children. As there is currently no evidence that suggest kids spread covid or are dying from covid. That's it. Did you skip your dinner this evening Sam?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Joe Everyman (14th Feb 2021 - 07:28:53) Gareth, your opinions on here do not become more palatable just by adding your surname. You accuse posters of being rude whilst making rude comments and assumptions about others on here. We are all sad due to lockdown. There are people living alone with no support from anywhere, whose mental health is possibly far more affected than those living in a family group.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - D the key (14th Feb 2021 - 07:37:33) Gareth, in the November lockdown when schools remained open the infection and death rates continued to increase. The lockdown a year ago when schools were closed the infection and death rates went right down, one day in the summer only one person died of covid. The current lockdown with schools closed is also seeing a decline in infection and death rates. The prime minister referred to schools as "vectors of transmission." I know we all like to think of our offspring as the greatest ever gift to humanity but at the moment, as with all of us, they are on a par with plague infested rats.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Sam (14th Feb 2021 - 07:48:58) Gareth, You have been anything but clear throughout, backed into your own corner now you have finally defended yourself with the kids card. But this isn’t how you opened your opinions here was it? You started by throwing accusations about older people, then blowing your head off, followed by how your happy for millions to die as long a the kids get more freedom. You don’t want a solution, what you want is some parts of society thrown to their deaths in favour of others. It’s this theme the rest of us are countering you about. Ie you’re alternative to lockdown that’s taken you days to reveal is still nonsense! And what’s the dinner comment about? Are you ok?

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - AF (14th Feb 2021 - 10:27:38) Gareth I agree with you. One of the few people on Liphook Talkback to talk sense. My opinion is with the vaccine to vulnerable groups which make up 99% of deaths due to be completed by 15 Feb we should end lockdown on 1 March. Now that may lead to an increase in infections but as all the people likely to need hospitalisation or die will be vaccinated and either not get ill or only mild symptoms that does not matter.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Jen (14th Feb 2021 - 14:31:35) "Re: Half term - Covid restraint - AF (14th Feb 2021 �10:27:38) Gareth I agree with you. One of the few people on Liphook Talkback to talk sense. My opinion is with the vaccine to vulnerable groups which make up 99% of deaths due to be completed by 15 Feb we should end lockdown on 1 March. Now that may lead to an increase in infections but as all the people likely to need hospitalisation or die will be vaccinated and either not get ill or only mild symptoms that does not matter." Re the above ^. Unfortunately AF, it DOES matter if we allow the virus to continue spreading and cases remain high, even though the degree of illness may be less severe. The reason it matters is because that scenario would be too dangerous in that it would provide too much opportunity for the virus to create new mutations, some of which could be either more virulent or have a higher transmission rate than the current known variants. The greatest risk would be that one or more of the new variants is able to bypass the current vaccines and infect people who have already been vaccinated. If that were to happen, we would be right back to square one and in the same position as we were a year ago. We need to reach a point where the actual incidence of infection is sufficiently low for mutations to have little opportunity to develop.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Penny Williamson (14th Feb 2021 - 15:54:08) Oh the relief of reading a really intelligent post from Jen. Thank you. AF and Gareth J Rees I suggest you both read Jen's post, inwardly digest and understand. I but repeat what has been said by so many and so many times - no one likes lockdown - we are in lockdown because it was apparent that with the high hospital admissions and it is irrelevant whether the admissions are young or old people, the NHS was near to breaking point and unable to cope - the vast majority of people of all ages are feeling isolated, stressed and depressed. The sooner this awful disease is under control the better and that means everyone co-operating and abiding by the rules.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Ian (14th Feb 2021 - 18:25:53) AF and Gareth probably both think that Trump won the US election as well !!!!

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - D the key (14th Feb 2021 - 19:42:43) When I read some of the stuff here it makes me so glad we have educated politicians running the country and not extras from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (14th Feb 2021 - 22:08:41) Ditto Jen and AF. Nice to read some reasoning. I'm not sure what the right thing to do is on lockdown. I just want kids not to have carry so much weight from it. And Ian I'm very glad, like the rest of the world, that Biden won. You're clearly a very confident man Ian. Well done.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - D the key (15th Feb 2021 - 07:27:50) Reasoning, Gareth Jrees? Your arguments are flimsy and irregular, lurching from one issue to another when the former fails. You are trying to stir up division between the old and young of Liphook presenting the old as some sort of incumberance (whatever your definition of "old" is, 30 perhaps?) You bleat about your concerns for your children's mental health yet you risk their very lives in allowing them to toboggan on the twistiest, narrowest road in Liphook. You present yourself not so much as a reasoning human being but more as a selfish, ranting individual with no concern for anyone but himself. Very much in the style of Adolf Hitler making his impassioned public addresses at the Nuremberg rallies. Where, in 1946, his views and doctrines died on the gallows.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (15th Feb 2021 - 15:03:58) Erm. Hitler comparisons? Editor? What are you doing? Sledging is still not illegal on a road. And for the record I allowed my kids to sledge on a quiet cul de sac. Not on main roads. As on a main road that would be silly IMO. But. Not illegal.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Donald (15th Feb 2021 - 15:46:31) Whereas Gareth letting you kids freely mix this half term during lockdown would be illegal

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Kal (15th Feb 2021 - 16:59:58) Gareth are you the numpty who let their kids make the steep road at Weylands Close so treacherous for our cars. Derrrrrr bird brain of Britain gold star mate :)

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - gareth j rees (15th Feb 2021 - 21:31:12) No.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - David (17th Feb 2021 - 17:13:03) Thank goodness for the rain, everyone will be staying in (except Gareth who will no doubt let his kids go round to their mates and also have their mates come round to his!)

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - Penny Williamson (18th Feb 2021 - 13:16:47) I think one of the main reasons that the Government, on the advice of the scientists, is being so very cautious in relaxing Lockdown Guidelines, is because they know that if they are not there will be some people pushing the boundaries and bending the new and more relaxed guidelines. The Government cannot risk another spike in infections and hospitalisations which could lead to another Lockdown. If everyone could be relied upon to be sensible, to think of others and more importantly to think, just because I can do something, should I do it, I think the relaxing of rules would come much more quickly.

Re: Half term - Covid restraint - rolli (18th Feb 2021 - 15:49:20) General Public,... sensible? not going to happen, just look at some of the posts here

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