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Radford Park car park caravans - Hayley (6th Jan 2015 - 11:43:04) Hi all, Does anyone know on the grapevice what the caravans are all about in Radford car park or do we have ourselves some visitors? Thanks in advance

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Eb (6th Jan 2015 - 14:09:32) Yes we do have some visitors, they arrived Sunday afternoon. The police came but said they can't do anything as it's council land!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - The Joy (6th Jan 2015 - 17:46:00) Handy if you want tarmac

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Hayley (6th Jan 2015 - 19:43:39) Great! Thats ridiculous. I hope the council have got a move on order going the mess they are making down there is bad already and it's only been two days.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lord liphook (6th Jan 2015 - 21:47:37) Tarmac, and great tax advisor's. (Possibly late nite shopping)

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Nellie (7th Jan 2015 - 09:30:47) Now black car with flat tyre has arrived, oh joy!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - anon (7th Jan 2015 - 19:52:28) Co-op broken into and our neighbours bin stolen....coincdence?

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Anon (8th Jan 2015 - 08:25:20) Would this sort of thread be tolerated for any other group of minorities that appeared in the village. It's one thing to comment on their settling on public land but some of these other comments could well be viewed as a form of racism.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - R (8th Jan 2015 - 09:27:38) Quite agree anon. Comments 3,5 and 7 are just pushing lazy stereotypes of Romanys as being feckless and dishonest. Speaking as a Romany who has lived in Liphook all of their life I find this offensive. If the same comments were being made at the expense of black, asian or pakistani appearance there would be no end of trouble

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - John (8th Jan 2015 - 22:18:26) I am the person residing on Redford car park. I did not rob the shop and have better things to do than going around stealing bins becouse the binman does not collect my rubbish.the people who are watching me obviously do not have jobs so maybe they robed the shop.I think people in lip hook very small minded and would apretiate if people would just leave us alone. Ps some one said there was lots of rubbish and mess if anybody would like to have a look please feel free we will not bite you .kind regards your local gypsy

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - The Joy (8th Jan 2015 - 23:18:49) Maybe some of you could put them up in your front gardens then?

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - John (9th Jan 2015 - 08:37:31) Some people are acting so prejudice against us. We are only a small family with two kids living in a caravan Please come down for A chat and then see what kind of people we are thanks

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (9th Jan 2015 - 09:39:32) John, Not all residents of Liphook are bigots. Just most of them! If I were you I would not bother appealing to their better nature. They have no understanding of anyone else's way of life but their own. They're happy to stereotype, and I've been watching this thread. I wondered how long it would take for the finger to be pointed at you regarding the co op burglary. You have shown yourself to be approachable and reasonable, and I would not be afraid of you. From the comments I'd be more afraid to approach the people posting the nasty "witty" comments. Good luck and best wishes to you and your family.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lips (9th Jan 2015 - 09:40:48) Dear anon & R, anybody can chose to view any comment as racism or offensive if they chose to do so (gipsies are an ethnic, not race group). Some groups seem to do that more than others. The gipsies do not get worse treatment than other ethnic minorities. Dear John, I can understand wanting to be left alone by a mob that approached you, but please let me remind you that the van appeared inside the village, not the other way around. If you don’t like the locals and their attention, you are free to move on. A bit rich to force entry and ask to be left alone… Binmen collect waste from registered tax payers of fixed address. Fare well and let us all and have a good 2015

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - I (9th Jan 2015 - 10:08:57) Sorry Lips but what a load of nonsense. However you try to justify it, if a group of people of any ethnicity are picked out for some of the sort of comments made by some in this thread, it is racism, plain and simple. I am not a traveller myself and I do object when any group of people ignore planning rules and other peoples property rights and I also think is justifiable for a site like this to discuss when travellers have placed themselves on council or private land. But some of the other comments on this thread are inappropriate and as unpleasant as the label is, the posters could be seen as racists.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - liz (9th Jan 2015 - 10:45:59) So, according to Lily, most of the residents of Liphook are bigots who are happy to stereotype. Does she not see the irony in her comments?!!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - DH (9th Jan 2015 - 11:07:51) Lips, you can not post something like that and not expect a backlash!! How very rude you are! Liphook residents don't mind the traveling fair turning up 4 times a year, or however many gypsies and trailers live on Longmoor Road. All of which gives Liphook a lot of ££££ in revenue. I'm guessing you have no dealings what so ever with anyone from this kind of group?? How would you ever know, they don't walk around with badges on!! You should do your history and research to find out who in actual fact was here first.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (9th Jan 2015 - 11:47:07) Liz, Take note, I said "most" I come to that conclusion from some comments made on this thread, and other threads. I have not judged anyone on where they live, or what they do. I merely respond to people making accusations and assumptions where there are no facts, on the basis of someone's ethnic origin.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lips (9th Jan 2015 - 12:10:02) ‘I’, Sorry I could not make much sense of your posting, please consider re-compose (grammar, punctuation…)? As already mention, you CAN see a posting offensive IF you so WISH. It’s seems to be ‘ok’ to be racist to whites, it’s acceptable to discriminate against some age groups which don’t seem as ‘vulnerable’, or make rude comments about the upper middle-class… Over-sensitivity to freedom of expression is what we’ve just seen in Paris a few days ago. Life is offensive, like it or not, best one can do is learn to live with it. Inferiority complex is the root of over-sensitivity. To my mind, over-sensitive individuals should resolve their own inferiority complex before labelling others as racists or offenders! Children are taught to complain about being offended instead of developing self-confidence knowing that the offender is the one in the wrong… Liz, I agree, ironic how they don’t see the irony. DH, So you think I should take life instructions from you regarding my educational background? As for the apparent revenue Liphook is gaining from the gypsies: I have lived long enough here to see how most of their visits were accompanied with unfortunate events (theft and fights). Gradually through the years, Liphook had changed its character to accommodate for such events. We’ve become more accustomed to live with security issues. But was this apparent revenue worth the new rougher Liphook? I suppose I haven’t lived here long enough to see any of the alleged benefits from those ‘visits’… I’m not labelling any individuals other than those who break the law or are ASBOs. Is it legal or considerate for anybody to set up camp anywhere they can get away with?

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - John (9th Jan 2015 - 12:51:36) Dear lips why should we move on just because A few people don't like us ? I do understand I came to the park with my van and I also been lots of other places to that is what travellers do but people must understand they are good and bad in everybody not just gypsies & travellers. And by the way I did not force my way in to the car park. There is no gates to stop me from getting in so why should people be upset I did not force on their property it is the local authorities job to have more transit sites for travellers and Gypsy people I am not doing any more replies to this thread and everybody is entitled to their own opinion no Hard feelings and happy New Year to everyone

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lips (9th Jan 2015 - 13:31:12) John, Thanks for clarifying, I'm well aware there are good and bad in any large group of people. I had a very good gypsy friend (and another no-so-good), so I do know a bit about them - and no - we have NOT fallen out! :) I do however fear that I am amongst the braver few who dare to voice their politically incorrect opinions on this forum and in general. Those of us who dare to raise issues against PC are often attacked one way or another. The law is against our untold opinions (I believe I am legally allowed to write this) and so is part of society. But this does not necessarily mean that we are as small a minority as some would suggest. I wish, once again, best to all and a good 2015.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - I (9th Jan 2015 - 14:20:36) Lips, you really do seem an unpleasant individual. Sorry just my non PC opinion about your posts.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - liz (9th Jan 2015 - 14:37:15) Lily My point exactly. You have judged 'most' of Liphook from comments on this thread and "on other threads". Not necessarily a representative sample!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lips (9th Jan 2015 - 15:09:04) Attention of 'I', You still don't get it, do you? :) Thank you for illustrating my point, and well done for your attempt of being clever and non PC. Fare well!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - I (9th Jan 2015 - 15:40:02) Actually Lips I do get it. What I don't get is that in this day and age there are still small minded twerps who think it is acceptable to label a group of people as thieves, etc, as has happened on this thread, just because they are from a minority group.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - t (9th Jan 2015 - 18:21:57) if any of you have meet the family like i have they are a nice couple keep there site round the van clean and tidy and the children are well manered and behaved good luck to you all

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Karen (9th Jan 2015 - 18:23:38) Shame on Liphook everyone has the right to live. what harm are they doing to you honestly? Liphook moaners go and moan about something meaningful then about a family.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Kaz (9th Jan 2015 - 19:08:03) I live in malt house meadows and I've not seen or heard any trouble leave them be every one needs somewhere to live there not doing any harm and to be honest I didn't even know John was there till this thread it's people like us that give them a bad name by stereotyping and for information it was 3 young youths that robbed the coop

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lips (9th Jan 2015 - 20:03:45) No ‘I’, you still don’t get it. Besides: Grouping me as ‘small minded’ is unjustified labelling and prejudice against people from my kind. You don’t know me as an individual. I find this offensive, you can’t say that people like me are all stupid and that you are superior to us. This day and age people like you could be prosecuted! As DH suggested at 11:07:51, you should expect an angry mob and the law to knock on your door for labelling me as one of the small minded minority. And following the anti-labelling logic up the thread, I will have you know that some small minded people are actually very smart, as you would say: you can’t generalise!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - I (9th Jan 2015 - 20:20:56) Exactly Lips, I don't know you like you don't and others of your kind don't know these people referred to in this post. Not very nice is it?

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lips (9th Jan 2015 - 20:25:07) On a more general note (not referring to the Radford-gate): Yes, we all have the right to live. How come most of us must work hard to play by the rules (permissions, taxes...), whilst others don't? Rights are all very well, but we should all share the duties too.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - DH (9th Jan 2015 - 21:10:05) Lips, are you trying to wind people up on purpose? I never made any such kind of comment about an angry mob or the law, I clearly said, that you can't make your original post and not expect a backlash from it. Which to be honest is what this post has turned into!!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lilly (10th Jan 2015 - 04:12:06) Liz, I notice how you pick on my views. Nothing is said from you about the ridicule directed towards theset and indeed previously other individuals You ought to cry out and protest about how some fellow men are treated. I have noticed how you ignore every comment bar mine.' You are a classic example of exactly what i mean. As for those who call themselves anon etc. Will the Anon please stand up,

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (10th Jan 2015 - 04:39:26) Liz, Why do you say nothing about "Tarmac" "theft" etc. You are Quick to defend the people of liphook, and quick to ridicule my perception of "most" of them. Why are you not upset with the poster Laying blame about the co op burglary? I notice you've nothing to say about that. Also the ridicule of the Tarmac joke, I don't see a reply from you being upset about that either! You have bitten like a viper because I dared to expose the people like you. For once I am glad that "most" people can't tolerate this anymore. It's refreshing to see people of liphook not minding someone else breathing and living here for a little while.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - K (10th Jan 2015 - 15:04:24) John shouldn't have to explain him self why he is living in Redford park in a caravan.. If lips and I and who ever got a problem with this why don't you all go and complain to the councle to put a traveler sight for any gypsys that travel to live on for a while. This page sounds very predgidous. What about the people the who has no home because of an idiot drunk driver and left them homeless for Xmas and the tramp that lives under a bridge up by the Liphook golf course?? Why do people feel the need not to stick there in wanted noses in others buisnes

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - may (10th Jan 2015 - 16:21:14) I should think the people moaning and groaning on here must have sad sorry lives if all they can do to amuse themselves is pick on a young family for no other reason than what??? Could it be jealousy, I believe it is.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - J (10th Jan 2015 - 22:42:46) As in all aspects of life, the bad few spoil it for the majority. People only hear stories about people parking up with caravans and wrecking the place and assume that all people with a caravan are thugs who destroy everything. As these people are travellers, they'll probably do just that soon and travel off to somewhere else. Give a bloke a break for goodness sake!!!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - M (10th Jan 2015 - 22:50:16) I bet you all suddenly start moaning when 15 more caravans rock up at Radford Park and the place is left in a tip :) As long as 'John' pays his taxes to support the local area/services, sends his children to school and keeps the area tidy then I'm sure he won't be a problem for the duration of his stay.....

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Karen (11th Jan 2015 - 23:26:19) What has tax got to do with family's trying to live? Everyone pays taxs in a different ways e.g paying petrol

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Kaz (11th Jan 2015 - 23:34:09) I actually like john and his family as my next door naighboughs I hope they stay!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - John (12th Jan 2015 - 08:53:04) M how about people that live in council houses well capable of working just claiming benefits I run a successful business and pay all of my taxes thank you very much whose business is it if I pay taxes or not, not yours and by the way I as individual traveller don't travel in large crowds so no you don't have to worry about 15 or more caravan turning up to Liphook and the reason why I didn't reply to the tarmac comment because I thought it was funny lol

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - liz (12th Jan 2015 - 09:43:57) Lily According to you I have "bitten like a viper" as you have exposed "people like me". - Strong words against someone who merely wished to object to you describing 'most' of Liphook as bigots. Perhaps sticking up for Liphook residents makes me a viper?! Please do not attribute other comments to me.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (12th Jan 2015 - 10:08:25) Liz, Actually it is a representative sample. Every thread on this site re travellers have people making snidey comments. I do not know john, I don't know anything about him. To be frank, I probably wouldn't know of his existence were it not for the moaner who drew him and his little family to our attention. I am qualified to speak about the endurance travellers must have against the prejudice they suffer. I am from a well known traveller family Liz. I do not travel, I don't live in a caravan, I don't sell pegs or lucky heather. I do however do tarot cards and palmistry :-) there's probably a lot I could tell you lol. I am qualified to generalise about people on liphook because I have lived here all my life. My ancestors and what I am is well known. I was not brought up in a tent or a barn or caravan. What I was brought up with was people hating us. My family have money, not millions, but enough. My family pay tax. Always have. For me and my siblings and cousins to attend a school where the pupils didn't lithe or accept is (not All, I had lots of friends) but there would never be a day go by that some derogatory comment was made. I go to work and hear the same cliches. So Liz, I'd actually like to meet you. A glass of wine? A coffee, it doesn't have to be tea leaves lol! I'd like to show you pics and tell you stories about people I descend from.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - liz (12th Jan 2015 - 10:41:14) Lily You admit yourself that your views are a generalisation and that is my point. You have also formed your own views about me while knowing nothing of me or my background! After being accused, totally unjustifiably, of making venomous comments perhaps you will understand if I refuse your kind offer of coffee for now.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Liz (12th Jan 2015 - 11:07:49) Liz, I expected no other than for you to refuse my offer with a little bit if ridicule thrown in. Again, you have shown yourself to be exactly what I complain about. Yes Liz, I admit I generalise, because in general I have a lot of experience from experiences like I've just endured. I wasn't trying to be "kind" Rather, I was hoping that perhaps bridges could be built. I am a reasonable person, I thought if you left your keyboard at home you might be to. I am not offended, maybe disappointed. I stand by my saying you are like a viper (at least I've only used a similie) By not wishing to meet me, I construe that as your wish to not know about/ personally or otherwise any of us. I have extended the olive branch and you have snapped it.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - liz (12th Jan 2015 - 11:32:53) Lily - at least I assume its you. In my attempts to stick up for the average person in Liphook I have neen labled a 'viper' - even though I have said nothing against you except to point out you are generalising and acting in the way you accuse others of acting. I find your post extremely unpleasant, judgemental and unreasonable so I shall retire hurt and leave you to it!

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - may (12th Jan 2015 - 11:37:03) Where is hayley who started all this, she obviously told blatant lies as to the rubbish, now she is nowhere to be seen, exposed as a liar.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - may (12th Jan 2015 - 14:17:12) its a shame the moaners arent more concerned with the weavers down thread, now that is something to moan about.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (12th Jan 2015 - 15:07:50) Liz, It is lily. Why would you doubt who I am? If you require my name it is Lillian Carroll. Carroll being my wedded name, my birth name is Ray. I call myself lily as friends call me lily, lil, din (if you know what that means😳) I have offered to meet you in person. I don't feel the need to hide and disguise my identity. I picked up on your lack of venom to the posters who truly deserved it. You chose to single out my comment because of excuses of generalisation. I have explained myself. You are an articulate and intelligent lady. You must understand clearly what I was saying. If not, I'll shorten it for you. Me=traveller(not gypsy because that word is = to Pakistani referred to as paki) I addressed a man with advice saying not to worry, because "most" of liphook are like that. I explained why I come to that conclusion. I have lived through it. I only ask you to answer why you are not offended regarding people accused in a round about sly way of theft? That comment particularly was disgraceful, and I would like to know why you found my generalisation comment more offensive than that?

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - rita (12th Jan 2015 - 16:05:26) I have not been to Radford park to see the caravan, but if the area is kept clean and tidy I don't see what the fuss is about. and I did read johns post to say its only his caravan that is going to be there. people can be very nasty and look down on different people. I know this because I had it all through school and most of my working life. john and his family don't seem to be interfering with anyone. if anything he is becoming a victim and an easy target for some people to have a go at. perhaps all the people who have made nasty comments and accusations on this thread would be man or women enough to go and tell them to his face rather than using this thread to be nasty and also stooping so low by not using your real names. remember there is good and bad in everybody

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Dave Lambert (12th Jan 2015 - 16:20:37) I suggest that enough has been said now leave the family to get on with their lives. If you haven't the balls to use your real name then I say keep your opinions to yourself. We can all make nasty remarks about anything but it is a different kettle of fish if everyone knows who you are. Happy New Year

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - liz (12th Jan 2015 - 17:10:00) Lily - the post I replied to was from 'Liz' which I assumed was a mistake/typo, hence my comment.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (12th Jan 2015 - 17:21:23) Liz, My intention was not to "hurt" you, or cause you any distress. I recognise a good match in a debate,however if I have in any way upset you, please accept my genuine apology.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - M (12th Jan 2015 - 17:27:57) Perhaps the local council should apply for a traveller park in the village. What about the field at the end of station road. They would be warmly received here which is a great thing :)

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - S (12th Jan 2015 - 17:37:44) This is getting completely ridiculous now! Lily, Liz questioned your identity because you posted under the name of \'Liz\'. I think the point is that there are stereotypes within our society that make people suspicious. These stereotypes are not entirely unfounded as there are numerous examples of travellers being prosecuted for tax evasion, and their lifestyle of travelling and working cash-in-hand makes people suspicious of this. Perhaps the bigger concern that people have is crime, antisocial behaviour and rubbish associated with travellers moving in. I don\'t think it\'s totally unfair to be concerned about this as there are many example of communities suffering these problems. There are two sides to every story, and let\'s not forget that travellers have a very rich history where their way of life fit into a niche employment in our society that is rapidly disappearing. It is really difficult for them to continue their way of life, and hate crime and prejudice against travellers is very very common - even when they try to settle down into a sedentary lifestyle they suffer persecution. The whole thing is a vicious circle and is only made worse by the media and programs like the \'big fat gypsy wedding\' which sells all travellers as yobs.... Let\'s try and have a bit of empathy on both sides here, as we remember that not all travellers are \'trouble\' - and clearly John and his family intend no trouble. Equally, we have to remember that some communities do suffer disruption from travellers who are inconsiderate to locals, and try not to throw insults around at people who are understandably concerned (\'viper\' comments not exactly needed!). Maybe now everyone has hashed out their concerns and opinions we can understand that everybody has a valid point, and perhaps we can show John and his family that we are actually quite a nice and unprejudiced community, just as he can show us that not all travellers mean problems.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (12th Jan 2015 - 18:08:56) Ah I see! Well spotted! I has no idea I pit your name in the wrong box. Glad that's all cleared up then! I don't usually look at my name on comments because I know what I've said! I shall now look, errors like that could cause a lot of trouble! My son would say "owned" Had/put 😳

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Lily (12th Jan 2015 - 19:34:29) S, I simply want to know why Liz is more offended regarding my generalisation than she is about someone convicting a man of theft. I am aware of my error re posting as Liz, it is quite obvious that I've put Liz name in the name box. Liz already pointed it out, and I accept that I responded to it under a misunderstood mistake of my own doing. As for using the word viper, it was as a metaphor for someone who strikes quickly. In my opinion the strike should have been directed at the vulgar person who insinuated the man had robbed the shop. I'm not sorry about my feelings on that because it's not on. Liz decided to talk about me rather that address me, in the hope others would jump on the band wagon. Before you say how ironic I am for doing the same thing, I have had my name used by you, with your defence for Liz In the context.

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - A (12th Jan 2015 - 21:17:17) -settles down with a box of popcorn to watch the show-

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Dianne (14th Jan 2015 - 18:28:19) When all is said and done, John is breaking the Law by trespassing on council land without permission or has he permission from the council?

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - t (15th Jan 2015 - 13:52:22) you will all be pleased to here the cravans have now gone

Re: Radford Park car park caravans - Richard Robertson (15th Jan 2015 - 14:33:58) T Not all will be pleased to know that the caravans have gone. Some people on this thread have been supportive of their rights and still are. You will also notice that I used my full name. What a shame some people feel they have to hide behind anonymity. Challenge extended to reveal who you are.

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