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looking to expand shooting permissions - supermotolew (24th Dec 2014  11:25:02) Morning all ! free pest control on land/farms I'm looking for extra shooting permissions around liss Bordon Liphook and Petersfield . I am friendly and conscientious of land and boundaries cpsa and Basc Insured mice rats pigeons squirrels and other pests . please drop me an email supermotolew@gmail.com

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - S (24th Dec 2014  14:23:48) "pests" Otherwise known, particularly in the countryside, as "wild animals"

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - A. Ryan (24th Dec 2014  22:47:37) Hopefully, no. Our wild animals are that, OURS. Maybe you have the desire to see blood being shed, but there are those of us that have lived long enough to know we have no right, and no reason to kill these animals. Do not give vermin a bad name , I live with rats, foxes and pigeons in a rural area and I am perfectly happy with them. There is no other reason to shoot on a farm unless you have have propensity for this behaviour.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - rita (26th Dec 2014  10:34:31) you are not that friendly if you want to shoot small animals and giving the excuse that you are doing people a favour by calling it pest control. what happens if you miss your 'target' and its someones pet who cops it.!!!!!

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - Susie (26th Dec 2014  13:48:50) Like many animals, numbers need managing so that you can enjoy the countryside. Obviously no one wants every fox, rabbit, rat etc shot but they all need managing to protect the countryside and keep everything in balance. You would all soon be complaining if foxes starting rummaging in your bins because the natural food supply wasn't available to them due to high numbers, like in the cities. The cute fluffy bunnies dig burrows under fields causing injury to horses, cows, sheep etc... But you don't feel sorry for them? Rats and mice breed and spread disease.... Remember the story about the plague? Well it wasn't actually make believe... So as much as everyone enjoys seeing animals in their natural habitat, culling is an essential part of keeping a healthy balance. Now I've opened the pro shooting flood gates, I'm prepared for the backlash!

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - Fenella (26th Dec 2014  17:19:12) Susie - I agree with you regarding balance. I have grown up in the countryside and often have been involved in this. I sincerely hope you/knobody receives any backlash and all views on this subject are respected and respectful. Balance is a challenging concept but one that requires respectful debate. I understand one size doesn't fit all on this but I encourage healthy debate and acceptance of views, traditions and beliefs of all. I hope the Liphook community also can adopt a similar attitude.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - tony (26th Dec 2014  18:54:05) Wildlife needs managing because humans upset the natural balance of nature by arbitrarily destroying predators/ competitors and their habitats, be it for farming or urban developement. So now we need to slaughter some of them because they have no natural predators. I understand that, all responsible countryside custodians have a well planned policy for this. I just didn't get the impression that this guy was part of that well thought out process, more like, let me onto your land so me and my mates can have some fun shooting little animals for a laugh. Hope I'm wrong!

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - Fenella (27th Dec 2014  11:49:26) The Ball is in the original Posts court to prove otherwise and to provide any interested land owners the right documentation/attitude and behaviour. I also hope he can.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - D (27th Dec 2014  17:50:49) Someone is shooting Squirrels in the Limes Close area of Bramshott. My cat over the last couple of monthe has brought on 2 squirrels one very dead and one just dead and bleeding badly from a shot in the back. The first one was also shot in the back. Whoever you are if you cant kill them out right DONT SHOOT. You have no right to make any animal suffer.There are not may squirrels in the area anyway.I would also like to say please dont shoot my cat or any of the other cats in the area by mistake.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - supermotolew (29th Dec 2014  11:08:06) look everyone I am very sorry for your outrageous experiences with local yobs with air guns they truly give us a bad name and it is criminal. As stated in my original post I am BASC registered . let me enlighten you . Basc is the British association of shooting and wild life Conservation and as such I follow there guidelines. These guidelines keep Me, You ,and the Wildlife Legal and most importantly SAFE! I am not some random Yob I spend thousands of pounds and hundreds of hours ensuring that I can shoot safely and with confidence. shots are not taken if there is not a sufficient cover or back stop. I am well aware of the laws and if a single pellet or shogun shot or 22 rifle lands out side of my permissions I would be committing armed trespass. as such I am very vigilant as stated of land and boundaries and my targets. As for the morality of shooting I would also love land for targets but unfortunately this is not normally of any interest to a farmer it is of no benefit to him. Vermin control is a means that I can shoot in a manner which is beneficial to the farmer sometimes if im lucky it can put some fresh food on my table or small coin in my pocket from the butcher but not at the moment. As it stands 100% of my work is rabbits suffering from Myxomatosis a horrific disease we introduced. or rat/mice/pigeons in grain stores damaging the owners well being and normally your food! . Thank you and please think before posting I would like to keep this thread constructive and informative and not a breeding ground for any malicious statements.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - liz (30th Dec 2014  09:20:12) 'Shooting and wildlife conservation' - Oh the irony!! Yes I know sometimes this is required if there is a population boom because, sadly, as someone has mentioned we have upset the status quo. However 'looking to expand shooting permissions' sounds more like sport to me than genuine 'pest' control! (And to others judging by the reactions on this thread.)

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - supermotolew (30th Dec 2014  10:45:40) Liz like I said I cannot shoot if there is not a demand I only find permissions when there is a need. Im expanding my permissions because there is a requirement and my existing permissions will not last forever . once the \"balance\" is returned in that field or store my permission is done and I move on \" listing as pest or vermin control is a means to find shooting that can be beneficial for both parties the other party is normally the one receiving damage from our \"Damaged balance as posted \" responsible people simply do not just go out to shoot random wildlife. The thread is full of negative posts I believe people are jumping in on a subject with strong feelings and simply are not aware of what the shooting community does or how it works at all. The add as listed is very common knowledge for farmers and they will be well aware of what\'s expected and required. I\'ve stuck around to explain my self and try to remove some of this awful Stigma associated with shooting and hopefully for people to think before posting damaging comments about our community. 99% of shooters have like myself proper fire arms and firearms licences and treat them all with respect including air rifles.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - liz (30th Dec 2014  12:17:58) As far as I am aware there is not one 'shooting community'. There are different types of shooting and different approaches.

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - supermotolew (30th Dec 2014  12:40:11) Yes liz there are many disciplines . Each with rules and governing body's and guidelines each to keep people safe of which I mentioned I am a member of 2 associations . There are lots of laws in place to enforce this "within proper fire arms " and in fact gun crime for registered guns is VERY low. People out "playing with guns " are NOT part of our community they are criminals . it is a awful shame we get tarred with the same brush .

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - Anonymous (30th Dec 2014  13:43:03) Liz, are you saying, you have just spend your (I'm sure) well earned time, scowering the internet, to dissprove this man? That'd be an awful waste of your time, wouldn't it? Especially as it's pretty common knowledge that gun enthusiasts gather together, to talk about what they enjoy. That is a simple fact. Just like people who like certain cars, go to meet ups. I dont think there needs to be so much unesessary bickering about something that should be done. The mans right. There needs to be control of population. To the kind lady/man who mentioned the human race for messing up the natural eco system, I think your observational skills are none more than heroic. I mean.. it took me 21 years to realise humans had laid the concrete beneath my feet... Not the mice and wild life. But in making that observation, what does that actually help? "Well it's our fault, so let's have a human cull"... Your alright. We are a few thousand years into the 'human problem' now, so we should find a way, other than slaughtering our own kind, for the good of wildlife, such as pest and vermin control, which this man, has very kindly asked to help with, what a nice man *applauds* so, does anybody else have a relevant point to make about why this man shouldn't be able to cull these animals, apart from, they're nice to look at, and they make the woods prettiful, or are we going to discuss this scientifically, with some solid facts, and numbers, like adults?

Re: looking to expand shooting permissions - liz (30th Dec 2014  15:56:33) No, I didn't spend ages scouring the internet - I was speaking from experience and I was not just talking about criminal verses legal gun use. As for taking 21 years to realise that concrete was man made - what can I say!! I also think you have totally misunderstood my comments on population control to bizarre effect. I was talking about controlling the population of so called 'vermin' when absolutely necessary. I thought that was obvious.

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