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Another Lockdown - AF (31st Oct 2020  20:34:18) Another lockdown. What a mistake the scientists have their way again. This may reduce the spread temporarily and then when it's released we will then get a third wave. The result of the lockdown will be more deaths as a side effect of lockdown, more MH issues including suicides, more deaths from heart issues and cancers as people are too scared to go to hospital or their treatment halted. What needs to be done is open up the nightingale hospitals for Covid and get it staffed by the armed forces medics and med students with adequate training and leave the current hospitals to carry on with normal work. Not to mention the extra damage being done to the economy and more job losses. This is a disease that primarily effects the elderly and infirm so yes protect them but let the rest of the country carry on, I personally won't be affected as I've already had COVID so it's unlikely I'll get it again, and my job is unaffected so I'll carry on working and going to work on empty trains which I have to say is an improvement.

Re: Another Lockdown - David Lawrence (31st Oct 2020  21:19:27) your an idiot

Re: Another Lockdown - Andy (31st Oct 2020  22:09:12) Totally agree. This disease is here for life so need to just get on with it. Like the rest of the coronavirus family and other life threatening illnesses.(which you hear nothing about) Until a vaccination is available it won’t settle down. Iv worked visiting 100s peoples homes since March and Iv never caught it nor have they!!!!!!

Re: Another Lockdown - D (1st Nov 2020  07:27:05) AF, given your expertise why wasn't it YOU on telly this evening?

Re: Another Lockdown - D (1st Nov 2020  08:29:29) I do agree with AF about opening the Nightingale field hospitals. This way the risk of infection in hospitals is kept at a minimum and as AF says it would lessen the disruption to other life saving treatments for other conditions. I also agree with AF's suggestion of using the R.A.M.C. to staff these field hospitals. I would involve Her Majesty's Forces beyond this. We've all seen the irresponsible pub-goers on T.V. openly flouting the social distancing rules and making a mockery of the 22:00 hrs closing time. Would they do this if faced by troops with rubber bullets? I think not. We should have troops on the streets making sure the lockdown measures are being adhered to, the police have enough to do as it is. I think most objection to lockdown is aimed at pub closures. Well, when a pub serves a small slice of pizza and calls it a "substantial meal" I think they've bought it on themselves. As for protecting the economy, how many young people would give their life to protect the economy if they found themselves on a ventilator?

Re: Another Lockdown - Ian (1st Nov 2020  09:42:03) Really D, troops on the streets with rubber bullets! What a crass stupid thing to say.

Re: Another Lockdown - IGS (1st Nov 2020  12:35:29) Some perspective! Having lockdown imposed again on us is a drag and I know a lot of us are feeling really hard done by. In 1916 conscription was introduced in Britain for many young men aged in their 20’s and 30’s who were then sent to France and on the whim of politicians and aristocratic generals told to run across a muddy field to be machine gunned en masse! ‘Lest we forget’ !

Re: Another Lockdown - Sue (1st Nov 2020  12:40:46) Boris hasnt got it quite right still.Just how he came to those decisions is a mystery [ not a question though ]. Agree the Nightingales should be used as isolation hospitals,as they did historically eg TB. Use the forces to staff them rather than recruit,retrain those in retirement. We should have had a curfew in place along side the 10pm closures,and have managed the hospitality with this instead of full closure for this sector. Other countries eg Spain and France brought in the curfew weeks ago...to stop partying on the streets after closing hours. As for the 'rubber bullet' quote,there are a range of tactics,available,but use the Armed forces to clear those who break the curfew etc. the little darlings may think again faced with that !,rather than a P.C.being all 'too nice'. Check out the BBC video clip in Nottingham amongst others demonstrating reckless unlawful behaviour.

Re: Another Lockdown - D (1st Nov 2020  13:13:09) Ian, as crass and stupid as suggesting that one day every pub; club; theatre; cinema; stadium and every other public venue in the country will be closed and none of us will be allowed to have friends visit. We have had troops using rubber bullets in the United Kingdom before, it's nothing new.

Re: Another Lockdown - Fran (1st Nov 2020  13:42:43) Destruction of the economy incoming. I hope everyone has had plenty of children because pensions are toast.

Re: Another Lockdown - Ian (1st Nov 2020  15:40:58) d- public execution not new either but don’t want a return to that either. Add ignorant to you crass and stupid ideas

Re: Another Lockdown - D (1st Nov 2020  15:53:45) As usual, Ian, all you can do is insult people.

Re: Another Lockdown - Ian (1st Nov 2020  17:58:58) D, your a big person (gender neutral to keep the snowflakes happy) so you should be able to take the odd insult which is probably a lot less harmful than being shot by a rubber bullet! (Do some research and look up how many fatalities from these lovely things)

Re: Another Lockdown - Jane (1st Nov 2020  22:12:07) The "Lets get on with it" arguement leads to the overwhelming of the NHS with masses of people Covid or other illnesses dying as a result of not being able to receive any treatment, it leads to medical staff having to pick whom to treat and whom they cant, those they cant just die without as much as a NHS bed to sit on or a medical professional having ever had the time to see them. Success against a pandemic looking backwards will always look like we overreacted, we went in too early. Some of you are assisting in this disaster by your comments and thoughts.

Re: Another Lockdown - D (1st Nov 2020  22:31:15) Ian, are you the bloke who sits on the pavement outside the pub swigging from a bottle shouting abuse at passer's by?

Re: Another Lockdown - Ian (2nd Nov 2020  08:17:44) , no, just the person that highlights crassness and stupidity on Talkback, hence my regular engagement with you!

Re: Another Lockdown - D (2nd Nov 2020  09:02:58) Ian, your constant negative nit-picking and criticisms of other people's contributions, rather than engaging in civil conversation, puts people off using websites such as this. People who may have a very valuable contribution to make or even valuable information to share. Your toxic negativity benefits no-one.

Re: Another Lockdown - Ian (2nd Nov 2020  10:32:08) D, just because you don’t agree with me does not mean you are right! Stop trying to curtail my freedom of opinion

Re: Another Lockdown - rolli (2nd Nov 2020  11:30:06) Its not another lockdown! its just increased restriction measures. Kids still at school, many businesses still open, unlimited outdoor exercise allowed; by no stretch of the imagination is it a lockdown

Re: Another Lockdown - Penny Williamson (2nd Nov 2020  13:53:03) AF There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection. The development of immunity to a pathogen through natural infection is a multi-step process. The only reason for this present restricted Lockdown and for the previous more draconian one is when the scientists advise Ministers that if the current trend of infections morphing into deaths continues the National Health will not be able to cope – nothing more or less. I am sure that the Nightingale hospitals will be utilised and that nursing staff and doctors will be recruited as they were in the March lockdown when retired nurses and doctors returned to work. Your comment about the elderly, infirm and vulnerable has been made so many times it is becoming boring. BTW you forget to mention the obese and there are many young people including children who are obese. We know people at risk must take extra care which I am sure they do. However they do still have to mix with other people as well – for instance visit to the doctors, hospital, carers etc. – they cannot be isolated indefinitely. The reason for this surge of infections is not only the time of year when viruses flourish, but the stupidity and utter selfishness of some people who seem to think that Covid-19 does not exist, at least not for them. Never mind that they might pass it on to others. There are many people who behave sensibly and considerately ie respecting social distancing and wearing masks where appropriate. However I am referring to the idiots who attend raves, who crowd into pubs, who have been seen hugging and kissing each other, I could go on. You must have seen all the media coverage – blatant disregard for rules and guidelines. Those are the people who are largely responsible for our present predicament.

Re: Another Lockdown - Jennifer (2nd Nov 2020  15:05:45) Jane, I hear you - BUT if we keep forcing businesses to close and forking out billions in furlough pay, it won't matter if the NHS is overwhelmed or not - because there won't actually be a viable NHS anyway when the country is bankrupt!! We cannot continue like this. I am in agreement with the OP!

Re: Another Lockdown - Penny Williamson (2nd Nov 2020  17:42:45) Jane The government is not forcing business to close – they are trying to get the number of Covid infections and deaths under control which are rising as I write. What would you rather have people dying in corridors of hospitals and ambulances or worse still long and painful deaths in their own homes because hospital doors are closed, because that is what will happen if the numbers go on rising. People are acting as though we are the only country going into Lockdown – look at France, Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal – all in the same boat. This is a global pandemic and our government has been more generous than any other western government in payouts, literally billions of ÂŁÂŁÂŁ. Rishi Sunak said right at the beginning that he could not save every job and every business. I go back to my original post, if people acted more responsibly and heeded the government guidelines we would not be in this mess. Did you see the scenes in Nottingham and Bristol recently and they were not the only areas? Only one word springs to mind and I won’t write it on this Forum. With regard to the original poster I would not take too much notice of someone who doesn’t even get his facts right – he said that “I personally won't be affected as I've already had COVID so it's unlikely I'll get it again”. There is no scientific evidence that if one has already had Covid you are unlikely to get it again. In fact people have had two infections. If you do have an immunity after catching Covid, and not everyone does, the scientists have stated that this only lasts for maybe a few weeks/months and the older you are the shorter the time.

Re: Another Lockdown - Steve (2nd Nov 2020  18:03:21) The debate between the two sides of this issue has now been raging for approaching 9 months and very similar arguments are taking place in most other European countries. Whilst powerful points have been made on both sides I fear that the debate is rather pointless as the rights and wrongs of the government's strategy are completely overwhelmed the simple fact that the potential consequences of allowing the virus to more or less take its course are politically unacceptable. Faced with the same advice.from the scientific community, pretty well any tenable alternative prime minister would feel forced to adopt a similar approach. Yes the damage behind done to the economy and the collateral damage to peoples well being and livelihoods are serious problems but they are problems that can be pushed down the road for another day whereas the consequences of the kind being flagged by the 'experts' are immediate. Some people obviously consider this blackest scenario to be exaggerated and of course they could be right but, with respect, they wouldn't be in the firing line if the advice turned out to be correct and the NHS was overwhelmed. In that event any prime minister who had ignored the scientific advice would worry more about avoiding being lynched than being re-elected!

Re: Another Lockdown - er (2nd Nov 2020  18:32:18) The lockdown is a sad but necessary medicine. To put things into perspective, the government is funding 80% of wages and making massive grants and interest free loans to see businesses through this difficult time, so viable business will survive. Payment holidays of 6 months (in addition to the last payment holiday) on mortgages, freedom from eviction etc, this is being very well managed. So far this has cost us something around ÂŁ500 billion which sounds a lot, but a lot of it is repayable loans, even the furlough money is taxable! Total UK debt has risen to around ÂŁ2 trillion which freaks out most ordinary folk. Till you realise: UK national GDP is nearly ÂŁ3 trillion per annum (that's our annual income). So, to put into perspective our national debt is quite low. The equivalent of someone on ÂŁ30k a year having a ÂŁ20k mortgage on their house. A gearing of 0.66% or 2/3 of annual pay. When most of us have a gearing of 4 or 5 times annual pay and think little of it, it's quite normal to have high borrowing. So, the UK has relatively low borrowing, is in no danger of not meeting it's obligations and it's debt rating is AAA, probably far better than most of us are or ever were, plus we are saving lives and hopefully, helping win the war on the virus!

Re: Another Lockdown - Jane (2nd Nov 2020  20:45:17) Enough of this no economy capitalism bankrupt nonsense please !!! The economy dropped 15% ! Look it up, then minus 15% from 100% to leave 85% then ask yourself what that 85% is? Yes a working economy still plugging away in the background, yes losing 15% is bad, very bad but some of you are raving around like we are at 0%. I don’t know a single person, friend or neighbour etc whom has so far lost a single pound and or not been able to work effectively remotely or other. Yes if you job is based on crowds of people then it’s bad. For now Get an actual grip of yourself if your coming on here telling us a recession in the capitalist sense (which is what this is) is far worse than people dying in hospital car parks in a queue of other people also dying without treatment... Get an actual severe grip of yourself !!

Re: Another Lockdown - Debbie (3rd Nov 2020  09:29:10) Hi there That’s what I have been saying about opening up the Covid hospitals the government had put into place About patients with Covid being cared for in them to free up the hospitals for patients that need to go in . I been saying this since they first opened them !!!! Not rocket science is it !!!

Re: Another Lockdown - James (3rd Nov 2020  19:06:22) As per usual talkback has not surprised me. D, As you mentioned rubber bullets these are less lethal not non-lethal, a review published in 2017, covered 1984 injuries, of these it found that 300 of those people suffered a permanent disability, a further 53 people died from the use of rubber bullets. Pubs can do the bare minimum to meet the requirements, this problem is not just on the pubs but the government too. As per usual, D is speaking nonsense. The point is this government are not committed to their plans, they keep changing their words and then blaming a certain group not themselves for their stupidity. For example, 21st September advisors said an immediate 'circuit breaker' was required to control the virus, a month later cases have risen and now we are only just going into a knock off version of a lockdown.

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