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Are journalists worse than politicians? - Ian (16th Jul 2015 - 13:30:10) Having read todays front page of The Herald I really do despair at the amount of spin, BS, manipulation of data and statistics that we the public seem bombarded with from both the media and our politicians. We are overwhelmed with journalists and politicians claiming this and that whilst manipulating flimsy statistics and presenting opinions as fact. And when they are caught out they claim mis-speaking or that errors made by them are accidental and should not be construed as a deliberate attempt to misrepresent the facts of a case. And it should not be assumed this post in anyway reflects either a positive or negative opinion about any or the proposed new homes in Liphook.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - liz (16th Jul 2015 - 14:25:47) The Herald has been like this for some time sadly, that's why I gave up buying it. A pity as it used to be an excellent local paper. No doubt bemoaning the SDNP's rejection of the Bohunt development - a project one of their reporters has been blatantly pushing at every opportunity since the start.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - Paul Robinson (16th Jul 2015 - 19:27:01) You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there's no occasion to. Humbert Wolfe (1885 - 1940)

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - stacey (16th Jul 2015 - 23:28:43) I have not had a chance to buy the paper yet what does it say then please ?

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - Dawn Hoskins (17th Jul 2015 - 12:20:02) I wouldn't read it if it was given to me. Before I was a Councillor the one-sided biassed and often completely and utterly untrue stories were so appalling that I stopped my weekly subscription to Liphook Herald. It just made me so angry. During the period when I was a Councillor it was still bad, although not quite so horrendously fabricated. Rita Skeeter used to sit in on the same friendly and collegiate meetings and then report that we were all at each other's throats?! We used to email each other just to check we were at the same meeting - truth / facts - not interesting - rumour speculation slanderous gossip - great - getting Bohunt built in the face of overwhelming opposition - even greater. Do you remember the meeting in the Millennium Hall - crammed with over 250 locals, every single one against building in the National Park - Rita Skeeter STILL managed to make a positive spin of it. How she manages to hold her head up & around without wearing a disguise is beyond me. I wouldn't believe a word written in the paper now - not knowing the truth compared to what was churned out for local people to read, and believe every week.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - IS (17th Jul 2015 - 12:20:42) Gabrielle claims that there is unprecedented and overwhelming support by the residents of Liphook for the proposed Bohunt Manor development. Um?

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - liz (17th Jul 2015 - 15:15:23) There are some journalists who will never let the facts get in the way of a 'good' story. I can't say if Gabriella is one of them but she does seem out of touch with the people of Liphook and appears to have her own agenda. That's why I stopped buying the Herald.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - stacey (18th Jul 2015 - 10:27:18) The local conservative party and EHDC possibly support the Bohunt application for business reasons. The owneres of Bohunt Manor immediately affixed their Damien Hind poster on the land immediately, and EHDC are building up commercial property interests. They already own the land/building on the A3' the travelodge. They mean to make more business purchases such as this, so Bohunt Manor presents itself? put two and two together. EHDC have refused permission for the nursing home on the OSU site, and are considering buying the land themselves. Unfortunately, if they are possibly looking at planning applications along these lines, do impartial planning decisions go by the wayside? The Herald is still owned by Sir Ray Tindle, who donates a huge amount of money to the conservatives locally. It is no surprise that the paper will reflect the tory line.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - Val (18th Jul 2015 - 12:59:52) Stacey what evidence do you have that the local Conservative Party support the Bohunt application? I ask the question because I have never seen any evidence supporting your assertion. The owners of Bohunt Manor do not own the land in question so I assume you mean GVI who are applying for houses on the Bohunt Manor Frontage Land. Either way just because a poster has been placed on the land it does not mean the owners of the land are implying the local Conservative Party are supporting their application. It means that they are giving their support to Damien Hinds, the then Conservative Party candidate for East Hampshire in the forthcoming General Election, and I have never read or heard Damien Hinds supporting this particular application. With regard to your statement that EHDC may possibly support the Bohunt application it is well to note that this particular application is not under the jurisdiction of EHDC as it is situated within the curtilage of the South Downs National Park and the SDNP will make the final decision. With regard to support for and against this application all I will say is that I have heard the views from as many people who support the application as I have against. I feel the numbers of the "fors" and "against" are very finely balanced. That is my personal experience not based on any published figures.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - Stacey (18th Jul 2015 - 15:29:14) I was told by local Conservative Party members that they are given these pointers / encouragements to support or object about different planning issues at their meetings. As I am not a paid up member of the Conservative Association, I cannot give any documentary proof, but upon talking to different local people about this issue, then this leads me to think that. The published support of EHDC is there for every one to read. There is no dispute that the local newspaper is a conservative party donor. GVI is of course owned by unknowns, as the very clever way of putting 2 nominees from Lichtenstein to front the trust. It is a secret trust, whose accounts are registered secretly in the British Virgin Isles. There is no way of discovering who the real owners are. The names available just administer the trust on behalf of the owners. This is also for tax reasons, as there is then no corporation tax payable in thus country on the profits. EHDC members have consistently misled local people in that they have been ignoring the National Park policies, and many people did not even realise that it would not be decided by EHDC. Over riding NPPF Planning policies were the reason it was refused.

Re: Are journalists worse than politicians? - Dawn Hoskins (18th Jul 2015 - 17:53:20) Maybe that's why Bill Mouland voted in favour of it then? Also, only the first decision is by the SDNP. I think that the appeal goes to the normal government 'red stamping' department - so it is a long way from refused yet! That's local planning for you.

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