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Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Jock Trodden (24th Apr 2011 - 19:32:01) Cllr Newman made his first appearance at Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council last Monday for some time and read out a carefully worded statement which was reproduced in the Herald this week. As the man who raised the questions – not allegations – I ought to be allowed the opportunity to respond to his ridiculous ranting. I have no desire to bring this excellent web site into disrepute or in harm’s way of the Liphook Council thought police’s ever grateful (for work) solicitors. They have earned a few bob with to comings and goings. I have published my own statement in reply to Cllr Newman on my own website – http://www. jts-civilengineering.co.uk/ – along with supporting documentation including Cllr Newman’s bail sheet. Let’s hope for a much bigger than 10% (approximate last election figures) of you voters will exercise their democratic right to carefully choose their trusted servants at the forthcoming election. Please see thread “at least £23,500...................... You may the find the last few comments interesting. I have learned one of the prospective candidates stands for the “Justice & anti-corruption Party” Sounds a good starting place to me. I got the info from http://www.easthantsexposed.org.uk/ worth a look ? Thank you, Regards Jock Trodden Managing Director JTS Civil Engineers Ltd Regency House Blackmoor GU33 6BH 01420 538384 ~ 07887 607009 For more information on our company, including a selection of testamonials, please visit our website http://www.jts-civilengineering.co.uk/

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Dave (24th Apr 2011 - 20:02:10) Jock, I have just viewed your webpage, I am glad you have given the honest public the chance to be fully informed of goings on . Let's hope that more people view this thread before casting there votes in the coming elections.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (25th Apr 2011 - 10:07:44) Jock, what happens when someone comes to the greatham meetings when your councillor and challenges you on your behaviour! Or have you forgotten about your previous behaviour because if my memory stands me correct you've been alot worse than mr newman! Its all going to come out jock and just how stupid are you going to look.. Whats that saying?!!.. Ow yeah hahaha its "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Jock Trodden (25th Apr 2011 - 13:17:18) Thank you Andy for your moranic and amusing obversations. Now, are there any grown ups out there who care for the village and environment in which they live. Would you care to make a "grown up" comment. Jock

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - simon (25th Apr 2011 - 16:59:07) It may well be that Mr Trodden has only just touched the tip of the iceberg. Its about time people made a stand. Lets hope Mr. Newman doesnt send his heavies round to those with enough courage to voice their opinions.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Margaret (25th Apr 2011 - 21:23:52) 2 grown men with rather colourful pasts (and recent pasts at that) snarling at each other through liphooks local government and this web site is farcical. The truth will come out and lots of dirt will be dug up, dirt that i suspect will cause a lot more distress and upset than all this so far has. One has to wonder what prompted all this in the first place....

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Lucy (26th Apr 2011 - 10:23:40) It seems to me Mr Trodden that you are unable to prove any of the points raised by yourself & Mr Newman in either the herald article or on the websites! A public order offence is not the same as attempted murder!! further more he was never tried or convicted of any crime. People can claim anything in statements that does not mean its true. I think if you were a gentleman you would apologise! That is unless your real agender is still unknown to us, if so please elaborate!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (26th Apr 2011 - 12:01:46) Im with lucy on this one, jock you clearly do not know the truth off what went on I however do! The only communication she had with nigels boys was when they delivered a birthday card for her daughter. I dont believe that the alleged incident took place as they were married approx 6 weeks later and I have seen the wedding video of her saying how wonderfull he is, im also aware that alot of other claims that she has made with regards to nigel newman are not true, so why dont you come clean and make clear what your interests in this matter really is??.. What is your involvement with her?.. Do you have any arrests or convictions?.. And whats the truth behind the alleged after work parties at your house? So come on jock come clean! Because all of this will be brought up at greatham parish council meetings!!..

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - a dawson (26th Apr 2011 - 13:21:26) I think the last couple of replies are rambling off the point. The point is whether Nigel Newman is fit to be a Councillor and a Chairman of the Council?

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - helen (26th Apr 2011 - 16:11:29) I agree the point is not whether Nigel has enough friends/parrtners to defend him on here but whether or not he should re stand as a councillor, his character is what matters and he should be above reproach, otherwise questions such as the ones Mr Trodden asked at the meeting, would not even have been raised.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (26th Apr 2011 - 19:19:09) Answer the questions jock!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Katie (26th Apr 2011 - 19:48:02) Of course nigel is fit to be a councillor because he hasn't done ANYTHING wrong!! thats why he's taken legal action against jock do you really think he'd do that if jock was telling the truth. Use your brain and think about it!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (27th Apr 2011 - 07:49:30) Come on jock answer my questions!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (27th Apr 2011 - 09:16:40) You can't answer can you jock! Because if you tell the truth you drop yourself in it and if you dont tell the truth you'll be lying so what do you do.. You ignore me! Your not doing this for the good of Liphook & its people your doing this because you personally dislike nigel.. so along with nigel's bitter x wife your trying to dirty his name and reputation! Its not nigel who's the guilty one in all this it you jock trodden!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - helen (27th Apr 2011 - 11:18:28) I think we are still missing the point. With such a colourful background ideas of right and wrong as expounded by friends and relatives of Nigel are still not the point.This whole affair has brought the council into disrepute that is the point, and he should take this opportunity not to stand again. Let people who do not have any personal issues get onto the council instead. Obviously anyone can access the police charge sheet now so the issue is serious.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Katie (27th Apr 2011 - 12:10:04) No helen your not getting the point.. He was never tried or convicted for that he's done nothing wrong.. Its Innocent till proven guilty!! Its jock bringing the council into disrepute with his lie's not nigel!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Roy (27th Apr 2011 - 12:32:14) I do not know all these peopke concerned and am not sure I really want to!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Helen (27th Apr 2011 - 12:45:28) This thread seems to be getting personal and confusing. Somebody somewhere really does have a grudge to bear dont they!!. I'm not sure i really understand where it is going anymore.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Peter (27th Apr 2011 - 16:11:50) watching from this side of my keyboard i can't help but feel that a certain someone needs to be very very careful about the company with whom he mixes and his illegal recreational drug use!!! You know I mean YOU!!! A man who claims he is more honourable than another and attempts to ruin lives and spread malicious rumours about someone he is quite blatently jealous of (for reasons that are quite obvious; there's always a woman involved. A woman scorned and all that) needs to look a little closer to home and his nostrils before he attempts to ruin others reputations ........

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Karen (28th Apr 2011 - 17:29:44) Andy - You seem to be very sure of what is true and what is not....however, no one really knows what goes on behind closed doors unless you live behind those doors. Perhaps you have lived with Mr Newman?...I dont know, but what i do know is that you may know someone for years and years but never really see what they are tuley like. If this carries on perhaps we will find out that what is being said is all lies and that Mr Newman is a decent man or, perhaps people will dig deeper and more secrets will be revealed. Who knows! I just hope that people dont forget what is the most important thing here, the happiness of our community.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - simon (29th Apr 2011 - 18:31:14) I had to go back to the thread “Nigel Newman is he fit the chairman of the parish Council” posted by George Jones on 18th February to understand the significance of this thread. I had to read again the “gagging” letter sent to this web site by Barlow Robbins which read “when a forum such as your website is misused for the purpose of making false and defamatory statement, this becomes unacceptable”. This would be true if the statements to which they refer were false. We must all agree that Parish Council members must be chosen with care. Candidates should be, above all, honest, trustworthy and above reproach. For reasons best known to himself, during a meeting early in the year Mr Trodden asked Cllr Chairman Newman 3 simple questions from the floor. I have only seen in reply evidence of the 1st question 1: “Have you ever been arrested and charged with a criminal offence” Chairman, Cllr Newman replied “N0” I have now viewed the bail sheet supplied (apparently) by Barlow Robbins on the home page of jts-civilengineers.co.uk web site “Reply to NN’s statement”. Clearly Cllr Newman lied whilst sitting as the Chairman as you don’t get bail unless you have been charged with an offence. My point is if he lied about that what else has he lied about? He must now do the honourable thing for everyone and withdraw from the forthcoming election. He may even consider taking his close cronies and supporters with him and good riddance to the four of them and we all know who they are...........

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - helen (30th Apr 2011 - 09:48:39) it is up to us then to think carefully on Thursday and make our votes count even on the Parish Council. Thse of you who regularly attend the metings will I am sure have a good idea why Mr Jordan has decided to stand down, and it is time to break up the established gang who vote for all the nonsensical costly descisions which do not benefit the council taxpayers of Liphook, only employees of the Parish Council..

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (30th Apr 2011 - 17:05:10) Simon the case was dropped due to the witness's withdrawing their statements because they were lying so it doesn't really count does it! Jock said he had evidence to prove everything he was accusing nigel of but so far all he's come up with is a charge sheet that was for something completly different of what he was accusing him of and jock didn't even have that nigel's solicitor sent it to him! Who's the one thats lying! Where's all the evidence jock and why haven't you answered my few simple questions?!..

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - helen (1st May 2011 - 10:11:57) I so think that we should concentrate on electing people on Thursday who have not had any of these problems if there is any mud it has surely been all thrown by now, and the point I am making is that there should be nothing of this type in a caandidates background to result in the public mudslinging! No one wants accusations of this kind to be made in a public session, and as a previous poster has said the police bail sheet has now been published.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (1st May 2011 - 16:29:14) How can someone confuse something so serious as attempted murder with a public order offence(which got dropped!) Seems quite a big mistake to make.. Seems like you need to go back and have a word with your lady friend jock she's getting you in a bit of trouble my old mate.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Katie (1st May 2011 - 18:48:46) helen, how can you judge nigel on that charge sheet?.. The witness's were lying and withdrew their statements.. Me and one of my friends could say that you attacted us.. We could come up with a good story and make statements to the police which would led to you getting arrested but then the case gets dropped because we were lying but in your eyes that means your still guilty of that crime and shouldn't be trusted! Is that right?.. Sounds stupid doesn't it..

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - simon (2nd May 2011 - 10:21:56) I refer to the facetious comments on this thread from Andy, clearly a deluded friend of Cllr Newman and his “gang” at B&LPC. He alludes to a lot of wrong doings by Mr Trodden. Frankly I am not interested in Mr Trodden’s alleged “colorful history” I don’t know the man but I thank him for bringing this matter to the Liphook residents attention whatever his reasons. He is not a member of B&LPC so his private life is none of our concern. Had he been a Councilor there is little doubt he would have been bullied and intimidated by the Newman “gang” a long time ago and these serious matters would never have reached the public domain. If Andy has a problem with Mr Trodden he can write or email him directly. His full details are given on the first posting of this thread. Please have your “feud” in private Andy if you have the gumption but please do not bore us further by trying to draw other people, whoever they may be, into this serious matter. Keep it simple. It has now been proven that Cllr Newman lied whilst sitting as Chairman of a B&LPC meeting. If he lied about that perhaps he lied about other matters too. HE HAS TO GO!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (2nd May 2011 - 11:08:37) have i hit a nerve simon! Mr Trodden is about to become a councillor so i think his "colourful past" and present is our business whether you like it or not!!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - simon (3rd May 2011 - 17:48:45) No Andy you have not hit a nerve, but like i said if you have a problem with Mr Trodden why not contact him directly.You are trying to direct this thread away from focusing on Nigel Newman and his lies.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Sue (3rd May 2011 - 19:57:18) I have just checked the list of people up for election, from the B &LPC under the 'News' Section on the Home Page. I could not see a Mr Trodden Listed? Unless someone has spelt the name incorrectly - or another Person is standing with a similar sounding name? If there was a further page that I could not see I apologise- can someone clarify if Mr Trodden is standing or not?

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Liz (3rd May 2011 - 20:47:49) I don't go on this site very often but I think this word sums this whole thread up and all the small village bickering: WHATEVER!!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - bob smith (3rd May 2011 - 20:49:33) Thread:-Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement Well, this has been a very interesting thread. It would appear Andy (Nigel’s pseudonym) has it in for Mr Trodden for exposing the truth about this unsavoury character Cllr Newman. As far as I am concerned the EVIDENCE speaks for itself. Newman was asked 3 simple questions and he lied on the first when he replied “NO”.. From what I can see he ought to have said YES to the question “have you ever been arrested and charged with a criminal offence” and then quantified his reply, but he chose to deny the (now proven) fact whilst sitting as Chairman.. I wait with baited breath for the evidence (if any) regarding the other 2 questions. I must say it’s all rather distasteful and not the sort of nonsense one would expect to read of a serving Parish Councillor. How he has the temerity to stand again is beyond me!

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Andy (3rd May 2011 - 21:17:27) You write almost identical as jock.. the way you put your s's a few space's away from the word its suppose to be with, anyone would think that was you jock.. So funny! And sue jock trodden is standing for greatham.. poor village

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Sue pledger (4th May 2011 - 07:25:49) Anyone that knows Nigel Newman will not be amused at this campaign to blaken his name and try to remove him from the council. The people responsible for this and its a group, not just one man, are trouble makers and would be better of in a pub braw than making stupid accusations anyone can be arrested but unless a conviction is achieved it means nothing. Thats all their is to say on that matter. As for if Nigel should be re-elected - of course he should, he has been a strong highly motivated member of the council and he has held meetings together to accomplish many very good things in our village and has had the patience of a saint with some public which insist on asking closed session questions which cannot be discussed in the open sessions. Having been told this so many times these individuals don't seem to get it, bit dum if you ask me, also very rude and abusive behaviour does not endear then. But their time will come and the law can deal with them. Their are many of us who are grateful to Nigel, who is a larger than life kind of guy and brings stability and structure to every meeting I have attendended. He has worked tirelessly to bring all the councilers together to achieve what they can, within their limits, of which their are many. We should not get weighed down by a few non-accomplished people that have nothing better to do with their time. So I hope you support Nigel as he has been given a very hard time of late. But he is still willing to serve us and our community and that has to say a great deal about his strenght of charater as well as his resolve to continoue to improve our village life. I think a thank you is in order and a vote. lessoning to rubbish gets you nowhere fast. Sue

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Katie (4th May 2011 - 08:09:49) Really well said sue:-)

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Don Jerrard (4th May 2011 - 11:43:32) Jock, the truth needs to be told about what happened re Rob Evans. Three people gave witness statements saying that the Clerk had harassed one of the lady councillors, as widely reported in the Liphhok Herald. Rob Evans then raised this with the Clerk after a Council meeting. That caused three Councillors to make a complaint agaist Rob Evans. They were Anna James (the Clerk's second cousin), Nigel Newman and John Tough. At the hearing these were the only people allowed to give evidence, plus Katie Hunt, who did not reveal that she was Nigel Newman's girlfriend. The three witnesses to the alleged harassment, two of them Councillors, were not interviewed at all. That is how Rob Evans was stitched up. And by the way the Investigator had been a close colleague of Will Godfrey, the previous Chief Executive of EHDC. So much for independence! You might also like to know that there was at the same time a very serious complaint by two Liphook parishioners against Nigel Newman. The complaint was that Nigel Newman had threatened these parishioners with violence, made abusive comments to them, and was present and laughed when death threats were made to their son outside the Court in Aldershot. The only person who officially knew about that investigation was the Clerk. The Investigator (also not independent) ruled that there was no breach of the Code of Conduct because whatever Nigel Newman had done was in a personal capacity, and not as a Councillor. So perhaps Rob Evans may have been treated rather unfairly, don't you think?

Nigel Newman something positive - Katie (4th May 2011 - 12:49:30) Don, you talk the biggest load of rubbish! You really need to get your facts right.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - helen (4th May 2011 - 13:44:12) It certainly is clear that there is a "gang" intent on preserving the status quo on Bramshott and Liphooks council.. Regardless of someones public persona there seems to be things going on behind the scenes here which the public should be aware of. Shame that the Herald reporter does not do any real reporting! Is that because she is a friend of Nigel?

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Roger Newman (4th May 2011 - 15:16:37) Really, this is getting out of hand. Why cannot you simply support someone who has done a good deal for the parish, and ignore slanderous comments from parties who don't even live there. For goodness sake, parish council business isn't exactly high-powered, and Liphook has been extremely fortunate to have someone as dedicated as my brother working for you all.

Re: Reply to Cllr Nigel Newman’s “Herald” statement - Becky (4th May 2011 - 20:42:21) Because someone does the occasional good thing doesnt mean that they should get away with all the bad things they have done. I think people should think carefully about all these bad things before placing their votes and not letting Nigel Newman continue his corruption!!

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