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Dr judge@ sue pledger - Ron (1st May 2011 - 14:11:39) What has happened to Sue Pledger , the newes about Dr Judge seems to have dried up ? Does anyone else know anything ??

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Ron (2nd May 2011 - 13:25:16) surley someone in the village knows something about what is happening so far . Sue pledger wanted it to be kept in the forground at all the time We all helped wherever we could. The village was in uproar . Now NOTHING .Is it worth waiting anymore ?or do we just get on with life in the village and settle for what we have got shame after we faught so hard.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Helen M (2nd May 2011 - 22:16:54) Sue was on here a lot but her posts were quite confusing and actually made the issues more difficult to understand. This was pointed out to her, asking her to re-read the posts before actually posting and she decided to refrain from posting anymore. i am sure the ed can point you in the direction of the thread..... I think sue and her friends have done a great job making the village aware of Dr. Judge's prediciment but I do think she did muddle the issues with her posts. I am also VERY glad to see Dr Judge can practise again!

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Ron (3rd May 2011 - 11:26:59) HELEN Thankyou for your post,. It does not help if no one is keeping the ardent followers informed about the where abouts Dr Judge is practising ..Last I hear she was in Portsmouth part time under supervision .Has there been any change since thenSo iF Sue Pledger is not comming on here , Who else can tell us and keep us informed with up to date information

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - sue pledger (4th May 2011 - 07:56:41) HI IT'S SUE I have not been well so I have not felt much like loging on, I hope this is not confusing for any one. As far as I know the General Medical Council are asking Dr Sangita Judge to continoue to jump through their hoops to regain her freedom which should never have been taken from her. She was completely was cleared of any wrong doing, as we new she would be, yet she still is the one suffering and has no job at present. Because of the dispicable behaviour of her ex- colleagues. Which as I have always said, made up complaints which cascaded to the primary health care trust and general medical council culminating in them having to suspend her whilst they investigated these false claims. Once suspended it took a mear few days to sack her from Liphook village surgery, which was the whole idea of the partners plan, as its the only way to get rid of an inconvienant partner. They used the PCT&GMC to achieve their goal. LEAVING US WITHOUT THE BEST GP I HAVE KNOWN. However once she has jumped through all these hoops she WILL BE BACK do not worry she will not leave us after our support which I personally thank you for. What I would like to know is, what people are doing about the dross left, now their is ZERO Respect or Trust which are fundimental between doctor & patient. What news of all the complaints that were sent in their were more of then than what the gps sent in but nothing is happening, has anyone got news? SUE

Re: Dr judge - B (8th Jun 2011 - 14:08:35) There is an update on the GMC website as of yesterday. GMC 'conditions' can be found by checking her registration status (4298331) at www.gmc-uk.org - the main points are 6. ... to formulate a Personal Development Plan, specifically designed to address the deficiencies in the following areas of her practice: a. record keeping b. referral of patients c. assessment of patient's conditions d. interpretation of test results. 10. ... to place herself and remain under the supervision of an educational supervisor, as agreed by the GMC. 12. To confine her medical practice to general practice training posts where [her] work will be supervised by a named GP trainer as agreed with the Wessex Deanery and Hampshire PCT.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - veronica (8th Jun 2011 - 20:24:14) i it is good to see DrJudge has appeared again .. Come on Sue Pledger tell all .... will she never be able to practice in the village again??????????

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Maxine (9th Jun 2011 - 14:12:44) So....if i am reading this right, Dr Judge has been deemed 'deficient' a.k.a Lacking, incompetent, poor in the following areas: record keeping referral of patients assessment of patients conditions interpretation of test results Its just my opinion....but are these not the MAIN responsibilities of a doctor? clearly if this is what is stated on their website then she has not been completely cleared of everything accused has she?! otherwise it would say 'we have found no reason for Dr Judge's suspension and will be re-instating her as a doctor immediately. But it doesnt! As it clearly states that they are formulating a personal plan for the things she is 'deficient' in (as pointed out-the MAIN responsibilities of a doctor) then at this present time she is basically incapable of doing the job she is meant to be doing, hence why she is not allowed to practice without supervision and why she is being told to only take training positions.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - liz (9th Jun 2011 - 15:11:24) I know its been said before but I don't think these personal "comments" are suitable for a local website.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - veronica (9th Jun 2011 - 19:06:30) liz what personal things have been said on here.....surley after all this fighting for the truth it has now come out on here or is it the truth .. who knows some one some where in the village can answere the on going question ... Will she be coming back to the village or do we just forget about her, getting on with the doctors we have..Liz do you think nothing should have been said seeing we all faught so hard for her??

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - maxine (10th Jun 2011 - 09:09:10) I think everyone should just get on with things. I cant imagine she will be coming back to Liphook-she probably knows if she comes back she will be faced with questions from every person she meets. I would imagine she will want to get on with things where nobody knows that she has been deemed incompetent at her job. There are two surgeries in Liphook that both have doctors perfectly capable of treating their patients. You all fought hard-which shows we have lovely caring community that pulls together when needs be, but i think some people are being a tad naive in thinking she is totally innocent when the GMC clearly says she isnt. And lets face it, you have put in all this hard work, but what thanks have you had from Dr Judge for it? She hasnt even bothered to explain why she was suspended in the first place. She has moved on-maybe its time everyone else does too.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - helen (10th Jun 2011 - 09:55:52) you are all forgetting that Dr Judge recieved the most votes in the Parish Council elections. I believe that all councillors details are on the parish Council website in order that we can contact them if need be. Why not ask her?

Re: Dr. Judge@ sue pledger - marian (10th Jun 2011 - 11:03:44) I do not know what Maxine's personal experience was of Dr. Judge - but she was my Doctor for the time she was based at The Ship Surgery in Liphook. I believe you can only speak through personal experience and she was always a very caring and to my mind dedicated Doctor. Nothing was too much trouble - she followed things through and I had no complaints about her whatsover. I wish she would open a surgery in Liphook - I am sure she would have a full patient list waiting to sign on with her. Dr. Judge is still giving time to Liphook as she is now an active member of the Parish Council - re-elected at the last election with the largest number of votes.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - maxine (10th Jun 2011 - 11:31:39) Maybe thats the problem here....PERSONAL experience. You have had good personal experiences with her, and are therefore unable to detach yourself and just look at the pure facts. The GMC have found issues with her practice as a doctor-you may not have experienced any issues yourself but the GMC have obviously found enough to prevent her from working unsupervised. What i think you are forgetting is that although she may well be a nice, caring person and a valued member of the parish C....that does not make her a good doctor-it makes her a good person.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - marian (10th Jun 2011 - 11:39:44) I wonder Maxine, if you were ever a patient of Dr. Judge? What is your own experience of her as a Doctor? Are you, perhaps, a friend of someone at Shiphouse Surgery?

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Maxine (10th Jun 2011 - 14:19:45) I am not a friend of anyone at shiphouse surgery. And she was not my doctor. Hence why i have no personal attachment to her. However i am a doctor. (Not a GP, i\'m in biomedicine) So i know that a doctor is never suspended for no reason. A doctor is responsible for the care of their patients. They are in a high position of trust. If a doctor is not doing their job properly, then it doesn\'t matter how nice and caring they are. The GMC have found her incompetent in some MAJOR areas. I find the fact that her inability assess patients and to interpret test results extremely alarming. And i am surprised that no-one else does. It makes me wonder how i would feel if i took my 18month girl to see her, and she was misdiagnosed. Or if she had something seriously wrong with her, and it was missed because the doctor couldn\'t interpret the test results. Who cares if the doctor is polite and caring. I just want them to do their job. Properly. I am GLAD the GMC have stepped in and put a stop to it, before somebody got seriously hurt or worse.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - helen (10th Jun 2011 - 16:23:37) I am not a patient of Dr Judge either so cannot comment on her, but a GP at best takes a stab in the dark when presented with sypmtoms. My brother in law died after 3 visits to his gp ,not in Liphook, because his symptoms were mis- diagnosed and he was sent away without help. He actually had a blod clot and he could have been saved had the GP been more thorough. All Gps do is treat sypmtoms presented.

Re: Dr Judge@ sue pledger - marian (10th Jun 2011 - 18:11:58) It really surprises me, Maxine, that you feel the patients of Dr. Judge are so intellectually challenged that they cannot make a rational judgement on whether or not they believe her to be a good Doctor. She was extremely diligent with me and acted very promptly when she had to. None of us know the whole story of her case - but we are quite able to make up our own minds on her capabilities.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - maxine (11th Jun 2011 - 08:56:32) Funny...i don't believe i called anyone intellectually challenged? i suggested that some maybe a 'tad naive' in thinking that she is completely innocent and cleared of everything when the GMC states otherwise. But i never once said that anyone is intellectually challenged. i have simply given my opinion just as everyone else on here has. The problem is that some of you on here do not want to hear anyone else's opinion if it differs from your own.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Steve (11th Jun 2011 - 12:40:23) Now before this thread deteriorates into the mire of arguement and personal comments so common now on what was an informative source of goings-on for the village, has now sadly become a boring site with an increasing number of boring individuals all ready to sit at home demonstrate their considerable knowledge and expertise in all things Liphook and then impart these pearls of wisdom onto each of these threads. I’m not interested in what anybody does for a living and really couldn’t care less what they think about anything in particular. However regarding this issue with Dr.Judge, yet again the original question about her whereabouts and practice is in danger of rapidly becoming obscured by the ‘experts’. As an ex-patient of hers I will always owe her a debt of sincere gratitude for saving my life by correct diagnosis and a speedy referral. Her professionalism was a credit and her service to not only myself but also all my family members has always been of the highest calibre, in fact everybody you meet who have dealt with her have nothing but praise for her as a Doctor. Now whatever happened leading up to her leaving the practice in Liphook remains confidential and for all the speculating and pontificating whether you are a housewife, working mum, ordinary working chap or in biomedicine has no bearing whatsoever. The fact of the matter is WE (Liphook) have lost an incredibly popular and well respected Doctor. On a personal note as I cannot speak for anybody else, the most annoying fact was the total silence from the Ship House Surgery, nothing was said about who would be taking over her patients and when and if the question is raised about who my GP is on my monthly hospital check-up’s I still reply “not got a clue.” There are many rumours sweeping around about what happened and obviously everybody will not have the same opinion about Dr.Judge, however I’m sure the great percentage of all her patients would at least like to have it confirmed if she will be returning to her practice at whatever time or not as the case maybe. The recent elections of the Parish Council in removing most of the dead wood, and her consequent vote margin ably demonstrated her standing within the village and the respect with which she is held. All we ask is information regarding the future and then as individuals we can make the choice, without this thread turning into the usual bitching, moaning and general slagging off that this site now seems to attract.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Phelim (4th Jul 2011 - 12:09:48) Maxine - Dr Judge's suspension is, having spoken with a number of GPs (which by your own admission you ARE NOT) as well as other medical doctors, including one who has served on the GMC, standard practice in the light of the Harold Shipman case. It appears that she was reported to the GMC despite the local health council doing something because someone wanted to protect their interests rather than the patients. As to what she has been found guilty of, the only MAJOR (to use your words) area that she was found negligent in was self-prescribing, which is a common practice amongst GPs. I hope Dr Judge sues the practice and those who falsely reported her for loss of income and defamation.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - maxine (5th Jul 2011 - 11:24:47) Well for starters, i am not a GP no. But am fully qualified to be a GP if i wanted to. I chose to do my FULL medical degree and then specialise in Biomedicine. So by no means am i less qualified than doctor judge-i have just chosen to work in another area of medicine. SELF PRESCRIBING? Is NOT allowed. Doctors are not allowed to just take/prescribe medicines for personal use and certainly no doctors/GPs i know do it! We all have to have our own doctor or request a colleague to prescribe for us. No wonder she is under investigation if she is taking whatever medication she feels like when she feels like it. If it was common practice for doctors to do this then majority would be high on valium most of the time! And people moan that prescription charges have gone up?! No wonder if doctors like Dr Judge are getting 5 finger discounts.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - David (5th Jul 2011 - 11:50:12) Oh dear Maxine - has someone pinched your Teddy Bear. An old saying which seems to apply to you "Them that can - do. Them that can't teach" Or in your case find fault with those that can without having all the facts to hand.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - liz (5th Jul 2011 - 12:01:27) Maxine That was a very unpleasant post. You seem to have a very low opinion of all GP's. Is that why you are not one?

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - maxine (6th Jul 2011 - 13:58:17) Absolutely. all they do is prescribe antibiotics and send people for tests.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Peter (6th Jul 2011 - 21:13:38) Maxine, You misunderstand the purpose of these threads. They are not meant for professionals to comment on areas in which they are well qualified to pass judgement, written in moderate tones and properly constructed English sentences. You are supposed to assert loudly your own prejudices based entirely on your subjective experiences, without recourse to logic, reason or any kind of objective wisdom. If you can write whole sentences in capital letters with excessive use of exclamation marks it helps too. Very good and so true. LOL

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - liz (7th Jul 2011 - 08:35:24) On the contrary Peter. Maxine's scathing disregard for other professionals and dodgy punctuation allow her to fit in perfectly!

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Dee (8th Jul 2011 - 16:40:02) Full marks to Peter and Steve who seem to be the only ones who can write, spell and use the English Language correctly. I have only recently started reading Talkback (encouraged by my husband to do so) but I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that it is just a nasty, bitchy site. These people should get their kicks from watching Eastenders and let the rest of us enjoy Talkback for factual, interesting and informative information.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Mary W (8th Jul 2011 - 22:21:14) Dee, it is a lovely site. Don't be put off - it's just that people whose lives have been saved by the awareness shown by Dr Judge feel very strongly that she may not have had a fair deal. I don't go to that surgery, but I can remember well a year ago when a good friend of was diagnosed with the dreaded C after a timely intervention by this fine doctor, I can still remember how grateful she was at the time, so I do understand how feelings are running on this issue.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - helen (8th Jul 2011 - 22:22:18) The origianal posting was that no one seems to have heard from Dr Judge about her plans. Is she in touch with anyone in Liphook still?

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - maxine (10th Jul 2011 - 09:06:53) I do speak from personal opinion as well as professional actually. As previously stated i do attend the surgery myself and do have a doctor, so am equally entitled to my own opinion. I have seen many doctors in my time and also worked with many doctors, so my opinion is based both on my personal and professional experiences. My opinion is JUST my opinion, and i am fully entitled to have one just as you are. You do not have to agree with it, or even read it if you do not like what i say, but why should i not voice my thoughts and feelings just because they differ from your own views? Clearly you are unable to deal with someone that has a different perspective on the situation, as all you can come back with is childish bitchy comments about punctuation-which by the way is actually due to the fact that my daughter poured a cup of milk over my laptop keypad, so the keys do not always work when pressed. To all those new to the site i have to say-unless you agree with every single thing that people on here say, then do not bother posting. Otherwise you will be in the firing line every time you open your mouth.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Ron (11th Jul 2011 - 20:05:32) I started this page with about 4 simple questions.. Not Hard to answere, but since then I cannot believe such a load off rubish..so I will ask again .. Is Dr Judge any intension of coming back to the village when can she talk with her ex patients.. surely some one some where is in contact with her whereabouts and intensions what about Sue Pledger ??????

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Phelim (15th Jul 2011 - 12:50:02) Maxine - here is the GMC guidance on self prescribing from the page Your Health Matters http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/information_for_doctors/7033.asp We hope the following tips will be helpful to you Make sure you are registered with a GP before you develop a problem and seek help early when you are unwell. Avoid self-diagnosis and self-prescribing. Note early warning signs of illness and take them seriously. For example, feeling low or irritable, or having poor concentration and low energy may be signs of burnout. Take the time to consult your GP and try not to engage colleagues in 'corridor consultations' about your health. It isn't fair on you or them. Be sensitive to the needs of your colleagues and encourage them to seek help if you are concerned about their health. Try to maintain a healthy work/life balance. If you develop problems it may help to try sharing with friends, colleagues and family. Please note it says AVOID SELF-PRESCRIBING so to claim that it is against the rules for Doctors to self-prescribe is a complete fabrication and raises doubts about the quality of your other statements.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - Phelim (15th Jul 2011 - 12:57:48) Maxine - Dr Judge took over six months to find a pain killer regime that worked for me, this was AFTER I was referred to a specialist who decided I was wasting their time. The local council found nothing against Dr Judge and only suspended her because of the bullying of the very junior doctor who was about to be kicked out of the surgery and wanted to keep his position. If you had the time, and the courtesy to get off your anti-GP horse to read the whole document and the rules about suspension you would find that after Harold Shipman what has happened to Dr Judge is now standard, and that some of the issues around record keeping are very minor. You come across as a very bitter person, and I voted for Dr Judge because she was so good as a GP.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - helen (15th Jul 2011 - 16:16:48) Phelim the local council are not involved with Dr Judge as a GP she was elected to represent the people of liphook. From reading attendance reports at meetings,she has not appeared since May. The Parish council has no involvement with the workings of the surgery or doctors.

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - eb (15th Jul 2011 - 20:47:34) Phelim Anti gp horse!! as maxine said every one is entitled to there own opinion, and yes she was my gp but i think some people are becoming a little bit obsessed with all this. We have been hearing so many stories how does anyone know accept Dr judge herself. Reffering to your 2nd paragraph and the bullying doctor is that anti gp or opinion!!

Re: Dr judge@ sue pledger - liz (16th Jul 2011 - 08:36:13) Dee Talkback is ideal for you! Your post was just the sort of nasty bitchy comment that you are complaining about. Apologies if you think our command of English is not up to standard (and you might want to have a quick check of your own if you feel that strongly about it) but people post about what they care about, not as an academic exercise.

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