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Fuel Costs - Paul Robinson (5th Oct 2008 - 07:50:59) In these troubled times of soaring costs and collapsing economies its good to see that some things never change. Whilst wholesale petrol and fuel prices are dropping like stones and Asda and Morrisons are reducing their pump prices accordingly (£1.16 / 1.18 per litre) the pump price of diesel at Sainsburys remains stoically at £1.21 per litre. Having seen off the competition in the village I suppose Sainsburys feel secure in holding out at these prices, no doubt the same applies to the food prices in store! Paul Robinson

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (6th Oct 2008 - 09:42:50) Yesterday the Shell South bound was 1.209, (only used cash there!) and we filled up in Hayling at 1.199. Tesco last weekend was 1.189.

Re: Fuel Costs - Dawn Hoskins (6th Oct 2008 - 09:57:53) I suppose they are expecting us to spend £50 each week to get our 5p off vouchers!! The problem with this, is that those who shop on very tight budgets are not usually able to spend £50 in one go, and so are not able to benefit from the price reduction. It is getting to the point where it is worth driving to ASDA!

Re: Fuel Costs - chrissy (7th Oct 2008 - 13:04:14) I'm afraid I got to that point of driving to Asda/Morrisons some time ago! Since Somerfields and the Jet left Sainsburys seem to think it's good customer relations to constantly run out of diesel and basic food supplies on a daily basis!! I got so fed up with not being able to get bread, milk and often diesel I contacted Sainsburys to see why the are unable to manage their stock levels. They responded by saying they were introducing a new ordering system and they would be on top of it very soon. That was 18 months ago! Need I say more!!

Re: Fuel Costs - Paul Robinson (8th Oct 2008 - 16:09:08) "Petrol pump prices have fallen by 10 pence per litre from record highs hit in mid-July, the Automobile Association (AA) said on Wednesday." What price diesel at Sainsburys . . . watch this space Paul Robinson

Re: Fuel Costs - nikki (8th Oct 2008 - 16:23:45) I overheard a conversation in the petrol station ...apparently they won't lower prices until their current promotion ends or something (5p off a litre if u spend 50 or 60 quid in store)

Re: Fuel Costs - chrissy (8th Oct 2008 - 18:06:16) Why is that NOT a surprise!

Re: Fuel Costs - Dee McGrath (9th Oct 2008 - 08:57:54) Sainsburys had no diesel last night!!!

Re: Fuel Costs - Dawn Hoskins (9th Oct 2008 - 09:20:44) Having filled up the tank this morning at Sainsburys, I handed over my petrol voucher and questioned the assistant about why their fuel was so much more expensive than the fuel stations in Bordon? She said head office had told them to hold the price despite the fact that they had been lowered elsewhere, due to the 5p off promotion that was running. So, it would seem that if you can spend 50 pounds at once in Sainsburys you will get the VERY SPECIAL offer - which means you pay the SAME as down the road. Those without vouchers will continue to get completely ripped off. If you want to check fuel prices (wherever you are going) you can use this handy site. Link attached. www.petrolprices.com/..bordon www.petrolprices.com I have decided that as they have made the decision to rip local residents off, I will not buy fuel at Sainsburys. This means that I will use the station next to Tescos and do my shopping there while I am at it. I really am so cross that during this very hard time, when people are trying to save as much as they can on everything, they would deliberately set out to overprice their fuel. It is a bloody disgrace and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Re: Fuel Costs - helen (9th Oct 2008 - 12:21:13) Not the first time they have run out of diesel, probably the 3rd if my memory serves correct in the last 8 months.

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (9th Oct 2008 - 12:40:08) Now, Sainsbury’s are my least favourite retail chain. This just smacks of greed and forcing locals to use their shop, just to gain a 5p off voucher. There are genuine people that will not use their shop and these people are being robbed (almost blackmailed) because they choose not to use the store. This is why something this large in a community this small is very bad news! As for running out of Diesel, this has gone on for years, but when we had the Jet, most could fill up there. It really shocks me that something they knew was wrong a few years has still not be addressed. Never mind people of Liphook - Sainsbury’s are good people, who listen to their customers and provide what they want - Oh yeah - only when it suits them!!

Re: Fuel Costs - Mike Grimes (10th Oct 2008 - 01:28:26) Sue, You wrote "Now, Sainsbury’s are my least favourite retail chain." I'd be interested to know which one was your least favourite before.

Re: Fuel Costs - Paul Robinson (10th Oct 2008 - 08:54:11) May I be permitted to nominate my least favourite chain? Its PC World. When you go in you can never find anyone to help you and when you do it turns out to be a pre pubescent youth who speaks 'a language that the strangers do not know' I now only use them for printer cartridges which are invariably out of stock and overpriced to the point of robbery. If you take the cost of the cartridges away from the cost of a new printer you find that they are practically giving the machine away. Ah don't be talkin' Paul Robinson

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (10th Oct 2008 - 12:22:12) Mike, I don’t actually know what you expect me to say. As far as my post went, the word 'now', was more of an opening to the conversation and topic, rather than saying I had changed recently to disliking this supermarket from any other. If you are at all interested, and perhaps you are as the question came from you, they have always been the bottom of the supermarkets IMO - right from my mum disliking them many, many years ago. Perhaps it was not 'propper speak' but that is me!!

Re: Fuel Costs - chris (10th Oct 2008 - 13:13:14) Paul - try http://svp.co.uk/ for your printer cartridges and any other PC consumables. They are fast (normally) and usually cheaper than the retail outlets.

Re: Fuel Costs - Phil (10th Oct 2008 - 20:38:22) Guys Have you ever considered that Sainsburys may run out of diesel on the odd occasion because their tanks are not big enough to hold the amount of fuel that is needed to supply the whole of Liphook. The Jet garage always had fuel because it was on the whole at least a penny per litre more expensive that Sainsburys. And do you not think that the store would always have full supplies of diesel if it wasn't so popular? The petrol station there is never quiet, and don't keep giving this rubbish of them holding prices until the petrol promotion is over. Do you really think that a mojor supermarket chain would 'blackmail' their customers so? Get a life!! Have you ever considered that by trekking that extra few miles to "save" 40/50 pence that you are actually losing out (it costs you to travel those extra few miles you know) and more to the point that your carbon footprint is positively enormous?!! I rest my case Phil

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (11th Oct 2008 - 09:56:53) Dear Phil, You really must get over yourself that Sainsbury's are gods gift to the Community. You may be the #1 employee, but others may disagree with you, and you should be able to accept others differences! People - shoppers will travel to get the service they require - even if it means more, there is always a principle at stake. You may think it is cutting off the nose to spite their face - but trust me people will stick to it for as long as it suits THEM. In fact your sentiments do nothing to persuade me that you are in the slightest sympathetic to those who have shopped and re-fuelled there but have experienced problems in the past, now and the future. If that is how you respond to your regular shoppers, who are expressing disapproval, I think your time would be better utilised chasing those up the line to sort it!

Re: Fuel Costs - Barry Hope (11th Oct 2008 - 11:24:14) Hi, If anyone is interested, this site gives you a comparison for petrol stations within a radius of up to 20 miles from any post code [as link above]. It is interesting to see that (as of 8th Oct) if you set the range at 20 miles you can see that Morrisons is £105.9 (ASDA is the same price by the way) and Sainsburys (at 10 mile radius) is £109.9. Morrisons is 18.26 miles away so, on the basis that an average car does 30 miles per gallon, or 6.59 miles per litre (if there are 4.55 litres per gallon) you would use 2.77 litres of fuel at a cost of £105.9 per litre making a total cost for the refuelling trip of £2.93. If your fuel tank takes 60 litres of petrol then you would have paid £63.54 at Morrisons and £65.94 at Sainsburys. The bottom line is you have saved £2.40 on fuel costs but spent £2.93 getting there and back so the net result is you are out of pocket by £0.53 pence, not to mention the carbon emmissions as Phil says. ASDA is even further away so the cost would be more) Hardly worth it me thinks.

Re: Fuel Costs - Phil (11th Oct 2008 - 17:17:59) thanks Barry, despite Sue thinking I am a Sainsbury's employee (which I'm not) you have helped validate what I think was a worthwhile point to make.

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (11th Oct 2008 - 17:34:08) Barry, A very informative and credible post. The ironic thing is that people are being forced to travel just to buy the very thing that they can’t get locally. Not worth it, perhaps not, but if you need fuel you have to find it. Take someone who would live in Passfield or Lynchmere, half way between Liphook and Bordon/Weyhill. They have travelled to Liphook and found it empty, then they have to go back to the start and travel the same distance in the other direction (twice). Who is creating the carbon rise of that consumer - not to mention the additional cost? Surely it makes sense to go where you are more certain of buying what you want - so as not to increase the carbon footprint!

Re: Fuel Costs - Barry Hope (11th Oct 2008 - 18:59:16) Understand your comment Sue but wouldn't it be easier to fill up on the way to somewhere or as you pass a station when you still have a 1/4 tank rather than make a special trip. I must be lucky that I have never had a problem at Sainsburys but have arrived at other stations around the area at various times and sometimes they can be out of diesel as well. Having worked in the petrol station business a while ago I know how difficult it is to time a delivery to arrive at the perfect time to avoid running out. Sometimes it is unavoidable if demand has been heavier than usual for some reason or the delivery is delayed. It's not always the fault of the retailer.

Re: Fuel Costs - Vicki (12th Oct 2008 - 10:37:42) I have to agree with you Barry. It is far more economic to fill up as you pass a petrol station than wait until the red light comes on! Then you can choose! It is important that we all take responsibility for our carbon footprints and waiting until you are almost empty then driving around the county to find the cheapest petrol seems a little barmy! Surely running out and getting the AA, or similar, to come and rescue you would also indirectly increase your carbon footprint!

Re: Fuel Costs - sue (12th Oct 2008 - 10:39:53) Barry, That is like saying on the way to shopping and filling up your car, stop at every available point on the way - just in case when you get to the destination they havent got it! Perhaps the bigger picture should be looked at. Would people really travel 'out of their way' just to save a few p on fuel - not in general. If you make your weekly shop to asda, probably saving you more on £50 worth of shopping to Sainsbury's and being able to buy basics like a poster has highlighted therefore completing their shopping in one trip and fill up for less - I think that is sensible shopping - in one go! Is there not a possibility that the price remains high, because the alternative as already outlined would cost more, so they can 'get away' with making extra profit from their local customer base?

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (12th Oct 2008 - 13:52:08) I don’t think this is about people leaving it to the last minute to buy fuel, its about being unable to buy often from this particular source (food and fuel). I think we are actually saying the same thing - buy where you can that suits you, which by some customer’s accounts is not in Liphook. In an ideal world we would never run out of anything. Barry, you are correct in stating that at times delivery and other delays can hold up supply, and that is not the fault of the Petrol Station, but it is their responsibility to ensure that the disruption is kept to a minimum, customers are treated with respect if they complain and it doesn't happen too often. Somehow from the comments here and over past topics that is not the case. It rather seems to be that you should shut up and put up! Another cheap way of not wasting time and fuel is to phone to check the availability - then you can pick your destination correctly.

Re: Fuel Costs - Steve Read (12th Oct 2008 - 23:40:51) Luv Sainsbury's, can't be beat, shame they wont be allowed to open earlier for fuel. ps and my old mum likes em!

Re: Fuel Costs - Dawn Hoskins (13th Oct 2008 - 13:08:24) Tesco Havant is 113.9 today!!!

Re: Fuel Costs - gary (13th Oct 2008 - 18:40:53) Once again today they are out of super unleaded. Running out of fuel seems to getting a regular activity for them !!!! Email being sent to them will they bother to reply????

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (13th Oct 2008 - 21:43:40) Dawn, Ah, my preferred choice when down at Hayling – Tesco Havant. And they offer 5p vouchers too at times!! I noticed you made a comment that perhaps you would shop at Bordon Tesco. (who don't have petrol there), but if you ask they will give you the 5p off fuel vouchers when the offer is on!

Re: Fuel Costs - Dawn Hoskins (14th Oct 2008 - 09:04:26) Yes Sue, I have been to Tesco today and although the BP garage is still expensive it is 1 or 2 p cheaper than Sainsburys and you can also use your nectar card in there. Tesco certainly seem to be having a LOT of very good offers at the moment. They are obviously rising to the challenges we face with money worries. I also notice that they have a policy of DOUBLE THE DIFFERENCE if the label on the shelf is not charged at the till. This happens to me all the time at Sainsburys. Normally I just go to customer services and demand the special offer price, but if it happens at Tesco I will get an even better special offer!! It took me a long time to do the shopping as I didn't know where anything was - but I'm sure I will get used to it.

Re: Fuel Costs - Paul Robinson (15th Oct 2008 - 11:44:17) Now here's a funny thing. . . This morning I note that Sainsburys Liphhook store is selling Diesel at £1.18.9 per litre, a welcome reduction you might say when wholesale oil prices have dropped by 40% in the last four weeks. But wait. Only yesterday I filled up at Sainsburys of Oldham at the pump price of £1.13.9 per litre! Could it be that they believe we affluent southern softies can afford to pay more ? I fancy it had more to do with Oldham store having a large Tesco on the opposite side of the road. Paul Robinson

Re: Fuel Costs - Frank Baldry (15th Oct 2008 - 19:13:03) Unleaded now 99.9p a litre and Diesel 111.9p a litre at Morrisons, Cowplain :)

Re: Fuel Costs - Steve Read (15th Oct 2008 - 20:05:25) Whilst we all object to getting ripped off for fuel those of us who still think in gallons might be interested in an article I came across the other day. Putting into perspective a list of other so called 'necessities' of modern living per gallon. 1) Brake fluid for your car £33.60 per gallon. 2) Lipton Ice Tea £9.52 per gallon. 3) Cough Mixture £178.13 per gallon. 4) Evian Water £21.19 per gallon (Give that one some thought). 5) Do you have a home computer? Do you use an inkjet printer? The cartridges work out at........ £5200.00 per gallon. Interesting comparisons but as the journalist states its not going to ease the pain in his pocket when he goes to fill up but it shouldn't hurt so much! What I need is a car that provides refreshment, soothes your throat, stops when you get there and then produces a receipt to show you how much its just cost.

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (15th Oct 2008 - 20:19:47) Yesterday Shell south bound £1.16.9! - not too far out of most peoples way!! I went to Hayling today, and popped into tesco Havant - thanks Dawn £1.13.9 and club card points too, with the added bounus of being able to pay at the pumps such quick service! Grabbed a KFC on the way too! Sue

Re: Fuel Costs - Jo Herridge (16th Oct 2008 - 19:38:26) I see some places have now dropped to just under a pound a litre for unleaded. heard it on the radio too. i saw today Morrisons at Waterlooville were 99.9p per litre so i topped up there and then rather than waiting to see how long it would take sainsburys to follow suit

Re: Fuel Costs - Paul Robinson (18th Oct 2008 - 18:28:49) The last time the wholesale oil price was $68 a barrel the pump price was about 80p per litre. Despite the best entreaties of the sainted Mr Broon the fuel companies and supermarkets are refusing to lower their pump prices. Anyone care to predict by how many billion their end of year profit figures will be increased? Paul Robinson

Re: Fuel Costs - Dawn Hoskins (22nd Oct 2008 - 10:10:20) Bordon Service Station today the diesel is 112.9

Re: Fuel Costs - gary (22nd Oct 2008 - 18:40:31) Asda Tuesday 97.7 per litre Petersfield Esso 103.9 Liphook Sainsburys 106.9 hmmm I save £ 7.50 per fill up at asda , worth doing if your down that way

Re: Fuel Costs - Dawn Hoskins (24th Oct 2008 - 09:06:06) 110.9p for deisel at Sainsburys This is 2p cheaper than BP / Jet. Maybe they have got the message??!!!! You have to be in Havant to get cheaper.

Re: Fuel Costs - sue (24th Oct 2008 - 10:14:45) Yesterday I heard that Asda have dropped their prices once again, and in reply Sainsburys matched them, but not ALL of their stations will sell at the reduced price!! Cant remember the actual cost but it was below the .99p ltr for unleaded!.

Re: Fuel Costs - Phil (24th Oct 2008 - 15:44:33) Ooooh have you seen? 96.9 for unleaded and a discount voucher when you spend £50 instore!! That makes it 91.9.

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue W (24th Oct 2008 - 18:30:45) Folks - hurry up and buy at Sainsburys - before they run out!! I thought I would share with you one of the areas MOST EXPENSIVE station - the Shell on the A32 by the Half Way House - just before Forest Lodge - £119.9 per ltr diesel!! They have just dropped it from £124.9 - no wonder I never see any cars in there!!

Re: Fuel Costs - christi (25th Oct 2008 - 07:07:02) That station has always been really expensive! Good to see Sainsburys finally passing on savings! How long will it last though after yesterdays fuel news?!!

Re: Fuel Costs - Sumi Olson (3rd Nov 2008 - 22:32:06) Just to say I bought petrol for 96p (or was it 95.6) per litre. And took advantage of the 1/3 off promotion on baby items. I'm all for supporting locals & independents and do so whenever I can. I'm really looking forward to the new market at the village hall in December!!!! Thanks for getting this set up, Ben! However, PLEASE let's not keep rubbishing sainsbury's all the time just for the sake of it - let's face it, all supermarkets follow the profit principle whoever they are and peronsally, I prefer Sainsbury's to Tesco who bully councils into forcing them to give planning permission to build stores. I get just as frustrated when I can't get an item because it's out of stock but as I don't want lorries unloading at all hours of the night and day, I accept that I won't get everything I need, all of the time. Nontheless, I am glad we've got a supermarket as it does bring people into the village - many people who came to the BLACS Annual Exhibition this month combined their shopping trip with a visit and parked in the free carpark opposite. I know people from Headley who come over to shop there - why don't we actively encourage them to do other things in the village while they are here through targeted marketing and advertising...?

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (4th Nov 2008 - 00:51:12) Sumi Perhaps you have not read the herald recently - re advertising other areas of Liphook to attract those who visit here. There are discussions and plans for better signage for shops, at various locations including the roundabouts, but as this has to go to planning and highways - these take time. There are always adverts in the papers and radio for certain shops here, but without some sort of chamber of commerce or association it will never seem enough. I remember the wine shop placing advertising boards on the roundabout by the Millennium Hall - these were constantly removed.

Re: Fuel Costs - Sumi Olson (4th Nov 2008 - 14:18:20) Hi Sue I've not said Liphook traders aren't doing anything; quite rightly they are working, as all good businesses should be, to find all opportunities to increase turnover. I just think that the constant blaming of all our woes on Sainsburys is not the right way to look at things. The endlesss sniping at Sainsbury's gets a little wearing at times... Cheers Sumi

Re: Fuel Costs - barbara (4th Nov 2008 - 17:29:43) Just a thought regarding advertising on the roundabout. I believe this roundabout is owned by Sainsburys, although I might be wrong,so it is not surprising they remove competing signs, and 2. It is not actually every traders' right to put their signs up everywhere they want to, I do think that they should check with the planners at EHDC to check what is is or is not allowed. Home made A board signs and others tied to posts just make the area look untidy and like a shanty town. This is my personal opinion. Certainly different rules apply to the Square which is a conservation area. 'A' boards out on pavements can obstruct pavements, causing problems for blind people and mothers with pushchairs or wheelchairs. Traders who own their own pavements or roundabouts on a freehold basis are different.

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (4th Nov 2008 - 19:45:47) Barbara, That comment was also told to us at the parish meeting, that it was believed to be. When the Chairman of Station road retailers Association spoke to a representative of Sainsburys (one that attended last years meeting) to confirm a meeting due to be held soon, it transpired that they did not own it! Now somewhere there must be documents/deeds that can put this right one way or another! Strange though that the Village Tandori has had an advertising borad there - and not removed maybe selling indian takeaway is different from beer, fags and wine??!!

Re: Fuel Costs - Sue (4th Nov 2008 - 20:33:40) Barbara, I think in a roundabout way (oops!), you have explained why there are not masses of boards and advertising signs in the area to catch those shoppers here. It has to be done correctly, and there are allownaces made for one off events like the A & C society where it is acceptable, for general promotion of what Liphook has to offer across the board is not down to individual groups and shops, but a more 'professional' directive from a collective centre. The BIG in Grayshott and Haslemere Cof C does it very effectively. Somehow I seem to be at ground hog day!

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