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Threads not getting posted - Liz (13th Nov 2009 - 09:56:35) I am concerned that some peoples threads are not getting posted on my survey. I have a friend who tried to post a reply on a different subject and it has not appeared, apparantly this is not the first time as others have told me the same thing. Why is this site being censored if this has happend to you please tell your account here. If I get no replies you know what is happening. The posts that have not been published on this site were not rude or containing any banned subject matter such as racist or violent content. Therefore no reason to censor them.

Re: Threads not getting posted - Editor (13th Nov 2009 - 10:01:27) Hi Liz No posts have been censored for your 'survey'. Some posts have not NOT been accepted on the 'Parish Clerk' and the 'Freedom of Information' threads, where the content has not be appropriate or helpful and where in those circumstances the persons FULL CORRECT NAME has not been used by the person posting. Alan

Re: Threads not getting posted - Sue W (13th Nov 2009 - 10:23:37) Hi Alan Just read your reply to no posts being displayed. Funny looking back on both threads there are number of post WITHOUT FULL NAMES and dubious content.

Re: Threads not getting posted - liz (13th Nov 2009 - 11:21:14) Liz - I have to admit that my reply to your breakfast cereal thread was a bit of an experiment. I have been refused posts in the pastbecause I have did not want to give my full name in the post, even though it seems OK for others. I have used the same email address for years which contains my full name so I am not 'anon' to the editor. It seems at the moment it is OK to be 'liz'. I suspect that Alan can't be editing 24/7, 365 days a year and that some editors are probably more strict that others so we get this apparent 'censorship'. It would be interesting to know.

Re: Threads not getting posted - LIz (13th Nov 2009 - 11:54:43) "appropriate or helpful" To who? Is this an editors decision?

Re: Threads not getting posted - dave moor (13th Nov 2009 - 12:04:50) some people can have there say and some cant ?

Re: Threads not getting posted - Editor (13th Nov 2009 - 12:09:13) OK - I must be getting confused ! There are 2 Liz's posting. Liz (who has a partner called Steve) started the thread "Food for thought survey" and she also started this thread. From the comment from liz (small L - different liz), they appear to think that a post was not accepted on the food survey thread. The only post from liz (small L) was "I prefer bacon and eggs myself..." and this was accepted. I can find no other recent posts (since 1st October) from liz (small L) which were not accepted, unless she has been using different email addresses and names - liz (small L) please enlighten us with the thread and what you wanted to post. ----- Sue W - we have been through all this before - if we only accept FULL names then some things will not get posted which really need to be said in public. However, I have to draw a fine line between what is and isn't acceptable. Sometimes what was acceptable at the start of a thread becomes unacceptable later on. ----- Some posts from Reg, terry, freddy, jim (and others) have now been pretty much proven to be coming from a councillor using a USA based proxy server to hide their true UK identity. The difficulty is that each time a different (suspect fake) email address is being used, which makes it hard to spot until after the event. Future posts will not be accepted from the person, unless their full name is correct. Maybe someone could come up with an official workable compromise. Alan

Re: Threads not getting posted - Dawn Hoskins (13th Nov 2009 - 12:14:45) Would you be prepared to tell us who that councillor is please? I would be very interested to know.

Re: Threads not getting posted - liz (13th Nov 2009 - 12:27:11) Editor Apart from comments on a couple of very factual threads (using my full name because I didn't think I had any choice) I have not tried to post anything on this site for over a year. This was following a refusal of a thread on the grounds that I was not using my full name. It's so long ago that I can't even remember what I was trying to post, but I do remember that it was only my name that was the issue - it was not a contentious thread. I emailed you separately outside 'talkback' and received no reply. Needless to say I was a little ticked off........ After being accused of being a man, two men(!) and heaven knows what else on the site in the past I decided the conspiracy theorists had finally taken over the asylum!

Re: Threads not getting posted - Chris (13th Nov 2009 - 12:34:41) As you have previously alluded to Alan we do not want this site to become like the Basingstoke one so some form of vetting for content is correct. (I am in the US at the moment so this may also come via a US based Proxy Server...I am not said councillor(s) though).

Re: Threads not getting posted - Editor (13th Nov 2009 - 13:17:21) liz (small L) - so you did a good job of confusing me then, as the comments related to a post that was refused over a year ago. I really wish I hadn't just spent an hour of my day searching for a 'non' post ! Dawn - I don't think it would be safe to 'out' "councillor" Reg, just incase the evidence is flawed. But future posts from any similar names / servers will be checked very carefully. Alan

Re: Threads not getting posted - Dawn Hoskins (13th Nov 2009 - 13:28:02) Hi Councillor Reg!! Now that your devious dual personality has been discovered, (despite your attempts to cover your tracks by electronic means) I bet you’re wondering why you didn’t just phone me up aren’t you?! Would have been much easier. What an awful lot of trouble you have been to just for little old me – I wonder what lengths you would go to if you wanted to cover up issues bigger than just your concealed identity. Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Well, we know that you spent 30 years catching the 6.09 train to London, so surely in all that time you should now have gained an awareness of how ‘rumour mills’ actually work – seeing as your fake persona has been responsible for the main story line. Also, as a councillor privy to confidential information you know very well what level of assistance I have given, to whom, at what time, and for what reason. You must therefore also be aware that this confidential information has never been released, as is correct. ~Although you seem to be doing a good job of trying to get this information into the public arena. Naughty boy. Also, why are you trying to goad your fellow councillor Ms Easton into leaking information, is it to make yourself feel better for doing just that yourself? I do understand Councillor Reg, that you are P’eed off as a tax paying parishioner. I am too. Particularly at the amount of time, effort and energy put in by you and your colleagues in your efforts to cover up big issues like massive payments to staff in addition to their wages and the huge legal expenses incurred in doing so. But, as you have already established, you are a master of covering you tracks, so maybe it hasn’t been very much of an effort for you at all…………. Don’t be surprised if we all start calling you Reg from now on my dear.

Re: Threads not getting posted - liz (13th Nov 2009 - 13:34:01) I'm genuinely sorry if I wasted your time Alan but if you read my post carefully you will see that I made no mention of any specific post, apart from the one that was accepted obviously. I was just seeing if a post from 'liz' would be accepted, as I had been told quite specifically in the past that I could not post threads without using my full name.

Re: Threads not getting posted - Jeremy Austin-Olsen (13th Nov 2009 - 15:56:04) Dear Mrs Hoskins My attention has been drawn to a posting you have made today (Friday November 13) in which you appear to suggest that I have been using the name Reg to make comments on this website. I quote: ‘Well, we know that you spent 30 years catching the 6.09 train to London, so surely in all that time you should now have gained an awareness of how ‘rumour mills’ actually work – seeing as your fake persona has been responsible for the main story line.’ This can only refer to me because the information about my life as a commuter formed part of my election manifesto earlier this year. I do not normally engage in tittle tattle on this site – especially when it concerns something as sensitive as the employment of a member of parish council staff – although I have used it to thank people for electing me and to flag up the annual classic car day at the Deers Hut.(thanks for that Alan) However, I feel it is necessary to make a posting at this time to refute your allegation that I have been hiding behind this Reg chap . It is an unfounded slur – including the clearly libellous accusation that I have been ‘devious’ – and I would like you to withdraw it forthwith and issue an apology. Regards Jeremy Austin-Olsen, vice chairman, Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council. ______________________________________________________________________

Re: Threads not getting posted - Editor (13th Nov 2009 - 17:41:48) Hi Jeremy Thanks for popping up, strangely the post on the 31st March , in your name (see Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council By-Election gave these user details 67.159.44.138 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1) The post that 'reg' made on the 7th November gave this information 67.159.44.138 - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729) They are very similar, but if they weren't both you, then I'm sure Dawn will apologise. In Dawn's defence comments about "30 years" were made by 'reg' on the 7th November, and guess she put 2 and 2 together and got 5 ! Alan

Re: Threads not getting posted - Dawn Hoskins (13th Nov 2009 - 20:20:21) Dear Mr Austin-Olsen Following the editors’ statement that posts from [Reg, terry, freddy, jim et al] were coming from a councillor, and based on reg’s statement that he had been here 30 years – which tallies exactly with your 30 years and with you being a councillor, it is true that I put two and two together. Using a fake persona would indeed be a devious thing to do, however, if it was not you and my addition skills made 5 instead of 4 then I wholeheartedly apologise to you for the slur. I am never afraid to admit when I have made a mistake and if I have done so I am sorry for the hurt that you have felt. Please consider my post retracted. Regards Dawn Hoskins

Re: Threads not getting posted - Liz (14th Nov 2009 - 12:10:05) Reading through all this nonsense I don't know why every post has to somehow go back to the subject of parish clerk and freedom of information posts. This post has nothing to do with that. It was purely about posts not getting published and it has turned into an a place to accuse people of being a guy called reg. Does it really matter if the guys name is not reg (which as far as i work out can not be proved false through ip addresses so he probably is called reg) If he has something to say and it is not rude, abusive, obscene or offensive then let him say it, he has just as much right as any of us.

Re: Threads not getting posted - Dawn Hoskins (14th Nov 2009 - 17:07:19) Hi Liz, it only turned into an ‘out the councillor’ thread because of the Editors discovery of the same/ almost identical IP addresses. I think (although I am happy to stand corrected), that the Editor is saying that using a false name specifically to snipe at someone - is not acceptable. So, that would be a reason not to publish (the title of this thread). It does matter who Reg is, as he has been privy to confidential information regarding the activities of Councillors – and is leaking information here and I suspect also to the Herald. Most of it is entirely inaccurate – especially the reporting in the Herald which did not bother itself with the truth whatsoever. If it transpires that a Councillor has behaved in this way, then that would reflect very badly on him indeed. So – people do care who this Reg is and with good reason. Your train of thought (that if it can’t be proven untrue – then it must be true) is illogical. It actually CAN be proven by IP address – that is how the police track paedophiles / HMRC track money laundering etc and it is a very effective form of investigation. We of course are not that desperate to discover the identity of this person, but just because we don’t – it does not follow that he must therefore be bona-fide. I am of the same mind as you Liz, let him say what he wants. Most of it seems to be aimed at me and seeing as I know the truth I can laugh at the childishness of it all and not be bothered by it. In fact I always find adults behaving like children humorous – especially when they really throw their toys out of the pram and start all that stamping of feet and going red in the face!! But he should let the Editor know who he is in just the same manner as the rest of us do.

Re: Threads not getting posted - Mike Grimes (14th Nov 2009 - 21:25:29) Would it be possible (or sensible) to offer the facility to provide your real name to the editor whilst witholding it from the actual post? A sort of modern day "Name and Address supplied"

Re: Threads not getting posted - Editor (15th Nov 2009 - 11:01:23) Hi Mike The problem is that it would not be possible to validate that the person is still who they say they are. Which is always an ongoing concern, whether using just a false name and/or fake email address. The alternative would be that a validation email is sent to each person making a post, it has to be replied to before any post will be accepted. This would stop people using fake / made-up or other peoples email identity to place posts on the site. It would also give people the opportunity to change their mind about a post, by not replying to the validation email. I'll look into the possibility of incorporating this. Alan

Re: Threads not getting posted - Darren Ellis (15th Nov 2009 - 11:36:13) Just returned from holiday and noticed this thread. I have had one post not published. It was a very similar thread to this one asking why posters were not supplying full names on their postings, mainly aimed at a reply from the Editor, it was a couple of months ago. I always thought it was a requirement that a full name was published.... none of this Liz, liz, Reg, Bill, "T" etc. etc. When a thread is sent at the top it says they will not be accepted without real names so can't understand all the initials etc? If you've something to say surely you should be honest and big enough to use your full (and by the looks of it, real!!) name. Darren Ellis...... my REAL and FULL name!

Re: Threads not getting posted - Eneida (15th Nov 2009 - 15:19:15) Alan, Rather than having to send validating e-mails, which sounds like a lot of work for you and might also put people off posting, can't you set up a registration programme, like many other forums use, where you have to fill in real name, username, e-mail address and a Password when you first join? I'm sure that would stop a lot of people who're just messing about. I know it wouldn't stop people having two 'identities' if they have access to more than one computer, but then if they're determined to cause trouble they will just reply to your e-mail anyway, won't they?

Re: Threads not getting posted - Editor (15th Nov 2009 - 15:45:16) Hi Eneida I had thought of the registration process, but in theory to be any use we would need proof of identity - far too much trouble and time consumming. When we get problems with people using false names I suspect they use false email addresses (rather than using their real ones) hence they would not be able to respond to the validation email (it would be automatic and hence not require any day to day work). Oddly sometimes people can't even spell their own names the same in different threads - suggesting they are not real.

Re: Threads not getting posted - Finchie (20th Nov 2009 - 18:15:18) An interesting debate about anonimity, false names, disappearing posts etc. I don't think this should site should operate any differently from any other internet forum - and in its currently form I think it effectively operates as other forums (althought the mechanics are slightly different in that there is no registration process - but even on those sites - there is no proof of identity - just an email address required, so you get rogue/anonymous posters anyway). i.e. The poster decides their name - much like their "handle" (refering to another post about the advent of CBRadio) I would prefer to hear a controversial/interesting view, stretching the boundries, posted under a pseudnym than someone being reticent to post as they would be uncomfortable putting their full name to it. Where it sucks is if there are personal attacks or offensive posts - and in which case I think we should take the Editors judgement as "moderator". Most decent forums have a moderator anyway. What would be good though, is that if Ed does not post something, he explains why in a private email to the poster, giving the poster the opportunity to re-form the wording ? I actually quite like the delay from hitting "submit" to a post appearing - as on one occassion it has helped me retract a ridiculous (but very hilarious) post which would have offended ! Cheers, Finchie

Re: Threads not getting posted - neil (21st Nov 2009 - 09:18:31) Finchie you should save these unpublished threads and write a book

Re: Threads not getting posted - Finchie (28th Nov 2009 - 06:05:34) Thanks Neil. I think the title could be "Incoherent Internet Rambilngs" or ... suggestions on a postcard (feel free to make them as insulting as you like !!). Cheers, Finchie

Re: Threads not getting posted - Tom (30th Nov 2009 - 12:37:56) I've just had a read through this little discussion here and I have to say that it genuinely makes me laugh. I haven't heard this much bitching and moaning since I last watched Eastenders! Honestly, get over yourselves! In the grand scheme of things, Liphook is an insignificant speck (apologies if i have mispelt). Why don't you all concern yourselves with things that are actually important? Tom

Re: Threads not getting posted - liz (30th Nov 2009 - 14:05:26) Tom .. People can get irritated by the small things in life .... as you obviously did yourself!!! Do you spend a lot of time reading the entirety of old threads on local websites I wonder?!

Re: Threads not getting posted - Tom (30th Nov 2009 - 16:21:01) Liz No, I don't actually. However, I have never visited this site before and seeing as I have lived in Liphook my whole life, bar the last few months due to university, I thought I should have a butcher's. It is actually like reading an Eastenders script...endless pages of innane comments and petty arguments. Grow up the lot of you! PS. "YOU 'ENT MY MUVVA"

Re: Threads not getting posted - Eneida (30th Nov 2009 - 19:16:11) Well Tom....as such an avid fan of Eastenders as you seem to be LOL....I do wonder why you feel the need to criticise the contents of this website?? I would have thought innane comments and petty arguments would be right up your street....

Re: Threads not getting posted - Tom (30th Nov 2009 - 20:37:02) Liz I am deeply offended that you would assume that just because of one reference to Eastenders that I am an "avid" fan. I haven't watched the show since the good old days of Ross Kemp and Martine McCutcheon. Let's not go throwing all the toys out of the pram over criticism of your beloved website. Perhaps you should audition for a role on the show Liz, from what I hear its full of unfounded arguments. Kisses from Tom!

Re: Threads not getting posted - helen m (30th Nov 2009 - 23:34:29) there were 2 comments about eastenders tom.... :)

Re: Threads not getting posted - liz (1st Dec 2009 - 08:42:42) Er.. Tom I didn't mention Eastenders. I couldn't comment as I don't watch it. But it is a very popular program and if, as you say, the thread reads like an Eastenders script perhaps we have some material for them! Business opportunity, Ed? Thanks for the kisses, anyway.

Re: Threads not getting posted - Tom (2nd Dec 2009 - 09:42:40) I do apologise Liz I thought it was you that had written the last comment. I therefore direct my previous comment at Eneida!

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