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No Deal Brexit
- Adrian (19th Dec 2018 - 02:22:46)

I hope we get a deal as it's best for us and Europe but if we don't there may be some advantages.

We will be forced to buy more British Goods which can only be a good thing.

The delays at ports may also mean that Sainsburys will only be able to sell YELLOW BANNANNAS as they will ripen while waiting to get through customs.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Paul (19th Dec 2018 - 10:07:27)

The "thing" you call a banana is not a banana, it's actually a plantain! Banana's are small and sweet!

Re: No Deal Brexit
- helen (20th Dec 2018 - 14:20:22)

What british goods are available? we do not make anything any more?
All cars made in this country are foreign owned. Except the really expensive ones. People are not going to be able to afford to buy things. We import most things now, especially food.
I would be grateful if we would have another vote, then the brexiteers who see what a mess they have created may change their vote.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- helen (20th Dec 2018 - 14:51:15)

What british goods are available? we do not make anything any more?
All cars made in this country are foreign owned. Except the really expensive ones. People are not going to be able to afford to buy things. We import most things now, especially food.
I would be grateful if we would have another vote, then the brexiteers who see what a mess they have created may change their vote.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- anon (20th Dec 2018 - 15:12:35)

I work with 3 people aged 27, 48 and 59. All three voted to leave in original referendum, all three would vote to stay if given the opportunity of another vote. Says it all really and the diehard Brexiteers know they have been rumbled which is why they are so anxious to avoid any further votes on the matter.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- RE (20th Dec 2018 - 17:20:27)

There you go again Helen scaremongering again you remainers all the same .So no German or French cars no problem plenty of Japanese or good old ford .They will soon come running back when there factory’s fail.But did you now all the F1 cars have links in England because we have the best Technology and best technitions in the world.So we will probably start building our own again and create more jobs and beat the world at it .As for food our farmers can up there production quite quickly. Or we can buy from the rest of the world.The EU is in such a mess we must get out and start trading whith the rest of the world. Europe has lost its way.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Dave (20th Dec 2018 - 19:24:56)

Nonsense, the reasons why most F1 teams are based in the UK is historical, F1 started in the UK and there was plenty of disused airfields to use, it made sense to keep the talent together as well. But talent is exactly that, a person that can climb on a plane and live wherever they want, F1 staff isn’t 100% British, no where near it and post brexit I suspect a change will occur with F1.

Ferrari don’t seem to affected by not being based in the UK so why would any other team? Once brexit makes it difficult to move cars and people in and out it will change.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Boris (20th Dec 2018 - 21:38:13)

I can not wait to leave, we produce some great stuff in the Uk. We used to produce a lot more before the EU started giving our manufacturing capability to other European countries. People who voted to leave know it's the right decision and don't go around trying to spread a load of nonsense about lack of food blah blah. The fact that the EU have made it so difficult to leave is reason enough to leave. Another vote can not happen, democracy would be dead and that would be the real disaster. I don't care if we leave without a deal, bring it on, no problem at all.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (20th Dec 2018 - 23:49:12)

Yes, don't worry everyone. According to RE we can all drive Formula 1 cars when we turn our backs on the world in March!

RE, Japanese cars (which are assembled in the UK) and Ford (Dagenham) rely on just-in-time parts deliveries from Europe. British jobs will be lost when this system breaks down with import checks at Dover. They will simply build them in Europe, alongside the French and German cars

Are there really people who believe Britain can turn into an agricultural economy overnight?

Why are we doing this to our country? What is the benefit? You can have your blue passports anyway. We need a public vote on the deal. We just do.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- helen (21st Dec 2018 - 00:20:06)

the original post was buy British, no British cars to buy, Ford is American,
Honda Japanese and I cannot afford to buy a Mclaren, who was from Australia anyway. As for food, buying in from the rest of the world would drastically hike up the cost of most everyday items because we benefit at the moment from the collective buying power being in the E U. We have no trade deals in place with the rest of the world, they will not start negotiations until we have signed off on our deals with the EU.8

Re: No Deal Brexit
- R (21st Dec 2018 - 07:09:13)

Scaremongering? Not really, just balancing out the Brexitere lies that somehow, England in splendid isolation will become some type of utopia with the rest of the world hungry to trade with us on our terms. Can't believe that despite all the evidence building, the leave brigade are still in utter denial of the disaster looming ahead

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (21st Dec 2018 - 10:18:30)

Boris,

'We used to produce a lot more before the EU started giving our manufacturing capability to other European countries'. I think you will find that the EU did no such thing. How could they? British manufacturing was in decline before we even joined the EEC. We were the 'sick man' of Europe. Callaghan's government failed to tackle the problem, before Margaret Thatcher's economic reforms turned us into a service economy and she championed the Single Market in Europe. It is no wonder we got a leave vote if people think that the EU are removing our businesses and handing them out to other countries. Where are people getting these ideas?

'People who voted to leave know it's the right decision and don't go around trying to spread a load of nonsense about lack of food blah blah'. I suppose we could suddenly create a substantial agricultural industry and we can staff it with Eastern Europeans as we do now, but we will have to pay them £30,000 each to qualify for May's new immigration rules. Perhaps Boris can pick the potatoes?

'The fact that the EU have made it so difficult to leave is reason enough to leave' They have bent over backwards to give us a deal. They didn't have to. They are not trying to keep us in. Macron cannot wait for us to go. We are a total pain in their sides.

'Another vote can not happen, democracy would be dead and that would be the real disaster.' Why would democracy be dead? How is a vote not democracy? Anti-democracy is negotiating a poor deal and then not giving the public a say on whether we want it or not. The original vote was two years ago. A lot has changed. Also, nothing is stopping people voting the same way again - total democracy.

The vote to leave was based on:

1 - Relentless anti-EU press coverage for 20 years by press barons with a vested interest in pushing it, and a failure by successive Government's to contradict them, as it covered-up their own failings

2 - the vote was called by an unpopular Prime Minister who told people to vote remain. People affected by Osborne's austerity over six years wanted to send Cameron a message. Sadly, is it those most affected by austerity that will be the most adversely affected by Brexit.

3 - ignorance of the economic realities

4 - a referendum campaign based on lies all round

Still, at least Putin and Trump think Brexit is a good idea.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Janet (22nd Dec 2018 - 11:16:07)

Jack, I couldn't agree with you more!

You asked where people were getting their erroneous information about the EU from. I can answer that question: they've been getting it from the British press!

Over the last 25 years or so, there have been countless provocative headlines and dubious articles about the EU published in the anti-eu popular press. There are so many of them! If people read this sort of thing every day, then it seeps into their subconscious mind until they're convinced that the EU is "a bad thing" and then can't change that mindset. It's brain washing, essentially.

One only has to look at the huge list of articles and myths to see how people's minds have been infiltrated and manipulated.

If anyone is interested, here is a link where you can read the accusations and the EU's responses to them.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Boris (22nd Dec 2018 - 12:18:23)

Oh yes of course doesn't take long for the argument to turn to how those who voted to leave don't know their own minds. Couldn't buy a washing machine made in Britain until a couple of years ago as the EU gave that job to Spain, Italy and Germany.

The country voted to leave, a democratic vote I should add. We don't need the expensive governance of the EU to run this country or to trade.

Who cares what Trump thinks but throw him in there to try to ridicule those with an alternative view why don't you.

What's the EU really about? Money and Power simple as that.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (22nd Dec 2018 - 14:02:04)

'Couldn't buy a washing machine made in Britain until a couple of years ago as the EU gave that job to Spain, Italy and Germany' - Boris, what are you talking about? Point us in the direction of that particular EU directive will you?

Do you think you are helping the 'leave' cause?

Janet, your link from the EU was interesting. It led me to this, from The Economist in 2016: economist.com/graphic-detail/2016/06/22/debunking-years-of-tabloid-claims-about-europe





Re: No Deal Brexit
- Adrian (24th Dec 2018 - 14:00:23)

In my original post when I said buy British I meant buy goods made in Britain, I really don't care the nationality of the person or company who owns it, the fact is buying British helps our economy.
As for people saying the car companies will move abroad very unlikely. If there is no deal the import taxes will make their cars unsellable, and if there's a trade deal there will be no need.
As for the problem with parts being delayed in port the companies will simply build up extra stocks its really not rocket science.
Also out of the EU government contracts can be kept in country and don't have to be tendered to the EU for bids.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Lorac (31st Dec 2018 - 15:37:40)

The only reason Cameron allowed us to vote in or out of the EU was to get Farage off his back and put an end to his anti EU stance; it backfired and Cameron fled in fear of having to face a real come down from the electorate. We have now an opportunity to produce more goods for ourselves; no more French yoghurt or French cheeses dominating our shelves, let`start eating seasonally as we used to, no more out of season tasteless strawberries, no more new zealand lamb filling the meat shelves when most of our own home produced lamb goes off to France or Italy, `cos they are willing to pay more for it! Come on Brits, why not support our own food producers more, and if our own food costs a little more then we shall value it much more instead of being so wasteful. French farmers get a much larger subsidy from the EU than our own farmers do, (slap in the face from the French!) and we are giving them our money to do so. It has become a huge political monster with two mainly dominant nations holding sway over the rest of Europe.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- helen (31st Dec 2018 - 18:00:14)

I agree about buying more locally made food but it would be more than just a little bit more expensive, quite a lot more! The feed and labour and packaging costs are substantially more here. Also there are things most people now take for granted which cannot be grown in vast quantities as it is not warm enough here, such as tinned tomatoes, sweetcorn olive oil, All these are ingredients used in even basic things we eat. I cannot remember the last time I saw someone buying a fresh cabbage in a supermarket here, ( apart from me!) most people eat differently now.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- oldie (1st Jan 2019 - 00:02:54)

With all the concern about our carbon footprint, transport, pollution, dwindling natural resources, population growth, hunger, religious wars etc is it fair that we are importing our exotic foods and goods rather than eating what we grow and using (or re-using) what we make here?

I read a great article recently about cheap imported clothes, apparently virtually no young person has a sewing machine anymore or would even think of trying to mend a shirt rather than pop down to Primark and buy a load more new ones!

Anyway Happy New Year, Happy Brexit, make do with what you've got, the remainers will hate it!

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (1st Jan 2019 - 08:54:08)

Helen - I agree. I've tried growing tinned tomatoes in my greenhouse but I just can't get the tins to ripen properly.

Seriously, we can and do grow plenty of tomatoes here.
The vast majority of what we import is from poly tunnel growers in Holland and we can easily compete with that. As for sweetcorn, the majority of that comes from the US. We can, and will have trade deals with the EU and other countries. If you need to eat a bit of cabbage in March and April whilst this thing washes out I'm sure you'll be fine.

Project fear is in full effect and it seems some like nothing better than to panic. These are the same people who rush to Sainsbury's to stockpile milk and bread and yellow "bannannas" at the first sight of a flurry of snow. We need to get a grip. We REALLY do.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Boris (1st Jan 2019 - 10:24:01)

Completely agree buy local and buy British where you can. If I were an olive oil producer in Italy I would be very keen to continue to sell my oil to the UK and very angry if my government or the EU made it prohibitive. Producers across the world will still want to sell to the UK, are we really thinking that the EU could or even should stop that. It's all going to be just fine, better than fine

So excited to be leaving.

Happy New Year.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Diane (1st Jan 2019 - 10:35:03)

Just a thought, of course, they will be eager to sell to us but what are we going to sell to them and will they buy anything from us. We need to make money as well as spend it, don't we?

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (1st Jan 2019 - 11:42:53)

Diane. What do you think we're selling them at the moment out of interest? How do we make money currently as massive NET contributors to the EU and how is that going to change after Brexit?

Re: No Deal Brexit
- John (1st Jan 2019 - 16:52:10)

Can't get my head around some of the logic in play on this post, Boris makes the statement that an italian would be very keen to sell his olive oil to the UK, but all the leavers logic is that the Uk is the only country in the world.
The italian might sell 5% of his oil to us, the rest he will still happily sell to the rest of the EU, and we the UK customers will still want the oil and we are unable to produce it, therefore the Italian still sells us the same oil, but it costs our customers more!

Thr Italian is barely affected, but we are

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (1st Jan 2019 - 17:23:52)

John. Another example - we are the biggest market outside of Germany for BMW and Mercedes vehicles. They cannot afford to simply cease sales to our market in March, the numbers are just too high. We're not just talking about 5% of Olive Oil sales here, that was but one example.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- John (2nd Jan 2019 - 00:53:23)

Typical googlable leavers gaff by Geoff. BMW's largest market is China, Mercede's largest market is the EU and will remain after we leave.

No deal will certainly hurt them, but mentioning them is irrelevant in anything other than remaining in the EU as they don't sell 100% of their cars here, their are other countries that buy them and when that in includes the EU it will always be bigger than us, yet all that will happen is that the extra money will be passed onto us.

Italian and german still win, we still lose

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (2nd Jan 2019 - 07:28:37)

John. My profuse apologies for not being 100% clear in my wording. My figures related specifically to Europe. By order of highest sales first GLOBALLY it is China, the US, Germany and then the UK. The sales and numbers remain substantial and significant and what I said still holds. They will lose significant revenue should trading be restricted by a no deal Brexit. Depending on which figures you use we are the second or 3rd largest economy within the EU currently and us leaving will hit the EU hard financially. It is in nobodies interests for anyone to start cutting their noses off to spite their faces.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (2nd Jan 2019 - 12:29:46)

It makes me despair to read these comments about strawberries and BMWs. These are peanuts (or 'bannannas') compared to the real costs. Already, we have spent £4.2bn on no-deal contingency planning. That is four thousand, two hundred million pounds, the equivalent of 760,000 hip operations on the NHS, or almost the entire NHS budget for cancer care - we could have doubled our spending on cancer treatment this year instead. We are also planning to spend money on chartering ferries from a company that doesn't own any ships, because Chris Grayling wants to support a British start-up! Where does he think these ships are going to be built and how quickly. These are your taxes folks.

This expenditure is before we even leave. Factor-in the damage to the economy and the lack of investment in UK firms and the folly of Brexit is blindingly obvious before we even actually leave. The Government told businesses to put in place their contingency planning for a no-deal just before Christmas. I know of people being laid-off because their companies are transferring jobs to the the Netherlands and Germany, so that the business can keep trading effectively with their EU partners. This isn't Project Fear people, this is reality, right now. It may not affect the oldies who voted for Brexit, but for the rest of us, it is all very real.

The leave argument is already disproved, but we are going to leave. Mrs May is programmed only to take us out of the EU and the leader the opposition, despite promising to enact whatever policies his party decide (90% of Labour members want a second referendum, according a poll published today) is fully behind us leaving. So the damage will be done and our economy will be swept back to the 1970s on a tidal wave of misplaced nostalgia. Economies are globally inter-connected and we benefit from trade deals with 60 countries around the world as members of the EU. Instead, we are checking-out; the only country ever to decide to make itself poorer. What a silly country. Still at least we can grow our own strawberries (if we can find UK workers willing to pick them).

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (2nd Jan 2019 - 15:37:07)

I'm very confident we can make a huge success of a no deal Brexit. I'm not sure about May's bastardised version though.

Say we are successful, and I think we'll know in the short to medium term, how will the Remainers react? The single thing that has astonished me more than anything Brexit related has been the incessant and pernicious negativity, mainly on social media I have to say, of so called Remainers? How do we unite as a nation given the strength of feeling of Remainers and the humble pie they'd need to swallow if it's a success?

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (2nd Jan 2019 - 16:29:45)

Geoffers, it is already costing us a fortune and we haven't left yet. It is already not a success.

Let me reverse your proposition - if our economy tanks, unemployment rises, we cannot get quick trade deals to replace the very many we currently benefit from etc., will Brexiteers put their hands-up and say that they were wrong? Will they say that they made a mistake and that we should negotiate 'Brentry'? It seems highly unlikely to me. Almost certainly, the Brexit press and commentators on forums such as this will be blaming the EU, remain-minded folk, judges, business etc.

The negativity you sense comes from 20 plus years of unfounded EU-bashing and moaning by media outlets whose proprietors had a vested interest. If we had instead been reading about how much our economy benefits from our membership of the EU, the net tax (and NHS) benefit of immigration and the opportunities our membership offers our young people to live and work abroad then we would not have a divided country. I'm afraid that you can't expect people to come together just by telling them to accept that Brexit is a good idea, when to half the country it patently isn't.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Rölli (2nd Jan 2019 - 16:49:18)

Presumably Geoffers you will be happy to eat a huge portion of Humble pie if leaving the EU turns out to be a disaster for our nation!!!!??

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (2nd Jan 2019 - 17:25:16)

My turn to correct you, Jack. Less than half of the country. Much less than half of the country. 4 million. That's no statistical anomaly as the remainder doom merchants would have everyone believe.

Effectively, what you are saying is that Brexit cannot be a success, even if it is. Genius.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- helen (2nd Jan 2019 - 17:38:07)

Heard an interview on the radio with an American diplomat to the Uk,
who has said the US will not be giving trade deals with the Uk. Trump has promised full employment to his people, so why do they need our goods?

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (2nd Jan 2019 - 18:28:06)

Sorry Geoffers but 48% two years ago is near enough half. All recent polls show a majority for remain now so I was being generous to Brexiteers on that one.

I don't follow your logic on the 'success' point , but then I don't follow the logic of Brexiteers anyway. How can something be a success if it has already failed? I prefer to deal in fact, reported numbers and reasoned likelihood rather than fantasy, wishful thinking, nostalgia and strawberries.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter what you or I think; it is out of hands and the deed will be done, sadly.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Helen (3rd Jan 2019 - 01:14:50)

The previous posters are forgetting that when jobs here are lost due to our lack of trading partners we will not have the money to buy imported goods and those still in work will have to pay more for them due to the import tariffs and low pound. The money saved by leaving will have to go towards the trade deficit. It does not follow automatically that it will be put into the NHS. We owe the EU money.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Boris (3rd Jan 2019 - 10:38:55)

America are already our biggest trade partner, no reason for that to stop.

Germany is the next biggest trade partner which will be interesting to know how they will deal with that once we have left.

The Netherlands are I think our next biggest trade partner, they watch with interest and they are interested in also leaving the EU.

Cheap foreign labour in farming is not a reason to stay nor is it in anyway sustainable. Agriculture is much more automated now. We already import more than we export, this is something which we should focus on, start with the question 'why"

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Dave (3rd Jan 2019 - 11:36:13)

The ill informed and ignorant just keep going on and on.... applies to both sides!

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (3rd Jan 2019 - 11:59:50)

The EU as a whole is by far our biggest trading partner. We exported nearly 3 times as much to the EU as we did to the US in 2015, according to HMRC. That was before Trump's 'America First' approach and his cancelling of aeroplane parts orders from the UK. As long as Trump is president, the US will be buying American as much as they can.

The National Farmers Union Seasonal Supply of Labour survey, which only looks at seasonal agricultural workers recruited by labour providers, estimates that 99% of seasonal labour in the UK is provided by EU workers. These people are doing jobs that UK workers don't want to do. We can ask 'why' all we want, but we do actually need some firm answers from those that put us in this position as to how we will plug the gap.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- oldie (3rd Jan 2019 - 12:50:13)

Jack, we hear this a lot, how there could be no farming in Britain without poor, desperate immigrants. Well what sort of industry is that then?

We know that you can scour the poorest countries of Europe, bus over convoys of young people to live in portacabins for the season then bus them back, for wages the British people don't need or want. It's nothing to be proud of.

Before that, they used to employ British people for a little bit more (believe it or not) and youngsters, in fact whole families, would take a 'free' holiday fruit picking on the farms for a small wage, people thought outside of the box, the days before easy cheap foreign indentured labour, do the employers still hold onto their passports?

But nowadays our teens sit at home on the internet or go out getting drunk and no one feels the need to engage them, because we know the EU can send us millions more, half price!

That is one good thing that will need to change!

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (3rd Jan 2019 - 14:04:06)

I don't disagree with you Oldie, it is a shame that we cannot find British people willing to take on seasonal work. But we don't live in the 1950s now. It is compulsory for young people to stay in education until they are 18 and then they either go to university or to full time (or zero hours) work. To suggest that they are not doing either but that they are 'sitting at home on the internet or going out getting drunk' is ridiculous. Perhaps they do in their spare time, but it is not the reason our agricultural industry cannot find people British people to work on the farms for six weeks at harvest time. That is just lazy stereotyping of our young people. My experience of young people is that they are harder working generally than when my generation were at that age, despite the 'snowflake' rantings of their elders. They also generally drink a lot less.

If people are working full time or are in full time education, do we really expect them to drop-out to work on our farms, because we didn't think-out Brexit? Or do we create well-educated or trained youngsters to enable us to compete in global industry? We can't have it both ways.

If we cannot grow our own food with our own people, and we don't allow seasonal migrant workers from the EU, then we will have to import what we eat. How is that us being better off?

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jacob (3rd Jan 2019 - 14:09:07)

My gosh Oldie, you are really old. You are hankering for the good old days, when beer was 16p a pint and a fish chip supper would cost you 68p.

The world moves on, we can not stop it spinning. We need Europe more than they need us.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (3rd Jan 2019 - 16:31:11)

Jacob. We are NET contributors to the EU to the tune of £9 billion per annum. That's a fact. So please explain why we need the EU more than it needs us.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jacob (3rd Jan 2019 - 17:05:45)

Our country will go backwards & cost us more money in the long run. You only have to look at the BBC website today, re what the farmers regarding importing.

Why can't we wake up and see, how much this is going to cost us in the long run.

A god help the next couple of generations that have unpick this mess.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (3rd Jan 2019 - 17:42:35)

How about this from the BBC a few days ago Geoffers: 'All these figures point in the same direction. The UK looks more exposed in the event of disruption to trade relations', the conclusion of their article 'Does the EU need us more than we need them?' -
Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (3rd Jan 2019 - 17:45:50)

Jacob. All your doom and gloom should be backed up with facts - but hou don't have any because there aren't any.

You also do not answer my question, probably because you can't. The beeb are hugely anti Brexit, as is much of the mainstream media. Operation project fear is in full flight in the mainstream media, it always has been. Be anti Brexit by all means but please don't believe everything you read, Brexit related or otherwise.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (3rd Jan 2019 - 18:54:35)

Still no answers from Jacob.

If it suits you to keep panicking, feel free. It's happening though so you really are better off accepting it and getting on with it. Disenfranchised Remainers can try to make it harder for everyone else if they're that way inclined but nobody benefits from that.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Helen (3rd Jan 2019 - 19:43:20)

It is not a question of panic, food is already going up, no brexiteer has offered to
give me the extra money I am having to find.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Steve Miller (3rd Jan 2019 - 20:26:41)

Geoffers
Surely it is difficult to provide facts about something that hasn't yet happened. In the current situation we have to rely on our own judgement and that of others who we believe have the expertise and experience to understand the many complexities involved in leaving the EU.

Your judgement clearly differs from that of Jack and Jacob but you don't really have any 'facts' either!

As an illustration you state that the BBC are hugely anti brexit. You are of course entitled to hold this opinion but I don't see the facts that support it!

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Geoffers (3rd Jan 2019 - 21:04:18)

Steve - it's mainly ifs and buts at the moment as Brexit is yet to happen. It will happen, as you know, and I am confident that it will be a good thing in time. You're not. Fair enough.

What is certainly happening at the moment is that anything bad is, and will, be blamed on Brexit by people like Helen. Price rises have been happening since the year dot so how do you know any current prices are a direct result of Brexit? You cannot possibly know that with any certainty, it just fits your agenda and anti-brexit argument.


Re: No Deal Brexit
- Steve Miller (3rd Jan 2019 - 21:35:14)

Well to be fair to Helen one of the few facts that we can surely agree on is that the value of sterling dropped significantly as a consequence of the referendum result. Given that a large proportion of our food is imported is is beyond reasonable doubt that this impacted on food prices.

Moving back to opinion it seems highly likely that a 'no deal' brexit would have a further adverse effect for the same reason.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (3rd Jan 2019 - 21:47:42)

Our net deficit on payments to to EU is £7.5m when research grants and private sctor investments are taken into account. The damage to our economy will dwarf this sum. Our economy is heavily weighted towards services. We export to the EU nearly seven times the value of services than we import from them. This sector accounts for UK tax receipts of £72 billion. It won't all go, of course, but our major financial institutions have already opened their new EU branches in Paris and Frankfurt. When considering who needs who most, Jacob appears to be right (the Talkback one not the Parliament one!)

To suggest that the BBC is institutionally anti-Brexit is just nonsense and a rather desperate, conspiracy theory argument. The same conclusion on who needs who most was expressed by the Political Editor of Sky News, owned by the Brexit loving Murdoch. Even the Chancellor is clear that we will be poorer after Brexit. Show us your evidence of BBC bias Geoffers. Perhaps I'll give you an hour as you did for Jacob!

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (3rd Jan 2019 - 22:00:49)

*7.5bn, not million

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Charlie (3rd Jan 2019 - 22:33:40)

Don’t wish to add more diatribe, but feel the need to correct Jack’s comment in response to Oldie.
Children do not have to remain in full time education until they are eighteen. They can still choose to leave at 16, same as I did in 1975.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- helen (4th Jan 2019 - 00:03:23)

Have not blamed everything going wrong at the moment on brexit, I can
see what a disaster it has been already for our economy, I think a good proportion of people who voted out would choose to remain if asked to vote again. Just because I have not intellectualised the arguement does not mean I am lacking in comprehension of the financial disasters yet to come out of leaving the EU. All finanicial experts except one thought it was a bad idea not enough people listened.

Re: No Deal Brexit
- Jack (4th Jan 2019 - 07:23:30)

Charlie, maybe not just full time education, but youngsters cannot just drop out at 16 anymore. According to gov.uk: 'You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you'll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays. You must then do one of the following until you're 18: stay in full-time education, for example at a college, start an apprenticeship or traineeship'.

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