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RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Editor (25th Aug 2009 - 09:00:50) Back in October 2008 liphook.co.uk received an anonymous posting about Mr Liff. At that time we were advised not to post it but to send the concern to the local police, which we did. However, it has now come to light that the allegations were not unfounded, this is the original post, received after the Station Road Event - 23rd Sept ... ------------------------------ Well, once again Raymond Liff and Kevin O'leary are in business again. Rewind 10 months and the Crown in Chiddingfold and Mr Liff and Mr Leary running away with the money that they owed staff and suppliers and the baliffs closing the Crown down. How do these crooks get into business and how does Raymond Liff get away with ripping off more money from unsuspecting women who trust him. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN, HE IS A CROOK!! ------------------------------ Further information about Raymond Liff can be read on the following "Insolvency Service" web site www.insolvency.gov.uk/... Edited May 2010 - above link no longer works - this one produces far less information - www.insolvency.gov.uk/... But 'The Insolvency Service' have provided me with the original content - "(a) That Raymond Jack Liff, between 15 July 2005 and the bankruptcy order on 16 April 2007, acted as a director of a limited company whilst an undischarged bankrupt, contrary to Section 11 of the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986: · The bankrupt will not receive an automatic discharge from a previous bankruptcy order made against him on 09 May 1994 until 01 April 2009; · The bankrupt was appointed a director of a company on 15 July 2005 and states he was the “Managing Director”; · The company operated a public house with a turnover of £750,000 pa and up to 20 staff, from September 2005 onwards; · At the date of the current bankruptcy order (16 April 2007) the bankrupt was owed £260,000 by the company under his director’s loan account, of which none has been recovered to date; · The company entered Administration on 08 November 2007 with an estimated deficiency of £854,215; · The bankrupt had not sought the permission of the court to act as a director of the company. (b) That Raymond Jack Liff, on 13 December 2004, obtained credit of £40,000 in the form of a private loan from an individual without disclosing to the lender his status as an undischarged bankrupt, contrary to Section 360(1)(a) of the Insolvency Act 1986: · The bankrupt will not receive an automatic discharge from a previous bankruptcy order made against him on 09 May 1994 until 01 April 2009; · On 13 December 2004 the bankrupt borrowed £40,000 from an individual under a private loan agreement; · The bankrupt did not at any time disclose to the lender his status as an undischarged bankrupt; · The lender has confirmed to the Official Receiver that the loan would not have been granted had the bankrupt disclosed his undischarged status; · The loan was to be repaid on demand. After the lender requested repayment the bankrupt gave her a cheque for £20,000 dated 15 December 2005 but this was dishonoured on presentation, as was a further cheque for £40,000 dated 10 June 2006. On the dates the bankrupt signed these 2 cheques the bankrupt’s account had an authorised overdraft limit of £1,000 but was already overdrawn by £8,063 and £9,189 respectively; · Payments of £7,000 made by the bankrupt were set-off against the lender’s legal costs, leaving the £40,000 plus interest of £3,200 (a total of £43,200) still due. The lender is the petitioning creditor in this current bankruptcy; (c) That Raymond Jack Liff, on 28 July 2006, obtained credit of £200,000 in the form of a private loan from an individual without disclosing to the lender his status as an undischarged bankrupt, contrary to Section 360(1)(a) of the Insolvency Act 1986: · The bankrupt will not receive an automatic discharge from a previous bankruptcy order made against him on 09 May 1994 until 01 April 2009; · On 28 July 2006 the bankrupt borrowed £200,000 from an individual under a private loan agreement; · The bankrupt did not at any time disclose to the lender his status as an undischarged bankrupt; · The lender has confirmed to the Official Receiver that the loan would not have been granted had the bankrupt disclosed his undischarged status; · Interest on the loan was to be paid to the lender every quarter, but only one interest payment of £5,100 was ever made, leaving the £200,000 plus interest of £15,300 still due (a total of £215,300)." It is alleged that Mr Liff [text removed] owes thousands of pounds. It is alleged that he has been forging signatures on documents and trying to con people into lending him money on the premise that he is just about to receive a million pound inheritance - which has been 'held up' a little bit!!!! It is alleged that he has been wandering around with a fake will, which he asks unsuspecting persons to 'witness' in which he is leaving millions of pounds to other members of his family (shortly before asking said witness for money). Clearly the original anonymous posters comment is very valid, namely... DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN 19:30pm - image added from his facebook entry

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - graeme (25th Aug 2009 - 15:15:58) Which one is he they all look dodgy in that place.By the way does this mean one less car parked on the pavements.Its a shame he forgot to take the signs

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - barbara (25th Aug 2009 - 15:25:06) perhaps a warning / wanted poster in Chobham Surrey where he has apparently scuttled back to would be appropriate!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dawn Hoskins (25th Aug 2009 - 16:43:26) It is obvious from following that link that he has considerable experience in getting money out of people via 'private loans' and never ever paying them back. It appears that he never discloses the fact that he is an undischarged bankrupt. Can we get a mug shot up here? I think there was a photo when the Car Rental / House Cleaning business opened?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - graeme (26th Aug 2009 - 08:04:04) Thanks for the picture (just as well) I thought he was the really dodgy looking one with glasses and always wearing shorts!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - barbara (26th Aug 2009 - 12:08:59) I bet there is no one in Chiddingfold on his friends facebook list. The customers who turned up to eat their Christmas Day lunch, after having paid him in full, were turned away and lost all their money, as the pub had been closed by the receivers Christmas Eve. Luckliy the owners of the Swan stepped in and I believe the owners of the Swan now have bought the Crown.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Editor (26th Aug 2009 - 14:27:58) THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Steve Askew (6th May 2010 - 20:10:27) Well there's a name to get your blood boiling. I first met Ray Liff well over 30 years ago, I haven't seen or heard from him in over 15 years and I can tell you that 15 years is not a long enough time to forget the lying, deceitful, cheating, two faced piece of garbage that he is. He will look you in the eye and at the same time sell his own kids and family into slavery or to the devil and tell you he's a good man. He is so believable that even the best psycic in the world would be taken in. He could sell sand to arabs and ice to eskimos, he'll convince you that an ashtray on a motorbike is a sound investment and that a handbrake on a canoe is a must. I have first hand experience of how plausable he is and have been cheated like many others. He could talk his way out of and into anything, if he was legit he could have really been someone but unfortunately for Ray Liff he has a black heart and doesn't know how to think of anyone other than himself. Be very wary of this character, he WILL hurt you one way or another.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - barbara (9th May 2010 - 14:22:05) I have heard a rumour that he is to appear shortly at Surrey Crown Court but do not know the exact date and that he is now calling himself: Lord Essex. [editor - correction - it is "Lord Chelmswood J" See www.faketitles.com for more information] How he has escaped justice for so long amazes me! It is sad that so many people were taken in by him.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - C (17th May 2010 - 15:35:56) I was informed it was today he is appearing in Surrey Court, Monday 17th May. Would be interested in what the outcome is.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - David Jarrow (19th May 2010 - 15:01:18) I can confirm that Steve did know Raymond 30 years ago, but has not seen him since. He certainly has not seen him since his children were born. Whilst the Bankrupcy profile is mostly correct, he did apply to be discharged and believed he had been discharged as he was granted a mortgage on a property in Windlesham without problem. What amazes me is that Not one person in Liphook has had a problem with this man, but he his suffering these vitriolic attacks. OK there were problems in Chiddingfold which was due to the Administrators asking for deposits to be taken on all bookings after 15 November 2007, however the administrators decided, that no notice needed go up outside property from Christmas Eve, nobody else. Subsequently, all deposits were repaid to customers by the administrator without exception. All staff were paid in full on or before Christmas Eve, additionally they were given over 7 days free accomodation if they required it. [potentially libelous text removed]

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Editor (19th May 2010 - 15:44:01) Hi David It is not true to say that no one has had trouble from Mr Liff in Liphook. I understand that he was upto his tricks of trying to get money from woman under false pretenses.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dawn (19th May 2010 - 19:26:12) David Jarrow - Who are you and where are you getting this information from? I would be very interested to know!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - David Jarrow (19th May 2010 - 23:18:42) Dear Editor, I really appreciate you printing my letter because one of my fellow residents in Chiddingfold has passed on information to you regarding Raymond before. [potentially libelous text removed] I and many others in the Chiddingfold area do not believe that Raymond is a Saint, far from it, but it appears to us that any number of people are abusing him for there own good. In our opinion, "The Crown Inn" was a far better place in 2005, 2006 & 2007 than it presently is, and the locals now mainly frequent "The Winterton Arms" or elsewhere instead. In Liphook, Raymond had good dealings with many of the business fraternity, and at the time nobody I am reliably informed, had a bad word to say about him. [potentially libelous text removed] I confirm that I am a resident of Chiddingfold [potentially libelous text removed] This witch hunt against Raymond is wrong and has been orchestrated to cause him as much damage as possible, when he is in no position to defend himself.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - with the editor (20th May 2010 - 09:23:09) David You are either connected by blood or one of his'gang' - if not you are a prime target for his next victim!! There were a number of people in the Liphook area who were either taken in by him and lost money or at least fooled until the truth about his bankruptcy and what he was and did, became publicly known. To blame a victim of this predator as being the one to reveal details here and to muddy the waters in issues not connected to Ray Liff is un-defendable - he may have been foolish and easily lead, but that is nothing compared to your 'friend'!! Does anyone know what was the outcome of the court case heard this week?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - C (20th May 2010 - 15:34:15) I have heard information through a third party, that says the matter was transferred from Magistrates Court to Crown Court and he will be making his plea early June. But I believe you can look up scheduled court cases on line prior to the hearing. If this is of any help. As to David Jarrows comments, all I can say is he must have been extremely well paid for his comments. But unfortunately many of us have been Ray's victims in one way or another and would therefore strongly dispute that only one person in Liphook had a problem with Ray Liff.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Alan (20th May 2010 - 16:00:49) Some similarities with this very recent case. www.dailymail.co.uk/news...

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - L (21st May 2010 - 11:28:33) The date of the Crown Court Hearing is Friday 11th June 2010. At Surrey Crown Court, Guildford. Believe that 7 different charges are listed for pre-hearing and plea for Mr Liff. Public can attend Crown Court. I am sure Mr Liff/David Jarrows would welcome our support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Steve Askew (9th Jun 2010 - 20:52:36) Ref to David Jarrow's comment that I did know Ray Liff 30 years ago but haven't seen him since. I have seen him since, and as David Jarrow has made a statement to the contrary I can tell you that it was 1977/8 when I first met Ray Liff in Byfleet in Surrey when he, together with a business partner, formed a business called PBA Copiers. I knew him well after then when he ran a night club called Clusoes in Cheam, I also knew him running a pub in Egham, I believe it was the Railway. I last saw him somewhere around 1995 when he was living in Woking. David, I knew Ray Liff for at least 17/18 years and can tell you and anyone else for that matter that once I realised what he was I decided that I no longer wished to be associated with him. Clearly since then he has carried on going from bad to worse, were that not the case, my comments and everyone elses wouldn't be being made. NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dawn Hoskins (11th Jun 2010 - 11:49:05) Actually, today was the date for the plea in case management. That is not when the hearing takes place - just when the defendant pleads guilty or not guilty to the charges made against him by the CPS Court listings confirmed he was in court 4 and pleaded not-guilty to all seven counts. So the case will now go to trial.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Edward (14th Jun 2010 - 23:02:58) Well Well !! www.facebook.com/people/Raymond-J-Chelmswood

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - sharon marshall (27th Aug 2010 - 14:09:05) If anyone is interested, the trial starts on 26th October in the Crown Court at Guildford and a jury will decide. If there is anyone left who actually thinks that this person is being maligned, | suggest they come along and hear the full evidence.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - sharonmarshall (28th Oct 2010 - 12:58:54) The trial has been delayed. The date is now in 2011 starts 28th March. Hope everyone will be there!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - linda (4th Nov 2010 - 18:21:52) does anyone know why it has been delayed?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - sharonmarshall (11th Nov 2010 - 14:38:02) Delayed because the accused has apparently been in hospital. Let us hope that he is too poorly to find any more victims between now and then.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dawn Hoskins (11th Nov 2010 - 21:13:31) I understand that there are civil trials in Hampshire with are waiting for the criminal trial in Surrey to conclude. So there should be an opportunity to catch a trial for those who miss the one in Guildford!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Tim Fernback (29th Mar 2011 - 13:30:50) Well, FYI, liff pleaded guilty to all 9 charges of theft, obtaining money by deception, totalling nearly £1,000,000. 400k from one lady (my mum), £225k from another couple etc etc. Judge refused bail, so he's banged up where he belongs waiting sentencing on 21st april at guildford crown court - see u there!! So all those people who thought he was innocent are now eating humble pie and checking their bank balances, I suspect.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Q (29th Mar 2011 - 15:00:42) I heard the same that he pleaded guilty. He ripped me off and [I'm] always very sad to hear of others he took for hundreds or thousands. He pretends to be ill and I have heard him say he has months to live and that was 8 years ago. Prison is where he should go and remain. I really feel for your mum Tim. Q

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - carol washington-jones (30th Mar 2011 - 08:33:21) I am Tim's mum. He pleaded to everything except the theft of my mum's ring. He did do this and it is no better than grave robbing! Much to everyone's amusement, he turned up with a stick and tried to look 'wobbly'. We were expecting him to call an ambulance lol. Whilst I knew him, he 'killed off'' at least 4 people and had many illnessess, including 'lung cancer'. But there is nothing funny about this criminal and menace to all decent people. It seems he spent a lifetime living off his scams and no one reported him. I have heard he was still doing it whilst on police bail. Now he will have a police record and will not be able to say it is 'a mistake' or someone else's fault. I hope he rots in there.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Sue (30th Mar 2011 - 08:58:46) About time!! As the editor said all those that thought him innocent eat humble pie... those that thought the Cllr, (who had the misfortune to have him within his business) was connected with the activities of Mr Liff, so therefore not suitable to hold the position of cllr. now stop seeking for his resignation/removal - and jibed him constantly about him not being fit to hold a coucil position do the same!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - suzane titcomb (30th Mar 2011 - 12:07:02) is this his real name or was it Raymond Kline, because Tim Washington this name I remember.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - shirley (30th Mar 2011 - 19:33:41) I can confirm that this is exactly what the man does. He makes friends with people and then tells them that he just needs some money for petrol or food or his rental and it goes on and on from there. Do not have anything to do with this man.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Linda (1st Apr 2011 - 17:31:43) I am only glad he got NOTHING from me what a liar. He derserves to stay there for a very long time. He told me he had a heart problem I have his will lucky me !!!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dawn Hoskins (1st Apr 2011 - 19:46:15) Asking people to witness or 'hold' his will - what an old chestnut. That is just a way that con-men lure people into thinking that they are 'good for the money' should you chose to lend them some. I expect lots of people have copies of forged wills made by this man. All no doubt stating that he is a millionaire about to pop his clogs!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Sue (2nd Apr 2011 - 15:57:46) Having a copy of this 'will' is worthless - how do you know that the signatures are for real? Possibly those signing may already have known his history and just put any signature on -or forged by Liffy? The docuement he banded about 'from a bank' saying he was awaiting the so many millions in inheritance was also FAKE. Every thing about him was FAKE.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - carol (2nd Apr 2011 - 22:57:59) Why did no one ever report this nasty little con man to the police? I did. Someone could have stopped him years ago. Many people knew about the court case, but his attorney was able to say he is "of previous good character".

RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Charlie (4th Apr 2011 - 16:44:28) I really find this an abhorrent site. Whilst I pity anyone who has been taken advantage of, wishing someone ill is really unnecessary and a terribly crass way of behaving. Ray Liff does have throat cancer from all his years of smoking. Someone in my family knew him quite well a long time ago but I am quite a bit younger. However, I worked for him at the Crown. While I was there I didn't hear any of this bad feeling and it seems to have come out after the fact. We used to see the female business partner he had borrowed money from always coming into the pub. What I think is terrible and who I think you should be questioning are all of those people who could have done something to stop this. I seem to have heard no end of people confirming he was a rotten apple before this...Well, where have those people been all of these years. Ray needed serious reform, not to be left to his own devices. Plus, you should not turn on someone because they have a different opinion to you. This is a free site as far as I'm aware and people are allowed to express themselves without all of this bitterness and anger. P.S.You all seem to be enjoying this a bit too much....It's a bit like listening to the countdown of someone on death row...

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - carol (4th Apr 2011 - 22:18:36) Charlie, Raymond Liff or Lord Chelmswood as he now calls himself, DOES NOT HAVE THROAT CANCER. I know this becuase his medical records were entered into evidence in Court. If he told you this; it is a lie! He told me he had lung cancer - that was also a lie. If you want to know the truth, come to court. I am the person you think is his business partner. This is also not true. I lent him the money for 2 months whilst he called in his £10,000000 from offshore lol! He is a crook and a con man and he has pleaded guilty. He had no choice, there were 50 witnesses lined up. You are obviously young and have never met a person like this. Neither had I. I hope such a person never crosses your path and that you can keep your idealistic and fair minded views.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - lily (4th Apr 2011 - 23:47:18) Why dont the people who have been conned accept some responsibility? The victims seem to be as money orientated as the con man himself. I am not defending his actions in any way, he has pleaded guilty, therefore no one can dispute he has been a scoundrel. What everyone needs to look at is if you were a victim,HE SAW YOU COMING!!! Silly, silly you.For intelligent people (supposedly) you appear to only have displayed yourselves to be gullible and that is your own misfortune. There have been con artists as long as time has been, and if a person is not guarded because they themselves are motivated by greed then one should really reproach their own foolish judgement and ignorance. Only my personal OPINION of course.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - michael (5th Apr 2011 - 21:57:53) Amazing!!!! Now we have someone blaming the victims. I know a nice sensible lady who had something to do with him after the pub. He turned her over. Not for much cos she didnt have much. She wasnt greedy, just trying to help a man who said he loved her. She is wiser now. Hope she doesnt see the comments made by this silly girl.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - lily (8th Apr 2011 - 01:30:43) Michael, I understand your frustration with someone like me, who does not know the ins and out of the situation. I also feel that you are probably hurt for the lady in question, and believe me, so am I. What i don't see however, is people giving this man 200,000 pounds from the goodness of their hearts. They obviously thought they would have a return with interest or why would they do it? The fact that he was going around with this will stating he was a beneficiary to a large sum of money undoubtedly secured their confidence, which i agree, is wrong. I just then begin to wonder if people would have been swindled if all that was in his "Will" was grannys favorite teacup. That tells me that this con artist preyed on people who THOUGHT they could benefit from him! I see people thinking exactly what he wanted them to...eg, poor stupid man, easy money from this one he's loaded! its like reverse psychology and they got stung. Human nature, we ALL want more. and Im sorry if i've offended anyone I truly have not meant to, I am purely trying to say that with awareness this kind of scam can stop. That old cliche, If something seems too good to be true, it probably is. Therefore, we should all be on guard and make sure we do not allow ourselves to BECOME victims.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Sue (8th Apr 2011 - 09:31:06) Actually, a lot of what Lilly says has a ring of truth - hard to take never the less. There is another side to this - not just individules but businesses have been targets. To fund the 'lavish' lifestyle that he sometimes sets, money is obtained in various ways, fake contracts, fake expenses etc. Even giving items from a business to others for free etc. I dont think many will say poor man, some will see a way of making money and a few will see a meal ticket to a life style with him they could never afford. Having spoken to this man, very soon understood that he was full of B Shite. Wouldnt give him a penny - which he tried to get from us for varioius things like Staff Wages etc. He was successful in getting this from another. However, some will be genuine helpers and think they are doing another a service, totally out of compassion and helping another in need - these are the true victims and need our support and understanding, not to be blamed. There is so much more than you see on this thread.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - carol (8th Apr 2011 - 11:40:27) As Sue says, there is so much more to this than can ever be written here. Lily, I am not greedy and I will tell you how he did it. He did not show me wills, but did say he had £10,000000 offshore and £6 million invested in a scheme with a good return. Although I did not know this was a lie, I was not interested in his money as I had my own, having just sold my business. Also my own house and car. We started a relationship and he could not have been kinder and nicer. I did not love him, but appreciated having someone who cared such a lot. He said many times he was in love with me and wanted to marry me and thanks goodness, I didn't actually marry him. Over a period of time, he put papers in front of me to show I would not be able to live off my interest, and would have to dip into my capital, but each time I said I was quite happy to stand on my own two feet. I am very much a family person, and when he found out I helped my step daughter with her deposit on a house, he showed me facts and figures again to show that if I invested I would be able to pay off her mortgage within 3-4 years and thus avoid death duties. By this time, I had been to his home (which turned out not to be his) and met his father. All my family had Christmas at this house with his family and I had come to trust him completely. This was very clever, because he knew I would do anything for her and thus, I handed over the money. Much later he said I was the only one he felt guilty about as I was the only one who was not greedy! My mouth fell open as either you are honest, or you are not! So Lily, please understand that I was NOT greedy - stupid yes - but not greedy. I just wanted to help my stepdaughter who works very hard as a classroom assistant, but does not earn very much. I have been told by police and professionals not to beat myself up because conning people was his job; he has done it all his life and is very good at it. I am the one who went to the police and I have been thanked by them and the court, for having the courage to come forward. I will not get anything back, but the point is that someone has stopped him and I am proud of that.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - anne (8th Apr 2011 - 14:36:27) Oh boy. I recognise him and his MO. Sorry for all the victims

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - lily (9th Apr 2011 - 19:16:01) Carol, First of all allow me to apologise for MY ignorant comments. Secondly, you are obviously not silly because thank god something (higher power, intuition etc etc)stopped you from marrying him. I understand afairs of the heart is a complex thing and I do believe that we as humans have all been blind at one time or another where love is concerened. It is undoubtedly true that he was a master of his craft, a true proffessional. I dont think i put across well what I actually meant. My point was, for the people who thought they could make a few quid from him, seemed to be quite happy to be on board in the confidence they could PROFIT! Clearly this is not the case with you, as you have said you were solvent anyway and living comfortably and didnt need or want any extra. Some people though, not because they are needing, just want more, and if a man like this comes along and offers it to them, they will be swindled easily because their judgement is clouded by their drive to want more, without the thought that they may be being conned because they themselves want to get the deal done before the con artist has time to back out. Thats how it works. So essentially what Im asking is who is conning who?Looks to me like both parties would happily con eachother, like I said, if money lending was based on him being a likable person and a trinket in a will, they wouldnt have been so quick to part with their money. Carol, i dont mean you or a little old granny, I mean the people who would run as fast with his money as he would with theirs. I hope Ive made my view clearer now without upsetting anyone.NOT my intention.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - lily (9th Apr 2011 - 19:39:00) Sue, I think you have covered everything I meant to say, only you put it much better that I do! I can smell a rat and am glad you did too! And as you say, the genuine victims, like Carol, we should have compassion for. As for the other ones going in eyes wide shut, I just dont feel sympathy at all! Lily

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - carol (9th Apr 2011 - 21:26:21) Thank you, Sue and Lily for your understanding.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Tim Fernback (13th Apr 2011 - 15:26:44) To anyone who wants to see this scumbag sent down where he belongs, the actual sentencing will be on Wed 20th April. You will need to phone Guildford Crown Court - 01483 468500 and ask for the list office for the case of Liff and ask what time on the 20th it is. As it stands, it's 10.15am but is likely to change. So see you there. Anything less than 5 yrs will be an injustice to me, all the other victims in this case, anyone he's conned over the last 30yrs and most importantly to my mum, who has had her life turned upside down and now needs closure. If it was up to me, they can lock him up and throw away the key.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Pat (13th Apr 2011 - 20:00:48) My friend who would not want to be identified was also one of his victims. At the time he had a friend called George . He claimed that he was Jewish and had a wife and 2 children who lived on the Goldsworth Park Estate Woking. He was supremely attentive and flattering and took her to a flat in Windlesham and a sheltered housing flat in Guildford which he claimed to own. He talked big and had plenty of business interests on the go. He of course was waiting for a divi to arrive and asked her for a £20 sub. Then after a while he said he was just short of of a couple of thousand pounds to tie up a business deal which promised thousands. She offered him £750 whilst he spent his time driving around the country in his posh BMW trying to raise the extra. She should have seen through his cheap ways. He took her out to dinner to an expensive Italian restaurant in Byfleet and ordered a miserable spagetti bolognais for himself. He is a pathalogical liar con man and although she eventually realised what game he was playing finished the relationship. One of the clues was that although he said that he was not on a dating site any more since he had met her his computer showed that he had written 50 letters (the Max) to other women. Threatening calls were also being recorded on his answerphone while she was there He would leap up and try to unplug the phone or if a car drove into the estate at Windlesham he would nervously jump up to see who it was. She had the shock of her life one Christmas when she visited the Crown for a drink and he appeared to be the manager. She did spread the word through friends that he was not to be trusted but he still managed to fleece the Crown and also other local women. He is a pariah and she hopes to be there at court to see his sentencing.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Barbara (14th Apr 2011 - 16:14:37) I do feel sorry for the victims who appear to be women he targeted, obviously seeing us as a soft touch, perhaps we ladies should realise that there are these horrible men around just waiting for someone soft to come along.I know this sounds hard on the victims but any investments should always be done yourself, through either a bank, or registered financial adviser, not to hand over money to someone who is not an FSA` registered adviser. Even when investment advisers are registered things can still go wrong! People who do have fitteen million in the bank are usually living abroad as expats to avoid tax and those who are waiting for a will to pay up can usually borrow money for themselves on the strength of the legitimate will. Food for thought.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Tim Fernback (19th Apr 2011 - 15:53:15) Just to clarify, the disgusting man (that is being kind - as he is no man) will be sentanced TOMORROW - Wednesday 20th April at 10.15am at Guildford Crown Court. The more that turn up the better but i know that whoever turns up will only be a fraction of the total victims and people this serious criminal has effected.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Carol (20th Apr 2011 - 14:46:06) Liff got four and a half years imprisonment today.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Pat (20th Apr 2011 - 19:41:37) Great News! No one to con. No one to cheat. No one to impress with his fantasies. No one to listen to his boasting. No one to borrow from til his divi came in. No one to lie to and says how much he loved them. No one to give a certificate to who has become a member of his love club! No one to buy little gifts for that said you were special. No one to take out to dinner while he ate spagetti and she wanted lobster. No one to sit in his BMW on posh leather seats with him pretending to be a successful business man. No one to boost his pathetic ego while he walked around in built up clogs trying to pretend to be taller! Bring it on! well done Carol Tim and family. You succeeded while others had to let it ride. A glass of champagne all round at the Crown!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Tim Fernback (21st Apr 2011 - 15:35:11) Just for everyone's info, liff, for his 5 counts of fraud he got 3YRS, + 3YRS + 18MONTHS, + 1YR + 6 MOMTHS = a total of 9 yrs. But unfortunately, this is to run concurrently so he was only given 4.5yrs - on the up side he will probably have to serve 3/4's of this ie 3yrs. I was giving him daggers the whole time the prosecution were outlining details of his terrible crimes. When he did look my way, he quickly looked away. Just so everyone knows he looked like a complete tramp and had a dirty looking beard. There were some funny things worth telling you about. 1) his supposed "£200,000,000 inheritance" was mentioned in court and all the reporters had a bit of a giggle. 2) his brief said he had already started to make amends by enrolling in a course helping other inmates with their literacy LOL as he can't spell himself. 3) Everyone knows how flash he was with his "fake" cars, "fake" houses & "fake" jewellery.... well he actually gave my mum one of his gucci watches (when he'd already stolen the £650,000 from her) and produced a valuation document for £26,000 - infact when she took it to be valued it was only worth £26! Classic and that sums him up - A fake, a liar, a thief, the lowest of the low. He stole £200 from his dad when he was very ill, just before he died. The old LUNG cancer myth came up a few times! Another funny thing was when he was 1st arrested, he claimed the only thing he'd done wrong was to marry another woman ha ha. He took her for £50,000, but she quickly threw him out... then he went crawling back to my mum still claiming it was all a mistake and he didn't know why he married her. Anyway he's behind bars now for the forseable future - where someone as bad as he is belongs!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Niall (29th Apr 2011 - 21:25:18) My delight at this Sentence is tempered only by its brevity. Should he on release choose to visit the Antipodes, he can be assured of an extremely warm, positive and decisive welcome.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - carol (30th Apr 2011 - 21:27:06) Thank you. It's a funny old life!

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - joe (15th Feb 2012 - 02:03:34) im very glad to hear of this mans sentencing, as he was once marries to my mum whilst working in the crown, and began telling her a profound amount of lies about money and his previous life. this man is the reason my mother is in a large amount of debt at the moment after taking her money and supposedly investing it into the crown in chiddingfold. he lived with us for 3 years in this time as i was only young i found myself caught in his web of lies as did my mother. he is a horrible man and im very glad to find out that he will be getting what he truly deserves

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - lizzie (31st Jul 2012 - 17:31:52) Just seen this. He conned my friend years ago when he had some club that he said he owned, but he didn't. He was married but did not tell my friend who thought it was a love affair. He wanted money for a short term loan. She never saw the money back, She did see some rough looking men trying to get money back from him but he had a story for that. So pleased he is locked up. He is the lowest scum.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - P (4th Aug 2012 - 20:37:39) Does anyone know if this Raymond Liff was behind an escort agency in Guildford by the name of Sasha Brooks?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - david j (1st Jan 2013 - 16:20:30) Does anyone know if it\'s true he is out of prison?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - simon davies (10th Jul 2013 - 11:42:00) Is he out???? So someone went to the police at last! Good.! Many more crimes not answered to.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - barry green (25th Jul 2013 - 15:09:54) he lives in Eastbourne apartment - not sure how true it is ????

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - James (9th Aug 2013 - 22:21:26) True! The vile creature is out and living no doubt at the tax payers expense in the Eastbourne area. Probably using the name \"Lord Chelmswood\" bought for £29.99 on the internet. Watch out everyone....He cons for a living

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dave (24th Aug 2013 - 21:05:55) About the escort agency someone asked about. Yes he set it up in 2006 it was called Sasha Brook's Agency and he interviewed girls for it. Another one of his scummy dealings

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - alicia (19th Sep 2013 - 12:30:21) OMG just seen this. Don't know where to start about this horrible con man. Married about 5 times and all wives left destitute and in debt. My best friend was a victim. So plausible. Due to the "goodness of his heart" he was owed huge sums and favours! NOT! The other way round. Said he wanted to marry her and was going to get her some big ring. Did not happen but got money from her waiting for one of his big "investments". Very charming to her friends and family, but a couple smelled a rat - him! She didn't listen. Sorry for all the victims here and glad he went inside and has criminal record. He is going under a new name now so shame future victims can't google him. What does he do with all the money, does he gamble?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Tim (25th Sep 2014 - 14:18:29) I heard the scumbag was out of prison, no doubt up to his old tricks. You have all seen the photo of him, so people, watch out and beware of him or anyone like him. REMEMBER, IF AN INVESTMENT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, THEN IT NORMALLY ALWAYS IS. Not just an investment, in life generally.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Mit (19th Oct 2015 - 19:47:50) I knew Liff 45 years ago and he was conning people then - conning them into believing he was Rod Stewart! There was a passing resemblance at the time and Liff did his hair all spiky, drove a flashy American car and wore the same kind of satin suit that Rod wore when he was becoming famous. Liff would frequent pubs in Shepperton and Chertsey - he would walk in and people would ask if he was Rod. "I'm not going to deny it" he would reply. Judging by the recent images of Liff, he couldn't get away with that now.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Lynette (6th Nov 2016 - 22:27:37) He is back at it. Just wish i head read all this. He should be locked up for life. Well no. That's to easy He is a parisite. Please all ladies don't be taken in . He is a smozzer

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Cassandra (7th Nov 2016 - 12:26:05) If anyone needs his new location etc get in touch. zpfrivvk@clrmail.com

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - linda b (8th Nov 2016 - 18:15:23) Hello Can anyone help me re a George Bentham Walker who was / is a friend or associate of Liff. I noted that someone posted about a George and him also being a conman. I would be so grateful for any help re Walker as we have a court case coming up soon and George Bentham Walker is starring as a witness against us. We know he is a conman but need all the help we can get. I am looking to speak with Carol Washington Jones in particular as she may be able to help. The fraud perpetrated against Carol is a lot less than the one that we are facing. Many thanks Linda

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Cariad (9th Nov 2016 - 17:11:22) Hi Linda, I will see if I can find you contact details for George as I worked for ray and Kevin in 2007, luckily I came away unscathed. Would love to help in any way I can! Feel free to email me. Cariad.plunkett@gmail.com

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Cassandra (10th Nov 2016 - 09:52:13) For Linda MR GEORGE BENTHAM WALKER Suite 2 Manor Court, Colville Gardens, Lightwater, Surrey, GU18 5QQ companycheck.co.uk/director/907000303/MR-GEORGE-BENTHAM-WALKER Manor Court is a block of flats - so read Flat 2, not Suite 2 It was sold for £525,000 in June 2016 - so he may no longer live there.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - David Rix (13th Apr 2018 - 06:32:43) GBW was recently 'asked to leave' his home in Haslemere. I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has had the number of false promises about 'payment Wednesday next week', ' After Easter' or 'when the money comes in' that I have endured over the past three years. George, if you read this I would appreciate payment, as promised in Court. David.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Dawn Hoskins (18th Apr 2018 - 21:23:51) Wowsers - this leopard is just never going to change his spots. He's just one of those bad pennies that will forever be turning up and scamming people.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - sara (6th Jul 2018 - 15:45:35) I am concerned about information regarding GBW - what money promises he has made? why is he being called conman? can you elaborate?

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Tessa (20th Aug 2018 - 00:15:52) GEORGE WALKER was my mortgage broker. He always managed to fix me a deal so was very helpful, particularly when I was going through difficult financial days, but after I had a windfall in 2012, he asked me to lend him £1,000 (might have been more, I forget) at 3% for a few months. Needless to say a few months turned into a lot longer, and getting repaid was like getting blood out of a stone but finally he did repay but without interest. I don't know where he is and can't help except that I was pretty shocked when he turned round to ask for money, and then took so long to repay. I think his firm Berkeley Warburg in Godalming had been bending the rules and was closed down, and he was short of the readies as a result. That's all I can offer.

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - Judy (20th Aug 2018 - 08:39:39) The possibility is that he was repaying you with someone elses' money. I met both of them when they were working together and Raymond Liff was trying to convince people into giving him money for him to invest it for them

Re: RAYMOND JACK LIFF - P (12th May 2021 - 01:27:45) I think gbw may have passed away. Not heard from him for several years and I was aware he had surgery for cancer. His old mobile number which he had for years is no longer live. Mr Liff is alive and kicking I believe

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