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The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Keith (9th Apr 2015 - 20:37:28) So - all the names are in, and as less people have put themselves forward than there are seats, the following people will make up the Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council (unless any of them withdraw tomorrow (Friday)) Michael Antony CROUCHER Barbara EASTON Scott GAVIN Jane Maria IVES Don JERRARD (Justice and Anti-Corruption Party) Thea JOURDAN (Independent) Jeanette KIRBY Jackie POOLE Edward George TROTTER (Justice and Anti-Corruption Party) Full details on EHDC website elections section

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Kaz (10th Apr 2015 - 01:57:56) How do people put them selfs forward ??

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Nat Parkes (10th Apr 2015 - 05:24:26) Good luck to them one and all. I notice that none of the serial moaners and besmirchers like Kat and Kevin Jackson have put their names forward, brave souls.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Rob (10th Apr 2015 - 08:22:03) Good on you Scott new blood that knows both sides of the council, it's great news!!!

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - RT (10th Apr 2015 - 10:42:15) A considerable change to the number of candidates for the Parish Council elections compared to the year 1981, then there were 25 people who put their names forward for the 12 seats. How times have changed! The ballot papers were as long as your arm and the results were declared at 12.30pm the following day; the voting papers having been taken away and held overnight at Petersfield Police Station under secure lock and key.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Dawn Hoskins (10th Apr 2015 - 12:53:45) The lack of numbers may well cause a problem as there should be 12 councillors. Good to see a couple of newbies though. I suppose there will be some 'co-options' to try to fill the vacancies - so if you were considering it before you should still make yourself known to the parish office. I think one of the reasons that people don't stand is the constant mudslinging on here by the serial nit-pickers, and the odd 'ringer' that make the impression that everyone is at each others throats all the time. They are not. There have been a few issues over not publishing data, which seems to be a historic 'head-in-the-sand' position. I hope that the newbies will set up a vote to publish any reports paid for by the taxpayers. This is standard behaviour by any public body and helps people know what has been paid for and also why decisions have been made. If - for example, The Willows annual survey reports had been published then all parties would have known exactly what was happening and why. Instead, there was just a hyped-up lot of misinformation thrown out by 'outraged' parents who did not seem to know the facts - when the business owners themselves had known of the deteriorating situation for ages. Silly really as it is the same tax-paying parents who have been paying for said reports to be produced and also all the improvements and repairs to the hut, paid at taxpayers expense for all these years. By not publishing - ill feeling and mistrust is created. People like to believe in conspiracy theories - they are more exciting that the hum-drum. Last time the vote was on the agenda to publish all reports, redacted where required, the vote was 2 for but 10 against. I do not know where this irrational fear comes from?! I hope the newbies can change this situation as soon as possible.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - GM (11th Apr 2015 - 21:09:00) Just out of curiosity, I looked up besmirching which indicates this damage (someone's reputation). "he had besmirched the good name of his family" synonyms: sully, tarnish, blacken, drag through the mud/mire, stain, taint, smear, befoul, soil, contaminate, pollute, disgrace, dishonour, bring discredit to, stigmatize, injure, damage, debase, spoil, ruin; Now Nat, the only time you ever seem to comment is to have a pop at people for presenting their opinion, then you disappear and don't respond to people challenging you. This thread is about the new people standing. So please, keep your jibes to yourself.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Peter Richardson (12th Apr 2015 - 21:26:20) Well said GM. I couldn't have said it any better. There are a few people who post on this site who seem think that if someone doesn;t agree with them or puts foward a different point of view they and their opinions should be dismissed in the most derogatory way with adjectives which are frankly insulting.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Nat Parkes (13th Apr 2015 - 06:28:30) I am talking about the Councillor Gerrard thread. Nothing on there except good old fashioned besmirchng from a bunch of serial besmirchers. GM as far as I can see you didn't post anything on that thread so I suggest you are still irked by the Bohunt comments. Grow up man!

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - bdavies (13th Apr 2015 - 08:02:12) Besmirch is a verb. Besmircher (if it exists) would be a noun. There has been a lot of nasty prodding at our Councillors by a few people on various threads and when it is pointed out to them they get all defensive. If you give, I guess you have to be man enough to take the response.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - GM (13th Apr 2015 - 08:31:06) No, not irked as you put i, although your ability to use a thesaurus is impressive But this is the second time you've done this in recent weeks, fail to back up your claims and then slip away. What right do you have to come on here insulting people for no good reason? I don't think I'm the one who needs to grow up poppet....

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Peter Richardson (13th Apr 2015 - 09:45:27) Nat if you are talking about the Councillor Jerrard Thread why don't you post on that one. bdavies I am not at all defensive. I only post well founded criticism on two of them - not all of them as you imply. I am never rude or abusive, I have never used such adjectives as "troll" or "poisonous" to name but two. It is the posters who blindly defend these councillors who are defensive. They are the ones that post unpleasant and divisive comments. There were some very good councillors on the last elected council, but two of them are not standing again. Let us now see what the new council can do.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Dawn Hoskins (13th Apr 2015 - 11:59:04) I would say that whether or not a person feels a personal attack is entirely in the eyes of the receiver. The same goes for when posts are aggressively defensive. Entirely in the eyes of the reader – rather than the poster. If one perceives the continued serial ‘taking apart’ of their posts for petty reasons as ‘derogatory’ – then it pretty much goes without saying that it was in fact derogatory in their eyes. One only has to feel verbally assaulted for that ‘actual’ assault to have taken place. If readers perceive posts as ‘defensive’ then that establishes the fact that the post is indeed defensive. It must always be in the eyes of the beholder that these things are decided. Makes me laugh when people who are told they are being rude, or defensive, or whatever, immediately repost with “I was not being…..”!! Too late – if common thought has already deemed it defensive – then it is so. It doesn’t matter how you would ‘like’ to be perceived – people make up their own minds on it. I have no qualms in defending myself if I feel verbally attacked. Don’t dress it up or apologise for it. I do not worry that those people (who I perceive as attacking me) might feel equal force coming back at them. My only problem is feeling that the ‘ringers’ are hiding behind their anonymity to stir up ill-feeling – and having a laugh at our expense Of course, I would prefer to speak in real life and most decent humans are prepared to do that. NOT sit behind a keyboard, then, having never met a councillor in person; interacted with them; come to council meetings to see them…(thus not able to form a ‘real’ opinion based on personal experience) choose to ‘besmirch’ as if they have personal experience of dealing with them!!

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Keith (13th Apr 2015 - 14:13:49) This forum rarely fails to amaze me - we start off from my post giving names of the new Parish Councillors and now we are into an argument resulting in the use of thesaurus and perception - it's like I've wandered into the recording of Vicar of Dibley do Countdown!! On a wider point, I think it is a real shame, and one which all Parish and District Councillors should turn their mind to, that only 25% of parishes in East Hampshire are actually having an election for their Parish Council - in all other parishes (including some of the larger ones like Liphook, Liss and Horndean), the spaces are filled 'by default' as the number of nominations is less than or equal to the number of seats. We need to look as a society at what it is that puts people off from standing, and how that can be resolved, or in a very real sense we will risk becoming a meritocracy rather than a democracy ---- or, if that cannot be resolved, have Parish Councils served their purpose, and we should resort to two tiers (or even one tier) of local Government?

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Val (13th Apr 2015 - 14:49:35) I have never met Scott Gavin and do not know anything about the facts and circumstances surrounding his dismissal as Manager of the Millennium Hall, but I do admire him for standing as a councillor for the Liphook and Bramshott Parish Council. He is now going to sit alongside some of the councillors who sacked him. He is standing up and being counted. I hope he will bring new blood to the council and be good for Liphook & Bramshott. Bravo Scott Gavin.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Jane Ives (13th Apr 2015 - 15:25:40) Keith, I agree it's a shame that more people didn't put themselves forward. We will need more people to come forward as we only have 9 councillors but 12 places. If anyone is considering putting themselves forward then please have a think about it as we will have to co-opt people on after the election date. I would just say that the image that is portrayed on here is very far removed from what actually happens :-) I'm happy to talk to anyone about what's involved ie how much time it takes up and what exactly is involved, or call in at the parish office and ask. My contact details are phone 722324 or email jives68@gmail.com.

Re: The NEW Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council - Kat (13th Apr 2015 - 19:22:16) Val, I agree, and well done indeed Scott Gavin. You are very brave and I couldn't do it having seen what goes on at Council meetings.

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