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Berg residents hate him! - Dan Stuart (19th Oct 2017  20:33:26) You won't believe what happened to this one driver who parked is car on his mother's estate! facebook.com/...

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Helen (19th Oct 2017  21:38:16) Having read the note I think it is a typical example of the mentality of some of the residents of the Berg who view their estate as a privately owned gated enclosure on a par with St Georges Hill Weybridge. Hardly a busy road!

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Richard (19th Oct 2017  21:47:20) I laughed...And if even something as minor as a wiper blade is damaged or paper gets stuck to the window it could be Criminal Damage as well!

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Dawn Hoskins (19th Oct 2017  22:50:55) Hilarious and well written (despite offence being spelt incorrectly) ! [note]This evening marks the second time I found this little gem attached to my windscreen after I have parked my car on the berg estate where my mother lives. It's a real cracker so I thought I would share and, since person leaving the note was too cowardly to leave their name, I have decided to leave my reply here as an open letter. Dear "The Residents" I regret to inform you that I will not be following the instructions left to me by yourself on two occasions. I would have thought that after I clearly disregarded your request the first time you left me your letter, that an intelligent person would have deduced that it may be futile to leave a second identical letter, unless of course that person was intending to make some sort of passive aggressive statement. Please note that my 4 year old niece employs similar passive aggressive tactics, which speaks volumes about your emotional maturity in this matter. I would like to address your points clearly so that there can be no misunderstanding of the situation, nor my position on this matter. "Please do not park your car in this location" My car was parked completely legally, There are no yellow lines or signs prohibiting parking of any kind. I was within acceptable distance from the curb. From a legal standpoint there is no reason for me to heed to this request. "The road is very busy at times and parked cars disrupt the flow of traffic and can be a hazard which may cause an accident" My dear resident, you live on an estate on the outskirts of liphook, not a busy street in the centre of London. The estate is not used as a through road of any kind. The estate is not particularly large and the houses are not condensed at all. If you feel that the ability to have both a front and rear lawn, porch and patio with room for a conservatory on your property constitutes a high level of density, I advise you to take a look at some of the larger estates in the cities such as London and Guildford which see more traffic per hour then the berg sees in a 5 days, and yet *Shock and horror* the dastardly plebs have cars parked on both sides of the road. If residents in the cities can find a way to manoeuvre their cars through their estates without hitting their neighbours cars, I don't think that you will have any difficulty. Should you truly be struggling with the task of not hitting stationary objects on a road over three car-widths wide, I invite you to arrange an appointment with DVLA to hand back your driving license as you are clearly no longer meeting the standards required to safely drive on the UK's roads. "If the parking of the cars persists in this road the matter will be reported to the police" Once I finished chuckling after reading this sentence the gravity of it hit me. You appear to have reached a level of mental gymnastics so advanced that you believe that something that you don't like can be punished by the police. Because you say so. Despite there being no legal grounds for a conviction. This sort of cognitive flexibility may even suggest some sort of mental illness and is rather separated from the reality of the situation. Let us lay out the facts for you clearly and concisely to avoid misunderstandings: - My car was parked completely legally - Parking legally is not a crime (Not punishable by law) - Knowingly reporting non-offenses to the police, as crimes constitutes wasting police time - Wasting police time is a serious offence (Section 5(2) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 - Carries a maximum penalty of 6 months imprisonment and/or a fine - Most common cases result in a Penalty notice for disorder (£80) - You have littered on my car by attaching your drivel to my windscreen - Littering is an offense - (Part 4 - Environmental Protection Act 1990) - Maximum Penalty - fine £2500 - You have left this demand on more than one occasion, which could begin to be conceived as harassment (Repeated attempts to impose unwanted communications) - Harassment is a serious offense - - Section 7(2) Protection from Harassment Act 1997 - Maximum Penalty: Level 5 fine and/or 6 months "We hope this will be unnecessary" Indeed, let us hope this is the case. Hopefully you fully understand my position on this matter now. I will consider the matter closed There will be no further need for communication. Finally please stop littering on my car, it's bad for the environment and we are trying to save the planet - Please recycle as I have, by using these notes as toilet paper. Kindest regards Dan[/note]

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Ginny Stacpoole (20th Oct 2017  10:48:43) Dawn, I thought that about the word "offense" but, on checking, found it can be either. However, it doesn't look right.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Onsie (20th Oct 2017  11:49:37) I can't believe they even went to the detail of typing their request too............ but only one person has actually done that & is hiding behind all 'the residents'..........oh soooo funny. But great response, do keep your SOH as you are oh so right on this position.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - IS (20th Oct 2017  12:01:16) I don't think it is fair to just point the finger at residents of the Berg as they are far from being the only residents in Liphook who get themselves in a worked up state when "others" park near there houses. Crikey just look at the previous postings on Talkback re parking in The Avenue, Portsmouth Road, Midhurst Road, Maple Park, Newtown Road. Awful lot of residents are staking a claim to the road outside their front door regardless of any parking restrictions. Only going to get worse as well

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Jack (20th Oct 2017  12:07:21) Can you imagine if they lived on the Headley Road :-)

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Onsie (20th Oct 2017  12:53:29) Re IS no but it is those residents that put their request in writing.....how arrogant and superior of them..& how silly too.... if I had an old transit,or even a tractor I would just go & park it there.....as long as it has road tax and parked properly there is nothing they can do. Get over it !

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Jackie Bond (20th Oct 2017  13:16:35) Jack my thoughts exactly!

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Helen (20th Oct 2017  20:36:53) I think we should all make a point of parking there!

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Sian (20th Oct 2017  20:58:17) Dan, you haven't mentioned whereabouts you parked that caused such consternation...

Re: Berg residents hate him! - B (21st Oct 2017  19:34:43) Why didn't he just park in his mother's drive?

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Bubbles (21st Oct 2017  19:37:48) I had a similar problem at Bramshott Place as apparently I was not parked correctly between the white lines There were many other places to park but apparently I was too close to someone's personalised parking spot. When I parked, the car next to me was close to the white line so I left space for them to access their car and therefore was just over the line. It is public parking for residents and visitors except I encroached on someone's favourite spot and therefore had a note fixed to my windscreen.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - dan2 (21st Oct 2017  22:03:03) Sounds like he's just trying to make trouble - park outside his mothers house

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Jen (22nd Oct 2017  00:51:44) Dan2 how do you know that he wasn't parked outside his mother's house? He might well have been. His post doesn't say that he wasn't.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - James (22nd Oct 2017  08:10:42) So clearly this guy has a driveway to use, but chooses to leave his car elsewhere, just to antagonise others. But hey, I guess he is saving in buying a car park ticket and justified by posting on Talkback. Sounds like a lovely neighbour to have.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Jack (22nd Oct 2017  08:19:49) IS you are right. And it will just get worse for all the Liphook roads. The Parking Eye in The Anchor will spread, like it has in other areas, moving people to park cars to the annoyance of residents everywhere.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Helen (22nd Oct 2017  17:40:23) You could be wrongly assuming that his mum has a free driveway? She may have her own car to park in her own driveway. Why assume that mum does not have a car? She may have a husband, partner, son or daughter or lodger who also parks their car on this driveway. We are missing the point anyway? I have a driveway but it can be difficult to access for visitors when my car is parked there, so visitors pull up in the road, but no one sticks rude notes on cars where I live.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Penny (24th Oct 2017  15:40:50) I loved Dan Stuart’s post. Extremely well written and extremely amusing. Makes a change. IS there are no restrictions on the Berg if cars are parked in the road providing they are parked correctly ie close to the kerb and parallel to it. B I think Helen’s very sensible post adequately answers your post. There could be many reasons why he did not park in his mother’s drive and in any case he was not doing anything illegal by parking in the road. Dan2 I hope you were being saracastic. Otherwise that is a terrible assumption that Dan Stuart would park outside his mother’s house and I quote “Sounds like he's just trying to make trouble”. I would say the same thing to James’ post and again I quote “So clearly this guy has a driveway to use, but chooses to leave his car elsewhere, just to antagonise others.”

Re: Berg residents hate him! - D (24th Oct 2017  19:13:48) Does seem a little strange as just about every house on that estate has a garage and a good sized driveway. If the poster was visiting his mother, and parked on the road, then I imagine he would be outside his mothers house, or one of the immediate neighbours, so seems strange to have a note fixed to the windscreen? I can only think of one house (the very first one on the right as you drive in) where you might not be parked outside, and could cause inconvenience to other road users if you were parked too close to the junction with Midhurst Road. There does seem to be an increase in multiple cars parked there over the last few months so maybe that's where the poster was parked causing a problem? If it was (and it's noticeable that he hasn't enlightened us where he was parked on the estate) then maybe in future he could park nearer to his mother driveway and not near to the junction with Midhurst Road? If he could then everyone would be happier. If on the other had he wasn't actually visiting someone who lives on the estate, and maybe lives on the Midhurst Road, then perhaps he could park further into the estate to make turning into the junction easier? The same goes if he was parking there all day to go to the station! Maybe that's why he received a note if his car had been seen parked there all day on regular occasions? Obviously unless he lets us all know everything is pure speculation............ maybe the whole truth isn't being shared by all parties?

Re: Berg residents hate him! - helen (24th Oct 2017  20:48:13) I think though the point about it being legal to park there is being overlooked. Whether or not all houses have driveways or not, visitors do happen surely? where should workmen park when they come to do a job. If it were illegal then you have good cause to moan about illegally parked cars, no one owns the roads or the resultant parking spaces on those roads.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Tanaka (26th Oct 2017  14:02:15) Dan's letter is hilarious and spot on, hopefully putting this anonymous professional moaner in their place. Well done Dan. Life is too short to enter into pointless squabbles, but I see you needed to put your point across this time. If you're not a lawyer or advocate already, you should consider becoming one. Please keep on parking where you choose to.

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Ben (28th Oct 2017  14:17:06) I don’t see why you are all blaming the whole of the berg estate for something that one person has done?

Re: Berg residents hate him! - Debbie (28th Oct 2017  18:07:00) To be fair Ben if you look on Facebook the printed letter has been signed by “The Residents” so this is either one person who has decided to represent all the the residents without their consent or it is all the residents.

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