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speeding - dave (29th Jul 2014 - 06:48:25) When are the police going to do something about the traffic speeding down haslemere road? From both directions but especially exiting the roundabout from the square, some of the vehicles are doing 50-60 miles an hour by the time they get to allianz building in a 20 MPH AREA! It s just unacceptable and soon there will be an accident either to a pedestrian or another motorist.I know that its not the only area in the village with the problem but it is steadily getting worse down this road, I am a resident and even 6.00 in the morning and up to midnight and gone the drivers don't seem to care that they are in a built up area, police take note.

Re: speeding - Andy (29th Jul 2014 - 07:08:19) I agree Dave. I live further down the Haslemere road and drive from the town between 25-30mph, usually with a queue behind me wanting to go faster....

Re: speeding - Kate (29th Jul 2014 - 11:22:56) I've recently been on a speeding awareness course (not through the village but that's no excuse I know). I was shocked to learn that speed restrictions are reactive and only put in place when an accident has occurred. So basically, until someone is seriously hurt, they won't do anything about it. They also advised that if people are tail gating as they feel you are going too slow, then you should pull over and allow them to pass to avoid any confrontation. Not ideal but seemingly the way it works.

Re: speeding - Dawn Hoskins (29th Jul 2014 - 12:29:49) The police are training speed watch volunteers to operate the guns. The first of these sessions recorded hundreds of speeders which was reported at last night's Parish Council meeting. It is no point claiming that we pay our taxes and the police should do it - there aren't enough of them at the moment as the recruitment freeze is now 3 years long and still ongoing. Speeding is a problem and Speedwatch can help. If you wish to help please contact the Parish Office for more info

Re: speeding - dave (29th Jul 2014 - 17:20:36) With respect dawn, i pay the police through my council tax to uphold the law in our village, i'm not really interested in recruitment freezes, or volunteers with clipboards who have no powers of enforcement whatsoever, all it takes is a police car in a side road intermittently, that will serve as a deterrent. If not why not speed humps?

Re: speeding - Kat (29th Jul 2014 - 19:27:55) Dave and Andy, I agree. Fact...we pay our taxes to the police and in my view they should do it. It is a police decision or perhaps the Police commissioners decision as to what the priorities are and what they spend the money on. Speeding should be a higher priority in villages like ours that have such problems. I don't believe that getting a few locals, with the greatest of respect to them, to point a speed gun occasionally will make any difference. Let's have some proper speed calming measures like other villages. Where was this item shown on the Council Meeting agenda...it wasn't. And there's not even a Council representative shown on their website list. So if it's discussed by our local council or reported by them, we dont know its going to happen, or who is dealing with it, although the council know but don't tell us. Perhaps it's so secret they don't know themselves.

Re: speeding - Cllr B Easton (29th Jul 2014 - 20:22:29) With respect Kat, it was under reports from outside bodies, as the Parish Council are merely lending advice and support for the scheme, and it is not a Parish Council led scheme. It is not the solution to speeding traffic by any means but traffic calming in the form of narrowing at pinch points and speec humps are also unpopular. Forgive those volunteers for trying to do something Kat ! Ps FYI it is a recording speed camera system not a gun! The scheme was also given financial backing by the district councillor Mrs Angela Glass who is keen to see an improvement locally. Would you have attended our meeting then had it been a seperate item on the agenda? we look forward to you attending our meetings.

Re: speeding - CJ (29th Jul 2014 - 21:16:48) I totally agree with you Dave - I\'m also on the Haslemere Road and it sounds like a race track sometimes. I can\'t believe the speed some of these thoughtless drivers race up and down this road. I believe road humps would be the answer personally - I think this would be a good deterrent.

Re: speeding - Kat (29th Jul 2014 - 21:20:18) With respect Councillor Easton I cant see it anywhere under those reports. Perhaps you should list out the reports then you might get more people attending your meetings, which in my view, are uninformative and with minutes that really tell you nothing. Why turn up when your life is busy and you don't even know what's being discussed. Oh dear oh dear, proper measures are unpopular. Either the problem needs to be sorted or not. I haven't heard anybody say that but perhaps its a council secret. Is a "recording speed camera" going to make a difference? Not in my opinion. I have the greatest of respects for the volunteers and that is what I said, and that means all volunteers.

Re: speeding - Kat (30th Jul 2014 - 10:15:02) Oh, I forgot to ask you Councillor Easton, who made the Speedwatch report at the Council meeting?

Re: speeding - A. Ryan (30th Jul 2014 - 11:42:59) No to speed bumps but YES to a speed camera. At least make some money out of the irresponsible drivers, instead of ruining car chassis on vehicles who's owners drive within the speed limit, and this rate it will pay for itself quite quickly if so many drive too fast.

Re: speeding - tony (30th Jul 2014 - 12:25:59) I agree, no more concrete suspension wreckers in the road, or I'll finally give up on my family saloon and buy an All Terrain 4x4 planet eater like everyone else, so I won't even notice them and can laugh at all the poor people suffering bad backs, ha ha! The down side of everyone buying these monsters is that It'll take us twice as long to stop when someone does step out in front and do twice as much damage. But that's what I'll do if you stick Grayshott style humps everywhere. Much better instead to put a decent cycle lane along Haslemere Road, then I'll ditch the car altogether and cycle. There are much better ways to slow traffic down, a few zebra crossings, wider pavements, width restrictions, cycle path, all of these things would help, at the moment the road is so wide in places and clear, that it encourages you to speed up, even I feel stupid doing 30, that's the point, it doesn't feel like a pedestrian friendly, centre of village road, it should do. Road humps would just make it hostile, make everyone grumpy, except for me in my new Porsche Cayenne of course!

Re: speeding - Dawn Hoskins (30th Jul 2014 - 13:51:16) How hilarious, having said that it is no good saying…I pay my taxes…. To get a barrage of exactly that! LOL Well you will be waiting for now ‘til kingdoms come if you think government agencies are going to suddenly employ enough police to look after rural communities like ours – and that includes crime as well as enforcement of traffic laws. We can put it on our wish list (along with a local police station which is open to the public and, bobbies on bicycles etc), however wishes are not reality. We have a speeding issue (which is no doubt repeated in every rural community across the land) - combined with very low levels of police on the ground. There are no police available for this issue despite the fact that you pay taxes – so you can either pass the buck ‘I pay for it so I’m not doing it myself’ in which case nothing will happen, or you can chip in to help your community by volunteering for projects like these. I think this is a modern day thought process that has not afflicted previous generations. Not just in areas of highways and policing. I remember when everyone cleared snow off the pavements in front of their houses – it was a normal thing to do. Now the majority of pavements are left because people can’t be bothered or think it is the job of some government agency somewhere. It like we are detached from the everyday workings of life. The grass is mowed for us…… the trees cut for us, our rubbish is collected for us…..the streets are swept for us…. our recycling is taken for us….it is all ‘invisible’ and we have come to expect that it will happen with no input from ourselves. Well, sometimes our input is required if we wish to aide our community. Sometimes it is not someone else’s job. Sometimes you can’t rely on the Public Purse. This is one of those times because the Public Purse is empty. It is being widely used in many rural area and is very successful. I do not think it is the work of some secret service undercover mafia organisation working behind closed doors at secret high level meetings! It is a volunteer programme called Speedwatch – nothing secret or underhanded about it (although I am sure Kat will be disappointed)

Re: speeding - liz (30th Jul 2014 - 14:15:36) I have two friends who were both caught in recent months for speeding in thirty mile limits (and booked) by the police, one in Liphook and one in Headley. So it seems the police do have the time and resources. Neither of my friends was doing over 34 miles an hour. Yes I know they were speeding and there is no excuse but why are we then told that the police do not have the resources to catch those who drive recklessly through the village? Perhaps they are after easier targets.

Re: speeding - Kat (30th Jul 2014 - 15:19:13) Dawn, you may think its hilarious but it is fact that we pay our taxes and even more since you have been a councillor. You and your colleagues decided to increase our Council Tax by a whopping 15%. So perhaps you should stop wingeing and start listening to your public. Use some of the £100ks you have squirrelled away in your public purse to do something about the traffic and transport issues in our village. Fact, you are deciding things behind close doors, in secret, and we can all see that. Fact, you don't even tell us what you will be reporting on in your own meetings. Fact, you cant even tell us where the flashing speeding signs are. Fact, you haven't even told us who made the Streetwatch report at the last Council meeting. I agree with what liz says.

Re: speeding - Dawn Hoskins (30th Jul 2014 - 15:55:56) For those of you unfamiliar with the Parish Council Agenda, 'Reports from Outside Bodies' is on the Agenda as a standing item every month. This is the section where anything regarding information from organisations or events that are not being organised by the Parish Council are spoken about - if that outside body has given any updates to the Parish Council. It is not the Parish Council that looks after Highways or speeding drivers or traffic calming. Nothing secret about it (Sorry Kat) BTW I do not find it hilarious that this countries finances have been run into the ground, I find it hilarious that having said it is no good to pretend that it is otherwise that people still demand that it is otherwise. I also find it hilarious that your continued attempts at every level and at every turn to try to convince people that the Parish Council are a bunch of Mafia types operating some sort of knee-cap breaking , super-secret covert operation falls on deaf ears.

Re: speeding - Jezza (30th Jul 2014 - 16:25:44) I suppose its just another indication that the Councillors do not actually care about the village as a whole and are seeking 'beneficial improvements' for themselves rather than the village they represent.

Re: speeding - Kat (30th Jul 2014 - 16:55:34) So Dawn, who from the outside body gave the report? Is that too difficult to answer. So Dawn, where are the flashing speed signs which belong to the Council? I have never said or implied anyone is a mafia type and and that statement and the description you have posted are yours and yours alone. They are not mine. What I have said and continue to say is that you councillors make decisions behind closed doors, in secret, lack openess and transparency and you are not listening to the public. Your arrogance is frightening but only to be expected. Dawn, and your council hasn't run down its own council finances. A lot of people would disagree. It is not falling on deaf ears whatever you want to think or say.

Re: speeding - Matt (30th Jul 2014 - 18:15:38) Do the missing flashing speeding signs flash with happy (😊) and sad (😞) faces depending on speed? If so they were being used a few weeks ago on midhurst road by a group of people who I assume are speed watch in fluorescent jackets.

Re: speeding - jaybee (30th Jul 2014 - 19:45:14) We still don't know what happened to "THE FLASHING SPEED SIGNS"

Re: speeding - Amy (30th Jul 2014 - 21:11:34) They do have the faces! It made me laugh so much, I don't think that's the desired effect. Oh no a naughty sad face!

Re: speeding - JW (31st Jul 2014 - 19:42:11) I was approaching the middle mini roundabout by the newsagents (from Haslemere direction) when a lorry coming fast from London Road to Petersfield passed to the right of the mini, without even touching the marked central area. I was so shocked that I tried to get close enough to get his number, but was prevented by the speed limits. If a vehicle or cyclist had been coming along from the old Portsmouth Road there could have been a serious accident. There ought to be a camera looking down on this area and prosecutions. By the way, have always wondered who was the idiot who signposted Haslemere through Liphook instead of the logical way via the Grayshott junction just before the tunnel on the A3?

Re: speeding - Brian (31st Jul 2014 - 23:54:04) I agree with some of the comments regarding the excessive speeds on the Haslemere road and with the view that it needs to feel more like the village road it is. I respect that Speedwatch is an attempt to address this issue and I have heard positive things about a nearby scheme from family. However, improving the road to make it less attractive for speeding should be an option to consider. One option that strangely works is removing the dotted lines in the middle of the road. Humps and other road restrictions are not always the answer as has been mentioned in earlier posts. However, preventing the outrageous crazy stunts is something only the police can tackle. I recently witnessed a car going through the square in the early evening going from midhurst road to the headly road, which was going so fast the back was sliding left and right trying to stay on the road and he even managed to get the back of the car to take off on the white bumps in the middle of the roundabout. All I could do was stop and wait to be a witness should something had happened.

Re: speeding - Janet (1st Aug 2014 - 02:45:17) I also wonder why the Liphook junction for the A3 was placed at Bramshott, forcing all the A3 traffic to pass through Liphook in order to reach the junction. I've always thought the junction would have been better placed where the bridge is, on the Headley Road.

Re: speeding - tony (1st Aug 2014 - 09:51:43) There is still space on the west side of the bridge over Headley Road, to build a gyratory link to the A3, with ever increasing traffic levels going across Liphook and a new Eco town underway in Bordon, it will only get worse. It would cost the Highways Agency a bit, but if done properly they could link it up with a ring road to the south, picking up the Haslemere Road just beyond the railway bridge, making all east to west traffic bypass the square completely. I could draw up plans if they ask me! Would be good for all the lorries once they start fracking us too.

Re: speeding - Kat (4th Aug 2014 - 18:49:16) jaybee The signs are in the Parish Office. Look at the Speed sign thread.

Re: speeding - liz (5th Aug 2014 - 08:28:21) Tony I think you would have a stranded gyratory system! We already have traffic feeding from the A3 to the west and east of Liphook - can't see the need for one in the middle as well - particularly onto the Headley Road! Also can't see an obvious link between your proposed turn off and the Haslemere Rd without crossing the existing A3 exit to the east!

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