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why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - lou lou (29th Jan 2015 - 14:35:34) I have recently applied loads of times to get a job at old thorns and been in to hand my cv and kept asking if anything\'s available but yet no interview or no job ther. Why is this? I am really keen and I don\'t drive ans i know it be a perfect job role for me. But just wondering if anyone else hav the same problem at old thorns?

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - SC (29th Jan 2015 - 17:24:24) I hear they are quite hot on spelling and grammar when considering potential employees.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Caroline (29th Jan 2015 - 19:47:47) Sc that's just rude not every one can spell accurately some people are dyslexic ever thaught of that and Lou Lou what job is it you are going for maybe you haven't got the right qualifications or maybe there are no jobs have you tried other buisness around the village x

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - lou lou (29th Jan 2015 - 20:18:56) What is it to with spelling and grammar? Am well spoken English am sure that's the main thing right?

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Fenella (29th Jan 2015 - 21:05:29) I'm not sure pointing out spelling mistakes is constructive and community spirit. I am a great believer in correct spelling however I can not remember the last time I judged my server, receptionist, house keeper, events support staff etc on their spelling when I have stayed in hotels. I believe it's a friendly and customer focused person who makes the difference. Good luck in your job search, if old Thorns don't want you then show them it's their mistake and apply elsewhere and have agreed hospitality career.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Mrs K (29th Jan 2015 - 21:53:26) I too have applied for a couple of positions as advertised (accounts) but other than an email acknowledging receipt of my application I have heard no more; very disappointing as I would have loved to work there. I'm sure my spelling and grammar were correct so don't think this was the problem!! Money perhaps?

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - JJ (29th Jan 2015 - 22:43:25) Don't worry - my Son had the same experience with Forest Lodge Garden Centre, there could be no reason not to interview, he ticked all the boxes, references, the lot, only thing we could think of was they wanted a female but never said. If this is how they treat applicants, go elsewhere..there is something better destined for you I'd say.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - SC (30th Jan 2015 - 09:44:03) No offence was intended by my first post...my point is that with employers receiving dozens if not hundreds of applications for a single vacancy, it is not surprising that if an application contains spelling or grammar errors it is likely to be disregarded. I would recommend that anyone applying for a job asks a friend or relative to check the application to ensure 100% accuracy. I agree that for some posts it makes little difference if you are competent at writing, but in a competitive job market first impressions count.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - George (30th Jan 2015 - 10:25:08) It would seem, that you have to be foreign to get a job there!......and believe me, the money is awful,..extra long hours, for a pittance, of a wage.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Ryan (30th Jan 2015 - 10:37:33) I must say I agree with SC. I have hired several people in the last 6 months and I have had to go through 100+ CV's. When you look at a load of CV's, your number 1 objective is to compare them all and then filter them so you end up with a shortlist. One of the most noticeable things you can see when comparing CV's is quality, how does the CV look? What is the grammar like? If a CV has been typed out on a computer (as most are these days) did the creator bother to use spell check? Did they sense check it? I’m sure some people will think it’s a little harsh, but the job market is harsh right now. The fact is most applicants are up against many other people and the employer usually only has 1 job to give. Trust me; spend a lot of time on your CV. You might find it difficult, but take the time to look at good examples of CV’s online. The more time you spend on your CV, the more time you will save looking for jobs.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - JJ (30th Jan 2015 - 13:29:47) Yes, of course, it's common sense to spellcheck your CV. I am an employer and have never failed to be amazed at some applications for posts that I receive, despite apparent good standards of English, they often show no indication whatsoever to the applicant having the skills or experience for the job. However we pride ourselves on replying to every single applicant, this is common courtesy and it appears that some business's simply don't have any, nor do they care, which in my opinion is just arrogant.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Caroline (30th Jan 2015 - 16:45:54) I do understand the importance of spell check ect but what about people who are dyslexic or autistic to some exstent that wouldn't think of these checks ??

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Jay W (30th Jan 2015 - 17:40:24) My son had the same problem with Old Thorns - out of all the places he applied to they were the ONLY ones who did not even bother to acknowledge his application (I think I may have commented on Talkback at the time). He did try again after 18 months but this time he asked for his email to be directed to Stuart Long who I think is the person who deals with waiting staff. He got an interview but couldn't offer to do enough hours for them (due to college commitments). Suggest you try and find out who is dealing with the interview and address your application to that person. Good luck - other than that I think the Co-op are looking for staff if that is of use?

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - helen (30th Jan 2015 - 18:41:11) I do not think that is the reason that Old thorns will not employ people. I have recently met people who are/were employed there, none of whom could speak in english alone write a CV in English! It could be a form of age discrimination. After all, how many housekeepers, cleaners, Bar Staff do you know who are working where they are judged on their grammar and standard of spelling? Look to other reasons.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - S (30th Jan 2015 - 19:55:14) If I were an employer I would not hesitate to bin any applications I received with bad spelling and grammar. It doesn't matter whether you need to use these skills in the job you are applying for; it's about attention to detail, which is a desirable trait in about any job I can think of. Sending an application with poor spelling / grammar is sloppy and careless. I know I have sent out job applications containing mistakes before now, and only realised when it was too late. At that point I write-off the hope of an interview and understand that it's my own fault. You have to take responsibility for what you are producing, and the quality of the application is surely more important than the quantity of sub-standard applications you are producing (I don't mean offense to the OP, perhaps your applications were fine and the lack of interviews is unrelated to this). I do think it's a fair point to raise though, and must point out that if someone has autism or similar, as Caroline mentioned, most application forms now have a section where you can mention this and sometimes get an automatic interview so it shouldn't affect your chances. But I think most people do have the ability to spell check or ask a friend / family member to glance over the application for you.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - helen (30th Jan 2015 - 22:47:36) I still maintain that employers who employ people who do not understand English, speak Englsih, and cannot posibly have completed a CV in grammatical English, are employing those people for other reasons. It is a common ploy to put "recent school leavers only" in adverts, to avoid older people applying. Also, it is not easy to check references, previous employers or educational qualifications, when someone has recently arrived in this country, anything could be stated in the knowledge the employer will never phone a foreign country or be able to check whether the degree is authentic or not.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - E (31st Jan 2015 - 09:59:24) I wouldn't be too disheartened about Old Thorns it really is pot luck when sending in your c.v/application form. I personally wouldn't waste too much time and focus on gaining employment with Old Thorns they have an extremely high employment turnover. They unfortunately don't seem to value their staff as highly as they should, there are far more pleasant companies to work for in the local area! Best of luck!

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - pete (7th Feb 2015 - 11:54:27) Because they are only interested in foreign staff that they can pay low wages to and treat badly. You really DONT want to work there.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Jackie (7th Feb 2015 - 17:49:29) E - can you list some of the 'much better companies in the local area to work for' please? There are many people in the area looking for work.

Re: why is it so hard to get a job at old thorns? - Caroline Ray Symonds (7th Feb 2015 - 20:59:56) I don't understand how people can quickly judge me or my curriculum vitae. Just because I wrote on here with bad spelling and grammar of being upset doesn't mean I am disabled. I am an honest 17 year old English girl. And I am sorry for my bad spelling and grammar on here I dint normally write like that.

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