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Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Jane (14th Aug 2020 22:58:38)
This is sincere, am not taking the micky at all !
I want to thank the kids that are having a good time (I cant see them so cant comment on social distancing, lets give them the benefit of the doubt) that have held a get together out in the middle of the rec rather tonight than at its edges or in the back rec/skate park and thus disturbing residents etc.
Yes we can hear you but its a sweet low sound of distance happiness so no complaints from me. Please keep it up, stay out in the middle of the main rec and your fine by me.
Get yourself some extra points and please bin whatever is left over and I think you guys wont be getting any moaning from the rest of us :)
Have a good one x
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Eleanor (15th Aug 2020 13:01:47)
Jane, if this was the same bunch causing havoc on Midhurst Road and at the station last night, you wouldn't be saying thanks to them. I drove home at midnight and one stepped out in front of my car looking for trouble.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - D (15th Aug 2020 16:40:13)
it was terrible last night but unfortunately its a regular thing at the moment! I think people had enough and it did erupt in arguments etc and the police turned up!sleepless nights because of these kids is not funny at all
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Steve (15th Aug 2020 18:10:53)
Unfortunately I don't think they did clear up after themselves last night. Like you've said, no issues if they want to go up there and have the drinks, along with their herbal medicine.
What I dont have anytime for though, is the state that they left the rec in. Bottles, cans, boxes and broken glass. There was a game of football up there today and fortunately, the football team players spent their first 15 minutes there, clearing up all the mess that was left.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - AM (15th Aug 2020 19:09:53)
It was absolutely disgusting up there this morning.
Litter and broken bottles everywhere. It's so sad to see and walking past the mess, I was ashamed to live somewhere where there is such little regard for our environment.
I think the time has come for taller, lockable gates at all entrances to stop the litter louts and vandals getting in.
I grew up in Liphook and have returned as an adult with my children....it was NEVER this bad when I was a teenager here :(
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - James (15th Aug 2020 21:40:23)
Taller lockable gates wont fix the problems. It will either move the problem or just encourage people to jump over the gates or the fence on the children's park side through the bush.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Jane (16th Aug 2020 00:49:33)
I stand corrected then, thought they had been doing a good job distancing themselves from homes rather than in the back rec as usual etc.
The same crowd rolled back into the back rec tonight albeit they left at a reasonable time but now they have apparently moved away from numerous private CCTV supposed to be trained on the skate park for police use to trees near the library but I heard that seating area has more hidden camera's that the bank!
Hopefully they didn't do any underage drinking, smashing bottles or rolling joints etc as I suspect they might find it difficult telling mummy it wasn't them when there Facebook face is found and mummy is send a video message of little johnny sprinkling grass over tobacco etc
Maybe they need to ask around as to why certain mates their age wont attend the skate park anymore and are suddenly reformed characters after coming to to parents with such incredible evidence
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Sue (16th Aug 2020 10:47:25)
Liphook used to be a pleasant rural village, now bloated up to a size of a town without a town's facilities to deal with the scumlife that is part of town-life as opposed to a rural village.
The council and the police are too busy dealing with alleged "Hate" crimes , inflated "offences" accusations, general victimhood, and bureaucracy culture. Budgets gone paying for Brexit and COVID19 and identity politics projects. Enforcement authorities are more likely to be dealing with vigilantes than with the actual criminals and asbo's.
Families and communities are broken, relying on parents to restrain their yobos might yield partial results.
The future is bleak.
What if instead of denying the fact we have a growing problem we work with it. Allocate a place for them to do as they wish with and not allow them to carry out their activities ANYWHERE else ever?
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Ian (16th Aug 2020 11:15:35)
Problem has increased since the increase in social housing in the village. The social makeup of the village has deteriorated with lower levels of social responsibilty, poor parenting and disfunctional families.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Susan (16th Aug 2020 11:25:34)
Perhaps Jane would like to walk thru the small rec behind the library this morning and pick up all the rubbish left last night empty bottles carrier bags full of god knows what laughing gas canisters a disgrace perhaps she would not be so happy about it
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - d (16th Aug 2020 12:21:35)
Ian not everyone on social housing are a dysfunctional family! Snobbery at its best! The kids in question were also not from liphook!!
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - D (16th Aug 2020 13:19:11)
This behaviour has become worse since it became illegal to smack children. As the Holy Bible says:- "Spare the rod, spoil the child". We are now paying the price of wooly-minded do-gooders telling us it's a child's right to behave like a spoilt brat and not be punished for it.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - James (16th Aug 2020 13:54:08)
First of I want to bring up what D said.
What utter bullshit. You should not smack a child. If my parents hit me they would get one back. Here's a few reasons why you should not hit a child:
1) Hitting them shows that stronger is right
2) Hitting them shows that older people have the right to hit young people
3) Hitting them gives the example that violence solves problems
4) Hitting them damages self-esteem leading to a bad mental health.
5) Hitting them damages your relationship and trust with them
6) No one can learn when they're afraid
7) Hitting them decreases the influence you have with them
8) Hitting them teaches them to avoid detection or to avoid you.
Don't use this bible crap as an excuse to hate.
Let's move on.
Jane,
I hope you are following Data Protection laws. I'll be sure to pop by the Skate Park later.
Sue,
Hate crime is a serious offense, and is increasing. It's a problem and the Police should be dealing with it. I somewhat agree with your final point, young people don't have anything to do. They need a safe fun place.
Ian,
Don't be so stubborn.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Ian (16th Aug 2020 14:09:42)
D, sympathetic to your view but it would be a bad step to return to legally sanctioned physical assault on children. The world has moved on! However we really do need some meaningful discipline methods and a return to community policing. Liphook has a problem with feral youths who feel they are untouchable so I would suggest some serious financial penalties for their parents! I bet you would see an increase in parental responsibility then, even in the “problem” families!
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - D (16th Aug 2020 14:56:35)
James, supercilious.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Sue (16th Aug 2020 16:02:26)
James,
I totally disagree with on all that you typed into this thread, in your own message and in referring to mine. But I will not be drawn into arguing my point with you over this subject on this forum.
Best wishes,
Sue
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - d (16th Aug 2020 17:01:40)
James
Over the years I have read some great posts and a great deal of rubbish on this site but your last epistle wins the prize for the most ridiculous. My guess is that you are either a student or a school teacher.
Hit your parents back - if you were mine you would only do it once !!!
The rest is not worthy of comment.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - D (16th Aug 2020 18:43:22)
Ian, your suggestion is an excellent one and maybe it would be a better course of action in this day and age. I am willing to concede that caning at school should be left in the past, as some teachers did used to target kids they didn't like but I think parents should be allowed to smack their own children. Not being allowed to do so is only going to end up in events similar to those being discussed here.
It was the regular hidings I had as a kid that kept me in line, had I not by the time I was seventeen I think I would have been a right supercilious pratt. At the same time it was the fear of caning that turned us into moral responsible citizens who were happy to go and do things like fight wars in the South Atlantic and Iraq. What sort of kids are being churned out today? Ones whining about their exam grade when they didn't even have to sit an exam for it.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - D (16th Aug 2020 18:48:44)
James, this is my last correspondence with you as I think you are being deliberately inflammatory just to wind up as many people as you can. Maybe it's an attention thing.
What could be a better example of "hate speech" as you call it than "bible crap"? There are countries where that post would get you executed. Think about it.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - James (16th Aug 2020 19:20:29)
Sue,
Okay, I've only sent two messages in this thread so I feel honoured. I also went to the Skatepark earlier and saw no cameras, which could mean a few things, either your are hiding them and breaking the law which would make just as bad as the others or there are no cameras and you are lying.
D,
I wouldn't only do it once. I would do it however many times you hit me, I feel sorry for your kids if you have them. If you hit your kids you are scum and deserve to go to prison.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - James (16th Aug 2020 19:24:35)
D,
Just read your recent post directed to me. There are a lot of countries where I can be murdered and tortured for being gay. When you use religion as an excuse to hate, you don't give a shit about the bible. And me saying "bible crap" isn't a form of hate speech.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - James (16th Aug 2020 19:53:58)
D,
You keep on mentioning hitting kids. So, let me put it in childish terms for you. No hitty or you bum groundy. I think that is as childish as I can put it.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - Anon E - only to protect my daughter (16th Aug 2020 23:16:28)
I'm sorry James. I don't think we are talking about violence and abuse. I believe we are talking about well thought out discipline, not angry outbursts where adult frustrations are taken out on innocent children.
When children are loved, know what the rules are and the consequences of breaking the rules, when those consequences are carried out in a controlled and fair way, children learn what is expected of them. (I'm not talking about children that have diagnosed behavioural problems- that is a different issue.) Both at home and at school, I was unfairly disciplined and as a result have really suffered as an adult in dealing with discipline - always wary that I'd be unfairly treated as I was as a child. Always on the defensive, afraid of being told off for something I didn't do or wasn't my fault.
I can understand why you would want to hit back - but that is hitting, not controlled discipline. It's a defensive action in response to something unfair or uncalled for.
As a parent, I only smacked my daughter once and that was when she told me to shut up. I explained very clearly to her that I was not going to accept that and as a mum I had to discipline her. I asked her to write me an apology letter - which gave her the opportunity to put her point of view across and then I smacked her and cuddled her immeditately afterwards and we both cried. She was about 8 at the time. She was never rude to me again and I never smacked her again. That was before the law came in and when we were living overseas. I believe that we have a good relationship now built on love and mutual respect.
Thanks to Princess Diaries the phrase "Shut up" has taken on a different meaning so we laugh about it now! But that is another topic!
I do believe that the Bible has fantastic lessons to teach us and we would do well to take heed of them.
Obeying your parents is the only one of the 10 commandments that has a blessing attached to it. It is therefore very significant.
Do not lie, steal, commit murder, commit adultery, don't let the sun go down on your anger - wouldn't the world be a better place if none of these things existed?
A lot of the modern "mindfulness" thinking can be found in the BIble if people only looked - taking each though captive is just one example. Nothing new there.
Self-esteem - we are loved by God, created in His image, He has chosen us and we are therefore worthy. I am a child of God... wow!
The Attitude of Gratitude/gratefulnes concept is also found there - give thanks in all circumstances - the list could go on.
I just wanted to say that the Bible isn't old fashioned, outdated or irrelevant. Some of the teachings/stories are over 3000 years old. Who do we think we are to dismiss something that has been valued for generations? How many people born in the last 50 years have even read it for themselves? Might be a truly eye opening experience.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - M (17th Aug 2020 09:24:21)
RESPECT!
That's the one thing missing from everything that is being discussed here.
It started with the kids in the park not respecting the environment they were in or the other residents and users of the area.
It goes on with the children not respecting their parents, teachers and the police and is continuing with posters on here not respecting others and their views.
Re: Thankyou to the kids in the Rec - James (17th Aug 2020 11:33:37)
Anon E,
Hitting your child IS abuse. The definition of abuse is cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal. By hitting your daughter, you were being violent. So, Anon E, by definition you abused your child. You may think that the relationship with your daughter is healthy, but the truth is you don't know you can only presume. If I was your daughter that relationship would of been destroyed.
Finally, for the Bible. I have got nothing wrong with it unless you use it as an excuse to hate. I personally believe the Christian community can be toxic.
