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Mother Nature Speaks - Millie (3rd Nov 2020  08:17:13) Throughout the history of humankind we have defiled nature so it's not surprising she fights back every now and then. Science and politicians will not defeat Coronovirus as it is natures way of telling us enough is enough. There is a reason that Covid mostly takes the old and infirm as through science alone we are living unnaturally long lives. It is natural for species that are withered and old to be cut away to allow the young to grow and flourish, it is Mother Natures way. This pandemic is natures way of trying to restore the balance, we need to embrace this to thrive the way nature intends

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Penny Williamson (3rd Nov 2020  09:00:29) Mother Nature got it wrong in 1919 then when Spanish Flu killed the young and not the old and this was after a punishing war which killed millions of young men.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - James (3rd Nov 2020  09:06:26) What a load of nonsense.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Keith (3rd Nov 2020  09:45:14) Nonsense? Possibly........ however...... We have been trashing the planet for 250 years and we are now at the tipping point of needing radical changes to save the planet from It’s destruction by humans. So, let’s say that there is a Mother Nature and consider what she might do in these circumstances. Our entire society works around a cycle of three things ..... Production, Consumption and Profit and it’s been that way ever since the invention of the plough. We make things, we buy things and money is made to make more things. In addition, as humans we have a basic need for Human contact and socialising. So, if you were Mother Nature and wanted to do something about the destruction of the planet what could be more perfect than to disrupt everything that we need to exist? No work, no earnings, no profit, and starved of human contact. Am I as mad as Millie? Possibly. But there again ......

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - rolli (3rd Nov 2020  13:30:24) good point Keith, and if we look at it in another way: God in biblical times inflicted floods and other catastrophic events on human kind, is he once again at the end of his tether with us? After all, we have voted in the likes of Trump, Boris, Macron etc to lead us

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Penny Williamson (3rd Nov 2020  15:51:20) Here’s another thought – Keith says that we have been trashing the planet (true) and Mother Nature has intervened. Rolli says that it may be God as he has inflicted floods and other catastrophic events on human kind (true we have had floods and disasters but whether they are inflicted by God who knows). But how about “pay back time” by the animals because of the way they have been treated by humans over thousands of years. The five epidemics/pandemics below have all been caused by animal viruses mutating to humans and Ghandi said ““The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” THE BLACK DEATH thought to have started in Asia in 1347 and lasted until 1351 – 75-200 million people died. Cause – Fleas living on Black Rats SARS 2002 Virus thought to have originated in bats to civets to humans – started in China EBOLA 1976 Virus is animal-borne with bats or nonhuman primates (chimpanzees, apes, monkeys, etc.) being the most likely source. Not sure where it started from but it is most prevalent in Africa BIRD FLU 1996 Originated in geese and mutated to humans in 1997 – started in China. And now COVID 19 thought to have originated from China in Wuhan from the indescribably and horribly cruel “wet” markets 2019.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - D (3rd Nov 2020  16:42:34) I agree with Millie and Keith wholeheartedly. I think a lot of it is also as a species we aren't that clean. Despite our personal hygiene sewage is still being poured into the sea and rubbish still being dumped in holes in the ground. The Black Death, The Plague and the cholera epidemic in the nineteenth century were all caused by filth. We've only ourselves to blame.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - D (3rd Nov 2020  17:06:17) Rolli, if it is God he must be really cheesed off with us, even HIS house is closed.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Penny Williamson (3rd Nov 2020  17:43:41) Yes I agree D it is due to filth. The filthy, disgusting way in which animals are kept and harvested particularly by the Chinese. Sars, Bird Flu and now Covid 19 all originated from China. The reason I didn’t mention Cholera is because this is not directly caused by infected animals per se. It is thought to come from contaminated water systems and sewage - again humans are responsible. HIV originated from Africa – from humans coming into contact with chimpanzee's infected blood when they hunted them. "Pay back" time.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - John (3rd Nov 2020  18:57:08) Penny, British farmers keep pigs in disgusting conditions treat them cruelly, they also keep chickens in sheds full of disease and boot the half living chickens around like footballs. All this China is this and China is that is a load of west v east propaganda, the only high standards we British have are from Brussels and those will go out the chlorinated window pretty soon. On the subject of pandemics, there will be more of them and this is in part to overpopulation and the miss treatment of the environment. Am in no way a leftie, but capitalism’s requirement for more and more money is driving the world into a mess.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Paul Robinson (4th Nov 2020  09:04:40) I do so agree. Mother nature has been in conversation at length with those willing souls of Liphook in Bloom who tend the beds all year round in the village. And those who clear the weeds and Himalayan Balsam along the River Wey as part of the River Way Trust and those who regularly pick litter from the parks and verges along the roads and public areas. And those who record the history of this parish as part of the Heritage Centre. And those who remember the fallen youth of two world wars I think mother nature would be impressed by those grey haired warriors, and worry about those who could, and should shoulder these responsibilities in the years to come.. Paul Robinson

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Alfredos Jones (4th Nov 2020  10:20:18) Living things!!

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - er (4th Nov 2020  11:54:55) Mother Nature speaks? Well I suppose she is a Greek Goddess, was it her or her mum Gaia who ate too many pomegranates and caused winter to be so cold, can never remember, and I thought we were just a bunch of greedy organisms floating on a lonely rock battling for supremacy with all the other greedy organisms, in a futile exercise of survival of the fittest. Don't forget, when we speak of the natural world, that we are nature too! I'm going to take my offering to the seat of the goddess now and see if she will speak to me too since it seems we've all rediscovered our old faith, can we build a temple in Radford Park ha ha

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Ian (4th Nov 2020  12:28:48) er - I believe it was Persephone who ate too many pomegranates (just the seeds). She is the daughter of Zeus and Demeter so that maakes her great grandaughter of Gaia through Rhea her grandmother, Zeus' and Demeters' mother!

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Penny Williamson (4th Nov 2020  13:48:21) John we do have an RSPCA and if you know the people who are mistreating pigs and chickens like this report it. Have you ever been to a Chinese Wet Market? I have and I have never got over it. Go there when this pandemic is over and see for yourself and then you will see what real cruelty is.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - RM (4th Nov 2020  14:43:10) John you do talk a load of rubbish . Our farmers are the best in the World they work to all the rules from the EU not like France their Farmers force feed geese , keep calf’s in crates for veal The EU eat loads of Offal . The sooner we leave the better and let our Farmers feed the Nation . Fisherman can then take back our waters Grimsby used to be the largest Fishing Port in the World until the EU took it all away.Now because we are taking back our waters the French Fisherman are going to Blockade the Ports They catch 80% of their fish in our waters which destroyed our Fishing Now they don’t like it with the boot on the other foot. Just Don’t talk to me about the EU the Biggest Mistake we ever made was joining in the first place.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - MJR (4th Nov 2020  17:51:37) Paul Robinson's post is excellent. The post emphasises the importance of ensuring that our elderly residents, especilly those who are able and willing to volunteer in our community, are given full recognition. This includes full NHS health care.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - D (5th Nov 2020  07:19:54) Best farmers in the world? All the nearest farmer to me wants to do is sell his land for housing. To quote himself:- "Anything's for sale at the right price, innit?"

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Penny Williamson (5th Nov 2020  08:59:39) D The quote "Anything's for sale at the right price, innit?" doesn't just apply to farmers.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Penny Williamson (5th Nov 2020  09:42:35) Well said Paul Robinson.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - Ian (5th Nov 2020  10:25:07) some are missing the point; without agreeing with everything in the OP the point is our future is our young who need to be nurtured and giving space to thrive. People understandably keep banging on about the aged and their vulnerability but our youth and their well being are our future and are probably the most important section of our society at the moment

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - RM (5th Nov 2020  10:33:14) Yes Paul Robinson on the Button.

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - er (5th Nov 2020  10:53:09) Denmark and Finland, Mink Farms and a new strain of Coronavirus! Just to dispel the myth that somehow British farmers have lower standards than the EU: UK standards, whilst far from perfect, are renowned and known to be higher than most of Asia (where it is often poor, cruel and unhygienic). Africa is very hit and miss, although they use a lot less pesticide and intensive meat farming than us at the moment, this is rapidly changing and they are moving in the wrong direction. We know that our standards are much better than the US, hence people's worries about what happens after we leave the EU! So what about the mythical EU? Here is something shocking I read today: news.yahoo.com/denmark-cull-entire-herd-mink... Denmark, EU, world's biggest intensive farmers of mink for coats across the world, a cruel trade banned in most civilised nations, a trade that should no longer exist, but is I guess too lucrative for the EU to ban, they have been warned since June to cull their infected mink carrying a dangerous new mutation of the coronavirus that threatens the globe, why did the EU NOT act sooner (if at all)? Guess where most of the mink ends up? The US and China, the Middle East and the world's tax havens, around the necks of trophy wives and girlfriends and the odd wrinkled old mutton! Please don't compare Britain unfavourably to the EU until you read what Peta has to say about the mink farms in Finland (ps an organisation I don't always see eye to eye with): 'immunosuppressed animals are confined to cramped wire cages' 'When it comes to the public health risk they pose, fur farms packed with sick, stressed, and injured animals are no different from wet markets' etc peta.org.uk/media/news-releases/covid-19-cases-in-minks... The EU is not better than the UK, you can't even justify mink farming by saying it feeds people!

Re: Mother Nature Speaks - RM (5th Nov 2020  11:39:29) Thanks er for your post very true.It makes my blood boil when people keep on knocking this country if they don’t like it then move to the EU.

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