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Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Mike Gardner (19th Jan 2011 - 09:30:28) Driving to work this morning, bottom bend on Longmoor Road covered in ice and a car wreck in the ditch. Yet again. Thank God no-one appeared injured, but no thanks to the "authority" responsible for the perpetual waterflow across this area of road. Is it really asking too much for someone to do something about this awful but regular hazard? Anyone at home, are the lights on, local council, regional council, county council?.......

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - jo herridge (19th Jan 2011 - 18:31:28) I almost came off the road on the same bit of ice this morning. I was unaware it was there until I lost control of my car and swerved onto the other side of the road. Luckily there was no oncoming traffic or else it could have been nasty.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Dave (20th Jan 2011 - 18:31:26) The speed limit NEEDS to be 30 until after this bend in the direction of the A3, and 40 thereafter. It's so obvious that only a complete bunch of morons like the local authorities could think otherwise. Particularly after the planning permission given to Old Thorns where I was assured this was going to be considered but was actually completely ignored. Money is far more important than public safety it seems.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Simon Coyte (20th Jan 2011 - 19:37:21) I drove down the longmoor road at just after 7.00 am before the van had gone through the bridge the road was icy (not surprising it was -4C. Its not a speed limit problem, it is motorists not driving with regards to the conditions ie: slow down if it is an icy morning. Yes there is a water problem, flowing from Griggs Green Farm and that needs sorting but even if you had a 30 limit people would still come down there at 40+ Simon

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Dave (21st Jan 2011 - 01:42:05) I'm sorry Simon but it is incredibly naive of you to say that speed is not an issue down the Longmoor Road. Did you see the car that came off and where it ended up? I'm pretty confident that to skid that far as well as roll and end up in the ditch on its roof, that car was doing a fair bit more than the 40mph limit. Also, there have been many accidents and several fatalities down this road from what I understand, at times when conditions have not been so treacherous as they were yesterday. It is so obvious that the current speed limit is inappropriate, especially to those of us who live on or near the road and use it on a daily basis. Had the limit been 30mph on that corner, which I believe it should be and, had the driver of that vehicle been driving around this speed at the time when they hit the ice, then the accident would have been far less severe. When will someone in a position to influence these things wake up and get these speed limits changed? My suspicion is that we will need to wait until there is a multiple pile up at high speed along this road before anything is done. Sadly.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Katy (21st Jan 2011 - 10:10:42) Hi A colleague was directly behind the van when it went off the road and stopped to assist. He reckons the van was doing 25 - 30 mph tops as the ice was visible and they all slowed. Unfortunately the 30 mph would have made no difference as they were doing less than that anyway. What really needs to be addressed is the lack of gritting in our area.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Dave (21st Jan 2011 - 14:57:01) Sorry, I'm not buying that at all. Did you see where the vehicle ended up? How was the ice visible, it was pitch black at the time? The speed limits along Longmoor Road towards the A3 from the 40mph limit are dangerous and totally inappropriate and I'm frankly astonished than anyone other than a WUM would take the time to write a response on this message board suggesting otherwise.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Debbie (21st Jan 2011 - 16:48:33) Even if this car wasn't speeding it doesn't mean that cars don't speed down this road because they do! My daughter is due to start at Bohunt in September and I'm afraid that I will be one of those mothers that will drive a short distance rather than let her walk or even worse cycle up the Longmoor Road which is lethal. I live on the estate between the A3 and Old Thorns and the cars come off of the A3 at such a speed that it's hard enough to pull out onto the road in a car yet alone a bike and as for the speed that they're going when they take the corner where the accident took place I won't even go there! My only hope is if the new Losley development gets the go ahead the council will take the opportunity to revise the speed limit but I won't hold my breath!

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Dawn Hoskins (21st Jan 2011 - 17:43:38) I sometimes drive this route onto the A3, and have lost control of the car a couple of times on the frozen stream that runs over the road. That is with me expecting it to be there and driving very slowly in anticipation. You still skid on the ice - I think just because of the bend. The water flow needs to be addressed as everyone knows it is a major hazard. No point reducing speed limit as there are no police to enforce it. Just look at Passfield. In the years since it was reduced, not a single police turn out or a singe person stopped (to my knowledge). All that time of campaigning to get it down and no result - what a waste of time that really was.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Katy (21st Jan 2011 - 19:18:48) Oh Dave you really must have more faith in people, yes I did see where the van ended up as I too drove that way to work past the Highways man busily salting the road after the accident. It wasnt "pitch black" as it happened about 7.45am so I am ony reporting what happened from an eye witness. If it doesnt suit you to hear this then fair enough. Yes some cars speed, some cars dont, but this accident was due to a very dangerous icy road which should have been gritted, sad but true. Let's all be grateful the guy got out ok, very shaken but ok.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Dave (21st Jan 2011 - 20:59:25) Oh Katy. Did you have a problem reading Debbie's post? Are you related to the driver of the car and are trying to protect him because there really is no way he was going as slow as you say? For those of us who live in Griggs Green the speed limit is a big issue and Debbie is correct in everything she says. If you regularly have to pull out onto the Longmoor Road from either Griggs Green or Old Thorns then you would understand. There have been many accidents here previously and there will be more in the future if nothing is done. And Dawn, do you really think the correct reaction here is to bury our heads in the sand because you don't think reducing the speed limit has not worked at Passfield? I do hope for both your and Katy's sakes that when the next accident happens at Longmoor neither your family or friends are involved. Next time, some poor child walking to school may be involved -how will you feel then?

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Stephen (21st Jan 2011 - 21:27:00) Well said Simon - spot on!

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Phil (22nd Jan 2011 - 11:18:35) Dave - I admire your passion for road safety, but would objectively and politely suggest that this same passion comes across poorly - even aggressively - in your posts. I empathise with the points you raise, but do not agree with them all. I doubt the van driver set off that morning to crash. Simon - well said, you are entirely correct that inappropriate speed and driving style is the root cause of the majority of road traffic incidents. Best wishes, Phil

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Katy (22nd Jan 2011 - 13:34:48) Dave My last post on this thread as you obviously have made up your own mind, but anyway I don't believe I am related to the driver as I don't even know who he is. As stated before just reporting facts from an eye witness. Also, I turn on to the Longmoor Road 5 days a week so am aware of traffic on this route as much as you! Regards Katy

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - jo herridge (22nd Jan 2011 - 14:07:21) I was doing just under 30mph as I always do on that bend, I didnt see the ice and I swerved across the road even at a reduced speed. When I drive along the straight road past Griggs Green/Deers Hut and I am driving approx 40pmh or just above I often get over taken. obviously I drive too slow for some people!

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Jan J (22nd Jan 2011 - 18:22:36) This has been a problem for many years, i remember my late father who was a Liphook lad, talking off this, he would now be 93 years old, he always said that the old fashioned Sleeping Policemen(ramps) should be put across the road by the Deers Hut, this would slow the traffic down coming in and out of the village. Yes, i agree with a previous comment, Where are the gritters, i have as yet to see one this winter.

Re: Yet another car wreck on Longmoor Road - Dave (22nd Jan 2011 - 21:17:50) Well, Phil and Katy. I'm really not sure where to start with this response but this is an incredibly disappointing thread with some Ill thought out or considered responses on it. Phil - as erudite as you clearly believe you are you're obviously not averse to putting words into other people's mouths to suit your responses are you? Where did I ever say or suggest that the driver set out to crash that morning? I firmly believe that the speed limits are totally inappropriate on the Longmoor Road but I am in no way some sort of road safety crusader. I have lived in several different places in my life and I have never seen a road with such obviously inappropriate speed limits before. I am frankly extremely disappointed with some of the opinions expressed by you both along with the manner in which you have attempted to express them over a situation where safety is impacted and lives are being put at risk. In all honesty, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I look forward to your considered responses to the next Longmoor Road thread and can only hope the thread has not been initiated by the death or serious injury to someone along this road.

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