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Sunday Night Project - Grahame Polley (9th Feb 2009 - 09:25:04) I see Liphook had a big mention by Alan Carr on his program last night. The village is becoming quite famous. Standby for all the tourists in the summer. [editor - not really wishing to restart this debate, but for those interested .... channel4.com/catchup... you need to get to the second half of the program and then at approximately 3 mins 34 seconds into it.]

Re: Sunday Night Project - Stephen (9th Feb 2009 - 14:48:01) Please do go to this link to see how THAT newspaper article might have looked before sub-editing. Hilarious. [I hope this creates a live link] click here

Re: Sunday Night Project - Eneida (9th Feb 2009 - 15:57:24) Why this sudden fascination by the Daily Mail for stories involving Liphook ?? Another one in the paper today about a Bohunt girl wearing a very short skirt.....and that's supposed to be 'news'!! Please give us a break....it's becoming embarrassing telling people where you come from :( Eneida www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...

Re: Sunday Night Project - viky (9th Feb 2009 - 16:30:50) Although I very much disagree with the way the situation was handled by the teacher especially with those awful comments, I do feel for them sometimes as it is an ongoing battle trying to get the girls to wear the required length. Picking up my 13 yr old daughter I am horrified to see girls even younger than my daughter with skirts way too high. It is up to the parents even more so then the teachers to teach these girls that minis at school, and at their age anywhere! are wrong and WHY they are wrong.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Barry Hope (9th Feb 2009 - 16:42:02) So, Liphook is becoming really famous now. I really think Liphook in Bloom and the Carnival should get national mention this year if we keep going at this rate of exposure. Barry

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (9th Feb 2009 - 17:19:02) Well, I'm glad someone else has noticed it!!!! The school should do more. Send them straight home when they come in looking like that - it makes the whole area look like some sort of knocking shop. WHAT IS THE POINT of having a policy on skirt length if the girls get away with rolling the skirts up to their knickers day in and day out. Some times you need a sledgehammer to crack a nut and this is not the time to start become all PC. They DO look like sluts - if they don't realise then it should be up to someone in authority (like a teacher) to tell them in no uncertain terms what people think of them when they choose to look like this. The mother should be ashamed that her daughter deliberately sets out to break the rules and should be supporting the school. Well done Bohunt, keep it up. You made the rules on skirt length - enforce them.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Chris (9th Feb 2009 - 18:20:29) I hope you are right Barry but somehow I feel that this won't happen because compared to the revelation of male transvestites congregating in the Millenium hall and this daft obsession with the Bohunt uniform fiasco, Liphook in Bloom and the other one you mentioned don't stand a chance in the downturn busting newsworthy stakes.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Robert Douglas (9th Feb 2009 - 18:47:01) Well at least Aisher is a girl. Several of the other people in Liphook in too short skirts aren't.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (9th Feb 2009 - 20:12:53) There are hundreds of comments about this. An overwhelming tsunami of support for the teacher and condemnation of the girls behaviour. What is good about the comments page is that each comment gets a thumbs up or a thumbs down rating by the public. Those in favour of the girl get a pretty unanimous thumbs down! Shame, when people have to apologise for telling the truth. - Gemma, Leighton Buzzard, UK, 8/2/2009 23:14 If the cap fits... Why is her mother letting her dress so "adult" ? What's her ambition - to be pregnant by 15 ? - angela, bristol, 8/2/2009 23:19 Faced with the excessive sexualisation of females in our society, teaching girls not to hinge their self esteem on their sexual availability is an important part of their education. Helping them find confidence in other ways is so important if they are to have a decent start in life. Therefore it was right to tell her to adjust her clothing, if only to enhance her self worth. The insult was out of order though. The girl's mother is right to object to the comment, but she should also be concerned about her daughter, teach her to be proud of her brains and heart instead. Also, she is 13 yrs old for goodness sakes. She's still a child. Its not ok for a child to be dressing like a sexually available woman... something is very wrong there. - jane, York, 8/2/2009 23:19 [editor - for a full list of comments, review the original story ... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...]

Re: Sunday Night Project - stephen hill (9th Feb 2009 - 23:16:32) Sunday Night Project research team! You are noddys! Liphook is a village!!! We don’t have a town hall so we can't be classified as a town!!!!

Re: Sunday Night Project - Chris (10th Feb 2009 - 01:25:02) theres also an overwhelming support backing what the teacher actually said. if i went to your 13 year old daughters and told them they looked like sluts with cellulite, i wouldnt be a popular guy. many of the common sense replies merely saying 'the skirt was too short, but the teacher could have phrased it better' are getting scores of minus several hundred. a poor indictment of the daily mail readership. they should probably learn you dont have to go to an extreme, to hold a valid point!

Re: Sunday Night Project - freddy (10th Feb 2009 - 11:29:09) Dawn… Yet again I’m reading your postings with I’m sure if I looked in the mirror a bewildered look on my face, you seem to have massive double standards. How you can say the young females of bohunt are sluts is a disgrace... Were you never a teenager, its apart of growing up, rebelling against authority, I know I did. Now the double standard. In previous postings you think its perfectly fine the we have a certain group using the village hall at the same time as the young people? (I could rant on, but it probably wouldn’t get posted then)... call me a bigoted old non pc saddo, but I know In my mind what is normal behaviour , and to tell you straight I don’t care anymore, this country is going mad…….

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (10th Feb 2009 - 12:22:20) Hi Freddy I think it is very regrettable that the parent of this child has allowed her to ‘pose’ with a bum length skirt in a National newspaper. Now not only the poor people of Liphook have to know about her inappropriate clothing and permanent rule breaking – but the whole nation as well. I agree that the word ‘slut’ is a harsh one. But in this particular instance we have a 13 year old child with make up thicker than the recent snow and a skirt that would definitely not cover her knickers unless she was pushed around bolt upright on a skateboard. Any sort of bending over or sitting down would involve a full display of her wares. So, I do not think it is a disgrace to describe this as slutty. I think it is accurate. I did a lot of rebelling against authority when I was growing up, however, not of my rebelling involved showing off my pants to the entire school and posing with a full face of make up in a National paper at age 13. The fact that I stand firm against any sort of discrimination should not cause you problem. It is all about upholding rules and laws. It is against all the rules and regs at Bohunt that girls wear ‘micro’ skirt/belts showing off their knickers. It is also absolutely against the law to discriminate on grounds of gender. To allow this to occur has enabled the National press to portray Liphook as the toilet of Hampshire. Which they have done. If you think it is normal for 13 year old children to have their faces made up like this and go to school displaying their nether regions then that is up to you as a parent. Clearly the parent of this girl also thinks it is OK. However, I do not think this is normal – I think it is abominable – and judging by the hundreds of comments on the Mail webpage – this is the overwhelming opinion. OK, the words were perhaps a bit harsh, but if society looks at this form of dress as slutty, then it’s about time someone told her. Better now than later – God only knows what sort of attention this attracts from the males she encounters – but I can imagine that they are getting the message loud and clear. So, better to go home crying after she has been told the truth by a teacher – and change her behaviour – than to encounter something worse at the hands of someone who doesn’t care about her. At least this teacher is making an effort to get the message across. More parents and teachers should try doing the same.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (10th Feb 2009 - 12:48:51) Also, as a mother of three boys, I have tried very hard throughout their lifetime to hammer home that women are to be seen as equals. I have had numerous discussions with them along the lines that girls are not sexual possessions to be leered at and should be judged on their brain power and personality – not the colour of their pants or the size of their boobs. Having teenage girls in school looking like this does nothing but smash this ideology to pieces as this is the exact image that they are portraying. Hey presto, a new generation of men who see women as lesser humans. No wonder the boys can’t concentrate in class!! I don’t understand how this can cause bewilderment Freddy, but I would appreciate you trying to explain it to me as I am trying hard to see the other side of this argument. Dawn

Re: Sunday Night Project - Eneida (10th Feb 2009 - 15:12:39) I think the best solution would be for both boys and girls to wear trousers, especially in Winter. It would stop all these arguments about skirt length/sluttiness/flouting authority etc etc which I suspect will just go on for ever with no resolution......after all it would be quite pointless to roll up trouser legs to look more alluring!! Eneida

Re: Sunday Night Project - freddy (10th Feb 2009 - 15:50:03) Dawn This is not a paper on sexual discrimination for the Open University, this is real life. I didn’t mention anything about the rules and regulations at Bohunt, because we all know them, nor for one minute am I in agreement with some of the interpretations that some of the kids come up with for, school uniforms are right. Yet you go on about them like some half baked moral crusader. The rules are there to be enforced by Bohunt. So what are you saying? All females, if they dress-up/or down for that matter, could be victims of male predators? I can see only one answer to this. 1… All females must wear full body suits 2…All females to be chaperoned at all times 3… The banning of all TV, Internet and DVD. 4…. No communal bathing. Ring any bells???? Ps…. You didn’t answer the second part of my post Pps…. I think I’ve got it….. You want everyone to dress as ladies

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (10th Feb 2009 - 17:59:14) Hi Freddy, OK, I thought I had covered your points quite thoroughly? You couldn’t understand why I would call girls who look like this slutty, and I explained why I thought they did. If talking about the uniform policy and how we (in society generally) view overly made-up girls in mini skirts makes me seem like a half baked moral crusader I apologise. I asked you to explain the opposing view, and maybe I would also think you were coming across as half baked – but you have declined. You asked me why I had double standards, and I thought that I had covered that point by differentiating between direct discrimination of a group of persons who are protected by law and the inappropriate dressing of a 13 year old. I do not agree with you that there is a double standard of any sort. You cannot compare gender discrimination with a silly 13 year old hell bent on breaking the rules surely? Please can you explain what you want me to talk about as I am genuinely trying to understand your point. Just to answer you in full (although I think you are writing tongue in cheek?) Females who are not flashing their undergarments are not likely to attract predatory male attention. Young pre-pubescent children looking like walking sex adverts will. Simple. So, I am confused. You seem to be disagreeing with what I am saying, but also disagreeing with the behaviour of the school girl?

Re: Sunday Night Project - Pauline (10th Feb 2009 - 19:31:18) How a girl wants to where a skirt is up to them; there is no point in trying to force a girl who is intent on wearing a 2" skirt into wearing something that reaches to just above her ankles. In my experience by the time girls reach the age of 19 they realise how ridiculous they looked during their school days; I certainly don't know any civilized girls over the age of 16 who would wear anything like that. The problem here is that school rules have been broken, not what the girl in question is wearing. If I remember correctly, the school rules state that no skirt that reaches 6" above the knee is allowed. Because this girl has clearly worn a skirt shorter than the this, the school has every right to punish her. But calling her a slut and insulting her is not the way to do this. The only effective way to get her to wear something deemed less 'slutty' by some would be to give girls with short skirts the same punishment for incorrect uniform as everyone else. This may act as a more effective deterrent than personal insults.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Phil McNamara (10th Feb 2009 - 21:08:48) The girl at the centre of this thread has been identified and named in the public media, and now she is being debated on a commercial website by, as it were, her neighbours. Think about it, people.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Eneida (10th Feb 2009 - 22:15:07) Well Phil I would imagine the girl in question, or her mother, gave permission for the Daily Mail to publish her photo and story, therefore it is in the public domain to be discussed by whoever wishes to do so. Perhaps you should think as to why that permission was given ??

Re: Sunday Night Project - Phil McNamara (11th Feb 2009 - 09:16:18) Dear Eneida Many thanks for your reply / post. My point was that there are several emerging test cases where individuals have been named in commercial blogs and websites, and they are successfully suing the site providers and contributors for defamation. My concern, therefore, is for people who participate in unregulated discussions about named individuals on commercial websites. I doubt it would take much for any of the individuals named and discussed in recent threads by regular Talkback contributors, to take legal action for defamation of character. I hope all who contribute are willing to take the risk. If they are, far be it from me to point out the implications, and I wish them well ... ! Personally, I suspect Talkback has had it's day. Twitter is more interesting. Kind regards, Phil [editor - not sure that even you could say everything in just 140 characters - the limit on Twitter]

Re: Sunday Night Project - barbara (11th Feb 2009 - 10:42:39) the photo was clearly posed for and as she is 13 she probably does not realise the consequences. If she has been brought up? like this with her mother not protecting her or advising her then it is not surprising she is unaware of how people might view her skirt. She will probably learn the hard way. Why is she not told that wearing makeup that young does not look good either? Sometimes one has to protect someone of that age for their own good!

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (11th Feb 2009 - 15:11:13) I don't really get twitter. You have to choose who to 'follow' but no one I know is registered. I don't want to follow peoples' interesting updates just because they are famous etc. I registered last week and have about 10 "hoskins' who are 'following me'. I have no idea who they all are!!LOL Also, unless you constantly check the home page, you don't get updated. So, I really don't get it?

Re: Sunday Night Project - BG (11th Feb 2009 - 17:52:16) I'd just like to say I LOVE GINNY GREEN (and Bev of course) they help all us upper school so much with college etc and are really lovely : )

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (12th Feb 2009 - 17:07:09) Hi there. I would like to clarify issues surrounding defamation – so that everyone understands what it is. Although there is a little confusion as to whether blog entries should be viewed as Libel or slander (since the ruling in Smith v ADVFN & Others) in order for an offence to occur the statement made must contain the following elements. • A statement of fact which is a lie. • which causes damage to a persons reputation, and is • Published as a result of malice (if the person is a public figure) or negligence (if the person is a private person) Things that CANNOT be defamatory are: • The truth. • Your Opinion • A statement commenting on a matter of public interest Although it is possible for an internet service provider to be found liable for 3rd party comment, they have qualified immunity providing they do not edit the comments (Since the case of Bunt and Tilley). It has been found in the High Court that discussion board ( threads or blogs) are read by relatively few people, who share an interest in the subject matter and are analogous to contributions to a casual conversation at a pub or a bar. Because of this ‘casual tone’ comments are uninhibited, off the cuff and sometimes ill thought-out. The ‘tone of voice’ on forums is characterised by witty retort and as such the Judge acknowledged that “give and take” was expected. It is because of the conversational tone that the High Court considered postings to be more “akin to slanders”. Slander is only actionable if the claimant can prove special (monetary) damage (however injurious to reputation and however malicious the motive) and is therefore more difficult to prove as a cause of action. Libel will attract an award of damages regardless of financial loss [if proven]. So, you all have nothing to fear and can comment away on what you think of XY&Z without fear of law suits plopping onto your door mat.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Sarah (12th Feb 2009 - 19:38:04) Hello I just wanted to say that the main point of this for me, as a mother with two young daughters, is that the young girl in question looked a bit scary and 'hard/harsh' in all these pictures (in my opinion - thank you Dawn). Many (obviously not all ) of the girls I see around Liphook leaving the school look the same. I am not naive, and in my own school days was wild (!) enough to roll the waistband of my skirt over to shorten my skirt (that was as much as the school would let us get away with, unless we were caught!). The difference is the hard and somewhat cocky attitude that many children seem to ooze. Before people shout at me about all the lovely children that go to Bohunt, I know this is the case, the problem is though that it is the badly dressed, 'cocky' ones that the public notice in the centre of Liphook, or, in this case, a girl in the national and local newspapers. I have seen threads on here about this before and seem to remember in one case someone even stating that if girls don't wear short skirts they will probably get bullied. Even though my daughters are very small I have grave concerns at the thought of sending them to a school where 13 year old girls can look and act in such a harsh and cheap manner. This is a shame, when many people I know have a good opinion of Bohunt, but I genuinely have concerns about what is my perceived attitude of some of the children there. I cannot understand why the school does not or cannot enforce stricter uniform policies, including make-up and jewellry. And if you cannot stop girls from shortening their skirts (even temporarily by rolling over the waistband!) then at least enforce the wearing of thick dark tights!

Re: Sunday Night Project - P Wayland (12th Feb 2009 - 20:31:53) Surely this has been a problem since Mary Quant introduced the mini-skirt in the 60s. Have they got shorter? I recall skirt length being an issue when I was at Bohunt 25 years ago; its hardly a new thing. The teacher said the wrong thing for the right reasons. It was a bit naive of her to address the situation in this way. Surely if the school has a policy then the girl shoudlve been sent home to change at the beginning of the day, rather than letting it get to this.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Roy (12th Feb 2009 - 23:00:29) It probably boils down to low self esteem. A desire to be noticed A bit like flashing. (or should that be fleshing???)

Re: Sunday Night Project - Jan Rathbone (13th Feb 2009 - 12:39:39) I think P.Wayman (above)said it all in one sentence,the teacher said...' the wrong thing, right reasons'. I personally don't give a dingbats as to how much make up or how short the skirt of any female who goes to Bohunt or any other school, or for that matter, any male in the area too! It won't ruin my day.. as this will never ever change..it's called freedom of choice. But where there are rules, they have to be enforced by the enforcers. This happending at all implies the school seems too busy or indifferent to impose the consequences of it's own rules. There is always a few females or even males who dont know, or dont care, what their dress (or even undress) says about them...until they get to 40 and realise what a twonk they looked and probably how they wished they still had the legs for it...some may even still think they do...eek! The teacher said the wrong thing. It may have been her opinion, but would have been much better and, dare I say, professionally handled, if said female had instead been asked to go to the headteachers office and have it explained to her why she was being sent home according to school rules for inappropriate dress, along with the other 50 or so females that day, and the boys with volumous amounts of underpants showing - heaven forfend a young female may be sexually aroused by the flashing of an old pair of (what were once white) grey underpants. I have never felt that these young men were at risk of being sexually assaulted by paedophiles or women, by flashing their underpants, or indeed that they were wanting to sell themselves. Equally, I have never thought a young girl of around 13 in a short skirt with make up was offering herself as 'easy' or 'selling herself' . She is young and thinks she looks nice and trendy. That really is all there is too it. This whole debaucle could have had a date of 1969 on the article in the Mail and still have the same views and opinions posted. Not much changes over the years, it seems short skirts on young girls ever being accepted, is one of them.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Ben Govier (15th Feb 2009 - 20:07:32) Interesting timesonline.co.uk/... Made it to the Sunday Times (sort of.)

Re: Sunday Night Project - Stephen (16th Feb 2009 - 09:28:33) What Ms Knight deliberately fails to notice in her rush to preach to us is who must have contacted the paper in the first place.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Barbara (16th Feb 2009 - 11:35:04) This story has made National status because the Daily Mail Journalist lives in Liphook, and a paparazzi photographer I know is also living and working in this area. I do not think that the tittle tattle level these stories are would have been given any "legs" otherwise. I think we are descending into the realms of Max Cliiford journalism. It is money for someone after all.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Eneida (16th Feb 2009 - 12:13:58) Well apparently Ms. Knight got this story from Martin Belam's personal blog, where he had a go at the Daily Mail for, in his opinion, breaking Section 6 of the PCC code of conduct and in fact, he reported the Mail to the PCC. Mr Belam is part of the Guardian's web development team responsible for the guardian.co.uk website.....need I say more ?? Eneida

Re: Sunday Night Project - Allan (16th Feb 2009 - 17:23:11) Barbara, Could that have been the same gentleman overheard in a hostelry in Milland boasting of how handsomely he was paid by the Daily Mail for theT.V.'s at the M. Hall story - even though the author was named as someone different to himself in the Mail?

Re: Sunday Night Project - P Weyland (16th Feb 2009 - 17:32:29) Makes sense Barbara. I did wonder why a girl wearing a mini-skirt to school would make national tabloid news; regardless of what the teacher said.

Re: Sunday Night Project - sue W (17th Feb 2009 - 10:27:08) Well!! I feel like Finchie did upon his return after a week away! All I can say is "same cr*p - different day" If, it is true, as some have expressed these are the writings of a local paper man (who incidently should be gutsy enough to use his real name) running these stories - why should we continue commenting on them - do you not feel that you are feeding his desires by participating in them. He obviously reads this site, and must be laughing until wetting himself!! You feed monkeys peanuts - this feeds him very good money!!

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (17th Feb 2009 - 10:43:19) How interesting Allan!! I wonder if anyone connected to the Millennium Hall or parish council frequents the aforesaid. Do spill the beans please!!!!!

Re: Sunday Night Project - barbara (17th Feb 2009 - 14:03:14) The journalist in question probably was the one overheard Allan, and yes he does look at this blog to find his inspiration. My personal experience with the National Press was horrible, I had a freelance journalist outside my house when I had a tradegy just over two years ago. In that instance I was assigned a personal policeman who gave me his personal mobile number and also helped get rid of the jounalist in person. My sister also came to stay with me and told thr journo to leave the vicinity. He did pester me for a while. The story was printed but only in a small way and a lot of the details were wrong, but they printed nothing about me personally because I always refused to talk to them.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Phil McNamara (17th Feb 2009 - 16:04:44) I missed the Sunday Night Project when it was hosted by Lily Allen, but managed to see it on C4 'catch up'. The one with Simon Pegg hosting was excellent.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Mark Bryant (17th Feb 2009 - 19:17:06) Does anyone know where this ex-Daily Mail reporter lives in Liphook at all ? If you do then you can contact me in complete confidence at fabuliss@sky.com I can do it myself by looking at the electoral roll but I have to pay for that. I don't see why I should pay when this excuse for a human being has already made money out of my wife and I (and very handsomely it seems). All I want to do is ask him to hand over the fee he got from the Mail to me and Linda. It would only part pay for the damage he and the Liphook Herald reporter have done between them. Thank You Liphook - I wait with baited breath !?!! (LOL)

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (17th Feb 2009 - 19:29:04) I think I know where the 'Major' lives, but I'm not sure that is who we are talking about now - what I mean is, I don't think that is who plonked the story in his lap.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Barbara (18th Feb 2009 - 12:20:54) I know where the reporter lives who I think was responsible for your story but as he has not put his name to it, but has given the story to somone else to print, then I cannot prove that he actually wrote the story. They probably shared the money. I note that he has not been back on this website since!.. Also one has to question who gave him your story? It did not occur to him like a lightbulb moment one day! See Dawns comments! Someone has whispered in his ear oh guess what goes on at the Millennium Hall!

Re: Sunday Night Project - Mark Bryant (18th Feb 2009 - 13:16:23) Dear Barbara Nobody whispered in his ear - I have it on good authority that he sat in the hall at some meetings and got the info that way when it was casually discussed. He's a lowlife ..... his address please, Barbara - you have my e-mail address. Many Thanks Mark

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (18th Feb 2009 - 16:17:41) Where is freddy - I keep expecting him to answer me?? Shall I post a 'Missing Persons" ad"

Re: Sunday Night Project - freddy (18th Feb 2009 - 23:23:30) hi dawn Freddy's alive and you wouldn't believe it, (shock horror) living in the real world. Dawn you seem to be spending to much time on here, you need to get out more than just every 2nd wednesday of the month.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Allan (19th Feb 2009 - 01:04:01) Dawn, No concrete beans to spill, I'm afraid. But I was given a fairly good description of the chap; apparantly he is aged 60 ish, about 5' 9", rotund and displaying the early symptoms of proboscus rosacea. Personally can't think of anyone who fits that description locally. Mark, Think you are pushing water uphill if you think you could be in for a cut of the journo fee. Journalists, especially freelance journalists, make their living from sourcing and reporting news that people will wish to read about, often at the expense of the feelings of those they are reporting on. Sometimes it is just pure sensationalism, sometimes it is taking the mick, but; importantly, sometimes they serve society (i.e. you and me ) well by disclosing misuse of public office by those whom we entrust to run everything from parish councils to government ministers (think Jacui Smith!) They are an important element of democracy in this country, and, even if they go over the top regarding individuals sometimes, they must remain free to report

Re: Sunday Night Project - Dawn Hoskins (19th Feb 2009 - 10:57:10) Hi again Freddy, 1 – Am living very firmly in the real world thanks. 2- Just because I post and respond to posts, does not mean I spend any more time here than people who just choose to read and not comment. This is a well read and useful resource – why should I not use it? 3 – I actually get out and about a lot as well. 4 – Don’t understand why in a discussion I was trying to have with you about young girls looking cheap that you keep twisting the point to refer to events in the Millennium Hall? 5 – I have never written for the Open University 6 – I don’t want everyone to dress as ladies 7 – I have answered your points and would like you to answer mine. 8 - I am trying to get you to discuss your opinions and not just hurl juvenile comment.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Sue w (19th Feb 2009 - 11:26:46) Well said Allan. Mark, you are holding meetings in public places - advertise in the public arena, and therefore by doing so have placed yourself open to being reported on. You have by your own admissions received good support and 'free' advertisement of your club - so be thankful for that. All it seems to me is that you now want some of the money the guy got for doing his job. To some it is not a respectible job - but just understand that to some what they see you and your friends do may not be respectible to them. Let it be!! Why did you not sell your side of the stroy?

Re: Sunday Night Project - Mark Bryant (19th Feb 2009 - 20:16:10) Thanks for your comments sue w - I wouldn't particularly describe our meets as being held in a public place (it's the Millenium Hall but we pay for a room there and expect to have some form of privacy, surely ?) - neither do we advertise publicly. We have a website but only give it to interested parties. So, for instance, before the Daily Mail story broke the other week you would never have found our website. You wouldn't even know what it was called either (the room is booked in my wife's name, not in the name of FABULISS). That is the whole point I am trying to make. Even if you would have gone into any website search engine and typed in "Liphook". "transvestite" or "Mark Bryant" you would not have found me/us. That is why I am so cross. We are private people and deserve some form of privacy the same as any other group hiring a room at the hall (whether it be naked pilates, dangerous ironing or Des O'Connor Fan Meets or any other local yokel type things - LOL). I do not accept that the reporter was just doing his job. Don't make me laugh. His job is to report the truth and the Mail article was lies. It wasn't even a story and certainly not in the public interest. Yes, a reporter or journalist IS a respectable profession, by and large but this individual is not respectable. If you were a reporter on this would you have immediately thought "Oh yes, what I'll do is also humiliate this man in public whilst I'm at it " ? No you wouldn't (I hope). I hope this excuse for a human being has a good holiday on the back of this article. With any luck he won't come back. It's so easy for anyone here to pass a bit of judgement now but just think of the problems I've had to deal with. I've nearly lost my children over this - they are hurt and confused. It's not a shabby little secret by any means and I'm not ashamed of what I do but it is a sensitive subject and is my business ..... MY PRIVATE LIFE. Your comments on respectable ? How can anyone look at myself, my wife & friends and say "that is not respectable". We meet, we talk, we behave. We even dress the same as you (although we're not all women). Most of us are in proper employment, have families etc etc. Why don't we sell our story ? Because we're not cheap and if we did it would put our families through all the pain again. I am not going to take part in this Liphook blog again. It was a mistake to do so. Airing your dirty washing in public is not nice but I had to leave a few comments in here. And anyway, my dirty washing is probably better than all of yours (La Senza, La Perla, Janet Reager, Agent Provocateur etc etc). Ooh Mark you are such a bitch. Good Night.

Re: Sunday Night Project - Sue W (20th Feb 2009 - 10:10:07) Mark, Now i am beginning to get the picture - not very nice one at that. You mentioned that your underwear is better than anyone else’s - mine is made directly for the feminine figure, curvy hips, waistline and real busts!!! There seems to be a need for cross-dressing tips and 'good' styling - why don’t you open a shop in LIPHOOK - there are a few empty ones and sell your fashions etc to the ever growing visitors here. There is no need to hide or cover up this to anyone here, be open and hold your head up high. Perhaps you could earn some money along the way to help re-coup the losses you feel you are owed!

Re: Sunday Night Project - Finchie (20th Feb 2009 - 18:51:19) Naked Pilates ... Now there's an idea !!! Happy Weekend Everybody, Cheers, Finchie

Re: Sunday Night Project - Mark Bryant (20th Feb 2009 - 19:41:48) Hey, nice one Sue W ! A shop ? If only I could afford it. Anyway, I'm already starting my next project. Naked pilates. I meant it as a joke ........ but perhaps there'd be some mileage in it ! But would I have the balls for it ? (pilates balls that is !). Have a good weekend everyone - hope the good weather keeps up. It was lovely today. Can we talk about something else now ?

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