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Old Thorns - new golf course - sjenner (24th Aug 2013 - 06:19:37) If anyone objected to application SDNP/12/01373/FUL (New Heathland golf course in the SDNP) then it has been re-requested via a new planning reference - SDNP/13/02300/FUL. I received a letter but the planning reference does not seem valid. Anyway, please object again: email: dcplanning@chichester.gov.uk Or write to: Chichester District Council East Pallant House East Pallant Chichester West Sussex PO19 1TY You have until 9th September.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Andy (24th Aug 2013 - 07:19:38) In the interest of fairness, don't just object because someone says you should. Look at the plans, see what you think and then offer any valid objections you may have. Make sure you know exactly where this course will be located before you comment, as it wasn't where I thought it would be initially, and read the detail in the plans.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Ian (24th Aug 2013 - 09:12:12) Hear Hear Andy!

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Keith (24th Aug 2013 - 09:55:02) The plans have been withdrawn from the planning system as there were some additional documents required to validate the application. The developers will no doubt provide the additional documents within the next week or two at which point the consultation will reopen. Unfortunately the letters were issued to nearby residents before validation had been completed and before the missing documents were identified.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Joe Public (24th Aug 2013 - 10:19:39) I had an email from The SDNP saying Old Thorns had not submitted a Environmental statement so was not published yet.Once this has been done, notices will be put up and just hope they stay there until a decision is made. I suspect only 4 weeks notice will be given to object but as Andy says, lets see what is proposed. It could be just a 'pitch and put' taking little of this area from Nature. Who knows as Old Thorns could actually care and surprise all of us.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - claire (24th Aug 2013 - 19:35:38) I think ( and I have no doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong!) that as the land is public access it will remain so even if the golf course goes ahead. I am sure that if I owned a piece of land I would want it to work for me and bring the associated dividends.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - rr (25th Aug 2013 - 20:59:04) yes the land will stay public access but only partially as the course want to have a warden to control people's access and dogs must stay on a lead, in other words they dont really want you there... A golf course isnt compatible with public access land lets be honest here... It wont really create any extra jobs as the complex is already up to capacity with one course and they only want it to bump off the corporate players.. Thats not even covering the fact the access goes through SSSI site with plenty of protected species that rely on that habitat staying as it is. The cost to the area far outweighs any benefits especially as its only an overflow course. I'm all for improving Liphook but not at this cost :(

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (14th Nov 2013 - 14:42:10) New notices have been put up today and clearly upsetting to see. What made matters worse is that there is hardly anyone on the existing course as it is clearly a bit chilly for them. Good job nature is not like this ! Please can everyone put their view in ASAP: planningpublicaccess.southdowns.gov.uk/... Reference is SDNP/13/02300/FUL Removal date is the 19th December.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Andy (14th Nov 2013 - 16:47:00) JP - Just to clarify you, golf is a seasonal sport and you will see many fewer golfers playing in the cold and wet of winter. Quite often, the course is closed and I understand that has been the case on a couple of occasions this week. In the summer months the current course is heavily booked and actually used much more than would be optimal to keep it in good condition.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Grant (14th Nov 2013 - 18:05:28) Regarding consultation periods, although the LA may state that comments must be submitted before a certain date this is not strictly true. Objections or supporting statements will be accepted upto 24hrs before an application is presented to the planning committee. I agree with the previous post, make your own judgement, to often members of the public just jump on the nimby bandwagon.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - bdavies (15th Nov 2013 - 15:01:31) I play golf, but have objected as we have enough golf courses in and around Liphook already. That is not being a NIMBY; just a desire to preserve the area for the majority who couldn't care less about golf and would prefer to see our rural surroundings preserved in their curent state not manicured for a few casual visitors.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - claire (16th Nov 2013 - 00:12:47) The position of the second course would lend itself to being used by the guests at Forestmere too, that would be brilliant for both businesses. I hope they would consider selling tee times to them to maximise course use.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (16th Nov 2013 - 15:53:50) I am just stunned at the lack of interest in this massive development application by Old Thorns. Does no one care in Liphook and surrounding area. Time is running out so don't moan after the decision is made.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Finchie (17th Nov 2013 - 09:11:14) Interesting ... Had a brief read of the application. Looks like people way more intelligent than me have objected .... "reduce the amenity value of this area for informal recreation on foot by the intrusion of highly visible alien features into a currently unspoiled vista". And people way more unlucky .... "One of my additional concerns is the safety of the public as my car has been hit twice when on Queens Road that passes through the existing course and also hit in my back by a golf ball but must admit not on Old Thorns Golf course. I clearly do not want this to happen again as I was knocked out for some time and the golfer ran away". Have to confess to being neutral. But what I would like to see, if this went ahead is the golf club - engage with all local schools and provide facilities free of charge and golf lessons - provide a youth development program at low cost, open to anyone interested in the local area. Can't help thinking this would be good for our youngsters. Encourage more outdoor activity. Great for hand eye coordination. (Better than the XBox !). Helps Old Thorns engage with the local community which I hear is lacking (however I've only had good experiences). Never know, those kids who have a great experience might join up later in life - how forward thinking is that !!!!! You never know, we might even create our own Tiger Woods (from a golfing perspective not an integrity perspective !!). Objectors better pull your finger out as the grand total of 4 isn't going to sway anyone ! Or perhaps it is representative of opinion ! Now where did I put my loud jumper and old golfing bats. Happy Weekend. Cheers, Finchie

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (17th Nov 2013 - 10:36:34) This is a serious business venture application and not a Pitch & Putt for Children wanting a Free lesson. This needs to be taken seriously if you care about your environment here in Liphook.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - rr (17th Nov 2013 - 16:58:04) We all know Old thorns wont give anything away, this course is only wanted as an overflow course and if you read across the internet the golfing community certainly dont like members of the public anywhere near their courses (i have read golfing forums regarding similar situations and the comments certainly arent favourable..) People will not be welcomed and most would rather go elsewhere than have a golf ball flying past their head so yet again we are losing an area of land for the minority to benefit (not even locals probably!!!!) I was walking there recently and it was the first place in many years i saw and heard a cuckoo...Besides the fact the area around the proposed course has some extremely rare animals residing there it really isnt a suitable location and some distance from old thorns itself. Old thorns is also at capacity regarding the rest of its facilities (parking, accommodation etc) i guess this will all be looked at and increased if more capacity for golfers is given with this course. Give it up Old Thorns.....

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Anthony (17th Nov 2013 - 18:56:07) With reference to JPs message ,it is not surprising that responses have been muted because the planning application's location is described as "Land north of Allington Cottage Langley Lane Langley Rogate West" In other words Old Thorns have tried to deceive local residents into thinking the proposed golf course is elsewhere!

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (18th Nov 2013 - 08:43:22) Good point Anthony. I am also concerned that the authorities involved in the last submission have not been notified so I have asked the SDNP to confirm. These clearly being in objection like the OSS and various wildlife/nature bodies. I think it also needs covering in the local papers as a feature so long as it is not biased as the profile of this needs raising.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Debbie (18th Nov 2013 - 10:14:07) And Anthony the name of the applicant has been put down as Roger Hill (who is their architect) not as Old Thorns so any body searching the South Downs / Chichester planning site and putting in OldThorns will get the message "No results found"

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (18th Nov 2013 - 11:45:51) Just so you know, the local Parish Council are meeting tonight and this topic will be covered. They also expect the local press to be there. Also the SDNP have just confirmed to me that 162 letters were sent out late last week to this who submitted comments last time so I hope they are all up for a re-submission as this is turning out to be an annual event for Old Thorns. Fingers crossed !

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (19th Nov 2013 - 15:00:56) I am very sorry to say that I have had an email from the Local Parish Council (BLPC) saying it was agreed NOT to object to this planning !. You can draw your own conclusion as to how this happened ...... I certainly have mine !

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Keith (21st Nov 2013 - 14:55:49) You may have seen in the local press, but just to confirm, Liss Parish Council will be considering this application at their planning meeting on Monday 2nd December at 7.30pm in Liss Village Hall Anyone with views (either for or against) is welcome to attend and have their say

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - liz (21st Nov 2013 - 17:13:53) I feel very, very let down by the PC for not objecting to this application. Let's hope Liss can do better.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - Derek (22nd Nov 2013 - 14:59:24) This proposed new golf course is nowhere near Liphook and as such wont impact on Liphook residents. It is in fact on the outskirts of Rake and to get there you will need to drive or walk a fair distance, why do dog walkers think they are the only people who should be using this land, is it there god given right to walk their dogs wherever they wish and if they are let off the lead they are probably causing more damage to the environment than golfers would. Yes I work at Old Thorns and have surveyed this piece of land on many occasions, you can count the walkers on one hand on any day of the week it's only when the golf course raises it's head above the parapet that all of a sudden three hundred or so dog walkers suddenly appear. This land was previously agricultural with cattle being the only inhabitants, the public paths would remain public paths and if you walk this land as much as I do you would see that wildlife is very limited. As Old Thorns Golf Course is open to the general public and is not a private Golf Club this would benefit the people of Liphook and the surrounding area's of East Hants.

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - JP (22nd Nov 2013 - 15:27:13) Just for clarity, bike riders, horse riders, walkers (with or without dogs) and many others including Forest Mere enjoy this area for it's views and unspoilt safe and peaceful land scape. Also Nature that has been here well before Liphook even existed has no say in this so it is down to people who care and must protect it from commercial selfish gains. It should not just be for golfers who want it for their personal part time entertainment where most do not even live here !!

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - liz (22nd Nov 2013 - 16:51:28) Derek It is a proposed blot on the lanscape on our beautiful surrounding area. I don't think the people of Rake would be very pleased with your comments!!

Re: Old Thorns - new golf course - dee (27th Nov 2013 - 11:15:17) I disagree with the comment earlier that the land has no wildlife value, in fact it is a designated site of Nature Conservation value and has a vast species list. It is also incorrect to refer to it as agricultural land, yes a previous owner obliterated the ecological interest and used it to graze a dairy herd for a few years, but after that was abandoned the land has been managed actively for the last few decades by commoners using their grazing rights, and it is this management that has achieved the current high bio diversity value. Unfortunately all developers know that by submitting vast amounts of information they can present a view of reality that is questionable and hardpressed council planning officials and members of committees, often cannot question every statement. Developers also know that they get what they want by degrees. Certainly there is no suggestion in the present proposal to curtail the public right of access, but what can be seen from reading information on the legal right of open access, is that once a golf course is in place, there will be the legal option of removing the right of open access. You only have to talk to those associated with other courses where there are simple rights of way across the course to know there are constant disputes and conflicts. The present owners bought this property with full knowledge of the status of the land and conservation value (and probably the price reflected that) and really should not be allowed to bully their way to achieving greater profitability at the expense of our heritage of common land that is undeveloped and open to all for quiet enjoyment. That right was hard won over many centuries. Other local owners of common land respect common land and its use by local inhabitants. Old Thorns should not present this land as derelict former agricultural land, this is not the case

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