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Cars driving on pavements - Andrew (10th Jul 2013 - 20:58:07) Twice today I experienced cars driving on the pavement in Headley Road, the first one driving towards me forcing me to take shelter in a driveway as it went past, the second car drove from Liphook Travel/Vets almost to the chip shop with two wheels on the pavement to avoid on coming cars that were passing parked cars. I know drivers find the cars parked on Headley Road annoying but that is no excuse for dangerous driving, pavements are for pedestrians!

Re: Cars driving on pavements - sb (11th Jul 2013 - 09:25:44) I drive or cycle into liphook everyday for work and sometime see this also! drivers seem to give no space to cyclist and no are seeming to do the same to pedestrians. next time take the reg number and report to the police or community support officers.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Andy (11th Jul 2013 - 12:51:34) People overtaking me on my scooter in the 20mph zone is a reasonably regular occurence in Liphook. Why? I'm doing road speed, not holding you up and you feel the need to do 35 to 40mph in a 20mph zone to get past me? Apart from the fact that I'll be past you again at the next junction, I will be reporting the next person to do this to the Police.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Richard (11th Jul 2013 - 17:36:57) Andy, Ride further out from the kerb. If you do not take control of the road space, car drivers will try and push past, regardless of the speed you are doing. If you are in the middle of the lane, cars will not try and push you in the gutter. Too many moped riders (and |I am not saying you are doing this) ride too close to the kerb and thus give car drivers opportunity to try and squeeze past. You pay your Road Fund License, use the road space you are entitled to.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Matt (11th Jul 2013 - 19:11:57) Also, I've heard and seen people riding motorbikes on pavements, now this is dangerous! Why if children cant ride bikes on the path would adults want to do this?

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Tina (11th Jul 2013 - 19:51:12) Nothing surprises me anymore. The driving in this village is unreal, everyone seems to be in a hurry. You have other villages who are run by the same council that have sleeping policeman, speed camera and policeman to help with traffic, we seem to get nothing. If I stick to the speed limits I am often overtaken or somebody sits so close I may as well be towing them. This morning my sister and I were trying to exit my drive along the Portsmouth road at about 7.45 and nearly got hit, as you can't see due to parking for the station, and of course traffic is not doing 30 entering or exiting Liphook. I have just looked up the price of parking at the station and I am shocked that it is only 3.50 , I am glad that my safety is at risk for the sake of this small saving. I have to pay this everyday where I work I have sent an email again to the council as all of our roads are suppose to be under review. I suggest we all start emailing the councils to get all this sorted out.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Andy (11th Jul 2013 - 21:54:37) Richard - Yep, I'm dominating my side of the road, these idiots are overtaking in a 20mph zone entirely on the wrong side of the road doing between 30 and 35mph at least. It was a red BMW the other day for what it's worth and prior to that, most recently, white van man. It doesn't seem to happen until I slow up for the 20mph zone which shows what little regard that is held in by many, although similar events do not seem to happen when I'm in my car. Perhaps they think I'm on a moped and can't do much over 30 (which is far from the case if you've ever ridden a modern 125) and use the 20mph zone to get past. That's no excuse though.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - jo herridge (11th Jul 2013 - 23:29:28) I had to call the school the other day due to a parent narrowly missing another parent by driving along the pavement as they were driving along avenue close. they were obviously in too much of a rush to wait. We are all busy and have somewhere to be but an extra few seconds is surely worth the wait as the alternative would be to knock someone down.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Richard (12th Jul 2013 - 08:18:56) Andy, It was only a thought. Move further out still maybe? Wobble a bit so they think you may fall off in front of them? As two wheeled users, both powered and unpowered we should not have to resort to these measures to stay safe

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Ian (16th Jul 2013 - 10:10:07) Predictably, the prevailing dangerous situation in Headley Road is deteriorating and thanks to Andrew for raising on this forum. It is only a matter of time before there is a serious accident given that pedestrians now have to leap for their lives to avoid these idiots! 8 months (yes - 8 months!) after another thread (Traffic Bedlam - Headley Road - (21st Nov 2012 10:31:37)), it seems that nothing has changed and that those with any potential influence have continued to stick their heads in the sand. Where is the community reassurance that this situation is being addressed? Apart from the cables laid recently to count traffic on all the approaches, I've seen no change and nothing to minimise risks. The Police cannot be in Headley Road 24/7, so enforcement is always going to be hit and miss or (regrettably) post-accident. Prevention is the issue here and always has been. If the parking was properly controlled in the first instance, gridlock, tailbacks, idiot stunt driving, and pedestrian athletics would be a thing of the past!

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Rob (16th Jul 2013 - 13:41:22) I agree that there is some dreadful driving in the village. I really think that there needs to be some sort of parking restriction in Headley Road though. To have one of the main roads into the village effectively single tracked because of parked cars is crazy. Lets not go down the route of sleeping policemen though, all they do is ruin your suspension and tyres, no matter how fast you go over them. Perhaps some of those light up signs might be an idea? Also maybe push the 20 limit out down Headley Road, or how about a pedestrian crossing at the roundabout at the end of Headley Road?

Re: Cars driving on pavements - tony (16th Jul 2013 - 14:18:54) If parked cars are slowing down the traffic and making people give way, that's inconvenient, but isn't it a type of 'traffic calming' by default? A typical traffic calming device (avoiding the destructive concrete lumps) is to install road narrowing kerbs with priority for one direction, like in Selbourne. The one on London Road mimics this but doesn't really work as it allows 2 cars to pass at the same time, somewhat defeating the purpose. The problem with Headley Road is that although parked cars narrow the road, this is ad hoc, so both directions consider they still have right of way and don't consider they are in a traffic calming zone. Maybe a solution would be to install proper width restrictions at the entry and exit of Headley Road, signed up telling the drivers which side needs to give way (typically the one entering the zone) and warning them that they are in a monitored built up zone with schools and children crossing, so as to reinforce the message. In fact this could be done on other roads around the village if there was support. It would be an inconvenience to some drivers but might enhance the village in other ways.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Andy (16th Jul 2013 - 15:04:07) Re. Headley Road - If the parked cars are on your side of the road then you DON'T have right of way. If you need to pull out into the opposite carriageway or lane to get past the parked cars, you DO NOT have right of way. I think most drivers know this but many get frustrated and are simply being impatient when they barge their way down Headley Road in the direction of the village when the right of way is not theirs.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Rob (16th Jul 2013 - 16:08:12) Spot on about the right of way. I suspect most people do know, they just choose to ignore the fact that they don't have right of way as they are "in a hurry". I agree proper chicane style width restrictions would be a good idea. I have 2 young children so I'm all in favour of better traffic management, but we have to also remember that we aren't in the middle of nowhere and people do need to use the roads, we just have to encourage people to drive more responsibly. It isn't like public transport is much of an option after all....

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Richard (16th Jul 2013 - 21:13:49) Thanks to the guy in a white van today, who after I had crossed on the crossing on Portsmouth road, chased me and my daughter towards the Newsagent, because he had to park on the pavement. In future I am taking a camera to bust them. It is hard enough getting a small child, on a bicycle, safely across the busy roads during school run time without such idiots. And while I am at it, thanks to the driver of the blue Audi A4 who parked on the crossing point and pavement on the Canadian Estate, and the Discovery owner who nearly blocked the pavement 50 yds away. Some of this parking is quite special. Maybe the way to put a stop to it is to get your 'phone out and take a picture. Send the picture to Hampshire Police. Eventually they will be forced to do something, even if it is from shame.

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Simon Coyte (16th Jul 2013 - 22:29:22) How about we all drive with consideration for others and according to the highway code, stick to speed limits,anticipate hazards and generally think ahead. a little courtesy goes along way and much cheaper than pinch points, sleeping policemen,or chicanes. Simon

Re: Cars driving on pavements - Richard (19th Jul 2013 - 09:17:49) As a counterpoint to my previous rant. A big Thank You to all the considerate drivers who stop and create gaps so I can get my daughter, on her bicycle, across the busy roads around the square. It helps a great deal and is very appreciated. Perhaps next academic year a few more people at the Infants school may try cycling in, as an alternative to the car...It is often quicker!

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