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Bohunt pavilion planning app - Editor (15th Oct 2013 - 16:19:53) Bohunt Manor has raised it head above the parapet again ! This time to get planning permission for "New clubhouse pavilion, pedestrian/cycle link and revision to football pitch layout and associated landscaping." It can be found on the South Downs National Park website under the planning reference SDNP/13/04434/FUL. www.southdowns.gov.uk/planning Comments and objections, as always, direct to SDNP.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - liz (16th Oct 2013 - 09:10:10) After the planning permission for the football pitch this was inevitable. An attempt to get permission for yet another building on the site along with the so called 'community barn' so it becomes easier to pass it off as a brownfield rather than a greenfield development. A game of 'slowly, slowly, catchee monkey' that 'Green' village investments and their advisers are playing very well. Let's hope the SDNP can see through this. Does anyone know if anybody is using the 'community' allotments yet and, if so, how much they cost?

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - g renouf (16th Oct 2013 - 19:10:44) the allotments will be given over to bohunt school at some stage , but they could not say when at the meeting a couple of months back all a bit vague try contacting bohunt??

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - SOS Bohunt Manor (20th Oct 2013 - 10:53:01) Just a reminder that comments on the Planning Application for the new Sports Pavilion should be submitted by 4th November 2013. Full details can be found on the South Downs National Park web site www.southdowns.gov.uk/planning quoting reference SDNP/13/04434/FUL. For your information the plan dimensions of the building are 30.2 metres long X 10.6 metres wide with a ridge height of 7.0 metres approximately and a clock tower approximately 10.2 metres high It has been noted that in the HEADS OF TERMS regarding the Proposed Transfer of the Football Field to the Liphook United Football Club they must have the pitch laid out and clubhouse built and operating within 3 years from the date of transfer, or to have made a significant material start on the setting out and construction of the facilities. Failure of which would cause the property title to revert to GVI's ownership.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - SOS Bohunt Manor (22nd Oct 2013 - 11:17:13) If you log on to the South Downs National Park web site www.southdowns.gov.uk/planningplanning quoting reference SDNP/13/04434/FUL you will note that there have been a number of comments made about this planning application. Any further comments should be made before 4th November 2013.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Fred Powers (22nd Oct 2013 - 12:13:58) Yes please go on the site and register your positive comments on why it should go ahead and why it is needed. Fred Won't be many of them, I suspect.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - liz (22nd Oct 2013 - 13:23:27) If you support the application let's hope you have worked out who is going to pay for the pavilion!

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Roger Miller (22nd Oct 2013 - 13:28:39) I hope that the football club realise that:- • The vehicular access track road to the proposed pavilion would need to be robustly designed to a standard to accommodate coaches, delivery lorries, refuse trucks and tankers to collect the solid wastes from the sewage treatment assembly located under the proposed car park. • The substrate under the route of the road, as it approaches the football pitch area, is quite poor, thus the road designers will need to take this into account. • This road would need to be wide enough for two way traffic or be single track with passing places. • The road drainage will need to be designed to ensure rainwater run off does not pollute the nearby lake. • The football club will be responsible for constructing the acoustic bund and fence. These infrastructure costs together with the underground electrical services and IT connections will need to be funded by the football club in addition to the costs for constructing the Pavilion. In the Heads of Terms between GVI Ltd and LUFC it states that GVI will have the right to 'lift and shift' the route of the access at a later date to enable future development of the Bohunt Manor Frontage Land.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Editor (22nd Oct 2013 - 13:41:35) The slightly worrying bit is mentioned in the Officer correspondence of the 17th October The application will be dealt with and determined by East Hants District Council, acting as an agent for the South Downs National Park Authority (SDNPA), unless it is ‘called in’ by the SDNPA. Let's hope the SDNPA do 'call it in'.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Fred Powers (22nd Oct 2013 - 13:42:59) ED, So I guess you're not in support then! We will see if your suspicions come true. One Village! You are right Fred, I'm not in support of an application to build a large estate on the National Park when it is being disguised by offering sweeteners to Bohunt School and LUFC. If they went ahead it is very unlikely, in reality, that LUFC (or BLPC) could fund the huge costs involved. But getting things approved makes it easier for them to force the housing through.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Martin (22nd Oct 2013 - 15:28:09) Mr Editor As editor of this site is it not your role to facilitate the comments of the people of Liphook to allow for both sides of the topic to be aired. Currently all we are seeing at every opportunity is yourself trying to put a negative view on everything rather than be impartial which I feel should be your role. I am sure that the Football Club are very appreciative of some of the warnings that have been posted and will carry out due diligence in these areas. There are a lot of people within LUFC working very hard to try and bring improved community facilities to the village that will benefit the village long into the future. Let\'s get behind and support them. Regards Martin Hi Martin, I am a resident of Liphook and am fully entitled to post my views on this website.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Caroline (22nd Oct 2013 - 15:55:22) I'm in full support of this to be honest I have a son who plays for liphook and why wouldn't they be able to raise the funds if people actually took notice of the club they would realize that there's fund raising going on all the time as funds where raised to donate the peak center !!! Also with better facilities would u not agree that maybe more kids would get involved with the club maybe dorecting them off the street and away from the play parks ect if people stopped constantly looking at the negatives and maybe at the positives u would see this isn't such a bad thing and for the housing I hope it goes through as some people actually need housing we don't all have the funds to buy or rent privately sorry just airing my opinion

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Editor (22nd Oct 2013 - 16:08:09) Hi Caroline I believe the pitch / pavilion / road and infrastructure could cost up to £750,000 to build. Then of course there is the maintenance costs to take into account. What sort of fund raising events do you consider can raise that much in just 3 years ?

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Caroline (22nd Oct 2013 - 16:22:30) Ok obviously I didn't know it was going to be that expensive I was trying to get a point across that people need to stop being so negative because liphook is loosing its community spirit every new thing that comes into this village is always shut down instead of going to planning meetings and saying no how about the village puts there heads together and thinking something good for the community how can the community get involved and help raise funds maybe its just a thought and yes I know I'm going to be told its a silly idea ect it was just a thought there used to be a time when this village would rally together and get involved with things like this maybe I've just not grown with the times and community spirit no longer exists ???

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Deadly (22nd Oct 2013 - 16:34:09) Dear Editor, I'm a little confused, is it the housing that is worrying you, or are you worried that villagers are paying for all the development work? This is just the Football Club being allowed to play football on a piece of ground, with changing facilities, bar etc at the same location. It becomes fully and completely owned by the club, and therefore not available for development. There are no houses to be built period. The funding of the project is entirely down to the club, and they have a number of avenues for this, so I'd like to assure people they won't lose planting of any new marigolds around the village because funding is being taken away from other causes. Of course the club would seek some help from the Parish Council, it would be naive to think otherwise, but I feel the numbers you are bandying around are just scaremongering. To the villagers of Liphook; I understand not everybody will support the application, that's each individuals prerogative, but the facts are as basic as I've stated. It's a clubhouse and pitches!!! Pardon the club for trying to provide facilities for people to use. What's next villagers with torches on a march to rid Liphook of evil football clubs? Support it please is my request, but if you don't then so be it, but please desist from rabble rousing using information wholly irrelevant to the decision. See you at the carnival. If the club has already pursued funding avenues it must have a good idea of the amount of money required. Would be interesting to hear from them what their expectations are of the costs. I am not against Liphook getting a new football pitch, but I am against it being built on the South Downs National Park. The land for the pitch is purely being used as leverage to force planning permission for houses on land which should never have been sold (by WWF) in the first place.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Fred Powers (22nd Oct 2013 - 16:57:03) ED, As you stated you are not against a football pitch, which did get permission way before the boundaries of the national park were moved. Do you also not agree a football pitch is no good without changing facilities! This is all we are after nothing else. Fred The problem is the club only get the ground if the houses get permission, I believe. I don't think Liphook can have one without the other on the Bohunt Frontage Land. The plans put through for permission are obviously far more grandiose than the club needs.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - A. Ryan (22nd Oct 2013 - 17:03:29) I totally agree about the comments about impartiality. There always seems to be enough mud slinging about the Herald, yet it is happening on here. We seem to be ignoring the facts about what is best for Liphook. No we don't want more house here, but we are going to get them, we can not do much about it. So where do we put them. Some one somewhere will be unhappy at the decision, that is certain. Liphook has been growing at a steady rate for the last fifty years, and most people here are living in the product of that growth. Developers, we loathe them don't we, taking our countryside to build houses, probably to make a fast buck, but, hopefully for the local people. So, the question is, which plan is the best, and which is the worst. I do not know one developer from another, if others do, please enlighten us,especially as to the fowl deeds they have committed. Things are hotting up on the Chiltley Farm, as I spoke to a surveyor on the land on Saturday, so it seems like that is being pursued again. We do seem worried by the Bohunt development, yes it is in the National Park, but this land has mostly been used for arable farming over the years, and not an area that local residents have had access to. There are far more beautiful areas that do need to be preserved.. There now seems to be a few developers laying their cards on the table and we can not say no to everything, so we need to work out what is best for Liphook, as it is going to affect the generations to come and not just us. What do we need, and what do we want, to take us in to the future, I do so hope it is not just more housing. Well said. My issue with the Bohunt Frontage Land is that it was bequeathed to the World Wildlife Fund. They were not supposed to sell it. They will also benefit further if houses are built. See www.sosbohuntmanor.co.uk/news.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Caroline (22nd Oct 2013 - 17:09:11) I must be looking at the wrong planning permission as I can't see on the plans where it states there's housing plans to go with athe pavilion and pitches ?? "GVI will then give LUFC the land when planning permission has been granted for the remainder of the Frontage Land" - extract from GVI website.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Caroline (22nd Oct 2013 - 17:30:42) Thank you I was looking at the thread u posted at the top of the page ok so a new doctors surgery school ect 150 new homes and another possible comunity shop well 150 homes isn't so bad I for one need to move and I'm sure some of these other facility's could possibly provide more jobs for people in the comunity again is that a bad thing as idiots not houses lets face it it will just be another residential home which I'm sure liphook really needs !!! Look at the big picture and the houses are not being built by lufc so I can't see how stopping the pavilion is going to stop the houses Ehdc will just find another way round it

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Fred Powers (22nd Oct 2013 - 17:59:12) Ed, LUFC will be handed this land at no cost when planning permission for the Clubhouse only has been granted. No houses are involved. Sorry to disappoint.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Darren (22nd Oct 2013 - 18:00:05) In my humble opinion of all the various areas being put forward for development the land at Bohunt Manor is head and shoulders above them all as the most suitable. If Liphook can also benefit by getting sports pitches (Football and Cricket?? along with a new Pavillion), Health Centre (permission already granted) Relief Road (if GVI and Northcott Trust work together), Allotments and a School then there's no contest compared to building on the fringes of the village, which will only generate more car journeys through the village. I suggest people think hard about what is the best out of what might seem a bad bunch before making a knee jerk reaction to all planning applications. I for one would back the GVI and Northcott plans above any others, but of course some people might think me a in-comer as I've only lived here for 48 years! Hi Darren, there is no longer space for a cricket pitch. Remember only the land is given. Everything has to be funded and returns to GVI if conditions are not met.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Caroline (22nd Oct 2013 - 18:40:53) Sorry I'm not very clear but that's the point I'm trying to make stopping the pavilion isn't going to stop the houses so why stop the pavilion as the housing has nothing to do with lufc :)

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Nosey Rosie (22nd Oct 2013 - 20:17:24) Mr Editor I am not sure how you came to a figure of £750,000 for the development of a pitch and clubhouse for the Football Club but I would think that they would be most grateful if you could let them know how to get the work done for such a reasonable cost. A few seasons ago Liphook United played in the same league as Eversley, Both teams aspired to playing in a higher league but neither club had the facilities to allowed up to next level. Eversley were given land to develop and went about the task of raising the money, after a grant from the Football Foundation of £667,000 plus another £250,000 from fund raising and donations they now how one of the best grounds in the area, Not bad for a village a third of the size of Liphook. Yesterday the Football Foundation announced another \"Golden Pot \" of 102 Million pounds to be given to clubs around the country to help provide facilities for the development of youth football. So you can make £750,000 sound a huge amount of money and lead the local community on into thinking they have to pay for it, OR you can stay impartial and highlight the fact that the Football club are exploring every avenue to fund the scheme themselves. As a village we should be proud that we have nearly 300 Men,Ladies, Boys and Girls representing us around the County each weekend.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - liz (23rd Oct 2013 - 09:03:06) Whoever said that Liphook has been growing at a steady rate over the last 50 years is living in cloud cuckoo land. The rate of development has accelerated hugely in the last few years and has now reached a level which is putting local infrastructure under huge pressure. I don't think anyone is against a football field in principal but the assuming that the club can raise sufficient funds to cover the cost on the bund, pavillion, roads and associated facilties in three years is being totally unrealistic. Yes, they could be lucky but the odds are that the land will revert to GVI. The editor has a right to air his views, that's why we have 'editorials' in newspapers. What people don't like about the Herald is that it is not being open enough (if at all!) in its support for the developers. As for Martin, aren't you a representative of GVI?

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Chris (23rd Oct 2013 - 09:44:42) Liphook does need housing but at what cost? Traffic this morning on Portsmouth Road into the Square was backed up to Station Road but to top that, this weekend I went to Sainsburys but the car park was full, again, on my return one hour later there was parking. Let’s throw another 300+ families into the equation ? Always look on the bright side we might get a football pitch……Liphook deserves better and should get better.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Steve Davis (23rd Oct 2013 - 10:37:33) Having attended the open days at the Millennium Hall back in May, there was overwhelming support for the football club to move their ground to Bohunt Manor. However, 95% of those supporters were unhappy that housing needed to be agreed to allow this to happen. The landowner listened to these objections and so this obstacle has now been removed, there is no housing associated with this. If planning permission is granted, LUFC are given the land for FREE and have three years to develop the field into a playing area, clubhouse and access, sourcing most of the funding from the FA and many other foundations. If they do not, the land reverts back to where we are today i.e. nothing changes. The inference in some of the earlier posts not only highlights "housing" but also if LUFC don't get it done GVI get the land to build their houses on. It's not the case. So I urge the Editor to moderate any future posts to remove references to housing as being wholly irrelevant to this planning application. Thank you in advance for keeping it to the base facts.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - A. Ryan (23rd Oct 2013 - 11:19:56) Liz... Gunns Farm. The Avenue. Newtown. Manor Fields Tunbridge Crescent The Maltings. The Berg Estate All these have grown up in the last fifty years. This was the start of a massive growth in Liphook. Around a hundred years ago my great grandmother had one of the first houses built along the Haslemere road. There was a realisation by some, including Mary AnnRobb who bought the south part of Chiltlee Manor, that by having a railway station in the village would make land valuable in Liphook. This is even more the case with the Hindhead tunnel. Once the OSU had been sold it was only a matter of time until development started there, including a lot of fill in developments springing up. We can not fight the progress of more, I am afraid .Liphook has been earmarked for more housing so we need to get as much as we can out of any new development. As to why you think I am living on cloud cuckoo land I can not comprehend, far be it, am being a pragmatist in this debate.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - liz (23rd Oct 2013 - 11:53:56) I have just looked at the elevations for the proposed football pavilion. It looks like the proposed Gospel Hall development with a clock on!!

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - liz (23rd Oct 2013 - 12:23:26) A. Ryan I'm not debating the inevitability (so far) or reasons for what has happened. If you take your list of older developments (over many years) plus many you have missed they will be completely overshadowed by what has happened more recently (from which I mean the Sainsbury's/OSU site onwards) and what is in the pipeline i.e.permissioned. However that doesn't mean we all have to cave in and allow development to accelerate further.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - Antoinette (23rd Oct 2013 - 12:25:44) Taking everything into account from previous comments—almost all of which would like to see the Bohunt land used for community sports and leisure—the question as to whether the planning application is truly meant as an offer to help the LUFC get the field and clubhouse they deserve or whether it is just an opportunity for GVI to get another (think "medical centre") planning permission to build a large building within the SDNP. The proposed "clubhouse" is not in keeping with its rural surrounding and most likely much bigger and grander than the LUFC wanted or may want to pay for. This leaves the option of the GVI grabbing back the land very possible, should the LUFC not succeed in finding the necessary funds to complete the project in the time-frame involved. The additional obligation for the LUFC to build a road of great length across the whole of the two fields (crossing over the present drive to Bohunt Manor) should raise suspicion surely. If the position is to be advantageous for villagers to reach then it should be possible without adding more traffic to the already congested village square. GVI has been scarring this estate since the day it ripped out the trees and hedgerows on Portsmouth Road and the Bohunt drive (trees with TPOs and hedgerows with nesting birds and other small mammals). This new road and the inferred necessity to build a large roundabout will be another step for the developer to destroy the integrity of the rural setting, making it easier to declare it as "brownfield" in his future planning applications. If the intent of this "gift" is pure then it should be without the restrictions of palatial clubhouse and mega-road.

Re: Bohunt pavilion planning app - ellie (23rd Oct 2013 - 12:52:52) We are all forgetting that the land is in the SDNP which has it's own criteria for planning and development. Just because The Cox brothers wish to see a massive return on the paltry figure they paid for the land does not mean that development by the back door will be allowed. Which they are trying to achieve. No one denies that the football club needs better facilities but there are other sports which are enjoyed and if planning permission is given I think it should be stipulated that more sports than just football can use that land. In my opinion a specialist solicitor should be found on behalf of the football club before any agreement is signed. As previous people have pointed out, laying on all the facilities such as a cess pit, lighting, electricity roads etc will be huge. The car parking plans for 20 cars are woefully inadequate. There will also be the cost of trade waste pitch maintenance, new grass seed, equipment hire to turn it into a pitch, drainage cost of laying tarmac for parking, cost of maintaining a private road and grounds to a satisfactory standard etc etc. All that the Cox brothers are giving away is a piece of agricultural land presumably in area which is unsuitable for housing anyway. From memory they paid for the house and the land jointly and then did a land transfer with a value of the whole of the Bohunt land of £140K, allowing for inflation that makes it a very negligible gift of what 1-2 acres of land? And access rights across land thy will never own but have to pay to maintain In perpetuity whatever other development happens. If planning permission is given, get a solicitor Fred!

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