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dr judge - NICKY (22nd Mar 2011 - 12:16:15) Will Dr judge ever come back to the Liphook area , We have heard nothing for ages, So has anyone got any news , how long will we have to wait so that we can see her.????

Re: dr judge - maxine (23rd Mar 2011 - 08:44:55) last i heard was that she was unaware what she was accused of or by whom. I have also heard that she had an elderly patient on so many different medications that she all she did was sleep all day where she was so out of it-her husband took her to the hospital after months of being treated by doctor judge to find out that she actually had a brain tumour and that was the cause of her symptoms and she didnt need any of the 28 pills a day doctor judge had her taking. But its all hear say. The fact of the matter is- doctors do not just get suspended for no good reason. I am a doctor myself, and they would not suspend her immediately unless a serious accusation had been made against her that questioned her authority as a medical professional and her ability to do her job. Launching petitions-although a kind gesture towards her, will not speed the process up or in fact play any part in her being investigated. Everyone is so keen to know when she is back and to petition for her return, and I am sure a lot of people have had good treatment from her, and she may well be a nice person, but has anyone actually stopped to think maybe she actually has done something she shouldnt?

Re: dr judge - sue pledger (23rd Mar 2011 - 12:35:16) Hi Nicky and the Whole of Liphook and surrounding areas, "DR JUDGE IS BACK" she has been reinstated as a registered GP and this is a Great day for us and has Distroyered any of the accusations that were wrongly placed on her by her partners who had their own agendas. We as a village NOW need to find a way to get her back working for us in Liphook. As the above partners will try and stop her any way they can!! WE ALL NEED TO PULL TOGETHER TO GET HER BACK TO US ASAP Any ideas as to where she might be able to get back please contact me, Sue Pledger on 01428723673 She does have conditions as all ex suspended gp have but it will not stop her as she is completely comitted to Liphook and us, and if those partners had any sence they would get her back before their numbers of patients reg with them falls any further. Also their are members of that partice that should depart as they are no longer trusted as human being much less trusted with our health and well being. Dr Sangita Judge Welcome Back, they put you through hell but you have prevailed as we new you would. Thank you for all your help villager's and friend's as this story has a happy ending. We just need somewhere she can practice from then we are home and dry. GMC 'conditions' can be found by checking her registration status (4298331) at www.gmc-uk.org - main one is - 6. a. She must confine her medical practice to general practice training posts where her work will be supervised by a named GP Trainer, as agreed with the Wessex Deanery and Hampshire PCT. b. She must seek a report from her supervisor(s) for consideration by this Panel, prior to any review hearing of this Panel.

Re: dr judge - GRAEME (23rd Mar 2011 - 15:03:44) Editor Don't you think, as an unbisaed editor!! that you have expressed an "Editors biased" view by digging into the GMC's report and digging out possibly the only two potentially negative parts of the report? No - who said I had to be unbiased, by the way ? Point 6 picked out of the conditions makes it clear that Dr Judge cannot start up her own practice, which is being suggested by Sue Pledger. It is not a negative part - it is a CRUCIAL part. This is NOT a government or council body running this site.

Re: dr judge - graeme (23rd Mar 2011 - 15:26:27) Maybe you should move with Dawn! Biased editor, what next you'll be standing for council chairman to complete your fiefdom (The estate or domain of a feudal lord)...sad man Hi Graeme, I'm not sad nor am I a Lord - I just happen to own www.liphook.co.uk. You are not required to visit this or any other web site on the internet. I would suggest that you might like to confine your surfing activities to the local council site at www.bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk in future.

Re: dr judge - Dave McGrath (23rd Mar 2011 - 15:55:18) Hi Editor Me thinks he must be anally retentive!!!! Keep up the good work Dave

Re: dr judge - Nicky (23rd Mar 2011 - 17:27:54) Gosh the doctors letter is very very strong and needs thinking about ..is she a doctor from the village surgery ????? Does anyone know if they are taking the right medication ? How on earth can you tell .is it something to do with trust

Re: dr judge - sue pledger (23rd Mar 2011 - 19:14:13) In reply to Maxine, You were completely mistaken and if you are a doctor and not been treated like this you are lucky because its a easy way to get rid of an inconvienant partner as has been proven by this. The GMC/ LMC/PCT were given so many cases at the same time, which they had to go throught, it was planned like this and put in place to throw them all into a spin, which they reacted to and has now been shown to be absolutely nothing. but Dr Judge still has to go through hoops to get back. So your, "no smoke without fire" is completely wrong and it has been proven. All GPs treated like this will have conditions placed on them, as a mater of course, but once the trainer has put in her/his report in these will taken away, as they should be. If you don't know the person your talking about its best you keep an open mind don't you think ??

Re: dr judge - Dawn Hoskins (23rd Mar 2011 - 20:25:48) I for one, would really like to know who this 'Graeme' is. . . . . I am not and have never been against Dr Judge. Although she is not my Doctor, I would never condone bullying behaviour against anyone. It is this precise thing that I have stood up against in the past that Graeme seemed to react so badly to [in the past]. to insinuate that I am against Dr Judge is quite simply - rubbish. I am always brave enough to put my full name to my posts - go on braveheart - tell us who you really are!

Re: dr judge - Nigel (23rd Mar 2011 - 20:54:29) I am very concerned by what I have been reading. The GMC ruling is very clear that conditions have been applied to Dr. Judge's reinstatement. They are clearly laid out and not at all ambiguous. She can only take General Practitioner training posts and be supervised amongst a raft of other conditions. I would say that the GMC would not be hoodwinked by anything put before them and they have allowed a route back into general practise but under supervision and under review in May 2012. For those with a close interest, I would suggest that you have a detailed read of the information on the GMC website which the Editor has highlighted. Also, the verbal vitriol must not be allowed to be directed at people asking fair questions. If you engage in public service you are under scrutiny particularly in the medical profession. A General Practitioner is a very important job as it affects all of us and I for one am glad the GMC are able to keep the high standards of the profession regulated.

Re: dr judge - NICKY (23rd Mar 2011 - 23:33:06) Maxine , Are you a Doctor in liphook village surgery..If you are it makes sence that you would write such a post. It makes me look at my own medication and wonder if it is right or wronge Is there a body of people in the NHS that can tell me maybe you can,.It surprises me that you listen to hear say.then print it can we have a party sue pledger to welcom her back may something good come out of something bad.and raise our glasses

Re: dr judge - liz (24th Mar 2011 - 09:09:52) Maxine are you really a doctor? You don't write like one.

Re: dr judge - maxine (24th Mar 2011 - 09:23:56) Well for starters, no i do not work for a surgery in Liphook-or a surgery at all in fact. I work in biomedical science.It is my job to understand the biological principles that govern the function of the human body, to discover the mechanisms of disease, and to find new ways to treat or cure disease by developing advanced diagnostic tools or new therapeutic strategies. General practice has never interested me-i would rather focus my attention on life threatening illnesses, than on coughs and colds. So for those worried about my position- please dont, i certainly do not have to worry about anyone 'forcing me out' Secondly, everyone is entitled to their opinions. My opinion is that there is no smoke without fire. If it was as simple as her colleagues wanting her out then there would have been no case to suspend her in the first place. Therefore there must have been some question as to whether she could do her job properly. And yes this may have been brought to attention by her colleagues-but still, if there was nothing in it then it would have been dismissed straight away. In my opinion-The fact that she can only work whilst being supervised shows the authorities lack of trust in her ability to work as a medical professional. For those concerned about what medications they are taking may i suggest that if they are that worried-seek a second opinion. There is no harm in requesting that another GP reviews your medication from time to time. Symptoms change, people change-therefore medication also sometimes needs to change. Always good to have a fresh pair of eyes review your files. Doctors are in a position of trust-absolutely. But what makes us doctors? Years of education and training and experience. But despite this, you must understand that doctors are always still learning. People assume we know everything-but sometimes we come across illnesses we have not encountered previously, or symptoms that look like one illness when in fact they may be something different. Not to mention how quickly diseases evolve these days. Last years flu virus is a completely different flu virus to this years. And we are expected to keep up! You can put your trust in your doctor-but you have to remember they are human too. And quite capable of making mistakes and overlooking things. So many of you take whatever medication you are given without even asking 'why am i taking this' 'what is it treating' 'and what are the side effects' ASK. And If in doubt-get a second opinion. As for me listening to hear-say and writing it. I may be a doctor but i am also a person-and equally interested to know what is going on in my local area. You think doctors dont like a good gossip too? At work i am expected to be 'non biased' to every fat/alcoholic/pregnant 12year old/drug dependent patient that walks through the door. Why should i not get to have an opinion when i am home? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is a talk back page-it is designed for the people of liphook to have a good old gossip about what is going on in liphook. if people dont want to listen to other peoples opinions then dont write the talkbacks-dont read the talkbacks and dont comment on them!

Re: dr judge - liz (24th Mar 2011 - 10:04:36) Maxine Ahhh thought so. Perhaps for the best that you are not a GP.

Re: dr judge - Ron (24th Mar 2011 - 11:29:20) Maxine. so you are not a doctor in a surgery , so you do not know what goes on in Liphook village surgery or how all this came about.So your post realy was a word of incouragement ...I do not think so......lets hope you never have to be pushed out of your job If you were ,lets hope you do not get the help that Dr Judge has Thank God we have the likes of sue,s around To Ron and Liz - I'm not sure why you are taking such a line against Maxine. Her comments seem to be accurate and informative.

Re: dr judge - Jane G (24th Mar 2011 - 12:12:14) Nigel's post above reflects a lot of common sense. I completely agree that anyone in a position, such as a GP, must be under scrutiny and let's be honest we wouldn't want it any other way. I believe Maxine is right to air concerns about Dr Judge's suspension as of course the public want to ensure their GP is offering them an exemplary service. I am not suggesting for a moment that she is a 'bad' doctor, as I have only heard really good things about her, but if, for some reason, she has made a mistake then the GMC and her partners have every right to investigate. I am not quite sure why Maxine is getting such a hard time, she is really only expressing probably what a lot of people think - our doctors are there to serve us, they are human beings and can make mistakes, and really isn't it better that the GMC are there to protect us rather than something awful happening to somebody, or a doctor who was negligent was allowed to continue to practice without some form of supervision. I am not suggesting that Dr Judge was negligent by the way! I hope that for Dr Judge's sake she is able to get on with the job of looking after her patients and continuing the excellent work she so clearly does.

Re: dr judge - Neil (24th Mar 2011 - 12:27:59) I don't have a massive input on this thread as I do not attend Liphook Surgery. But I have to say I for one think Maxine has some valid points and I cant understand why everyone beats people down when they have an opinion, as has been said before if outsiders read these threads they will be put off coming to Liphook. Maxine I welcome your comments and think others will as well but unfortunately you will never win against the few that have a blinkered view and don't want to think anything wrong was done despite the hearing. I guess I will now be getting the keyboard backlash :-)

Re: dr judge - Ron (24th Mar 2011 - 14:38:54) maxine I am sorry that my postings seem a bit harsh, Your post does make a lot of sence after reading it several times,being an old age pensioner i do not know who to believe anymore.I have read my postings again and yes i think I was a little unfare

Re: dr judge - liz (24th Mar 2011 - 17:11:09) Editor Maxine was drawing very a close comparison between Dr Judge and her own position as a doctor. She did not mention in her first post that she was not a GP - so her situation is very, very, different. I just wanted to clarify the situation and that has happened.

Re: dr judge - maxine (24th Mar 2011 - 17:45:43) Also NICKY You said i do not write like a doctor? How exactly do doctors write?

Re: dr judge - maxine (24th Mar 2011 - 17:51:46) oh...and Ron Thank you for the apology. I do not work in Liphook surgery no, but i am a registered patient there. We are not allowed to prescribe for ourselves so if i got ill that is where i would have to go. So i am well within my rights to comment on the situation.

Re: dr judge - Maxine (24th Mar 2011 - 18:44:04) oh dear me i do seem to have caused a stir lol The fact of the matter is-nobody knows why Dr Judge was suspended. Nobody knows if she is guilty or not guilty of whatever it is she has been suspended for. Its all speculation. Blaming her suspension on her colleagues is ridiculous-doctors do not get suspended because their colleagues 'have it in for them' But no matter what we all think, it is very unlikely we will ever find out the real truth behind her suspension-im sure she will make sure its kept very hush hush lol She clearly has her followers-and good for you. It is nice to see people so supportive of local professionals. But come on-how well do you REALLY know your doctor? That Dr Shipmen had a lot of follows a few years back....and wasnt he secretly giving the elderly lethal injections to 'put them out of their misery'? For those of you gunning for me- I am not implying this is the case with Dr Judge at all, but people need to realise that what you see of your doctor is a professional front. not the real person. As for the comment 'You are not a GP, probably for the best' When you have blood taken, who checks it for infection? ME. When you need a transfusion or a transplant, who matches your blood type? ME. When your doctor doesnt know what is wrong with you and sends you to a specialist or to the hospital for tests, who tells your doctor what is wrong with you and what medication you need? ME. No im not a GP...I can do more than just prescribe antibiotics thanks.

Re: dr judge - Ron (24th Mar 2011 - 19:15:24) MAXINE Thankyou for speaking so open and honestly you seem to do a good job .Like you I do not think we will get to the bottom of this whole mess. so keep up your good work

Re: dr judge - NICKY (24th Mar 2011 - 20:55:38) O dear , I wished I had never asked the question in the first place so I am going to let sleeping dogs lie and cope with the outcome so I rest my case although I must say it has been very interesting reading

Re: dr judge - liz (25th Mar 2011 - 10:20:03) Maxine It wasn't Nicky it was me. I was thinking of 'doctor' in the sense of those who treat patients. I would think it unlikely for a doctor of this type to become involved publically in malicous 'hear-say', however much they may gossip amongst their friends like everyone else.

Re: dr judge - Phil (25th Mar 2011 - 12:07:07) Reading these posts, the expression that's whizzing trhrough my mind is "With friends like these, who needs enemies?".

Re: dr judge - Dawn Hoskins (25th Mar 2011 - 14:32:39) I have never really had an opinion about this situation as I use a different surgery entirely, but as my name has been dragged into someone’s personal hate campaign it has at least prompted me to read posts made by other people. I have said all along that I would need to know what the suspected problem was before I could make and informed decision about it. This has never been forthcoming so I am just as much in the dark now as I ever was. If it was a trivial mistake then that would have a different impact that if it were a string of misdiagnosed patients, but as I said, I am in the dark so have been unable to draw any conclusions. I would like to have seen some sort of statement from Dr Judge ie: “I refute these allegations etc etc” that would have given me confidence that she had faith in her own innocence and practice skills. This was never forthcoming, but that might have been a restriction that was placed upon her? None-the-less the deafening silence about the cause of the investigation has been unsettling and remains so. Why can’t we know what happened – and why can’t we ask for this information without being seen as miscreants? Wanting the truth is human nature. I checked if the details were available, but they are not [for one of the following reasons]: Determinations of Interim Orders Committees / Panels are not published or Hearings that relate exclusively to a doctor’s health are held in private and the determinations are not published or Determinations are published a few days after the end of the GMC hearings. Meanwhile, although Dr Judge can practice, this has to be supervised, and a report from this supervisor has to be submitted to the GMC before her review hearing. She cannot be a locum or work on-call. I suppose that is because of the supervision thing. Quite honestly, I do not think these are onerous conditions given the amount of local support Dr Judge has. I imagine that she has the support of other Doctors at other practices who would welcome her into the fold as well as all the patients that will follow her to her new surgery. Have the Doctors at Dr Judge’s old practice made any sort of public statement about this, about why they initiated this action etc etc. I would be interested to know their reaction. Also, was Dr Judge an employee [or self-employed] – if she has been bullied in the work place then she should do something about it. Certainly, things that I know about, or things that I have witnessed first hand, I am all to ready to comment upon and be opinionated about. I am a person of strong opinions and like to debate with others of strong opinion. I do not need the agreement of others as I have faith in my belief system- I like truth and will fight for it. The words we say are not the people we are. Not agreeing with someone’s words does not mean that you should dislike the person – just their opinion on that particular matter. I also understand that people who have no wish for sensible discussion will instead subscribe to Ad Hominem attack. However, wrongly slating a person (like calling me poisonous for example!) does nothing to take away my message or my opinion. It is simply a way for people with poor debating skills to try to score points – when in reality it just displays their lack of ability. I have heard a lot of gossip about how dreadfully Dr Judge was treated, but am not in a position to comment as I remain securely in the dark – just as everyone else. I may not agree with some of the things that have been said, but I won’t resort to throwing out personal insults towards [real] people, whose values I know nothing about.

Re: dr judge - Eb (25th Mar 2011 - 20:55:33) I agree with you Dawn she was my doctor and very nice she was, But she was suspended and I feel I would need to know why before I could show my support and if she was innocent of whatever it was why will she need to be watched over when she's back to work, also how does anyone know she was forced out of the surgery.

Re: dr judge - Maxine (26th Mar 2011 - 19:05:14) LIZ I do treat patients?....your view of doctors not participating in gossip is completely inaccurate. we like a good chit chat just as much as anyone else. GP, Surgeon, Lab worker...'Doctor' covers a very broad spectrum of medical professionals-not just GP's you know. GP's gossip about their patients you know! A friend of mine works in Critical Care respiratory-unfortunately she spends most of her time certifying people deceased. She reads celebrity magazines in her break and has a screen saver of Brad Pitt. WE ARE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

Re: dr judge - liz (28th Mar 2011 - 08:39:03) Maxine My post was written in haste and I admit not very clear. I was referring to a GP or doctor in a similar position.You said yourself that you are not a GP and therefore "I certainly do not have to worry about anyone forcing me out", a less vulnerable position it would seem. That said it seems you misread what I said that WAS set out clearly. I said it was unlikely for a doctor of this type to become involved PUBLICALLY in malicious 'hear say', HOWEVER MUCH THEY MAY GOSSIP AMONGST THEIR FRIENDS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE". Well not my doctor friends anyway, they would be more circumspect. Where Brad Pit comes into this I have no idea!

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