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Visitors of the Green Dragon - Karmen (29th Nov 2009 - 09:51:48) We live in London Road - unfortunately, close to the Green Dragon. At 11pm when they close, their "visitors" all filter through to the Kebab shop across the street. In their druken state, they cannot just get a kebab and go home, no, they have to entertain the cars and people that drive/walk past them. At 1pm this morning, for example, one of the girls (that, to be honest, cant be older than 16 years) decided to flash her breasts at one of the cars that was driving past. They stand in crowds of about 15 in the middle of the street, and another favourite thing to do is to press the traffic light pedestrian button to see how many cars actually stop. Police take about an hour to come out and as Murphy would want it, by that time they have left. I am just wondering where the Green Dragon's responsibility ends? These kids' lives are in danger - they can easily be run over by one of the cars that they flash or try to stop. As you all might have seen, they also have a habit of painting "nice images" on house walls and even Lloyds Bank was in the line of fire. How can we stop this?

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Dee (29th Nov 2009 - 12:19:56) Here is the problem as I see it: Pub open all day, people can drink all day for over 12 hours. You stay in pub get drunk, noisy etc then when they shut they expect you to go home quietly, some hope. Perhaps the police ought to be there at chucking out time for a few weeks, and also the check to see if any underage drinkers are getting served, perhaps this would help the problem. Not much help I know but I do sympathise with you. Having walked past them on firday and saturday nights. Dee

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - ali (29th Nov 2009 - 16:41:48) Maybe it would help if the Dragon was closed at 11 instead of keeping open till 1.

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Clem (29th Nov 2009 - 18:20:59) The responsibility doesn't lie solely with the drinkers although I wholeheartedly agree that the behaviour in the village centre, and particularly on London Road, is appalling come kicking out time. The fact is that any individual licenced to sell and serve alcohol is required to refuse to serve any further alcohol to some one they deem to be drunk already. Perhaps the licencee of the Green Dragon is more concerned about profits than her legal responsibilities. She has a duty of care to the people she serves and these are not being met. My boyfriend and his family live on the London Road and the noise and general behaviour of the Green Dragon's "patrons" upon leaving the premises needs to be tackled. Liphook is such a great village to live in: until the sun goes down.

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Paul Robinson (30th Nov 2009 - 08:03:59) Whilst I have no brief to defend the licenced trade in general or the Green Dragon in particular, I think we should appreciate that we have two public houses in the village but just one kebab house. Could it be that the recent closure of the Railway Hotel has moved a problem area from the station forecourt to the village centre. I would also add that inspections of the allyway at the side of the kebab house have in the past revealed empty wine bottles that have not been purchased from either of the public houses but, more likely, have been taken from the drinks cabinets and wine racks of home! Paul Robinson

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - claire (30th Nov 2009 - 12:40:53) Karmen I would strongly suggest that next time you look to buy or rent a property you have a look at the locality first. I am sure the pub would have been there when you purchased/rented your current abode. Lets not confuse 'high spirits' with 'anti social behaviour'. I agree anti social behaviour is unacceptable but you have to accept a degree of noise etc if you choose to live near a pub (which i do). Maybe the way to go is the ' if you can't beat them, join them' lol, i hear the Dragon has been having some good live music on lately and that is great to have in the village.

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Neil (30th Nov 2009 - 14:18:03) Claire, well put. I have to say I was surprised reading this thread, I drink in the Dragon and find it the best pub in the village, its the last of a true village pub. Karen and Barney do a fantastic job in creating something for all, I have been in there a few nights up to kicking out time I never seen any bad behaviour of locals, most people that drink in there have gone past that age. If anything I would agree with he other post that it is also people from the Anchor which is a younger age of people, I have herd many a tale of drunks in there causing havoc during kick out. So before jumping on the Dragon pop along and chat to Karen about your issues I am sure she would welcome your comments.

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Neil (1st Dec 2009 - 09:56:20) Just to put one point right the Railway is still open, the board in the window is only due to broken Glass. It shoudl have been handed over last week but think the deal might be going south for the winter.

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - barney (1st Dec 2009 - 17:56:17) hello karmen found your comments interesting , as u live that close to the dragon u possiibly may have noticed that there are various other establishments in the village that serve alchol and close at the same time as the Green Dragon,we cannot dictate to people where they go after closing time. Perhaps the closing hours of the Kebab shop should be addressed. The people hanging around outside the Kebab shop did not come from the Green Dragon. We regularly liase with the police at pubwatch meetings where the subject of youths hanging around the village is regularly discussed. As for the Liphook website, l thought the idea was to support the village and its businesses, not for small minded people to hide behind a computer screen and slander people who are trying to make a living

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Sumi Olson (2nd Dec 2009 - 11:14:05) Hi Whilst I really do sympathise with anyone caught out by the effects of anti-social behaviour, I do wonder why the Green Dragon in particular is being singled out for blame. If responsibility lies anywhere, surely the young people themselves (and their parents) need to be held into account too? The Green Dragon are not pouring down copious amounts of alcohol down these youngsters' throat - they appear quite capable of purchasing their own supply and doing it themselves. These young people presumably go home reeking of drink and smoke - if the Green Dragon is getting some of the flak, what can be said about the parents who can see the results of a "night out with friends"? And if they say can't do anything, then why expect the publicans? It's the same sort of attitude nowadays where teachers are expected to offer life skills and discipline instead of parents stepping up to the plate. BTW I've no personal connection with the Green Dragon, and know the demoralising effect of sound pollution from experience... Sumi

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Paul (2nd Dec 2009 - 12:28:35) Karmen Just to reinforce what others have said - regarding perhaps you should have given it a bit more thought before moving in so close to a public house and how do you know that these high spirited youngsters have come from the Green Dragon ? Did you follow them out of there ? I drink in the Dragon both at night or in the day with my young family and have found the clients law abiding citizens and certainly don't see underage drinkers in there so your aged 16 person would most likely not have been drinking in the Green Dragon Paul

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Chris (2nd Dec 2009 - 13:11:25) In these days where it is the norm to get tanked up and then publically act like a complete moron it is interesting to note how many purveyors of alcohol (pubs, supermarkets and off licences), seem to want to distance themselves from the issue and claim that it is not their responsibility whilst at the same time making big money from it. When the government gets fed up with spending huge sums of money policing and treating the ever growing numbers of victims of alcohol abuse (more than they make in revenue) then you will see legislation brought in to make ALL suppliers more accountable. It won't be long before the example set in Scotland comes south of the border.

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Karmen (5th Dec 2009 - 17:00:14) Hello All! Thank you for your comments, and i appreciate all the differences of opinion. First and foremost i would just like to clarify that I am not blamming the Green Dragon alone, I do realise that there are other pubs such as the Anchor, but that is besides the point. These youngsters, whether they had drunk at the Anchor or at the Dragon or taken it from the liquor cabinet at home are not just "high spirited" as mentioned, they are down right dangerous to themselves and to others. Myself and my fiance have both witnessed a young girl taking off her clothes in the middle of the road and then refusing to move! Should we just run her down? Get out of the car and speak to them nicely? Just to clarify something, we have been placed in Liphook by the company we work for and didn't exactly choose where to live. We really do like Liphook and it has a real family atmosphere to it... that is until the sun goes down! Me and my fiance are also very young at heart and we enjoy a drink or two at the pubs, so its not so much the noise levels that bother us as much as it is the serious anti-social behaviour. And as for those that believe we are hiding behind a laptop screen, we have spoken to the Green Dragon. We have spoken to the police, and we have spoken to the kebab shop. The point that I am simply trying to make is this: these youngsters are placing their own lives (and others) in danger and I do not think they realise this. Perhaps parents should pay more attention to what their kids are doing after the sun sets?

Re: Visitors of the Green Dragon - Dawn Hoskins (21st Dec 2009 - 15:32:31) Recent behaviour by 'parents' could be a case in point!! Hope you both recover soon enough to enjoy Christmas without the behaviour of this moron spoiling everything for you.

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