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New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Tracey H (14th Sep 2013 - 10:47:59) There is going to be a planning exhibition this TUESDAY 17th September at the Deer's Hut from 3.30 - 7.30pm. Developers are proposing new housing to the west of Liphook and a relief road round the back of Bohunt with a new access to the school. This is part of a pre-application process to receive comments. As we live on Longmoor Road we have had a flyer about this meeting, but we think that it has not been publicised very widely. Therefore PLEASE go along and have a look if you can. If not, the developers' email address is liphookinfo@peterbrett.com .

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - g renouf (14th Sep 2013 - 15:19:05) surprise surprise didnt take them long to get that one in!

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jane Ives (16th Sep 2013 - 13:36:28) Just wanted to bump this one back up. In light of the recent public consultation on Bohunt Manor and now this one, I hope anyone who wants a say in the future of our village should get along to this exhibition tomorrow evening.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jeanette Kirby (16th Sep 2013 - 14:38:49) Please be aware that developers are unlikely to record your comments, especially negative ones. Their focus will be on the number of people attending a presentation and then state that x number of residents showed an 'interest' in the proposal. Remember that none of the land within the National Park is included in any land approved by EHDC for housing. SDNP and EHDC have said they would not support housing on the National Park. Liphook has ample land within the settlement boundary to meet housing requirements. There are also applications in the pipeline for smaller housing projects which go a considerable way to meeting housing targets. As before, please let your Parish Councillors know your views.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - J Lansley (17th Sep 2013 - 22:24:56) Went along this afternoon to the exhibition out of morbid curiosity. It was in was in a marquee in the Deers Hut garden. There were some nice poster board maps of the proposed development adorning the walls, with friendly PeterBrett staff on hand to answer questions. In a nutshell the developers want to build all over the South Downs National Park to the south of Longmoor Rd, in a big triangle between Bohunt Manor, Bohunt school and the Deers Hut. They propose building 2 access roads linking Longmoor Rd to the Portsmouth road, to "ease congestion". The fact the congestion will be mostly created by the building of the new houses is an irony lost on the developers! A questionnaire was provided on a range of development related items; there was the option to disagree with the statements provided in the first section, but subsequent parts were very leading down the path of all development is good- the only choice available being to rank how much you liked the development options in order 1-8. I abstained from most of it. The mood of the attendees I spoke to were wholly negative; it will be interesting to see how Peter Brett spin it.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jane Ives (18th Sep 2013 - 08:34:57) Interesting proposal put forward by Peter Brett Associates who seemed woefully uninformed - two of their representatives fobbed me off when I asked them some searching questions. Basically, they are putting a toe in the water to test out our feelings but as the previous poster said their questionnaire was very biased. They are talking about 50-150 new houses with a piece of land for Bohunt School to do what they want with. The problem with this proposed site is it cuts out yet another beautiful vista across open countryside. For those living on Longmoor Road from Bohunt School down to the nasty bend, you will lose your views under this proposal. The developers are working with GVI (the Bohunt Manor developers) to agree a new road, but this road cuts across the South Downs National Park. There is no planned development on one side of this road and when I asked whether Mr Northcott, the landowner, was likely to sell this land too, the very naive answer I got was probably not as he likes to hunt there! The proposal takes away some of our piece of the National Park and the offset for this is to give back a chunk of land which lies mostly on the other side of Longmoor Road next to the A3...I personally don't feel this is good compensation! The roundabout which is planned for Longmoor Road for the Lowsley Farm development is going to get much bigger under this scheme. If you drive down Longmoor Road now and go past a house on the left habd side called Westlands you will see a track has already been dug through where the new road would appear. We all know that Liphook has to grow but we, as residents, need to get interested and take part in the debate about where this housing should go.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Debbie Wingfield (18th Sep 2013 - 09:35:38) Dear Jeanette I was told last night that 175 more houses were required in Liphook. Is this the correct. You have said that Liphook 'has ample land within the settlement boundary to meet housing requirements' though I am not sure where this land is and perhaps, out of interest you could answer this for me. You have also said that 'there are also applications in the pipeline for smaller housing projects which go a considerable way to meeting housing targets' Do these smaller housing projects then make up the 175 houses we are told are needed, or how many exactly , in quantity, do the smaller projects make up. I would also be interested to know where these smaller projects are located Thanks and I think that you do great work Debbie

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Yessam (18th Sep 2013 - 16:16:49) Re small developments Perhaps one is the proposal by Helical to build another care home and 40 more cottages for old people off Hewshott Lane as an extension they say of the present village which nobody wants There are enough old people and care homes already in Liphook. Hewshott lane was found to be dangerous when people tried to use it when Liphook village centre was closed recently. Greedy folk from outside are gradually ruining our environment and eating up every green space under the excuse of development

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - lynn (19th Sep 2013 - 12:42:55) I live at Griggs Green and didn't receive a leaflet about this meeting. How disappointing ! Lynn Griggs Green.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Debbie Wingfield (19th Sep 2013 - 13:13:07) Dear Jeanette Sorry to push you on this but it would be appreciated if you could post an answer to my questions above which I sent in yesterday. I see that there is news about this now in today's Herald. I notice the entry just above from Yessum referring to the 40 cottages at Hewshott Lane. You said that there were a lot of smaller applications in the pipeline to meet the 175 houses that are apparently needed in the village and because of this we should not have to accept the houses Peter Brett has proposed - I think that is what you are saying. Did you include the 40 Hewshott houses in your equation of smaller applications in the pipeline and if you did, it must then imply that you support these 40 houses. Am I correct Jeanette This is also confusing because I thought the rest of the parish councillors were opposed to the 40 houses at Hewshott land Hopefully you could let us know in reference to my earlier questions to you yesterday about where the other sites in the village are etc and this question about the 40 houses. Hope to hear back from you Debbie

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Dawn Hoskins (19th Sep 2013 - 14:55:47) You can easily see how many houses are planned for which plots etc by looking at the meeting minutes of the planning committee. These are done on a monthly basis and normally note whether the Parish Council approved or Objected and what the EHDC decision is. < ahref="http://bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/meetings/planning-committee" target=new>bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/meetings/planning-committee Some clever person with time on their hands could add up all the little ones to the medium sized ones and come to an exact figure...although of course if they get permission for 10 they usually go on to build 30!

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Debbie Wingfield (19th Sep 2013 - 16:08:51) Dear Dawn Sorry I just do not understand, this is getting more confusing and it would be nice if Jeanette answered. Dear Jeanette Please let us have answers in simple terms that I can understand because this is now starting to concern me where exactly the houses are being built. I think that I asked you 5 questions: 1. Are there to be 175 houses built in Liphook as Peter Brett says. You say there is ample land within the settlement boundary to build these 175 houses 2. What is the settlement boundary 3. Where in the settlement boundary would these houses go. You say that there are applications in the pipeline, smaller projects, which go a considerable way to meeting these housing targets, presumably the 175 mentioned. 4. Where are these smaller projects. 5. What numbers are we taking about, do they come close to the 175 mentioned. 6. Do you support the proposals for 40 houses in Hewshott Lane 7. Is Hewshott lane within the Park 8. When and where did the SDNP and EHDC say that they would not support housing in the National Park, as you have said. Evidence please. Jeanette, you have made these statements, just please give us a straight answer with reference to the relevant documents etc. You are a parish councillor and you have made these statements, so now please have the courtesy to just answer. No waffle please. I am not saying that I am against housing, but I am fed up with officials or politicians, if you like, just making stuff up and fobbing us off . Jeanette, straight answers now, no waffle. Thank you Debbie apologies I see 8. questions.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Debbie Wingfield (19th Sep 2013 - 17:33:37) Dawn, I now see that you too are a parish councillor and frankly I find your response fatuous. If Jeanette, another parish councillor, makes a statement, then one would assume that she knows what she is talking about and is basing her statements on true facts and I have no doubt that this is the case and reserve my judgement for the time being. For you to simply direct us to minutes expecting us trawl through masses of entries to get the answer fro ourselves is frankly not vey professional - though I acknowledge that you did not make the statements in the first case, but you did choose to make a statement in response. Also to say, I quote, if they get permission for 10 (houses) they go on to build 30! is unprofessional and it concerns me that as a parish councillor you make statements like this without thinking. My gripe is with the number of houses cramped into Lowsley Farm as we hear, from neighbours and others, that more are planned here. This is nort acceptable and I do not see why they could not spread them about to Hewshott lane, for instance. For your information I agree with building at the Peter Brett land as it is does not cramp in on the housing to the north east of Longmoor Road. This way we all have space to breath and more green areas without all the traffic rat-running through our estates. That's my point of view and others will differ. It does not change my point that your response was not befitting that of a parish councillor. I repeat it was factious, childish and unprofessional.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Kat (19th Sep 2013 - 18:17:25) Debbie I agree with you. I cant find the information Dawn Hoskins refers to in the minutes of the Parish Council planning committee on their website. Probably one of their secret meetings. Be prepared for a fob off because you are asking searching but relevant questions. Questions were asked of Jeanette Kirby and others about the allotments on the Bohunt Manor land and answers were not provided.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Dawn Hoskins (19th Sep 2013 - 23:21:11) I wasn't responding or replying to a post, I was adding a link to the planning page so people who are interested can look at planning applications.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jeanette Kirby (20th Sep 2013 - 00:52:49) Debbie has asked for information about planning issues in Liphook. These are some of the relevant ones and readers will have to look further for greater detail. 1. The SHLAA sites (both included and excluded) for Liphook can be seen on the EHDC planning website under Planning Policy. A map is available at the Parish office which shows settlement boundaries and sites of current planning permissions. Maps are also available on-line on the EHDC website. 2. There are 3 sites in the SDNP between the Longmoor Road and Portsmouth Road which are listed as excluded in the SHLAA. The reference numbers are LIP021, LIP001-4 and LIP028. These were excluded even before the National Park was established. 3. Extract from National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) Circular 2010 states that National Parks have the highest status of protection. Great weight should be given to conserving landscape and scenic beauty. 4. Extract from EHDC planning policies states that planning permission should be refused for major developments in these designated areas. 5. The SDNPA Planning Policy response, SDNPA landscape consultation response, Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council comments and the SDNPA officer pre-application response can be found on the SDNP planning website under reference SDNPA/13/02104/PRE, in the documents section. These are indicative of the likely response to any speculative major planning applications in this corner of the National Park. 7. Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council is a consultee in planning applications, the final decision on planning applications lies with either the SDNP or EHDC as the planning authority for the district. 8. Should approval for additional homes be given to Bramshott Place Retirement Village I understand these would be included in the housing allocation for Liphook.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - bdavies (20th Sep 2013 - 07:43:04) ...and speculative sums up this latest attempt to ruin the SDNP area of Liphook with an addition to our fair share of housing allocation. Peter Brett is another out of town property consulting firm that has no interest whatsoever in Liphook other than as a potential earner for them and whoever owns the land.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Debbie (20th Sep 2013 - 08:00:20) Jeanette This is absolutely pathetic. You have not answered a single question, simply directed us to other websites and links. This is just avoidance either because you cannot be bothered to look up the answers, or more likely because you just do not understand what is going on, and I say this because it would have been just as easy to have answered the questions - providing simply facts or statistics, as it would have been checking out the website links and typing these up. How can you you make decisions as a parish councillor which affect our lives if, as it appears, you do not understand what is going on. I suspect that you are out of your depth. Your side stepping answers worthy of a Westminster politician, and God help you if Jeremy Paxman ever got hold of you. When exactly do you come up for re-election DW

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Chris (20th Sep 2013 - 09:49:43) I agree with Debbie. Housing, housing, housing, that is all I see happening in Liphook……how many times have I gone to Sainsbury’s and the parking lot was full? How many more families and cars are we going to stuff into Liphook? Yes, we need more housing in Hampshire but we also need a quality of life for those who already live here and throwing more housing/cars/people on top of an already crowded environment isn’t going to achieve anything other than the developers making more money. If I wanted to live in the “rat race” I would move to London. Liphook deserves better and should get better!

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jeanette Kirby (20th Sep 2013 - 10:10:22) I restricted my previous post to facts. Legal facts contained in the NPPF. Policies contained in EHDC and SDNP documents. Professional responses to planning applications. I was asked where the settlement boundary was and provided a website link for those who are computer literate and the location of an actual map, accessible to all residents. The map contains not only the settlement boundary but also the location of those sites which EHDC have stated they consider suitable for housing. Describing where a settlement boundary is is not the easiest thing to do, a visual representation is makes it clear. I was asked for evidence that SDNP would not support housing development in Liphook's section of the National Park and provided a number of examples. It is those sites in the parish which have already been assessed by EHDC as suitable for housing development which will be given priority over any other speculative proposals. Additional windfall sites such as the 13 houses to the rear of 14 London Road can also count towards housing numbers. I suspect residents would prefer small scale developments to large scale housing estates. Perhaps the answers were not what some wanted to hear but nevertheless that information is in the public domain.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - kay (20th Sep 2013 - 10:52:32) Dear Debbie In reply to your 5 questions 1- 175 houses will be built they will be phased in with planning permission,check planning applications in the herald each week 2- The settlement boundary can be found if you google it there is also a map of the national park for most of liphook its outside. 3- The houses will go where planning permission has been granted.They can't be built without permission or go to the pre-plan shows ie The deers hut on Tuesday 4- The smaller projects are all over liphook they are in the local herald every week and posted on ehdc website. 5- no Hewshott is not in the national park you can look this up on the boundary park map easy to google. 6- proof of council comments -look them up the minutes to all meetings are clearly posted on the parish council site I only new there was one when looking up for your answers good luck reading it all. I also found this on the SHLAA (strategic housing land availability assessment within liphook) Included is- -land south of a3 -land at headley road -land at chitley farm 63 chiltley lane -land at church road bramshot -land east of bramshot place Excluded sites -the square -the Spaniard -land west of hollycombe There are a further 14 sites listed all with map reference on the www.easthants.gov.uk website. Instead of bombarding your local councillor with simple questions take the time to look the information up its all readily available. Jeanette has a full time job and does not have time to answer your questions the day after you post. Have some patience.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - tony (20th Sep 2013 - 12:17:02) I don't want to see hundreds of new houses being allocated to Liphook every few years just because the cities are now full to bursting. But if we've got no choice, can we please at least have some joined up thinking. How about a vote on what people actually want built here. I suppose Liphook hasn't got much hope of remaining a quiet village now that it's been nationally earmarked as a growth town due to the tunnel, station etc. A bypass for the square maybe. Or how about a sixth form college, a cinema, swimming pool, restaurants, better car parking, cycle routes, bus routes that sort of thing. Instead of just cramming in hundreds of more Barratts style shoe boxes into an already creaking road system. That's the lazy and greedy option. Otherwise we could just become another Leigh Park style sprawl with no silver lining.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jeanette Kirby (20th Sep 2013 - 13:00:49) Whoa slow down Tony, you'll have the residents scared witless! Liphook hasn't been labelled a growth town, it is merely designated a District Centre. This is because it has a wide range of facilities to meet the basic everyday needs of people in this parish and those in the smaller hamlets and villages around us. This includes Sainsbury's, a mainline railway station, doctors, dentists, hairdressers, restaurants, schools, electrical, plumbing and hardware suppliers etc. Lots of villages and towns in the East hampshire district have been allocated extra housing. Horndean is also designated a district centre and their housing allocation is larger than Liphook's. If the Joint Core Strategy is accepted by the government inspector it means that our housing requirement is filled up until 2028, another 15 years. Perhaps that will give us the breathing space to get a few of the infrastructure problems sorted out.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - tony (20th Sep 2013 - 13:54:20) Jeannette, thanks for your reply. Informing me that Liphook is 'merely designated a District Centre' is both helpful (I'd never heard of such a thing) and in a way confirms my fears. To be equated with Horndean in terms of growth (more or less) is probably not good news. But as you probably realise, the time for any leverage (if indeed we ever get any leverage) is before planning permission is granted. Waiting for this quota of houses to be built and then hoping we will have time on our hands before the next assault in 2026 is probably going to leave our hand weaker. The big question has to be, do we really get a say or does big government overrule us anyway? (a show of democracy without letting peoples views get in the way) If yes, then the time to insist, demand and be heard is now, if not, then why bother? Short of handcuffing ourselves to the diggers, it's all a bit of a charade democratic process. And I'm not sure Liphookonians are the street protest type (that's meant as a compliment). I guess the developers have figured that too, that's what makes Liphook such a prize for them. Basically it's a nice village and the developers have set their sights on it. We need to defend it. I hope our councillors are 100% committed to that fight.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Chris (20th Sep 2013 - 14:07:58) well said Tony (again) Liphook deserves better and should get better!

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - ellie (20th Sep 2013 - 16:12:26) I understand Debbie that you are the manager of the Deers hut? and would seem to have ulterior/vested motives for knocking Jeanette,and Kat also seems very hostile. The housing numbers allocated for Liphook are not dreamt up at local level, we have a District Council for that! . It is clear that the applications are all speculative at the moment and perhaps if we shout loudly enough at the right people who are deciding these things perhaps we may pull in the reins of development.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Andy (20th Sep 2013 - 16:32:03) It'll all come down to money, in the end.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jon P (20th Sep 2013 - 18:27:55) ellie- You are incorrect. The Debbie posting on this thread has no connection with The Deers Hut.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - H (20th Sep 2013 - 19:12:34) Yes Liphook may have Sainsburys, Schools, Doctors, Dentists etc etc, but they are full to bursting point. Have you tried to get an appointment at the doctors only to be told they have nothing for 2 weeks. More housing = more people = no room anywhere.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Tinker Bell (21st Sep 2013 - 12:51:13) Dear All, I hope you have also noticed that Debbie and Kat have posted rather unpleasant comments about the ladies from the Parrish Council who are trying to keep us informed—more objectively than the Liphook Herald does, which can be less than "clear" in its reporting of events—e.g., about the number of residents who came to the July meeting about Bohunt Manor at the Millenium Hall. Or, wouldn't you agree with me, Kat? In addition to everything mentioned in the previous posts, there is also the opportunity to write a Neighbourhood Plan. This would set down the wishes of the Bramshott & Liphook Parish in respect to where they want the future development to be carried out. After a referendum on the choices, this becomes a legal document. But as to Debbie and Kat's input on this thread, on a scale of one to ten fairy foot stamps, for their destructive and rude comments, they get the full ten from me !!!!!!!!!! A Very Annoyed Tink

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Kat (21st Sep 2013 - 14:52:09) Tinker Bell Meow, am I ruffling a few whiskers? I am sorry you do not like my post. You are welcome to your opinion about who keeps you better informed. The Council have lots of behind closed doors secret meetings or whatever you want to call them. The information that Dawn Hoskins talked about is not on their website, and I cannot find any EHDC decisions. Jeannette Kirby and others have not provided the answers to how much the allotments were going to cost. Might I suggest you go back to the milk bowl and chill out for a bit. A contented, purring, Kit E Kat

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Keith (21st Sep 2013 - 19:23:29) Just to clarify - any developments which ALREADY have planning permission DO NOT count towards the 175 extra houses proposed in the joint core strategy which is planned to take EHDC/SDNP forward to 2028. Nor do places in rest homes, but individual retirement properties will count. The information available on the EHDC website shows that the total houses either already built and/or given approval in Liphook is currently 624. The joint core strategy proposes 175 extra homes to be built in Liphook taking the total for the period 2011-2028 to 799. If you have concerns about the proposal for an extra 175 homes there are three things you can do:- 1. Put pressure on your parish councillors to attend the public hearing of the joint core strategy, to be held by the Planning Inspector at Penns Place from 29th-31st October. At the last hearing precious few East Hampshire parishes/towns were represented, with only Liss, Bordon and Petersfield being represented at many of the sessions. 2. Attend the public hearing yourself. 3. Get together with the Parish Council to create a Neighbourhood Plan. While the Neighbourhood Plan cannot dictate number of houses, it can dictate where those houses should be built within Liphook. The Neighbourhood Plan must be led by the Parish Council but must also include non-parish councillors on it's committee, so maybe some who are vocal on this thread should offer their services to the committee. It should be remembered that until the Joint Core Strategy is endorsed by the Inspector, the figure of 175 is simply best guess, it may decrease or increase if he/she considers it too high or too low. See www.liphookplan.co.uk for the local plan

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Phil (22nd Sep 2013 - 09:39:45) Could the Parish Council take on board the growing feeling that every entity should defend against uncontained housing growth? The PC need to keep this as the highest priority, and as a standing item on their agendas. It is probably worth a public consultation as a matter of urgency. Can they release a statement supporting village views that we don't support extra housing growth? That they want to protect specific green areas. And circulate that statement to all these consultancy companies pitching up asking our views? And then work to get HCC to either endorse this view, or to make their own county level statement protecting Liphook? As others have said, we need to turn views into action, and this seems like an excellent opportunity for an impartial PC to be actively seen to protect the clear views of the village.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Jeanette Kirby (22nd Sep 2013 - 12:09:09) It is a high priority that the Parish Council want to protect specific green areas. They held a public forum in July in which the overwhelming majority of those present declared they didn't want housing on the South Downs National Park land in Liphook. At that time it was when there was a proposal for development on Bohunt frontage land. An action group has been set up, led by residents and supported by the Parish Council. See the top of this page to see how you can get involved. The District Council and the South Downs Authority have said they would not support housing on this part of the National Park, but it needs action from residents to continue to show their opposition. Unfortunately this government is saying we can't say we don't want housing, but we can say where we do want it. Would residents get involved in a Neighbourhood Plan?

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - ellie (22nd Sep 2013 - 12:38:02) Dear Kat, I find your postings Catty yes, not purring but quite vindictive and always about the Parish Council. Have you written to them, presumably as a resident of Liphook giving your name and address so that they may reply to you? It is easy to put the knife in online, be brave and tell them in person. .

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Kat (22nd Sep 2013 - 18:39:24) Dear Ellie I'm sorry but I dont agree. Persistent in trying to get a very simple answer about the cost of the allotments which others have as well on this site. Also disappointed and somewhat frustrated, like others, that when one is told information is somewhere you cant find it, or it is not provided at all, or ignored. Anyway, thank you for your kind suggestion. Perhaps a Freedom of Information question is the way to go...purr...purr.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Gavin (22nd Sep 2013 - 21:00:26) When a Bypass is not a Bypass and a Relief road does not give relief..... Following on from the unwelcome Bohunt application comes an, equally unwelcome, \'Indicative proposal from the Brett/Foley Estate. An application to build 177 houses on the South side of the Longmoor Road, on the fertile arable land (see the current crop of maize) within the National Park boundary. The proposal offers a new road which, we are told, could link the Longmoor road with the Portsmouth road by way of a roundabout with Station road. What joy! Arriving at said new roundabout. What to do? Turn left back into Liphook square. Turn right toward Rake - why come up the Longmoor road in the first place. Straight on, Station road, T Junction on a hill by the Railway bridge, turn left back towards Liphook square, turn right to wiggle along narrow lanes to Haslemere or Midhurst. Those of us unlucky enough to use Station road, during the recent road closures, will know how limited that road is. To the south side of the Longmoor road, totally within the South Downs National Park, is the application for 177 houses. No mention of infrastructure, sewage or drainage; no offers for the community, no medical centre, no football field or junior school (unfunded) or public space. One exception, a small piece of land is identified, \'to be discussed with Bohunt school.\' Those with a nervous disposition may well be concerned by the proximity of the power lines and pylons that traverse these fields although such an irrelevance fails to attract any developers comment. Also, under the \'no comment \' section are the two roundabouts drawn onto the Longmoor Road, however inaccurately, which when viewed under the magnifying glass, unfortunately, obliterate 5 or more private dwellings. Visibility onto these roundabouts, I was assured, was 120 metres in each direction! What a pity it is that our Landowners, who were once were true \'Countrymen,\' who cared for and about, their villages, are no longer with us. Today, it is clearly opportunism to the fore and let the \'devil\' take the hindmost.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - ellie (23rd Sep 2013 - 12:06:35) I still contend that it is underhand to attack people Kat through this site without having to give your real name? You seem always to be pursuing an agenda. The District council are the ones you should be asking questions on re housing as they are the deciding forum for applications.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Kat (23rd Sep 2013 - 16:06:04) Ellie I particularly wanted an answer to my question about how much the developer wanted to charge the Parish Council not the District Council for the allotments which we still have no answer to. Sorry, but I am looking for answers to questions and will continue to do that until they are provided.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - ellie (23rd Sep 2013 - 18:58:54) This thread was about housing and yet it is now suddenly allotments? If I remember correctly the ownership of Bohunt has changed anyway now and how is a rejected offer from perhaps 2-3 years ago relevant to today? Have you asked Bohunt School about getting on the waiting list for the allotments they are possibly going to be managing? Is that why you are so desperate to find out this information from 2-3 years ago? I cannot think of any other reason. Please explain.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Nick Hancock (17th Oct 2013 - 20:40:44) I couldn't quite believe the headline in the Herald last week when they reported the landowner's consultants' "joy" (yes indeed "joy"!) at Liphook's reaction to their proposals to build a road across the National Park linking Portsmouth Road to Longmoor Road. I have just sent the letter below to the editor. Nothing new, but it's always worth airing the arguments again - let's see whether they are prepared to allow it to be debated ... I was more than a little surprised to read of the “joy” of the consultants employed by the Northcott Trust at the supposedly “positive” response to their consultation on its Griggs Green proposal (Liphook Herald 11th October). I don’t think that anyone that I spoke to when I visited the Trust’s exhibition was in favour of the plan. I fear that anyone who did express support for the survey has allowed themselves to be misled into thinking that a road between Portsmouth Road and Longmoor Road would relieve the traffic congestion in Liphook Square. It’s a repeat of the misguided support for the application for a doctor’s surgery and football ground at Bohunt Manor – which of course have not been built and were no more than a sweetener for the housing application which was to follow. The real purpose of the proposed road is to allow infill development between the new road and the village centre (a plan apparently once promoted by now departed members of the Parish Council). This would replace the remaining open land which still characterises the approaches to Liphook with estates of housing, indistinguishable from any other settlement in the area. The only traffic to benefit from the new road would be traffic from the Portsmouth Road, Rake and Petersfield. Traffic from the London and Headley Roads would be unaffected; traffic from the Haslemere Road and the Sainsbury’s estate wishing to use the new road would have to access it from Station Road – and during the recent road works we have seen how poorly that would cope. The Trust’s consultants suggested at the exhibition that they would seek to move the National Park boundary. Evidently they recognise that the proposal is incompatible with the Park. The value of this land to the Park was recognised following a lengthy debate and public enquiry. It cannot be in the interests of anyone other than the Trust to reopen it.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - ellie (18th Oct 2013 - 10:00:01) The sdnp will not redesign the boundary of the Park just to please developers.

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Roger Miller (18th Oct 2013 - 10:00:47) I attended the exhibition on 17th September and thought the questionnaire did not give the opportunity for a detailed response. Therefore I sent the following note to Peter Brett Associates:- To Peter Brett Associates Thank you for holding the exhibition at the Deers Hut on Tuesday 17th September 2013 indicating your proposal to develop land to the west of Liphook. I have refrained from completing the questionnaire tabled at the exhibition as the opportunity to expand on my views is not possible on the form provided. Therefore I have scheduled below my observations using the list on the form as a guide for ease of reference. 1. New Homes are needed in Liphook to meet housing demand? There is already approval for in excess of 400 homes within the settlement boundary of Liphook. There is no current need for further permissions to be given in the future. When there is a need there are areas of land still available within the settlement area without the need to encroach into the South Downs National Park [SDNP] 2. More affordable housing for young families is needed in Liphook The planning approvals already given include affordable housing 3. More housing to meet the needs of the elderly is needed in Liphook The planning approvals already given include housing for elderly people. Of special note is the current development at the old King George V site on the Hewshott Lane, Liphook 4. A strategic approach to meeting housing demand is preferable to meeting provision in a piecemeal manner Having a strategy is always preferable to a piecemeal approach. The only relevant strategy to this proposal is to complement traffic management with the proposed development on the Bohunt Manor site. Community objection to the Bohunt Manor development is on-going. The South Downs National Park Authority [SDNP] have already indicated there reservations on this scheme. 5. Provision of a relief road will improve current congestion in Liphook The proposal to provide a relief road, as indicated on the plans at the exhibition, will reduce traffic entering The Square from Portsmouth Road and from Longmoor Road. However the main traffic flow is along Headley Road and Haslemere Road. Therefore the provision of the proposed relief road cannot be fully justified. This is alluded to in your exhibition notification dated 10th September 2013 paragraph 5. 6. Provision of a secondary access from the relief road will help current traffic congestion in Liphook? This is correct albeit the congestion in Longmoor Road and the immediate feeder roads is for a limited time only at commencement and completion of the schools’ day during term time. 7. Development can be provided in a manner that both respects and enhances The National Park This is very subjective and the opinion of the SDNP will need to sought on this subject. However they have already expressed their views on this matter in response to the Pre-application for the Bohunt Manor development. 8. The current boundary of the National Park is drawn too tightly around Liphook making it hard for the village to expand naturally and appropriately? The boundary of the SDNP was finalised in June 2010 by order of the High Court. The boundary had been finalised following exhaustive consultation which included confirmation of Liphook’s settlement boundary. It is not appropriate to ‘unwind’ this consultation and adjust the boundaries on a ‘piecemeal’ basis where a strategic review has already been undertaken. One of the endearing features of Liphook is its defined boundaries with open countryside on all sides. The term ‘to expand naturally and appropriately’ is an expression that was taken into account when the Settlement Boundary was agreed. 9. It is preferable for residents and developers to find an acceptable solution to the west of Liphook that will provide wider benefits to the village? During the consultation period for the boundary of the SDNP and the agreement on the Settlement Boundary the needs for the overall development of Liphook were taken into account. The development to the west of Liphook was not deemed necessary. 10. If development is supported in this location, it must be legally tied to the provision of a range of agreed benefits? Could you please expand on the ‘agreed benefits’ that you anticipate, so that a considered response can be given? 11. Properly considered development can provide a more robust and defined and more rational National Park boundary, helping to reinforce its core principles whilst meeting local need for the next 15 to- 20 years It is my opinion that the boundary of the SDNP is both robust and rational. It reflects the views of the local residents and abides by the core principles of the National Park. Further Observations Access to the National park is already quite easy using the existing public footpaths, tracks and lanes. The area to the west of Frimstone, shown in yellow, as a ’quid pro quo’ extension of the SDNP boundary was presumably considered during the consultation period for the SDNP boundaries and inclusion of this area was not considered appropriate. I understand that the area of land for discussion with Bohunt School is already subject to a previous agreement for sale to Hampshire County Council [at Agricultural rates] should there be a future need for an extension to the school. The Liphook Infant and Junior Schools already have space available to expand to accommodate the pupils from the housing already approved and anticipated to be approved within the settlement boundary. I have not had a response from Peter Brett Associates

Re: New proposals - Planning exhibition TUESDAY 17th September - housing west of Liphook - Nick Hancock (18th Oct 2013 - 19:50:01) Good letter Roger! Can I suggest you also write to the editor of the Herald explaining why you weren't able to express your views on Peter Brett's questionnaire? The more that is done to correct the misleading impression in last week's paper the better. My suspicion is that the Herald is not so much biased as desperate for copy and prepared to print as much as the residents of Liphook supply them with.

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