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kids - D (15th Aug 2020  11:40:43) Just wanting to add that I'm hoping Jane is right about the kids on the rec and they were kids from liphook! As we had another eventful last night by the millennium centre last night with kids and their music full blast shouting and screaming. Although I believe these particular kids were not from liphook! Residents round here obviously have had enough and it all kicked off last night ending in police being called! I'm all for kids having fun but that level of noise at gone midnight is disrespectful & they were being very rude when asked to go home!

Re: kids - John (15th Aug 2020  15:33:44) These kids / adults were in Radford park last Saturday night. Could clearly be heard until 2am shouting and screaming. Loads litter and glass alcohol/ drug evidence left for us to clear up. Police donā€™t seem to be interested when i reported in the past.

Re: kids - D (15th Aug 2020  16:36:34) its getting ridiculous but these were definitely kids last night round about 16! Police did come last night and were looking for them,not sure what happened after that though

Re: kids - Resident (15th Aug 2020  20:29:22) The police were called last night because these kids attacked and savagely beat a poor man who calmly asked them to keep the noise down. Numerous residents from Midhurst Rd were out trying to calm the situation. The lady running around screaming and swearing at them while filming the entire incident really didnā€™t help and only added more stress to an already overly stressful situation. Shame on you lady!

Re: kids - Al (15th Aug 2020  22:05:15) Always 1 or more with their cams out, crazy. I hope the man who was attacked is OK how awful.

Re: kids - D (15th Aug 2020  22:33:54) yes I saw the whole thing but I didn't see anyone filming it? But I did see the man go and ask them to be quiet and good on him! Also heard all the commotion of the fight round the corner! I hope he is ok.

Re: kids - D (16th Aug 2020  07:53:14) I'm sure it's not the children's fault. They might be from deprived backgrounds, autistic, a.d.h.d. or one of the many other excuses for bad parenting going round these days.

Re: kids - D (16th Aug 2020  12:19:00) obviously 2 d's here that above comment was not me!

Re: kids - Joe (16th Aug 2020  16:26:16) I donā€™t personally know anyone involved with the events that took place on Friday night , however what I have noticed is that there are multiple unreliable narratives flying about. Although the actions of those fighting on Friday night were inexcusable, out and out wrong and unintelligent there has been a clear misrepresentation of what has happened. With COVID-19, teenagers have been left with little to do, which is particularly frustrating especially after completing their exams . They are deserving of a good time, as long as they are respectful, I am aware that music was being played loudly however it was relatively far from houses and on a green as opposed to the corner of an estate or the end of someoneā€™s drive way. These teenagers were asked to turn down there music, if they were asked in a calm and polite way to turn down the music, Iā€™m sure the request would have been granted. However those that wanted the volume lowered asked in a rather confrontational way and spoke in a condescending manner. The teenagers then replied, after being sworn at and threatened,(probably with their own provocative language) it was a Friday night and they were simply trying to enjoy the night and not cause any problems, - punches were then thrown at a boy in the group and after a few swings the boy retailed, others in the group then also joined in. Irresponsible and immature behaviour all round! I am not defending anyone involved however, as an Adult I have picked on the skewed way way these events have been portrayed. I have also noticed clear hypocrisy as some of those now accusing the group as disrespectful and now threatening to come after them for some revenge are often playing there own loud music at night and speaking with raised voices whilst enjoying a beer and a spliff , funny!. (Not that there is anything wrong with that in moderation) , mind you a bit of music might make everyone in the village a bit less miserable. And what harm is a few teenagers having fun on a Friday really doing.... That being said I have seen videos of what happened and I am shocked by the behaviour of the group of teens and disappointed, but it is better that the things leading up to the fight are explained truthfully as well. There is clear toxicity between some adults and youth in this village, which is a shame, and could probably be avoided if people smiled at each other and were a bit more understanding. This could have probably all been avoided! :)

Re: kids - Gill Snedden (17th Aug 2020  10:35:46) The bin in the amphi-theatre area at the Liphook Millennium Centre was set on fire on Friday evening, fortunately there was little damage. We have reported the incident and have got CCTV footage from all around the building.

Re: kids - Grant (17th Aug 2020  11:27:06) Joe you were obviously there as you are giving a full acount of events.

Re: kids - Resident (17th Aug 2020  12:35:38) Joe you seem to have a lot of time on your hands your replyā€™s to a number of threads makes it seem as you no a lot about everything in Liphook. I wonder how long you have lived here and how old you are because some of your posts are quite amusing and very far off the truth in some cases.

Re: kids - De (17th Aug 2020  15:46:47) seriously Joe kids just trying to have fun on a Friday night! After 12 music very loud and they were not just on the green away from houses at all! Do you live here near the constant shouting and music?if i walked around shouting with music up that loud at 16 where I lived then I would of got a slap and rightly deserved it! And if it was my kids out at that time of night shouting etc then they too would deserve a slap!!

Re: kids - Joe (17th Aug 2020  22:30:56) Please be aware that as well as probably several lifetime residents posting, there is more than one poster on here called Joe. I personally have not condoned bad behaviour such as that described above, I mainly post about planning issues.

Re: kids - Joe (18th Aug 2020  10:16:49) Yes Grant I was there, walking my dog on the green in fact, this is my first post on the site also. Joe, I thought I made it quite clear that I was not condoning the behaviour, I did call it ā€˜inexcusableā€™ and ā€˜wrongā€™ however . I hope you all have a wonderful week. :)

Re: kids - er (18th Aug 2020  13:30:30) It does beg the question why are we building more and more rabbit hutches in this urban sprawl of a town with smaller and smaller gardens, where are our teens supposed to go, they don't seem to be included in any plans? Growing up in a city I learned not to go into parks after dark unless mob handed, seriously much worse than Liphook, but (allegedly) I read that a group of teenagers went to find a spot in the middle of the village rec to sit and play music and enjoy a drink on a hot evening, away from all their crowded shoe box house neighbours (I'm guessing they at least thought they were trying not to tread on too many people's toes and avoid confrontation), and yet many householders (all a bit vague) still (allegedly) came out to have a word with them and ask them to keep the noise down (so it must have been quite loud). It sounds like there was quite a crowd there in the end by some accounts, while other people are reported to be (allegedly) filming the skate area and/or park as evidence (evidence of what, being teenagers like we once were, the odd spliff, you really shouldn't need film to know teenagers do that!), meanwhile the local bobbies have gone, it's all a very sad footnote for our ex little village. It's a bit like when people buy a house on a busy main road and then complain it's noisy and want the traffic diverted somewhere else! Did you not notice your house was cheap because it was going to be noisy at certain times, the nice weather doesn't last long (sadly already gone), the summer holidays will be over soon enough, but if we want 1000 new rabbit hutches built in Liphook we ought to demand some proper youth facilities or this will only get worse to everyone's detriment! PS I am not excusing poor behaviour, especially the broken glass that is (alleged) to have been left on the grass (either by this or previous groups), note to teenagers, overall you will lose more support doing stuff like that than by smoking the odd wacky baccy roll up, the latter is bad for your health long term, the former is bad for everyone else's short term!! Oh and stay away from my street, I don't mind anyone else's will be fine ha ha!

Re: kids - James (18th Aug 2020  14:56:26) Stop arguing with each other. No-one is condoning what happened on Friday night/Early Saturday Morning. Just an idea, how about the 'adults' actually do something for the youth? At the moment they have nothing. We have a FC that's it. There is noting in Liphook for the Youth to do, that's when they turn to violence, drugs and alcohol. Arguing on this site isn't doing anything to fix the problem. You are part of the issue.

Re: kids - Give Kids a Chance (21st Aug 2020  17:11:51) Although bad behaviour by these youths cannot be condoned the point is there is very little for young people to do these days, i accept wehave a few sports clubs that try to help but alot of kids don't like sport or being organised. What we need is for the local council to stand up and get the developer contributions for houses built in Liphook to be used in Liphook and not spent on some scheme down in Gosport. You then need to ask the kids what they want, some old 60 year old bloke on the council hasn't got the foggiest idea of what the youth want or need. There have been some young people on this site who have made good suggestions in the past. The things that spring to my mind would be a BMX type track and a skate park. Now before we get the screamers saying only about 6 people would use a skate park, they are also used by scooters and go down to Bordon Skatepark and on a nice day you can see 50-60 kids down there having fun and not causing any issues. When this is done we can get rid of the old metal monstrosity that was called a skatepark.

Re: kids - Old so and so (21st Aug 2020  17:24:17) What a load of old claptrap that the kids donā€™t have anything to do today, indulged and ungrateful little buggers have a lot me than I did back in the day! Back then all we had were conkers, marbles, bikes and go carts and woods to play in and we didnā€™t need to riot! However we did have a healthy respect for the fuzz and the rules and we didnā€™t have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement

Re: kids - Pete (21st Aug 2020  17:55:32) New Skate Park = Ā£120000+ used by a dozen kids with wheels during the day and 6 dozen kids with cans of Lager and joints at night. 1. Bulldoze the current Skate Park. 2. Guarantee that a lockable fence and or official CCTV is installed BEFORE step 3. 3. Build new skate park somewhere else in full public visibility and more distance from homes. But finally, trust me, the lack of facilities isnā€™t the reason why kids are getting utterly smashed out of their brains on vodka, smoking weed, smashing bottles and leaving the place in a total state. The existing skate park whilst not pretty to look at is fully operational. What we actually need is a Public Spaces Protection Order (Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014) making the drinking of Alcohol in the back rec & main rec illegal as well as the playing of loud music etc. If these kids had half a brain and took themselves off to the other side of radford park out of everyones way to do what they wanted and then cleaned up after themselves THIS POST WOULDNT EVEN EXIST !

Re: kids - d (21st Aug 2020  18:47:38) Old so and so. Well said.. As kids we managed to keep ourselves amused without causing trouble or upsetting anyone else as the price we would have to pay was not pleasant.

Re: kids - Just Me (21st Aug 2020  19:20:40) Give kid's a Chance Your comment is ignorant, do not condemn any age of person, you may be elderly one day. Posters on this site can be so very **********

Re: kids - James (21st Aug 2020  19:25:33) Old so and so, Things change. When have we rioted? Or do you mean protested? How are we ungrateful? I am very grateful I have access to education and healthcare. So are my friends. We do have nothing to do. Theres no gym in Liphook cant exercise, theres no other sport do except Football, no Rugby, Hockey and countless other sports. Theres no places to go to avoid the rain and other weather conditions. The list goes on and on.

Re: kids - Ian (21st Aug 2020  20:30:13) Oh James, duddums, poor you,. Have a nice day though!

Re: kids - Anon (21st Aug 2020  20:31:53) Liphook is a village/small town, it isnā€™t going to have everything. As for no sport? There is a cricket club, tennis club, bowling club, golf clubs and literally miles and miles of unspoilt countryside to explore, cycle, walk and run. Having said that, turning the old gateway/countrywide store into a roller disco would be awesome

Re: kids - Pete (21st Aug 2020  21:34:37) So James.... are you actually saying that due to the lack of facilities for kids you are completely within your rights to therefore do ANY of the following? - Drink alcohol in public spaces. - Play loud music in public spaces next to peopleā€™s houses for hours and into the night. - Smoke drugs. - Permitted to not clean up the public area after yourself leaving vast amounts of litter behind. I donā€™t think anyone here is actually saying you canā€™t or shouldnā€™t have these better facilities, but please stop making these absurd claims that some kids are drinking, drugging, annoying people in their homes and then leaving an almighty mess BECAUSE of no facilities.

Re: kids - James (22nd Aug 2020  08:51:36) Pete, You are twisting my words, and i do not appreciate that. Where in my post did I condone that behaviour? I didn't. When young people have nothing to do, they get bored. When they get bored they lose respect. That is when they start using drugs. As for drinking alcohol in public it is legal for 18s and over do you check their IDs? And it is because there are no facilities that is my claim im keeping it. Don't twist my words again.

Re: kids - J (22nd Aug 2020  09:32:07) I think young people are sometimes prone to forget that older people were once teenagers themselves. We've all been young, we've all been a bit bored and had little to entertain us but when I was in my teens there wasn't this same sense of entitlement that today's youth seems to have. I do, however, agree with a previous poster who said that an "old"person of 60 wouldn't know what a young person wants or needs. By the age of 18, most of us who are now 60+ would have been working for the previous 2 years and many were living independently, paying rent, managing budgets etc. We grew up quicker in those days. Nowadays, youngsters seem to remain "kids" until much later.

Re: kids - James (22nd Aug 2020  11:26:36) J, Yes, you were once younger. I would imagine the average age for this site is 30-70. Like I said things change. Your experience as a teenager is not the same as a teenager now.

Re: kids - Ian (22nd Aug 2020  12:36:21) Oh James stop being such a martyr and try and see through those confused hormones! We were all teenagers once and we all felt hard done by and alienated from grown ups who just couldnā€™t understand things were a lot more terrible for us as teenagers and that life was so unfair and we had so less than they did!!! You might want to print off some of your posts for posterity so you can have a good laugh at yourself (as we all do now weā€™re grown up) when you grow up yourself. Have a lovely weekend!

Re: kids - Ian (22nd Aug 2020  12:44:30) I would comment that teenagers behaviour hasnā€™t changed that much as I was a teen in the 1970ā€™s growing up in the very affluent Surrey Hills but still managed with my mates to nick sweets and stuff from Dobbies and then decorate nearby trees with all the wrappers etc. We were horrible little toe rags but the difference was the local bobby, PC Ward who we had a healthy respect of and would accept the consequences when he caught us. Despite being right little sods we did grow up respecting authority and our parents.

Re: kids - Pete (22nd Aug 2020  12:46:14) James, There you go again, directly linking the amount of facilities to kids taking drugs... ABSURD! What next? You going to threaten the community with the promise the kids are all going to be anti social druggys unless the community agree to buy you a new skatepark at Ā£120000+ and provide an indoor staffed club at Ā£60000+ per year. How about you state precisely what you want rather than keep saying ā€œthere is nothing for usā€ what exactly is it you want? Tell us please, tell us how much it will cost, who will use it, where it will be located and whom will pay for it? That is a decent start rather than crying about the absence of something and attempting to make it the communityā€™s fault. PS do not say ā€œa skateparkā€ you have a skatepark, it works. Also try and remember all the other stuff that was around that skatepark when it was first build, all the bent and burnt down stuff that used to be there that got completely trashed... I doubt some oldie did all that did they?

Re: kids - James (22nd Aug 2020  16:49:37) Ian, I am not confused. Things were terrible for you? And they are no longer terrible for us? Let's look at Mental health. In England and Wales suicide is the leading cause of death for 5 to 19 year olds. 10% of young people have a clinically diagnosable mental health problem, 70% of young people who have mental health problems have not had appropriate intervention at an early age. Let's look at Education, exams are getting tougher, funding has decreased leaving teachers doing extra work. Ian, I am not saying here that you haven't had it tough, but I wouldn't say you have had it worse either. Pete, I didn't say it was a direct link, there you go again with twisting my words. Stop twisting them. I'm going to ignore your second paragraph and recommend you get some help from a medical professional. Take a look at this thread: liphook.uk/... As for the Skatepark, you are a tad of. It costs around Ā£34.37p for every square foot. My maths isn't amazing but it's around Ā£100,000, however that's only if we wanted a new one, otherwise it would be cheaper. I personally don't like the Skatepark so I brought it up as you did. Another option is more grassroots sports clubs. A sheltered area for young people to go when there is bad weather or cold instead of a bus stop. Having events like we use to on the Green or at Radford. Also, Pete, you have quite a stuck up attitude about you I don't like it.

Re: kids - Jimmy Hersham-Boy (22nd Aug 2020  17:55:54) If the kids are united. We will never be divided

Re: kids - liz (22nd Aug 2020  19:13:55) James You might want to use your spare time to brush up on your maths. How can an average age, in this context, be 30- 70? It will pay dividends in the future.

Re: kids - James (22nd Aug 2020  21:09:15) Liz, The average user of this site probably is probably in the age range 30-70.

Re: kids - Ian (22nd Aug 2020  21:49:30) James, just because you have anxiety or are stressful does not mean you have mental health issues , this is life, grow up and deal with it. Too many young people think they are entitled to a worry free life, that just is not going to happen so get some perspective and deal with it!

Re: kids - D (22nd Aug 2020  21:59:41) James, how can you say "exams are getting tougher" when, this year, students got very good grades WITHOUT EVEN SITTING AN EXAM.

Re: kids - J (22nd Aug 2020  22:57:59) James, Your statement of "your experience as a teenager is not the same as a teenager now" was exactly the point I was making!

Re: kids - James (22nd Aug 2020  23:05:48) Ian, Look at the statistics. D, telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/... Weak arguements from both of you.

Re: kids - James (22nd Aug 2020  23:44:12) I just wanted to quickly expand on my last response. Ian, Let's quickly clear up the misinformation you spilt. Anxiety is a mental health issue. Stress can also be a leading factor into developing mental health conditions such as anxiety and depression. D, Are you being serious? You are kidding right? Just because this year no-one sat exams doesn't mean there is no stress. Even Boris Johnson has bought it up and that is saying something for how much of a d1ck he is. Let's take a peak at exams and how they hard. But first look at the structure. When students do the exam it gets sent of to the regulator, the regulator then creates the grade boundaries. So, the harder the exam the easier it is to pass. However when we look at a subject like Maths, generally speaking the easier questions are at the front and the harder ones are at the back. On a hard paper you can have questions that are normally at the back in the whole exam. Take a look at this Mathematics paper from AQA: filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers... Furthermore, D, you aren't sitting exams, you are not a Student nor a Teacher or a member of Faculty. So, I am not sure where your opinion is coming from. Now, you say this year Students got very good grades, and I don't necessarily deny that however I do not believe the grades handed out where fair. I know people that have not got the grade they deserved like myself, this does not mean that I got bad grade or a good grade. However, this year, your little statement is null and void. Not only is it a weak argument, this year there were no exams so you have disproved your own point. And while we are on the topic of exams I might as well put my opinion of them across: I do not like them, they are an inadequate, unfair way of measuring ones intelligence. Take a peak at this article: washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/...

Re: kids - D (22nd Aug 2020  23:48:03) Are you going to answer my question, James. Rather than quote something from a two year old newspaper? It's not like YOU not to have an answer.

Re: kids - Pete (23rd Aug 2020  00:39:52) James, All my responses to you have been specifically around your own statement on 18th Aug 2020 14:56:26 within which you say in " " below 1. "How about the 'adults' actually do something for the youth" > This is the entitled thing the others are bringing up, how much more do you actually want and or can we afford? This is Liphook, not Dubai or London! 2. At the moment they have nothing > Really, the kids have absolutely nothing, Is that true? 3. There is noting in Liphook for the Youth to do, that's when they turn to violence, drugs and alcohol. > This is where you established the causal link that the lack of facilities is the reason the kids are taking drugs which is ABSURD! 4. You are part of the issue. > Really? Those people commenting on this site are the reason kids are taking drugs. Underage drinking? Leaving a mess? I know you are probably having a giggle trolling here etc but if you think your winning an argument you are actually making a fool out of yourself. PS am 23 years old, 7 years to go until I reach the minimum age you think I might be by posting on this site.

Re: kids - D (23rd Aug 2020  07:58:55) James, G.C.S.E. exams were introduced in the late 1980s because not enough children were taking G.C.E. "O" levels. So it would not be incorrect to say children are less intelligent today than they were 35 years ago. Interesting how you gave me a long winded answer which required a lot of googling after a flippant short one. I'll say this for you, you give us all a good laugh.

Re: kids - Ian (23rd Aug 2020  09:17:41) Be careful D, you might be damaging Jamesā€™ mental well-being and goodness knows what that might lead it to do. (have to make sure we donā€™t assume its gender just in case that causes it some stress and anxiety as well, poor thing, it lives in in such an unsympathetic and confused world) Oops, are we bullying it now because weā€™re challenging itā€™s point of view??

Re: kids - D (23rd Aug 2020  11:35:57) Hi Ian, I think his real name is Steve Coogan and he's trialling a script for a new series of "Alan Partridge". AH-HAAAA!

Re: kids - James (23rd Aug 2020  11:39:57) D, You didn't ask a question. Pete, I said average age for starters. 1) I have nothing to respond to that 2) Yes that is true, we have a Skatepark that is in a state of disrepair and we have a FC that which only involves certain young people not everyone. 3) "Some teens use drugs or alcohol because theyā€™re curious or bored and see it as something to do or experiment with." - drugfree.org 4) The people who aren't doing anything about it apart from arguing with each other. D, Where did I say children are less intelligent today? If anything children are smarter today, like I said we have harder exams, we have access to E-Learning and many more resources. Ian, Thanks for the care but I am good. Just for reference non-binary pronouns are not 'it'. Also bullying isn't challeneging someone because they have a different viewpoint. The definition of bullying is to seek to harm, intimate or coerce someone. Oh and Ian, as you brought it up take a look at this: glaad.org/transgender

Re: kids - Joe (23rd Aug 2020  13:49:18) Having taken 0 levels back in 1975 and also an A level quite recently exams are not marked as severely as today. Back in 1975 one would have failed any 0 level for bad spelling and grammar. Not so now.

Re: kids - D (23rd Aug 2020  14:45:42) Joe is right, everything had to be 100% in those days. I think the percentage pass mark for O levels was higher as well than for G.C.S.E. You are correct, James, you did not mention children's intelligence. The point I should have made was that exams are easier to pass now because an easier to pass system (G.C.S.E.) was bought in to replace the harder to pass O levels. (Which COULD mean children are less intelligent.) You mention your exam grades this year. If you are not satisfied with them you can still sit a proper exam later this year or early next year. Though it might be worth bearing in mind your teacher's assessment may have been way out but the computer assessed system may have been spot on. You'll be back at school in a couple of weeks anyway so you can sort it all out then.

Re: kids - Maz (23rd Aug 2020  15:10:34) James There was also much more discipline in schools back in the 60s&70s,kids did as they were told or took the consequences. Kids today are not disciplined the same in schools,hence their anti social behavior goes unchallenged and uncorrected,in most instances. Teachers are rendered powerless,Mostly mollycodldling the little darlings and pandering to their every whim,they even have dedicated ā€œteacherā€ roles who provide pastoral care,at the expense of any / little teaching......what an expensive resource,provided for the few and paid for by the tax payer. James,you donā€™t know what you are rambling on about! Excuses,after excuses for ASB. Look to the parents maybe....,for parental discipline and parental resources,why should we indulge you any further. Donā€™t need to answer that,itā€™s rhetorical.

Re: kids - Pete (23rd Aug 2020  19:42:58) Oh look at me (James) I can add a URL to everything I say to validate it. Sadly that's how life works mate, right and wrong isn't something you find on Google. I asked you specifically about the posts you made and hilariously you said "I have no comment to make on that" to you OWN original post :) Am out, wont be returning, its clear an attempting to have a sophisticated debate with a snowflake, to continue to do so makes me look stupid. All the best

Re: kids - James (23rd Aug 2020  20:52:14) D, Grading criteria is usually based on how easy or how hard the test is. You say GCSE's are easier yet fail to provide a reason into how they are easy. Here is an extract from an article in 2018: "despite an overhaul to make the exams more demanding." the "more demanding" bit tends to sway towards that exams are harder. And exams are not "easier" to pass. Maz, The idea that there was more discipline I think is missing the shot. "The overall rate of permanent exclusions has increased from 0.08 per cent of pupil enrolments in 2015/16 to 0.10 per cent in 2016/17. The number of exclusions has also increased, from 6,685 to 7,720. [...] The overall rate of fixed period exclusions increased, from 4.29 per cent of pupil enrolments in 2015/16 to 4.76 per cent in 2016/17. The number of exclusions has also increased, from 339,360 to 381,865." And as for Pastoral services it is important a school has these services for students. Take a look at this website for more information: https://stressedmum.co.uk/why-is-pastoral-care-so-important-in-schools/ Pete, I am not sure why you are getting upset about me including a web address to a part of my response which was even directed to you. You said this: "1. "How about the 'adults' actually do something for the youth" > This is the entitled thing the others are bringing up, how much more do you actually want and or can we afford? This is Liphook, not Dubai or London!" If you do simple research you will know that you get funding, from organisations such as Sports England and others. Take a look at this link: https://www.sportengland.org/how-we-can-help/our-funds don't get in a tantrum however. Okay, you called me snowflake am I meant to cry in a corner and cry or something now? And you are right, it does make you look stupid.

Re: kids - D (23rd Aug 2020  21:52:23) I think the best thing we can do here is not to feed the troll. I think it's an attention thing. Maybe he's missing his chums at school. Amazing how a seventeen year old schoolboy knows it all, he was giving parenting advice last week to a mother with a grown up daughter. James, you be always sincere, truthful and reminisce daily.

Re: kids - James (23rd Aug 2020  22:49:28) D, I don't give parenting advice. The mother hit her daughter, which is abuse. I clearly stated that. Hitting a child is not punishing them its abusing them.

Re: kids - Kieran M (24th Aug 2020  00:29:41) Like omg just leave the kids alone. Yes I know what happened on Friday night was inexcusable. But Iā€™m 18, and a teenager and I get bored at home sometimes and play loud music. People donā€™t seem to have a problem with that. The way the adult provably shouted at the kids was in a very interruptive & condoning way so obvs their going to retaliate. As I know the group of youths myself & sometimes hang out & talk to them it makes it easier to figure out what they look like. Who bloody well cares about whether they played loud music or whatever. Why canā€™t adults & the elderly just leave them alone and get in with their own bloody lives. Bissmal!!! Also shouting at the group will only make the situation worse btw šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚. Some people just dint have a brain

Re: kids - d (24th Aug 2020  11:21:45) Kieran Perhaps rather than playing loud music your time would be better spent trying to improve your English language skills

Re: kids - James (24th Aug 2020  15:26:13) D, Kieran's language skills are fine, I am more than sure that if he wanted if he wanted to improve on it he would, and that is up to him not you. Kieran has raised some good issues. Was the man who got assaulted shouting? People can find this to be a threat.

Re: kids - Rob (24th Aug 2020  15:56:34) Ed - I can't help but think that this thread has run its course. There is nothing here related to the OP and it's just inter-generational mud slinging now. Let's leave it and move on for all our sanity please

Re: kids - D (24th Aug 2020  17:44:45) So they're bored with nothing to do. Bring back national service and they can learn a trade out of it as well.

Re: kids - James (24th Aug 2020  22:39:59) D, Bringing back the National Service would have it's pro's and cons. Let's look at the pro's: 1) Have the ability to become physically fit and try and win the race when it comes to obesity in young people. 2) Learn a trade as you said Now the cons: 1) It would probably have to be mandatory not many people would agree with this 2) There are other programmes out there such as the National Citizen Service (wearencs.com} 3) You can learn a trade through Apprenticeships, B-Techs, C-Techs, and T-Levels. 4) Not many people want to serve their country or cannot i.e a disability 5) Promotes nationalism and more issues. So your idea of bringing back the National Service is a solution to the wrong problem. Also, back to the OP. Was the man who was assaulted shouting towards the group?

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